Why Stories of Jesus Became More Magical Over Time

[JoeB131]

Yes, Jews are a fallen people who have hearts that have been continuously hardened to God, if you read the Old Testament you would know this. Heck, just look at yourself.

Actually, I have.

You know what my takeaway is.

Frankly, there isn't much about the Old Testament God that makes him worthy of anyone's worship.

He drowns babies when people don't turn out the way he wants them to.
He sends bears to maul children.
He kills David's baby to show David that adultery was wrong. (So why not punish David?)

But it gets worse.
He turns Mrs. Lott into Salt for looking back at Sodom, but he was totally good with Lot offering his daughters up for Gang rape before having drunken sex with them himself.

He required Jephthah to butcher and burn his daughter as a sacrifice because he made a foolish oath.

He kills 70,000 Israelites because David did a census God told him to take. Or maybe Satan told him to take it.

the Old Testament God IS understandable as the manifestation of all the forces of merciless nature that Bronze Age people didn't really understand. But he's not worthy of anyone's worship.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Yes, Jews are a fallen people who have hearts that have been continuously hardened to God, if you read the Old Testament you would know this. Heck, just look at yourself.

Actually, I have.

You know what my takeaway is.

Frankly, there isn't much about the Old Testament God that makes him worthy of anyone's worship.

He drowns babies when people don't turn out the way he wants them to.
He sends bears to maul children.
He kills David's baby to show David that adultery was wrong. (So why not punish David?)

But it gets worse.
He turns Mrs. Lott into Salt for looking back at Sodom, but he was totally good with Lot offering his daughters up for Gang rape before having drunken sex with them himself.

He required Jephthah to butcher and burn his daughter as a sacrifice because he made a foolish oath.

He kills 70,000 Israelites because David did a census God told him to take. Or maybe Satan told him to take it.

the Old Testament God IS understandable as the manifestation of all the forces of merciless nature that Bronze Age people didn't really understand. But he's not worthy of anyone's worship.

Those who believe he's real beleive and accept that, in a temper fit, killed his own child.

Worse, in another tantrum, drowned the entire world.

He kills, maims and sickens innocents all over the planet.

As for Steinlight - you have proven yourself to be very ignorant about what you say is your religion. You really need to stop haranguing others and educate yourself.

 

[Steinlight]

Yes, Jews are a fallen people who have hearts that have been continuously hardened to God, if you read the Old Testament you would know this. Heck, just look at yourself.

Actually, I have.

You know what my takeaway is.

Frankly, there isn't much about the Old Testament God that makes him worthy of anyone's worship.

He drowns babies when people don't turn out the way he wants them to.
He sends bears to maul children.
He kills David's baby to show David that adultery was wrong. (So why not punish David?)

But it gets worse.
He turns Mrs. Lott into Salt for looking back at Sodom, but he was totally good with Lot offering his daughters up for Gang rape before having drunken sex with them himself.

He required Jephthah to butcher and burn his daughter as a sacrifice because he made a foolish oath.

He kills 70,000 Israelites because David did a census God told him to take. Or maybe Satan told him to take it.

the Old Testament God IS understandable as the manifestation of all the forces of merciless nature that Bronze Age people didn't really understand. But he's not worthy of anyone's worship.

No one says you have to worship God, but by doing so, but without God, you are reduced to a base level animal(which you have admitted on a public forum with your goony proclivities) with no rights. So fine, there is no God. That means you have no rights and are a mere pawn of the state. There is no right and wrong, and you are a random amalgamation of material drifting aimlessly through the universe watching porn and Dr. Who until you die. Wow, what an amazing life, not.

 

[JoeB131]

Those who believe he's real beleive and accept that, in a temper fit, killed his own child.

Worse, in another tantrum, drowned the entire world.

He kills, maims and sickens innocents all over the planet.

As for Steinlight - you have proven yourself to be very ignorant about what you say is your religion. You really need to stop haranguing others and educate yourself.

I would go further than that, because this is where the cosmology gets squirrelly.

God didn't kill his own child, he killed himself. Because God and Jesus are one and the same. The reason he had to kill himself was because of his anger because someone ate a fruit off a tree.

Now, here's the thing, if you take the nice Jesus philosophy that they distilled own for churches, yeah, it's not a bad philosophy. Treat people like you'd want to be treated, give to the less fortunate. Lots and lots of good stuff in there.

 

[Steinlight]

Yes, Jews are a fallen people who have hearts that have been continuously hardened to God, if you read the Old Testament you would know this. Heck, just look at yourself.

Actually, I have.

You know what my takeaway is.

Frankly, there isn't much about the Old Testament God that makes him worthy of anyone's worship.

He drowns babies when people don't turn out the way he wants them to.
He sends bears to maul children.
He kills David's baby to show David that adultery was wrong. (So why not punish David?)

But it gets worse.
He turns Mrs. Lott into Salt for looking back at Sodom, but he was totally good with Lot offering his daughters up for Gang rape before having drunken sex with them himself.

He required Jephthah to butcher and burn his daughter as a sacrifice because he made a foolish oath.

He kills 70,000 Israelites because David did a census God told him to take. Or maybe Satan told him to take it.

the Old Testament God IS understandable as the manifestation of all the forces of merciless nature that Bronze Age people didn't really understand. But he's not worthy of anyone's worship.

Those who believe he's real beleive and accept that, in a temper fit, killed his own child.

Worse, in another tantrum, drowned the entire world.

He kills, maims and sickens innocents all over the planet.

As for Steinlight - you have proven yourself to be very ignorant about what you say is your religion. You really need to stop haranguing others and educate yourself.

You need to take your meds and get a life, instead of making false comments about my posts.

 

[JoeB131]

No one says you have to worship God, but by doing so, you reduce yourself to a base level animal(which you have admitted on a public forum with your goony proclivities) with no rights. .

Frankly, guy, you are saying that by worshiping God I'm reducing my self to an animal? Did you actually structure that sentence out before you wrote it.

So fine, there is no God. That means you have no rights and are a mere pawn of the state.

Well, no. It means I make my own decisions and live with them or the consequences. Just like we all do.

There is no right and wrong, and you are a random amalgamation of material drifting aimlessly through the universe

Um, no. Right and wrong aren't dependent on the existence of a God. Murder is wrong because that's another being with feelings and people who care about him. Not because there's a fairy in the sky saying it's wrong.

The problem with the Bible is that it calls for the murder of people for offenses like...

Being Gay
Working on the Sabbath
Not being a virgin on your wedding night
For mouthing off to your parents
For being a witch
For worshipping another God.
For saying things that are blaphemous- like Maybe Jesus' mom wasn't really a virgin.

Things that simply we would not do today.

You see where your logic falls apart, or are you going to make another crack about a TV show you don't watch?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Yes, Jews are a fallen people who have hearts that have been continuously hardened to God, if you read the Old Testament you would know this. Heck, just look at yourself.

Actually, I have.

You know what my takeaway is.

Frankly, there isn't much about the Old Testament God that makes him worthy of anyone's worship.

He drowns babies when people don't turn out the way he wants them to.
He sends bears to maul children.
He kills David's baby to show David that adultery was wrong. (So why not punish David?)

But it gets worse.
He turns Mrs. Lott into Salt for looking back at Sodom, but he was totally good with Lot offering his daughters up for Gang rape before having drunken sex with them himself.

He required Jephthah to butcher and burn his daughter as a sacrifice because he made a foolish oath.

He kills 70,000 Israelites because David did a census God told him to take. Or maybe Satan told him to take it.

the Old Testament God IS understandable as the manifestation of all the forces of merciless nature that Bronze Age people didn't really understand. But he's not worthy of anyone's worship.

No one says you have to worship God, but by doing so, you reduce yourself to a base level animal(which you have admitted on a public forum with your goony proclivities) with no rights. So fine, there is no God. That means you have no rights and are a mere pawn of the state. There is no right and wrong, and you are a random amalgamation of material drifting aimlessly through the universe watching porn and Dr. Who until you die. Wow, what an amazing life, not.

You really are all over the place with your beliefs.

No one says you have to worship God, but by doing so, you reduce yourself to a base level animal(which you have admitted on a public forum with your goony proclivities) with no rights.

I'm not a christian but I would never say anything so nasty about most of them.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Yes, Jews are a fallen people who have hearts that have been continuously hardened to God, if you read the Old Testament you would know this. Heck, just look at yourself.

Actually, I have.

You know what my takeaway is.

Frankly, there isn't much about the Old Testament God that makes him worthy of anyone's worship.

He drowns babies when people don't turn out the way he wants them to.
He sends bears to maul children.
He kills David's baby to show David that adultery was wrong. (So why not punish David?)

But it gets worse.
He turns Mrs. Lott into Salt for looking back at Sodom, but he was totally good with Lot offering his daughters up for Gang rape before having drunken sex with them himself.

He required Jephthah to butcher and burn his daughter as a sacrifice because he made a foolish oath.

He kills 70,000 Israelites because David did a census God told him to take. Or maybe Satan told him to take it.

the Old Testament God IS understandable as the manifestation of all the forces of merciless nature that Bronze Age people didn't really understand. But he's not worthy of anyone's worship.

Those who believe he's real beleive and accept that, in a temper fit, killed his own child.

Worse, in another tantrum, drowned the entire world.

He kills, maims and sickens innocents all over the planet.

As for Steinlight - you have proven yourself to be very ignorant about what you say is your religion. You really need to stop haranguing others and educate yourself.

You need to take your meds and get a life, instead of making false comments about my posts.

Hey - YOU wrote this:

No one says you have to worship God, but by doing so, you reduce yourself to a base level animal(which you have admitted on a public forum with your goony proclivities) with no rights.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Those who believe he's real beleive and accept that, in a temper fit, killed his own child.

Worse, in another tantrum, drowned the entire world.

He kills, maims and sickens innocents all over the planet.

As for Steinlight - you have proven yourself to be very ignorant about what you say is your religion. You really need to stop haranguing others and educate yourself.

I would go further than that, because this is where the cosmology gets squirrelly.

God didn't kill his own child, he killed himself. Because God and Jesus are one and the same. The reason he had to kill himself was because of his anger because someone ate a fruit off a tree.

Now, here's the thing, if you take the nice Jesus philosophy that they distilled own for churches, yeah, it's not a bad philosophy. Treat people like you'd want to be treated, give to the less fortunate. Lots and lots of good stuff in there.

Yabut, go start a thread about food stamps for children, the elderly, the disabled - and watch the christians line up to say they want them to starve.

Way too many of them don't live what Jesus taught.

 

[Steinlight]

Yes, Jews are a fallen people who have hearts that have been continuously hardened to God, if you read the Old Testament you would know this. Heck, just look at yourself.

Actually, I have.

You know what my takeaway is.

Frankly, there isn't much about the Old Testament God that makes him worthy of anyone's worship.

He drowns babies when people don't turn out the way he wants them to.
He sends bears to maul children.
He kills David's baby to show David that adultery was wrong. (So why not punish David?)

But it gets worse.
He turns Mrs. Lott into Salt for looking back at Sodom, but he was totally good with Lot offering his daughters up for Gang rape before having drunken sex with them himself.

He required Jephthah to butcher and burn his daughter as a sacrifice because he made a foolish oath.

He kills 70,000 Israelites because David did a census God told him to take. Or maybe Satan told him to take it.

the Old Testament God IS understandable as the manifestation of all the forces of merciless nature that Bronze Age people didn't really understand. But he's not worthy of anyone's worship.

No one says you have to worship God, but by doing so, you reduce yourself to a base level animal(which you have admitted on a public forum with your goony proclivities) with no rights. So fine, there is no God. That means you have no rights and are a mere pawn of the state. There is no right and wrong, and you are a random amalgamation of material drifting aimlessly through the universe watching porn and Dr. Who until you die. Wow, what an amazing life, not.

You really are all over the place with your beliefs.

No one says you have to worship God, but by doing so, you reduce yourself to a base level animal(which you have admitted on a public forum with your goony proclivities) with no rights.

I'm not a christian but I would never say anything so nasty about most of them.

Haha, lets make fun of his typo and ignore the next sentence and the rest of what he is saying and play dumb.

You are just proving the prior point I have made, that most atheists, not all, are clever sillies. You are being intentionally obtuse and ignoring the rest of the post due to a typo.

The point is, without a creator, man is just another base level animal, with no more intrinsic worth than any other form of life in the objective sense. It is God in Genesis that gives us dominion over all creation.

 

[Steinlight]

No one says you have to worship God, but by doing so, you reduce yourself to a base level animal(which you have admitted on a public forum with your goony proclivities) with no rights. .

Frankly, guy, you are saying that by worshiping God I'm reducing my self to an animal? Did you actually structure that sentence out before you wrote it.

So fine, there is no God. That means you have no rights and are a mere pawn of the state.

Well, no. It means I make my own decisions and live with them or the consequences. Just like we all do.

There is no right and wrong, and you are a random amalgamation of material drifting aimlessly through the universe

Um, no. Right and wrong aren't dependent on the existence of a God. Murder is wrong because that's another being with feelings and people who care about him. Not because there's a fairy in the sky saying it's wrong.

The problem with the Bible is that it calls for the murder of people for offenses like...

Being Gay
Working on the Sabbath
Not being a virgin on your wedding night
For mouthing off to your parents
For being a witch
For worshipping another God.
For saying things that are blaphemous- like Maybe Jesus' mom wasn't really a virgin.

Things that simply we would not do today.

You see where your logic falls apart, or are you going to make another crack about a TV show you don't watch?

Well some people don't feel murder is wrong at all, and feel no remorse when they kill, so there goes your theory that everyone FEELS murder is wrong. Without a God, there is no right or wrong, and whether one chooses to murder or not is a preference based on their personal feelings.

Without a universal arbiter of justice, there is no right and wrong in the eternal sense, just what you get away with and what you don't get away with on earth. And in the end "good or bad", everyone dies the same death anyways. In the end, with no God, whether one is Stalin or Mother Theresa, they both die, and in the eternal sense, their life is a wash. That is rather bleak to me. It may very well be true, but it is a rather dreary prospect, and I don't revel in it like you. I think this is mostly because you haven't thought out the dark and nihilistic consequences of Atheism.

I am not a Jew. As Christians, we aren't bound by Old Testament law and the Mosaic Covenant. When Christ came, a new Covenant was formed and old one was absolved. These laws reflect the standard legal codes of the Bronze Age, which were generally strict in this way. the laws were harsh for a debased and sinful people. They were for that place and time, and have been since replaced when Jesus came with the new Covenant.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Yes, Jews are a fallen people who have hearts that have been continuously hardened to God, if you read the Old Testament you would know this. Heck, just look at yourself.

Actually, I have.

You know what my takeaway is.

Frankly, there isn't much about the Old Testament God that makes him worthy of anyone's worship.

He drowns babies when people don't turn out the way he wants them to.
He sends bears to maul children.
He kills David's baby to show David that adultery was wrong. (So why not punish David?)

But it gets worse.
He turns Mrs. Lott into Salt for looking back at Sodom, but he was totally good with Lot offering his daughters up for Gang rape before having drunken sex with them himself.

He required Jephthah to butcher and burn his daughter as a sacrifice because he made a foolish oath.

He kills 70,000 Israelites because David did a census God told him to take. Or maybe Satan told him to take it.

the Old Testament God IS understandable as the manifestation of all the forces of merciless nature that Bronze Age people didn't really understand. But he's not worthy of anyone's worship.

No one says you have to worship God, but by doing so, you reduce yourself to a base level animal(which you have admitted on a public forum with your goony proclivities) with no rights. So fine, there is no God. That means you have no rights and are a mere pawn of the state. There is no right and wrong, and you are a random amalgamation of material drifting aimlessly through the universe watching porn and Dr. Who until you die. Wow, what an amazing life, not.

You really are all over the place with your beliefs.

No one says you have to worship God, but by doing so, you reduce yourself to a base level animal(which you have admitted on a public forum with your goony proclivities) with no rights.

I'm not a christian but I would never say anything so nasty about most of them.

Haha, lets make fun of his typo and ignore the next sentence and the rest of what he is saying and play dumb.

You are just proving the prior point I have made, that most atheists, not all, are clever sillies. You are being intentionally obtuse and ignoring the rest of the post due to a typo.

The point is, without a creator, man is just another base level animal, with no more intrinsic worth than any other form of life in the objective sense. It is God in Genesis that gives us dominion over all creation.

You don't think that it is a tiny bit arrogant that the Bible teaches that we are created in god's image?

I wonder where god got his navel? I'm pretty sure where I got mine....

 

[Vandalshandle]

"When Christ came, a new Covenant was formed and old one was absolved." Stein

Mathew 5:17

""Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

 

[Steinlight]

Yes, Jews are a fallen people who have hearts that have been continuously hardened to God, if you read the Old Testament you would know this. Heck, just look at yourself.

Actually, I have.

You know what my takeaway is.

Frankly, there isn't much about the Old Testament God that makes him worthy of anyone's worship.

He drowns babies when people don't turn out the way he wants them to.
He sends bears to maul children.
He kills David's baby to show David that adultery was wrong. (So why not punish David?)

But it gets worse.
He turns Mrs. Lott into Salt for looking back at Sodom, but he was totally good with Lot offering his daughters up for Gang rape before having drunken sex with them himself.

He required Jephthah to butcher and burn his daughter as a sacrifice because he made a foolish oath.

He kills 70,000 Israelites because David did a census God told him to take. Or maybe Satan told him to take it.

the Old Testament God IS understandable as the manifestation of all the forces of merciless nature that Bronze Age people didn't really understand. But he's not worthy of anyone's worship.

No one says you have to worship God, but by doing so, you reduce yourself to a base level animal(which you have admitted on a public forum with your goony proclivities) with no rights. So fine, there is no God. That means you have no rights and are a mere pawn of the state. There is no right and wrong, and you are a random amalgamation of material drifting aimlessly through the universe watching porn and Dr. Who until you die. Wow, what an amazing life, not.

You really are all over the place with your beliefs.

No one says you have to worship God, but by doing so, you reduce yourself to a base level animal(which you have admitted on a public forum with your goony proclivities) with no rights.

I'm not a christian but I would never say anything so nasty about most of them.

Haha, lets make fun of his typo and ignore the next sentence and the rest of what he is saying and play dumb.

You are just proving the prior point I have made, that most atheists, not all, are clever sillies. You are being intentionally obtuse and ignoring the rest of the post due to a typo.

The point is, without a creator, man is just another base level animal, with no more intrinsic worth than any other form of life in the objective sense. It is God in Genesis that gives us dominion over all creation.

You don't think that it is a tiny bit arrogant that the Bible teaches that we are created in god's image?

I wonder where god got his navel? I'm pretty sure where I got mine....

No, it isn't arrogant if you understand what is meant by saying that.

 

[Statistikhengst]

I am thinking to myself that today, the 25th of December, is exactly the wrong day to be having a thread of this type.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Actually, I have.

You know what my takeaway is.

Frankly, there isn't much about the Old Testament God that makes him worthy of anyone's worship.

He drowns babies when people don't turn out the way he wants them to.
He sends bears to maul children.
He kills David's baby to show David that adultery was wrong. (So why not punish David?)

But it gets worse.
He turns Mrs. Lott into Salt for looking back at Sodom, but he was totally good with Lot offering his daughters up for Gang rape before having drunken sex with them himself.

He required Jephthah to butcher and burn his daughter as a sacrifice because he made a foolish oath.

He kills 70,000 Israelites because David did a census God told him to take. Or maybe Satan told him to take it.

the Old Testament God IS understandable as the manifestation of all the forces of merciless nature that Bronze Age people didn't really understand. But he's not worthy of anyone's worship.

No one says you have to worship God, but by doing so, you reduce yourself to a base level animal(which you have admitted on a public forum with your goony proclivities) with no rights. So fine, there is no God. That means you have no rights and are a mere pawn of the state. There is no right and wrong, and you are a random amalgamation of material drifting aimlessly through the universe watching porn and Dr. Who until you die. Wow, what an amazing life, not.

You really are all over the place with your beliefs.

No one says you have to worship God, but by doing so, you reduce yourself to a base level animal(which you have admitted on a public forum with your goony proclivities) with no rights.

I'm not a christian but I would never say anything so nasty about most of them.

Haha, lets make fun of his typo and ignore the next sentence and the rest of what he is saying and play dumb.

You are just proving the prior point I have made, that most atheists, not all, are clever sillies. You are being intentionally obtuse and ignoring the rest of the post due to a typo.

The point is, without a creator, man is just another base level animal, with no more intrinsic worth than any other form of life in the objective sense. It is God in Genesis that gives us dominion over all creation.

You don't think that it is a tiny bit arrogant that the Bible teaches that we are created in god's image?

I wonder where god got his navel? I'm pretty sure where I got mine....

No, it isn't arrogant if you understand what is meant by saying that.

I've been told by Christians all my life that the Bible is god's word. Nothing more, nothing less. I think that if he is speaking in riddles, he is making a serious mistake.

 

[Steinlight]

"When Christ came, a new Covenant was formed and old one was absolved." Stein

Mathew 5:17

""Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Wow, amazing that you quote one verse with no context. Galatians 3 explains that salvation comes through faith in Christ, not through the old law, and very clearly states we as Christians are not under it.

Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3 - Faith or Works of the Law - You foolish - Bible Gateway

In Hebrews it very clearly state that the old covenant is obsolete and has been replaced by the new Covenant.

Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 8 KJV - Now of the things which we have spoken - Bible Gateway

 

[Vandalshandle]

"In Hebrews it very clearly state that the old covenant is obsolete and has been replaced by the new Covenant."

And yet, no Jewish scripture agrees with the New Testament. So, why would one put credence of one faith over another...especially since the entire Christian faith was just a Johnny-come-lately off branch of Judaism? The second part of that question is, if Christianity trumps Judaism, because of new revelations from god, would not the same argument favor the Mormon Church over other branches of Christianity??

 

[Hollie]

Actually, I have.

You know what my takeaway is.

Frankly, there isn't much about the Old Testament God that makes him worthy of anyone's worship.

He drowns babies when people don't turn out the way he wants them to.
He sends bears to maul children.
He kills David's baby to show David that adultery was wrong. (So why not punish David?)

But it gets worse.
He turns Mrs. Lott into Salt for looking back at Sodom, but he was totally good with Lot offering his daughters up for Gang rape before having drunken sex with them himself.

He required Jephthah to butcher and burn his daughter as a sacrifice because he made a foolish oath.

He kills 70,000 Israelites because David did a census God told him to take. Or maybe Satan told him to take it.

the Old Testament God IS understandable as the manifestation of all the forces of merciless nature that Bronze Age people didn't really understand. But he's not worthy of anyone's worship.

No one says you have to worship God, but by doing so, you reduce yourself to a base level animal(which you have admitted on a public forum with your goony proclivities) with no rights. So fine, there is no God. That means you have no rights and are a mere pawn of the state. There is no right and wrong, and you are a random amalgamation of material drifting aimlessly through the universe watching porn and Dr. Who until you die. Wow, what an amazing life, not.

You really are all over the place with your beliefs.

No one says you have to worship God, but by doing so, you reduce yourself to a base level animal(which you have admitted on a public forum with your goony proclivities) with no rights.

I'm not a christian but I would never say anything so nasty about most of them.

Haha, lets make fun of his typo and ignore the next sentence and the rest of what he is saying and play dumb.

You are just proving the prior point I have made, that most atheists, not all, are clever sillies. You are being intentionally obtuse and ignoring the rest of the post due to a typo.

The point is, without a creator, man is just another base level animal, with no more intrinsic worth than any other form of life in the objective sense. It is God in Genesis that gives us dominion over all creation.

You don't think that it is a tiny bit arrogant that the Bible teaches that we are created in god's image?

I wonder where god got his navel? I'm pretty sure where I got mine....

No, it isn't arrogant if you understand what is meant by saying that.

I think what's arrogant is a christian dismissing the OT when Paul, the inventor of christianity, co-opted the Hebrew Scriptures in the formulation of the religion he created.

 

[Steinlight]

"In Hebrews it very clearly state that the old covenant is obsolete and has been replaced by the new Covenant."

And yet, no Jewish scripture agrees with the New Testament. So, why would one put credence of one faith over another...especially since the entire Christian faith was just a Johnny-come-lately off branch of Judaism? The second part of that question is, if Christianity trumps Judaism, because of new revelations from god, would not the same argument favor the Mormon Church over other branches of Christianity??

Mormons aren't Christians, they are polytheists who don't believe in the triune God and believe they become gods in the afterlife. So your argument really doesn't make sense that Mormonism would be a more "complete" version of Christianity, being that it isn't Christian.

Why put credence in one faith over another? That is a rather silly question, considering the difference between the two faiths. We as Christians believe salvation comes through Christ, who is Messiah. Jews believe the Messiah has yet to come, and still claim to follow the old law. The only reasonable way to not put credence in one over the other would to neither be a Christian nor a Jew. Is this what you are implying?

And calling Christianity a "johnny come lately" branch of Judaism is crude and ignorant. It is not a branch of Judaism, the salvation of humanity through the death and resurrection of Christ is a fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy, of the old covenant.