Why should there be “universal background checks” for firearms sales and transfers?

[Zincwarrior]

Specifically why and specifically how will it stop shootings of 4 or more people in one incident?

Walk us through….specifically.

Yes. It would help reduce mundane criminals getting access and straw purchasers..

 

[Concerned American]

If someone can't buy the gun, they can't shoot people...

Naw, they can blow them up with a pressure cooker and nuts and bolts or better yet a rental truck filled with diesel and fertilizer. Wake up, fuck stick.

 

[Mac-7]

It makes it harder to get a gun. That is progress.

Yes, harder for qualified gun owners who have not done anything wrong

 

[Concerned American]

We don't know how many shootings have occurred by someone with one of those guns

Seems to me that every mass shooting I've heard of in recent years has been committed by a person who legally purchased the firearm or stolen from someone who had. Now, the gang shootings in Chicago that are rampant, are another story. Can't say that I've heard that they have recovered any of those firearms.

 

[progressive hunter]

So - nobody has a valid reason not to pass a federal UBC law, or at least I haven't seen one. We don't know how many guns have been bought at a gun show from a non-FFL seller where no BC was done, but I guess that's okay. We don't know how many shootings have occurred by someone with one of those guns, not just a mass shooting but any shooting. We don't know that, but I guess that's okay. And until such a federal UBC law is passed we don't know how many people will be shot in the future as a result, but I guess that's okay too.

Would any law-abiding citizen be denied his/her 2nd Amendment rights? NO. They gotta pass a BC anyway to buy a gun at a store that sells them or online, or even from an FFL vender at a gun show.

But who does get denied their 2nd Amendment rights? The people who can't pass a BC. Maybe they'll get a gun some other way, by stealing one or buying one on the street or through a 3rd party that can pass the BC. That UBC law wouldn't be perfect, right? All it does is close off one avenue to acquire a gun, and IMHO that is not a bad thing. And the thing is this, how is anyone else harmed? It's no skin off my ass, right? Or yours, so where's the beef?

With that, I'm done here. Have a nice day.

we've given you several reasons,, just because you reject them doesnt mean they would or wouldnt work any better than your idea thats already been proven to fail,,

 

[Concerned American]

Yes. It would help reduce mundane criminals getting access and straw purchasers..

Would you be so kind as to show me which of these mass shooters purchased the gun illegally? Kind of shoots a hole in that whole argument.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Would you be so kind as to show me which of these mass shooters purchased the gun illegally? Kind of shoots a hole in that whole argument.

You mean like ALL the mass shootings in Chicago???

 

[Concerned American]

You mean like ALL the mass shootings in Chicago???

Have they recovered those weapons? How do you know they were not acquired legally--not that I believe they were. However, I would not be surprised that they were not straw purchases either--more likely stolen.

 

[candycorn]

When guns are gone, somebody will come up with an alternative......humans are very ingenious.

Klebold and Harris had multiple explosive devices that didn't go off. Why? Because we don't have bombing ranges (yet) to where gun/bomb nuts can perfect their technique as we have with gun ranges.

Colorado News and Denver News: The Denver Post

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So again, a gun nut without a gun is less deadly than a gun nut with a bomb. For the time being.

 

[candycorn]

But they indeed do buy guns. There is no way to stop people from selling guns to other people. It's impossible to have a "universal" background check. You think criminals follow the law, they don't.

Yeah we should get rid of all laws since criminals don't follow them. Library fines too.

 

[candycorn]

Yes, harder for qualified gun owners who have not done anything wrong

so?

 

[Slade3200]

If someone can't buy a gun, they most likely know it and will not try to buy one.

They will steal one.

If they can’t buy a gun and decide to steal one then that is a barrier that could lead to them getting caught and arrested for theft vs. murder. How great would that be?!

 

[task0778]

we've given you several reasons,, just because you reject them doesnt mean they would or wouldnt work any better than your idea thats already been proven to fail,,

I did not see any cogent reason that explains any rationale at all for why UBC laws would infringe on any law-abiding citizen's 2nd Amendment rights. At all. Nor did any response in this thread prove that UBCs are fruitless, not just for mass shootings but for every shooting in this country. There's no way to know how many illegally bought guns were acquired in a gun show from a non-FFL seller. And there's no way to know how many people have been shot by one of these guns. Or will be shot by one of these guns in the future because the UBC law doesn't exist.

So why don't we do this? Damned if I know.

 

[progressive hunter]

I did not see any cogent reason that explains any rationale at all for why UBC laws would infringe on any law-abiding citizen's 2nd Amendment rights. At all. Nor did any response in this thread prove that UBCs are fruitless, not just for mass shootings but for every shooting in this country. There's no way to know how many illegally bought guns were acquired in a gun show from a non-FFL seller. And there's no way to know how many people have been shot by one of these guns. Or will be shot by one of these guns in the future because the UBC law doesn't exist.

So why don't we do this? Damned if I know.

thanks for your opinion,,
have a nice day,,

 

[progressive hunter]

 

[progressive hunter]

 

[Mac-7]

so?

From a gungrabber’s point of view?

It does not matter to you but it does matter to millions of advocates of the Constitution

 

[LordBrownTrout]

If someone can't buy the gun, they can't shoot people...

Thats stupid. As if this deters criminals. Lol.

 

[Delldude]

What you leave out is that many guns are sold at gun shows by private individuals nut subject to background checks

What you leave out is private individuals are permitted to sell their guns,on occasion, to private buyers.
They can not set up a kiosk and make a weekly living selling guns w/o a license.

 

[Lesh]

They can not set up a kiosk and make a weekly living selling guns w/o a license.

They pretty much can. What's to stop them?