Why stop at free college?

[NYcarbineer]

I suppose I get paid back all the money I PAID to put my kids through college?

My husband and I paid our loans off, we started saving for our children's college before they were even born. I have no desire to pay for some deadbeat's

Every fucking USMB nutbag is an regular American success story. Why the hell are they all so miserable?

Well, in fairness, it's not like they only pick on poor people when they're complaining about their taxes.

When's the last time you heard someone like Sassy say she'd be willing to have her taxes raised to pay for all the defense spending and warmongering that's adding to our national debt?

These RWnuts are bigger freeloaders than the poor.

If that's all my taxes had to pay for, the government could cut my taxes by 80%.

Since you don't want a national government, period, who are you to demand national defense taxes?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

 

[bripat9643]

I suppose I get paid back all the money I PAID to put my kids through college?

My husband and I paid our loans off, we started saving for our children's college before they were even born. I have no desire to pay for some deadbeat's

I know what you mean there. I paid for my three children's college. Why should we pay for someone else's kid's college?

When you make my taxes that go to our bloated military and useless foreign wars voluntary, I'll make your taxes that go to education voluntary.

If you include all the taxes that go to liberal social programs, that's a deal, but I doubt any of you leftwing turds are willing to give taxpayers a choice as to which programs their taxes fund. That's the last thing you want.

You can't have a government with voluntary taxes. You want chaos.

Well, it's certainly true that you couldn't have a vast kleptocrat welfare state like the one we have without taxes. However, you could have a constitutional government.

 

[bripat9643]

I suppose I get paid back all the money I PAID to put my kids through college?

My husband and I paid our loans off, we started saving for our children's college before they were even born. I have no desire to pay for some deadbeat's

Every fucking USMB nutbag is an regular American success story. Why the hell are they all so miserable?

Well, in fairness, it's not like they only pick on poor people when they're complaining about their taxes.

When's the last time you heard someone like Sassy say she'd be willing to have her taxes raised to pay for all the defense spending and warmongering that's adding to our national debt?

These RWnuts are bigger freeloaders than the poor.

If that's all my taxes had to pay for, the government could cut my taxes by 80%.

Since you don't want a national government, period, who are you to demand national defense taxes?

Where did I demand "national defense taxes?"

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why stop at no help for college students? Why not get rid of public education all together and let all those kids who can't afford to pay for it go without any education?

How soon will that make America better?

You just made it plain that if government didn't pay for their educations that "caring" leftwing turds such as you wouldn't lift a finger to help any poor kid get one.

English please.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I am retired from two, myself. And I collect SSI. I don't owe a dime and if I don't have the money for it, I don't need it. It took me a lot of years and hard work to get here. But I also had breaks that most of the people here didn't get.There was a time that I was not working, or capable of working. I didn't apply for any assistance. I got hurt on a job and was thrown under the bus. I got a very good look at what it is to live on the edge. I don't live like that anymore but for 2 years it was one hell of a wakeup call. Again, I had choices the others didn't have. Education, experience, etc. that many don't have and will never have.

I know what it's like to live below poverty with no end in sight. Well, in my case, there was always a light at the end of the tunnel. But to others, there is no light at the end of a tunnel unless it's an oncoming train. It's not their fault. No College was available to them, no long term jobs to retire from and more. They have to try and live on 650 bucks a month. There is no way in hell they could make it without assistance in things like heat, electrics, housing, food, etc.. On top of that 650 bucks a month, they also get X dollars for each children. It's just not enough. There is a lot of misery that just shouldn't be. We are the greatest country in history and should be doing much better. I am ashamed that we aren't.

When I hear someone carry on about the Welfare Cheats but forget those that really need it get cuts in their benefits each time It angers me to no end. I see these people trying to make it where they are 1/2 month away from homeless and can't get any better. I see the jobs continue to be exported, the living expense go up. Oh, and don't worry about that gas is cheaper now, they can't afford a car. Their idea of a splurge is to order 10 piece chicken McNugget instead of the normal 5 piece. Their idea of a night out is a visit to Taco Bell. The answer to everything is to cut the benefits even more.

Now, keep sending those jobs overseas, allow the housing costs to keep skyrocketing and the food prices to keep spiraling the only solution; cut the beneifts. And then complain crime is rampant and all those people standing on street corners begging from money. Yes, I know, some are there because it's the easy way. But most are there because they don't have any other choices. It's one hell of a blow to an ego to have to resort to such things. I can't fathom it and neither can you. But it's a fact of their lives. Misery causes one to do options not normal to others.

If I had no options, I would make a really lousy Porn Star so I might be one of those with the sign begging for money. Look at my picture and it says it all.

We aren't going to be able to cure it all. But what can we do to release some of the misery. Especially the misery of the children. If you have any ideas, this is the place to present them.

I hear you but you're talking to the choir. I was raised at below poverty level myself. My Dad had no education and worked around in different sawmills. I vowed I would never be satisfied with his kind of life. Dad was often between jobs. I've never in my entire life drawn one minute of unemployment. I know guys that started working on cars and trucks in their back yard. Today they are very successful with big garages and employ several mechanics. I know a couple of barbers who did the same thing. If one wishes to rise up he will usually find a way to do so.

It's the American Dream! If only your fellow Americans were as hard working as you! You are awesome.

Yes. You should adopt my example.

You don't know anything about me. Why would you assume that I've not worked harder than you and achieved more? Is it a defense mechanism?

If you choose to take the low road and throw mud at me, be prepared to have it thrown back at you.

You didn't throw mud. You made a false assumption. I mocked you because you are a nutbag boilerplate talking point machine. You are where you are due to your effort PLUS the effort of millions of other people....past and present. Own that and stop trying to pretend that you are better than those who have struggled.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

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Our troops don't get a free education, they have to pay into it

With Sanders plan they would go for free

Free? There is no such thing as "free". Someone is paying for it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

My husband and I paid our loans off, we started saving for our children's college before they were even born. I have no desire to pay for some deadbeat's

I know what you mean there. I paid for my three children's college. Why should we pay for someone else's kid's college?

When you make my taxes that go to our bloated military and useless foreign wars voluntary, I'll make your taxes that go to education voluntary.

If you include all the taxes that go to liberal social programs, that's a deal, but I doubt any of you leftwing turds are willing to give taxpayers a choice as to which programs their taxes fund. That's the last thing you want.

You can't have a government with voluntary taxes. You want chaos.

Well, it's certainly true that you couldn't have a vast kleptocrat welfare state like the one we have without taxes. However, you could have a constitutional government.

You couldn't have a constitutional government that you envision because it would never be ratified by the the people/states.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I am retired from two, myself. And I collect SSI. I don't owe a dime and if I don't have the money for it, I don't need it. It took me a lot of years and hard work to get here. But I also had breaks that most of the people here didn't get.There was a time that I was not working, or capable of working. I didn't apply for any assistance. I got hurt on a job and was thrown under the bus. I got a very good look at what it is to live on the edge. I don't live like that anymore but for 2 years it was one hell of a wakeup call. Again, I had choices the others didn't have. Education, experience, etc. that many don't have and will never have.

I know what it's like to live below poverty with no end in sight. Well, in my case, there was always a light at the end of the tunnel. But to others, there is no light at the end of a tunnel unless it's an oncoming train. It's not their fault. No College was available to them, no long term jobs to retire from and more. They have to try and live on 650 bucks a month. There is no way in hell they could make it without assistance in things like heat, electrics, housing, food, etc.. On top of that 650 bucks a month, they also get X dollars for each children. It's just not enough. There is a lot of misery that just shouldn't be. We are the greatest country in history and should be doing much better. I am ashamed that we aren't.

When I hear someone carry on about the Welfare Cheats but forget those that really need it get cuts in their benefits each time It angers me to no end. I see these people trying to make it where they are 1/2 month away from homeless and can't get any better. I see the jobs continue to be exported, the living expense go up. Oh, and don't worry about that gas is cheaper now, they can't afford a car. Their idea of a splurge is to order 10 piece chicken McNugget instead of the normal 5 piece. Their idea of a night out is a visit to Taco Bell. The answer to everything is to cut the benefits even more.

Now, keep sending those jobs overseas, allow the housing costs to keep skyrocketing and the food prices to keep spiraling the only solution; cut the beneifts. And then complain crime is rampant and all those people standing on street corners begging from money. Yes, I know, some are there because it's the easy way. But most are there because they don't have any other choices. It's one hell of a blow to an ego to have to resort to such things. I can't fathom it and neither can you. But it's a fact of their lives. Misery causes one to do options not normal to others.

If I had no options, I would make a really lousy Porn Star so I might be one of those with the sign begging for money. Look at my picture and it says it all.

We aren't going to be able to cure it all. But what can we do to release some of the misery. Especially the misery of the children. If you have any ideas, this is the place to present them.

I hear you but you're talking to the choir. I was raised at below poverty level myself. My Dad had no education and worked around in different sawmills. I vowed I would never be satisfied with his kind of life. Dad was often between jobs. I've never in my entire life drawn one minute of unemployment. I know guys that started working on cars and trucks in their back yard. Today they are very successful with big garages and employ several mechanics. I know a couple of barbers who did the same thing. If one wishes to rise up he will usually find a way to do so.

It's the American Dream! If only your fellow Americans were as hard working as you! You are awesome.

Yes. You should adopt my example.

Why would you assume that he hasn't?

You never did answer the question posed...do you know what the primary reason given by those dropping out of college?

To be perfectly frank Scarlet, I don't give a damn what the primary reason is. It matters not in the least. The fact is 1/3 drop out which means that 1/3 of the taxpayers' money will be wasted.

So stupid. The reason......Rhett.....is that they cannot afford to stay in. Think a minute....then respond.

 

[Rozman]

I like Bernie Sanders, but college is expensive as hell NOW, just like health care. Perhaps we should find out WHY and nip that in the bud, first. Not just say we are , and click our ruby slippers together and magically make those costs just go away. Obama's health care plan is the same way, it didn't fix anything. It's a shell game.

If you think college is expensive now wait until Uncle Bernie has the government pay for it.
The colleges will have an endless supply of cash coming in knowing Uncle Sam is signing the checks.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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Our troops don't get a free education, they have to pay into it

With Sanders plan they would go for free

Free? There is no such thing as "free". Someone is paying for it.

Then why do conservatives express broad support for 'free trade' and 'free markets'?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

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Our troops don't get a free education, they have to pay into it

With Sanders plan they would go for free

Just love Liberal Logic

Actually, it was a Liberal FDR who created the GI Bill of Rights paying for education of veterans

There is no "GI Bill or Rights". It was called the GI Bill, as in to be made into law.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I like Bernie Sanders, but college is expensive as hell NOW, just like health care. Perhaps we should find out WHY and nip that in the bud, first. Not just say we are , and click our ruby slippers together and magically make those costs just go away. Obama's health care plan is the same way, it didn't fix anything. It's a shell game.

If you think college is expensive now wait until Uncle Bernie has the government pay for it.
The colleges will have an endless supply of cash coming in knowing Uncle Sam is signing the checks.

It applies to public state colleges accountable to the taxpayers.

 

[the_human_being]

I hear you but you're talking to the choir. I was raised at below poverty level myself. My Dad had no education and worked around in different sawmills. I vowed I would never be satisfied with his kind of life. Dad was often between jobs. I've never in my entire life drawn one minute of unemployment. I know guys that started working on cars and trucks in their back yard. Today they are very successful with big garages and employ several mechanics. I know a couple of barbers who did the same thing. If one wishes to rise up he will usually find a way to do so.

It's the American Dream! If only your fellow Americans were as hard working as you! You are awesome.

Yes. You should adopt my example.

You don't know anything about me. Why would you assume that I've not worked harder than you and achieved more? Is it a defense mechanism?

If you choose to take the low road and throw mud at me, be prepared to have it thrown back at you.

You didn't throw mud. You made a false assumption. I mocked you because you are a nutbag boilerplate talking point machine. You are where you are due to your effort PLUS the effort of millions of other people....past and present. Own that and stop trying to pretend that you are better than those who have struggled.

You are the fool. You don't know what struggling is. Try going through 50 years of your life with one arm and half your shoulder gone. Do you have any idea what it's like to do everything with your one left hand when you were born right-handed? You know nothing at all about having to work handicapped all your life.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The conservative war on the poor rolls on.

 

[bripat9643]

How bout this?

Free houses

If you normally pay $1000 a month mortgage, you pay an addititional $750 a month in taxes and live in a house provided by the government. Live in it twenty years and it is yours

Government uses the power of large markets and buys land and prefabricated components in bulk to build low cost houses.

If you don't want a government built house, you can still buy your own

I don't want government to feed me, I don't want government telling me where to live, I don't want government providing me healthcare, I don't want government wiping me when I'm done using the toilet.

My mother did these things for me when I was a child. I'm grown up now and don't need government to be my new mother.

I hear you. Most of these morons are happy to be led around by the nose and told what to do. They call that freedom. What a laugher.

It is freedom.

Nobody is forcing you to live in a government provided house, but your housing costs would be a lot less if you do

Why do you deny it to others?

The government would be forcing you to pay taxes to fund this idiocy, you dumb fucking moron.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Some of you thought I was being ludicrous with my idea but I was being serious. Why shouldn't everyone have a PHD? Ain't we all deserving human beings who deserve money, good job, housing, and an education. Shouldn't we get what we are worth and ain't we all worth a PHD? This is what my mommy told me when I was a boy. She said I am a worthy person and I deserve a PHD just like the smart people get and it is the injustice of our society that prevents me from getting one. Social injustice must be fought at every turn. PHDs not debt should be our slogan.

 

[LoneLaugher]

It's the American Dream! If only your fellow Americans were as hard working as you! You are awesome.

Yes. You should adopt my example.

Why would you assume that he hasn't?

You never did answer the question posed...do you know what the primary reason given by those dropping out of college?

To be perfectly frank Scarlet, I don't give a damn what the primary reason is. It matters not in the least. The fact is 1/3 drop out which means that 1/3 of the taxpayers' money will be wasted.

Well, thanks for falling right in to that one, Nancy.

The primary reason that people drop out of college is the cost.

Bullshit. The primary reason people drop out is they lose the motivation to see it through. Both my daughters made it through on scholarships and grants by keeping their grades up.

Nope. You are talking out of your ass.

And....thank the benefactors who helped pay for your daughters to attend college. That would be those who care about the future of this nation.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

The conservative war on the poor rolls on.

I maimed a poor person once on purpose. It was pretty cool. HE was asking me for money so I pulled out my shotgun and tried to blow his head off. I missed but I got his shoulder instead.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Some of you thought I was being ludicrous with my idea but I was being serious. Why shouldn't everyone have a PHD? Ain't we all deserving human beings who deserve money, good job, housing, and an education. Shouldn't we get what we are worth and ain't we all worth a PHD? This is what my mommy told me when I was a boy. She said I am a worthy person and I deserve a PHD just like the smart people get and it is the injustice of our society that prevents me from getting one. Social injustice must be fought at every turn. PHDs not debt should be our slogan.

If everyone has a PHD a PHD would mean little