Will America Go Communist?

[georgephillip]

None, moron. You're blaming capitalism for things it isn't responsible for.

What has capitalism accomplished in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan over the last twenty years?

So Much Winning.

 

[georgephillip]

Clean air and water far outweigh any affect on the economy. To top it off it costs nothing to run a business cleanly....nothing. and big pharma is ripping us off like big oil.

Capitalism serves private interests at public expense:

Possibly, capitalism's fundamental problem is one of definition?

A Criticism of Diminishing Returns.

"...by putting forth the scarcity element of economics as the dominant theme, when in reality economics should be seen as the study of managing surplus.

"Why does poverty exist inside abundance?

 

[theHawk]

Don't ask Bernie.
Ask Trotsky or Trump.
From 1934:

"Introduction from Fourth International

"The campaign against Marxist ideas sponsored by the capitalist witchhunters today aims to implant the false impression that Communism is completely alien to American life and opposed to the welfare of the American people.

"In the Thirties, during the rapid spread of anti-capitalist feelings following the Great Depression, there was considerable popular interest in the prospects of a Communist America.

"On this account the editors of Liberty Magazine turned to Leon Trotsky for a bird’s-eye view of what the Communist future holds for the United States..."

"'At present most Americans regard communism solely in the light of the experience of the Soviet Union.

"'They fear lest Sovietism in America would produce the same material result as it has brought for the culturally backward peoples of the Soviet Union...."

"Actually American soviets will be as different from the Russian soviets as the United States of President Roosevelt differs from the Russian Empire of Czar Nicholas II.

"Yet communism can come in America only through revolution, just as independence and democracy came in America.

"The American temperament is energetic and violent, and it will insist on breaking a good many dishes and upsetting a good many apple carts before communism is firmly established.

"Americans are enthusiasts and sportsmen before they are specialists and statesmen, and it would be contrary to the American tradition to make a major change without choosing sides and cracking heads."

Will Trump upset the capitalists' apple carts?

How many heads will crack before next November?

Leon Trotsky: If America Should Go Communist (1934)

Don’t worry, if the commies manage to usurp the White House and Congress, patriots will be ready with their assault rifles to provide fertilizer for the tree of liberty.

 

[georgephillip]

Don’t worry, if the commies manage to usurp the White House and Congress, patriots will be ready with their assault rifles to provide fertilizer for the tree of liberty.

Got many of these?

 

[bripat9643]

The cleaner the better. I can't imagine regressing economically, culturally, and environmentally like China.

Wrong, it's not "the cleaner the better." it's "clean enough without costing us a fortune." If getting rid of 98.0% of the pollution costs $500 billion, and getting rid of 99.9% costs $10 trillion, then the first option is the better one.

 

[bripat9643]

You're blaming capitalism for things it isn't responsible for.

It's responsible for QE4, QE3, QE2, QE1

and if you didn't hear me that's .......

QE4, QE3, QE2, QE1

~S~

Wrong. Government is responsible for quantitative easy, not capitalism.

 

[bripat9643]

None, moron. You're blaming capitalism for things it isn't responsible for.

What has capitalism accomplished in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan over the last twenty years?

So Much Winning.

They don't have capitalism, so why do you ask?

 

[bripat9643]

Capitalism's main problem right now is that so many who think they're defending it are doing such a shitty job.

This pseudo/quasi-libertarianism that has consumed the GOP since the days of Reagan is making capitalism ripe for the picking.

These people really should be receiving Thank You cards from those who want socialism or communism, for the assistance.
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How do you think capitalism will react if Bernie moves into the White House and he lifts restrictions on US imports of prescription drugs from Canada and bans the export of crude oil?

The American standard of living will go down, of course.

The American standard of living will go down, of course.

Lower prescription drug prices and cleaner water and air lower the American standard of living? Who told you that?

Yes they do, moron. Cleaning our air and water beyond the point of diminishing returns is immensely expensive. Price controls on drugs that eliminate profits means no new life saving drugs.

Yes they do, moron. Cleaning our air and water beyond the point of diminishing returns is immensely expensive. Price controls on drugs that eliminate profits means no new life saving drugs.

How does diminishing returns relate to the profit motive? How does that trump human needs for clean air and water?

A Criticism of Diminishing Returns.

"Despite being such an important thesis in modern economics, this law has not been the result of intense debate, repetition of refutation, or current revolutionary discoveries.

"In fact, it is one of the oldest hypothesis in the economic field, dating back to the 18th century.

"Economists, with a few exceptions such as Karl Marx, have unquestionably ingested it and have been faithful to it throughout the centuries, building their modern models on top of this ancient axiom.

"Moreover, many economists argue that the present stage of prolonged stagnation in most developed economies is due to full employment of production factors; in other words, returns tend to fall with an increase in input."

It's hilarious that you attack the law of diminishing returns and then blame it for the so-called "stagnation" of capitalism. Diminishing returns is simply a fact.

Government is responsible for the "stagnation" we see today.

 

[bripat9643]

You sure like to toss names aroun like a middle school girl. That the best you got? He had no basis for many accusations and is a blight on our history. And capitalism is alive and well. Communism and socialism will never get so much as a tiny foothold here. But fear rhetoric will always be around.

Wait. Let me get this right: You're defending Stalin?

 

[yidnar]

Capitalism's main problem right now is that so many who think they're defending it are doing such a shitty job.

This pseudo/quasi-libertarianism that has consumed the GOP since the days of Reagan is making capitalism ripe for the picking.

These people really should be receiving Thank You cards from those who want socialism or communism, for the assistance.
.

why do you trust the government to make life better ...... the free market has done more to lift people out of poverty than any other system ..no its not perfect but communism has given very few examples of making lives better ...its not safe to give government officials total control of our lives.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

GeorgePhillip is a retard.......but for the first time ever, he's probably correct.

On the trajectory America is currently on.......Communism is not out of the question.......eventually. Disagree? Explain what stands in the way.
You can't. Corruption is on the rise along with a decline in the work ethics needed to maintain a nation like this. And with it the loss of control over our borders and culture. Just a matter of time. The first major crushing swing will occur when food shortages start.

Not in our lifetimes, but not too terribly long after.......likely.

If you could come back in 100-150 years you'd probably not recognize America from Venezuela or Cuba.

Democrats may lose THIS November, but there's a fast growing generation of really dumb Americans on the horizon as the old guard dies off.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Capitalism's main problem right now is that so many who think they're defending it are doing such a shitty job.

This pseudo/quasi-libertarianism that has consumed the GOP since the days of Reagan is making capitalism ripe for the picking.

These people really should be receiving Thank You cards from those who want socialism or communism, for the assistance.
.

why do you trust the government to make life better ...... the free market has done more to lift people out of poverty than any other system ..no its not perfect but communism has given very few examples of making lives better ...its not safe to give government officials total control of our lives.

They will cite China as a glowing example of the success of Communism. Knowing nothing of the brutality, lack of liberty and horrors people face there.

 

[georgephillip]

Regressing? China's engagement with socialism, regressed everything. Right now they are recovering from it.

How did British capitalism regress China?

British Imperialism in China | Guided History

"The primary motive of British imperialism in China in the nineteenth century was economic.

"There was a high demand for Chinese tea, silk and porcelain in the British market.

"However, Britain did not possess sufficient silver to trade with the Qing Empire.

"Thus, a system of barter based on Indian opium was created to bridge this problem of payment.

"The subsequent exponential increase of opium in China between 1790 and 1832 brought about a generation of addicts and social instability."

 

[Andylusion]

I never thought a candidate like Bernie would ever gain any traction at all...all I can say is wow pretty bizarre but it's good in the end

Yeah, he's ideology has only slaughtered literally millions of people, even to this present day.... but it's good in the end.

.... left-wingers, the only group that can be honestly classified as a mass mental illness.

 

[Andylusion]

Regressing? China's engagement with socialism, regressed everything. Right now they are recovering from it.

How did British capitalism regress China?

British Imperialism in China | Guided History

"The primary motive of British imperialism in China in the nineteenth century was economic.

"There was a high demand for Chinese tea, silk and porcelain in the British market.

"However, Britain did not possess sufficient silver to trade with the Qing Empire.

"Thus, a system of barter based on Indian opium was created to bridge this problem of payment.

"The subsequent exponential increase of opium in China between 1790 and 1832 brought about a generation of addicts and social instability."

Right, the problem is China was declining BEFORE the British involvement. Further, before Communist China, but after the end of the Opium wars, China was by any possible measure, better off. The farm communes produced a fraction of the food that the private farm prior to, had produced. The Chairman Mao attack on culture, destroyed tons of the cultural heritage China had prior to the communist destruction.

And the great leap forward in the 50s to 60s, resulted in mass starvation. Local officials, fearing being slaughtered for not producing food according to the arrogant and oblivious chairman mao grand claims, ended up sending surplus food that didn't exist, namely the food the farmers themselves needed to live on. The result was the poorest people, and the food producing people, of the Chinese economy, being systematically left for starvation.

You foolish ignorant, and useless socialists, can spin and obfuscate until the end of time... the fact is, no one else can be blamed for the failure of your bad socialist system, but you and those like you.

 

[Andylusion]

Capitalism's main problem right now is that so many who think they're defending it are doing such a shitty job.

This pseudo/quasi-libertarianism that has consumed the GOP since the days of Reagan is making capitalism ripe for the picking.

These people really should be receiving Thank You cards from those who want socialism or communism, for the assistance.
.

why do you trust the government to make life better ...... the free market has done more to lift people out of poverty than any other system ..no its not perfect but communism has given very few examples of making lives better ...its not safe to give government officials total control of our lives.

They will cite China as a glowing example of the success of Communism. Knowing nothing of the brutality, lack of liberty and horrors people face there.

Yeah, and it's hilarious because the only growth and improvement in the Chinese economy, is entirely due to them embracing capitalism. They still don't have any political freedom whatsoever, but they most certainly have a ton more economic freedom than ever before, and it has resulted in growth, and improved living standards.

 

[yidnar]

Regressing? China's engagement with socialism, regressed everything. Right now they are recovering from it.

How did British capitalism regress China?

British Imperialism in China | Guided History

"The primary motive of British imperialism in China in the nineteenth century was economic.

"There was a high demand for Chinese tea, silk and porcelain in the British market.

"However, Britain did not possess sufficient silver to trade with the Qing Empire.

"Thus, a system of barter based on Indian opium was created to bridge this problem of payment.

"The subsequent exponential increase of opium in China between 1790 and 1832 brought about a generation of addicts and social instability."

Right, the problem is China was declining BEFORE the British involvement. Further, before Communist China, but after the end of the Opium wars, China was by any possible measure, better off. The farm communes produced a fraction of the food that the private farm prior to, had produced. The Chairman Mao attack on culture, destroyed tons of the cultural heritage China had prior to the communist destruction.

And the great leap forward in the 50s to 60s, resulted in mass starvation. Local officials, fearing being slaughtered for not producing food according to the arrogant and oblivious chairman mao grand claims, ended up sending surplus food that didn't exist, namely the food the farmers themselves needed to live on. The result was the poorest people, and the food producing people, of the Chinese economy, being systematically left for starvation.

You foolish ignorant, and useless socialists, can spin and obfuscate until the end of time... the fact is, no one else can be blamed for the failure of your bad socialist system, but you and those like you.

the reason the left embraces socialism is because of a deep hatred they have for people who are more successful than they are ! Bernie the Bum Sanders new held a job and was viewed as a dead beat by his friends .

 

[theHawk]

Don’t worry, if the commies manage to usurp the White House and Congress, patriots will be ready with their assault rifles to provide fertilizer for the tree of liberty.

Got many of these?

I think it’s a safe bet the pilot of that isn’t a raging communist like you.

 

[Bruce Daniels]

Don't ask Bernie.
Ask Trotsky or Trump.
From 1934:

"Introduction from Fourth International

"The campaign against Marxist ideas sponsored by the capitalist witchhunters today aims to implant the false impression that Communism is completely alien to American life and opposed to the welfare of the American people.

"In the Thirties, during the rapid spread of anti-capitalist feelings following the Great Depression, there was considerable popular interest in the prospects of a Communist America.

"On this account the editors of Liberty Magazine turned to Leon Trotsky for a bird’s-eye view of what the Communist future holds for the United States..."

"'At present most Americans regard communism solely in the light of the experience of the Soviet Union.

"'They fear lest Sovietism in America would produce the same material result as it has brought for the culturally backward peoples of the Soviet Union...."

"Actually American soviets will be as different from the Russian soviets as the United States of President Roosevelt differs from the Russian Empire of Czar Nicholas II.

"Yet communism can come in America only through revolution, just as independence and democracy came in America.

"The American temperament is energetic and violent, and it will insist on breaking a good many dishes and upsetting a good many apple carts before communism is firmly established.

"Americans are enthusiasts and sportsmen before they are specialists and statesmen, and it would be contrary to the American tradition to make a major change without choosing sides and cracking heads."

Will Trump upset the capitalists' apple carts?

How many heads will crack before next November?

Leon Trotsky: If America Should Go Communist (1934)

What year are you living in?

 

[Mac1958]

Capitalism's main problem right now is that so many who think they're defending it are doing such a shitty job.

This pseudo/quasi-libertarianism that has consumed the GOP since the days of Reagan is making capitalism ripe for the picking.

These people really should be receiving Thank You cards from those who want socialism or communism, for the assistance.
.

why do you trust the government to make life better ...... the free market has done more to lift people out of poverty than any other system ..no its not perfect but communism has given very few examples of making lives better ...its not safe to give government officials total control of our lives.

I don't trust the government to make life better. I just realize that (a) proper & effective regulation is a key component of capitalism, not an evil, and (b) refusing to admit that obvious fact has given the socialists and the communists so much ammunition that they're a real threat now.
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