Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

[idb]

JRK keeps spamming, but the fact remains that WMDs were not found, as the admin described them; the leadership are war criminals; and the outsourcing of the war helped weaken the American economy.

Quite right, it should have been insourced to aid the American economy

 

[BlindBoo]

I began this thread because of the lies that were told about these event
The 100s of thousands of Men and Woman who without question volunteered so people like Mac could sit behind a key board and make jokes about there sacrifice

I have no issue with people who dis agreed with this event, I have a real serious issue with those who ignore what Saddam really was and why we really had no choice but to remove him from this earth
I have serious issue with those who blamed every-one but THE one who caused all of it
Saddam Hussein

Being against war started with him
Being against Violence began with him
Murdering millions and harboring the same who were responsible for 9-11 left this country and its 33 allies no choice
without Al Qaeda, there are few deaths
without Saddam, there are none

God Bless all of them that made it so mac could be the person he thinks he is today
free to make a joke of the sacrifices made

Violence sucks, and with Gods will one day I pray there will be no more
I also pray that those like mac who think the freedoms we have are allowed to go live in places like Iraq when Saddam was torturing, raping, killing millions for nothing more than being a human being
Mac were all pulling for you

Saddam had no hand in the 9-11 attacks and did not support al Queda. Nor were the attackers given safe haven in Iraq.

Iraq was not a threat to our country.

Invading and occupying Iraq was this countries most serious strategic blunder to date.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Colin Powell outlined the UN:

1) Saddam's refusal to follow UN inspections of his WMD program.
2) Saddam's support for suicide bombers attacking Israel.
3) Saddam's human rights violations inside Iraq.
4) Saddam's violations of the No Fly Zone.

So we went into Iraq based on based on those reasons in order to remove Saddam from power. Saddam is dead and Iraq is now in compliance with all of the above.

 

[georgephillip]

"There were few if any reservations evident in the range of weapons which President Ronald Reagan, and his successor George W. H. Bush were willing to sell Saddam Hussein.

"Under the Arms Export Control Act of 1976, the foreign sale of munitions and other defense equipment and technology are controlled by the Department of State. During the 1980s, such items could not be sold or diverted to Communist states, nor to those on the U.S. list of terrorist-supporting countries.

"When Iraq came off that list in 1982, however, some $48 million of items such as data privacy devices, voice scramblers, communication and navigation equipment, electronic components, image intensifiers and pistols (to protect Saddam) were approved for sale during 1985-90.

"But it was through the purchase of $1.5 billion of American "dual-use items," having, sometimes arguably, both military and civilian functions, that Iraq obtained the bulk of it weapons of mass destruction in the late 80s. 'Duel-use items' are controlled and licensed by the Department of Commerce under the Export Administration Act of 1979. This is where the real damage was done."

Who Armed Iraq? » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[BlindBoo]

Colin Powell outlined the UN:

1) Saddam's refusal to follow UN inspections of his WMD program.
2) Saddam's support for suicide bombers attacking Israel.
3) Saddam's human rights violations inside Iraq.
4) Saddam's violations of the No Fly Zone.

So we went into Iraq based on based on those reasons in order to remove Saddam from power. Saddam is dead and Iraq is now in compliance with all of the above.

1. SCR 1441 which the US agreed too was still in effect and proceeding to verify that there were no new WMD in Iraq.

2. The Joint resolution authorizing military action did not include Saddam's support for militants in regional conflicts like the one in Palestine as a reason that the President could decide on.

3. The Joint resolution authorizing military action did not include Saddam's alleged human rights violations as a reason that the President could decide on.

2. The Joint resolution authorizing military action did not include Saddam's disregarding the No-Fly-Zone as a reason that the President could decide on.

Nope none of the above fufill the requirements laid out in the Joint Resolution for the use of military force. The invasdion and occupation was not only a failure but a huge blunder.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Dumbfuck....Colin Powell outlined our reasons for why Saddam needed to be removed from power.

The UN ignored their own resolutions against him, because scum like China, Russia and some Euro trash were making money under the table through the Oil for Food scam. Even the leader of the UN had his son involved in stealing money from the program.

To continually lie about what Colin Powell said was our US position shows you're nothing but a liberal that will never accept the truth.

Democraps authorized Bush to invade Iraq because they saw the same intel photos Powell and others saw where Saddam was moving/burying stuff around Iraq during the IAEA inspections. If a felon is moving and burying stuff in his backyard...the police typically see that as some criminal activity and get a warrant to see what he is doing.

The same can be said about Saddam on an international level...but most likely he got his WMD to Syria with the help of Russia just in time before the invasion so that dumbfucks like you can claim Bush lied.

Oh, are you doing to deny Saddam was funding suicide bombers attacking "the Jews," killing/torturing his own people, and violating the guidelines laid out from the Gulf War ceasefire regarding the No Fly Zone and WMD program? Come on dumbfuck.....deny it.

Colin Powell outlined the UN:

1) Saddam's refusal to follow UN inspections of his WMD program.
2) Saddam's support for suicide bombers attacking Israel.
3) Saddam's human rights violations inside Iraq.
4) Saddam's violations of the No Fly Zone.

So we went into Iraq based on based on those reasons in order to remove Saddam from power. Saddam is dead and Iraq is now in compliance with all of the above.

1. SCR 1441 which the US agreed too was still in effect and proceeding to verify that there were no new WMD in Iraq.

2. The Joint resolution authorizing military action did not include Saddam's support for militants in regional conflicts like the one in Palestine as a reason that the President could decide on.

3. The Joint resolution authorizing military action did not include Saddam's alleged human rights violations as a reason that the President could decide on.

2. The Joint resolution authorizing military action did not include Saddam's disregarding the No-Fly-Zone as a reason that the President could decide on.

Nope none of the above fufill the requirements laid out in the Joint Resolution for the use of military force. The invasdion and occupation was not only a failure but a huge blunder.

 

[JRK]

JRK keeps spamming, but the fact remains that WMDs were not found, as the admin described them; the leadership are war criminals; and the outsourcing of the war helped weaken the American economy.

Quite right, it should have been insourced to aid the American economy

Spamming?
exactly what is it I have spammed on a message board that its full intent is to debate political items such as these
500 munitions that met the criteria of WMDs as mandated by, well read it again


Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

By Samantha L. Quigley
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.
The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.
The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal.
"Mustard is a blister agent (that) actually produces burning of any area (where) an individual may come in contact with the agent," he said. It also is potentially fatal if it gets into a person's lungs.
The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.
While that's reassuring, the agent remaining in the w

Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

Now why is this spam?
Your claims come first
this information comes next

the only spamming here is not from me, I have stated over and over the lying about these events is what inspired me to write this thread

Was this what intelligence stated he had? NO
GWB admits that, I admit that
Are they part of the 6500 the UN claimed Saddam had and to this day are still missing
Maybe
Where they WMDs? yes
Was Saddam suppose to have them? NO

Congress voted to remove Saddam to enforce UN regulations, by mandate this became a whole legal event when this event took place in the halls of congress, later when Al Qaeda was conformed to have been there before we invaded that was more conformation as to the correct vote by congress and approved by the president

 

[Peach]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

Yes, the reasons given; "mushroom cloud", and WMD's "poised to strike". 4,486 American dead, and our now suspicious allies have their death tolls also. Tens of thousands of US troops maimed, all so a boy could play soldier. Over a trillion spent, and the right wingnuts wonder why the debt is high, now. Not a peep out the chickenhawks when Cheney brushed off debt with "deficits don't matter".

 

[JRK]

"There were few if any reservations evident in the range of weapons which President Ronald Reagan, and his successor George W. H. Bush were willing to sell Saddam Hussein.

"Under the Arms Export Control Act of 1976, the foreign sale of munitions and other defense equipment and technology are controlled by the Department of State. During the 1980s, such items could not be sold or diverted to Communist states, nor to those on the U.S. list of terrorist-supporting countries.

"When Iraq came off that list in 1982, however, some $48 million of items such as data privacy devices, voice scramblers, communication and navigation equipment, electronic components, image intensifiers and pistols (to protect Saddam) were approved for sale during 1985-90.

"But it was through the purchase of $1.5 billion of American "dual-use items," having, sometimes arguably, both military and civilian functions, that Iraq obtained the bulk of it weapons of mass destruction in the late 80s. 'Duel-use items' are controlled and licensed by the Department of Commerce under the Export Administration Act of 1979. This is where the real damage was done."

Who Armed Iraq? » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

What does the events of the 80s have to do with Kuwait?
Saddams surrender?
Ignoring terms of surrender (survival)
9-11
Al Qaeda taking up arms in Iraq prior to invasion?
550 metric tons of yellow cake in Iraq?
Harboring as well financing numerous terrorist organizations
torture
rape
murder (NY times claims 2 million)

Why do you people defends this maniac so much?

 

[GoneBezerk]

It's pathetic seeing scum like Peach and other liberals here talk shit about the mission carried about by the US military in Iraq. The US military that in majority supported removing Saddam from power after Bush SR failed to do it in the 90s.

So when you didn't serve a minute in the military and especially didn't do shit compared to me in helping remove Saddam from power.....shut the fuck up.

 

[JRK]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

Yes, the reasons given; "mushroom cloud", and WMD's "poised to strike". 4,486 American dead, and our now suspicious allies have their death tolls also. Tens of thousands of US troops maimed, all so a boy could play soldier. Over a trillion spent, and the right wingnuts wonder why the debt is high, now. Not a peep out the chickenhawks when Cheney brushed off debt with "deficits don't matter".

The Iraq war cost was less than the stimulus
The iraq war cost less than the amount BHO added to our yearly spending from 2007 to 2010
Saddam (his maniacal followers)and Al Qaeda killed those brave kids, no-one else
Weapons were poised to strike, not as the intel form the UN and others had claimed

Missiles did exist just prior to invading, this became the smoking gun
The document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now unaccounted for.

The discovery of a number of 122 mm chemical rocket warheads in a bunker at a storage depot 170 km southwest of Baghdad was much publicized. This was a relatively new bunker and therefore the rockets must have been moved there in the past few years, at a time when Iraq should not have had such munitions.

The investigation of these rockets is still proceeding. Iraq states that they were overlooked from 1991 from a batch of some 2,000 that were stored there during the Gulf War. This could be the case. They could also be the tip of a submerged iceberg. The discovery of a few rockets does not resolve but rather points to the issue of several thousands of chemical rockets that are unaccounted for.

Update 27 January 2003

 

[GoneBezerk]

The idiot socialist is a foreigner that gets a boner coming here continually try to claim Reagan made Saddam a monster since we supported Saddam against Iran and helped Saddam keep the Soviets out of Iraq.

Reagan was supposed to look into a crystal ball and see Saddam would later invade Kuwait over debts he owed while also threatening the Saudis oil supply too.

These same left-wing nuts picked Joe Lieberman for VP all the time knowing he would ditch the Democrap party later....because they are just that smart in their own minds.

"There were few if any reservations evident in the range of weapons which President Ronald Reagan, and his successor George W. H. Bush were willing to sell Saddam Hussein.

"Under the Arms Export Control Act of 1976, the foreign sale of munitions and other defense equipment and technology are controlled by the Department of State. During the 1980s, such items could not be sold or diverted to Communist states, nor to those on the U.S. list of terrorist-supporting countries.

"When Iraq came off that list in 1982, however, some $48 million of items such as data privacy devices, voice scramblers, communication and navigation equipment, electronic components, image intensifiers and pistols (to protect Saddam) were approved for sale during 1985-90.

"But it was through the purchase of $1.5 billion of American "dual-use items," having, sometimes arguably, both military and civilian functions, that Iraq obtained the bulk of it weapons of mass destruction in the late 80s. 'Duel-use items' are controlled and licensed by the Department of Commerce under the Export Administration Act of 1979. This is where the real damage was done."

Who Armed Iraq? » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

What does the events of the 80s have to do with Kuwait?
Saddams surrender?
Ignoring terms of surrender (survival)
9-11
Al Qaeda taking up arms in Iraq prior to invasion?
550 metric tons of yellow cake in Iraq?
Harboring as well financing numerous terrorist organizations
torture
rape
murder (NY times claims 2 million)

Why do you people defends this maniac so much?

 

[jillian]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

1.destabilized middle east

2. gave power to islamic fundamentalists

3. removed the only thing keeping iran under control.

4. unnecessary expenditure of funds that helped lead to our economic problems.

5. running of unnecessary war of choice while cutting taxes during wartime for the only time in recorded history... also lead to our economic problems giving china greater hold over us b/c it holds so much of our debt.

seems you missed a few things.

 

[Peach]

It's pathetic seeing scum like Peach and other liberals here talk shit about the mission carried about by the US military in Iraq. The US military that in majority supported removing Saddam from power after Bush SR failed to do it in the 90s.

So when you didn't serve a minute in the military and especially didn't do shit compared to me in helping remove Saddam from power.....shut the fuck up.

No thanks, this is still America despite the best efforts of the rabids. And you post while serving? Hard to accept. I lived on, or near, more military bases than you have ever seen. Father, 20 years in; sister, a disabled Vet. Sell your fairy tales elsewhere.

 

[GoneBezerk]

The internet has given idiots like you the thought that you are somehow smart.

Destablilzed the middle east?

Islamic fundies now run Iraq?

The revenues into the US Treasury increased from the Bush tax cuts.

You are a shining example of birth control needs to be widespread.

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

1.destabilized middle east

2. gave power to islamic fundamentalists

3. removed the only thing keeping iran under control.

4. unnecessary expenditure of funds that helped lead to our economic problems.

5. running of unnecessary war of choice while cutting taxes during wartime for the only time in recorded history... also lead to our economic problems giving china greater hold over us b/c it holds so much of our debt.

seems you missed a few things.

 

[Dick Tuck]

Colin Powell outlined the UN:

1) Saddam's refusal to follow UN inspections of his WMD program.

UN Inspectors, including Americans, stated that he was in substantial compliance.

2) Saddam's support for suicide bombers attacking Israel.

Saddam supported the families of suicide bomber, by giving them a grubstake, after the policy was to raze the homes of idiots. Was there any due process? Saddam was an assmonkey, but was it cause to go to war?

3) Saddam's human rights violations inside Iraq.

Saddam was a douchebag, but comes out a piker when we see the theocrats taking over. Did Saddam whip women for not covering their hair? Nah, he wanted a secular state, which is something that the right wing theocrates hate.

4) Saddam's violations of the No Fly Zone.

Perhaps, but it was a chump excuse to go Full Monty on them. Being douchbags against their own people isn't a reason to commit hundreds of thousands of troops.

Nothing about the dildoist society of Iraq justified what we spent in lives and treasure.

What did the Bush administration tell us it was going to cost?

 

[JRK]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

1.destabilized middle east

2. gave power to islamic fundamentalists

3. removed the only thing keeping iran under control.

4. unnecessary expenditure of funds that helped lead to our economic problems.

5. running of unnecessary war of choice while cutting taxes during wartime for the only time in recorded history... also lead to our economic problems giving china greater hold over us b/c it holds so much of our debt.

seems you missed a few things.

1) removing a person who was responsible for the murder of 2 million people made the region more un stable? A "man" who provided funds for a number of terrorist organisations?
Human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2) The Iraqi people voted those people into power. Of course you have proof that there who U say they are
3) Iran? under control from Iraq? okay
4) Iraq caused people to loan other people money they could not pay back? explain that one to us. BHO added more money to our debt X 5 in 3 years than Iraq cost us in the entire event
5) Taxes? we were within 163 billion of a balanced budget in 2007, the last GOP budget. Job loss and adding 1 trillion dollars to our budget from 2007 -2010 is why we have such a huge deficit along with millions of jobs lost, not the war in Iraq

You dis agree? thats your right
What would you have done with the Al Qaeda that was setting up base there in 2002?

 

[GoneBezerk]

Dumbfuck.....my dad did 22 years in the military + my time.

You = zero military time.

You're the shitheads that act like you're in the military because your daddy was in the military.

The US military says "Fuck You" regarding your comments about the Iraq war.

It's pathetic seeing scum like Peach and other liberals here talk shit about the mission carried about by the US military in Iraq. The US military that in majority supported removing Saddam from power after Bush SR failed to do it in the 90s.

So when you didn't serve a minute in the military and especially didn't do shit compared to me in helping remove Saddam from power.....shut the fuck up.

No thanks, this is still America despite the best efforts of the rabids. And you post while serving? Hard to accept. I lived on, or near, more military bases than you have ever seen. Father, 20 years in; sister, a disabled Vet. Sell your fairy tales elsewhere.

 

[GoneBezerk]

You're full of shit, as usual.

We all know you liked Saddam helping the suicide bombers kill "Jews."

Colin Powell outlined the UN:

1) Saddam's refusal to follow UN inspections of his WMD program.

UN Inspectors, including Americans, stated that he was in substantial compliance.

2) Saddam's support for suicide bombers attacking Israel.

Saddam supported the families of suicide bomber, by giving them a grubstake, after the policy was to raze the homes of idiots. Was there any due process? Saddam was an assmonkey, but was it cause to go to war?

3) Saddam's human rights violations inside Iraq.

Saddam was a douchebag, but comes out a piker when we see the theocrats taking over. Did Saddam whip women for not covering their hair? Nah, he wanted a secular state, which is something that the right wing theocrates hate.

4) Saddam's violations of the No Fly Zone.

Perhaps, but it was a chump excuse to go Full Monty on them. Being douchbags against their own people isn't a reason to commit hundreds of thousands of troops.

Nothing about the dildoist society of Iraq justified what we spent in lives and treasure.

What did the Bush administration tell us it was going to cost?

 

[Peach]

Curse, large font, and pretend all you wish; this remains one of the worst military mistakes in US history.