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Different, significantly.My point is that you clearly don't understand how the full Medicare system works, and unless/until you do, trying to discuss it with you is pointless.Medicare doesn't pay for all your health care. It has gaps, and co-insurance. It also has no built-in drug plan or out of pocket maximums.No, I'm against Single Payer.
If you don't know the difference between our current Medicare system and Single Payer, go and educate yourself.
If I use Medicare, which I do, other than the government, who pays for my health care?
Since my retirement, I have used more than double everything I ever paid into Medicare. By the time I croak, that could rise to three or four times easily. How do you propose that is paid for by other taxpayers?
If you have a Medicare Supplement to cover those gaps, you're going through an insurance company. If you have a Medicare Advantage plan, that is a partnership between CMS and the insurer.
Very, very few people have Medicare alone.
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Your point?
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CLEARLY!The countries whose health care you lust for, say Canada and Great Britain, they too have supplemental health insurance and private, cash only, physicians.
what is the most market friendly?I think the very next time the dems the presidency and both chambers of Congress we’re headed for single payer healthcare.
I have always been torn on this issue. I have paid up to $25,000 per year for health insurance premiums. If we had Medicare for all, I would pay higher taxes instead of the premium, but would the new tax exceed the $25,000? I have no idea how it would really effect anyone.
Here's your answer. I prepared this, based on real numbers, a couple of years ago before our tax-cut.
Most people don't live in Florida or make 100K. So you really had to cherry pick your numbers to make Single Payer look worse.
Here's the reality- The US Spends 17% of it's GDP on health care.
Canada spends about 11%.
Most of us would benefit greatly from single payer. It would kind of suck for the rich, they'd actually have to pay their fair share. I'll lose about five minutes of sleep over that.
I think the very next time the dems the presidency and both chambers of Congress we’re headed for single payer healthcare.
Different, significantly.My point is that you clearly don't understand how the full Medicare system works, and unless/until you do, trying to discuss it with you is pointless.Medicare doesn't pay for all your health care. It has gaps, and co-insurance. It also has no built-in drug plan or out of pocket maximums.If I use Medicare, which I do, other than the government, who pays for my health care?
Since my retirement, I have used more than double everything I ever paid into Medicare. By the time I croak, that could rise to three or four times easily. How do you propose that is paid for by other taxpayers?
If you have a Medicare Supplement to cover those gaps, you're going through an insurance company. If you have a Medicare Advantage plan, that is a partnership between CMS and the insurer.
Very, very few people have Medicare alone.
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Your point?
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CLEARLY!
But of course, you wouldn't know that.
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I've already elaborated on this thread. I've also specified my professional experience in this area. Look it up.Different, significantly.My point is that you clearly don't understand how the full Medicare system works, and unless/until you do, trying to discuss it with you is pointless.Medicare doesn't pay for all your health care. It has gaps, and co-insurance. It also has no built-in drug plan or out of pocket maximums.
If you have a Medicare Supplement to cover those gaps, you're going through an insurance company. If you have a Medicare Advantage plan, that is a partnership between CMS and the insurer.
Very, very few people have Medicare alone.
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Your point?
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CLEARLY!
But of course, you wouldn't know that.
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Please elaborate. Specifically, with your reliable source and working link thank you.
If it meant no more medical bills, no more insurance payments...yes, the American taxpayer would accept that.The US is already projected to spend at least $35 trillion on health care over the next ten years.32.6 trillion in ten years!I think the very next time the dems the presidency and both chambers of Congress we’re headed for single payer healthcare.
Right, so where would we collect an additional $32.6 TRILLION over those 10 years? Do you think that more than doubling our current taxes would be accepted by the American taxpayer?
I've said many times that the day Donald Trump unveils a plan for single payer health care, the pseudocons will be all for it three milliseconds later.I think the very next time the dems the presidency and both chambers of Congress we’re headed for single payer healthcare.
It will happen if Trump wins a second term. He has always favored single payer.
And when it is his idea all of his sheep will say it is the best idea ever
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wrong, it will never happen, the country cant afford it and Trump knows that.
your boy in the White House has always been a fan of it...and when he says it is good thing you will be on here telling us how amazing it is
the money is not really the problem.
We spend 3.5 trillion dollars a year on healthcare now. I have not seen any estimates for singer payer that was higher than that
I still remember when tards just like you were claiming Obamacare would rip healthcare insurance away from 93 million Americans.FACT: The Bernie/Kamala 'Single Payer' Scheme Would Rip Healthcare Plans Away From 177 MILLION Americans
Is either one of these 2 Socialists going to have the 'b@lls' to pull an 'Obama' - promise people if they like their plans they can keep them anyway?!
My dad uses VA and he is extremely happy with it. He uses it often. I know a lot of vets who use it and are very happy with it. They prefer it over their company health care program.Look no further than our VA system to decide if single payer will work.
It is my belief we need to raise the Social Security and Medicare eligibility age to 70 and index it to 9 percent of the population going forward.No, I'm against Single Payer.
If you don't know the difference between our current Medicare system and Single Payer, go and educate yourself.
If I use Medicare, which I do, other than the government, who pays for my health care?
Since my retirement, I have used more than double everything I ever paid into Medicare. By the time I croak, that could rise to three or four times easily. How do you propose that is paid for by other taxpayers?
COMMIEIt is my belief we need to raise the Social Security and Medicare eligibility age to 70 and index it to 9 percent of the population going forward.No, I'm against Single Payer.
If you don't know the difference between our current Medicare system and Single Payer, go and educate yourself.
If I use Medicare, which I do, other than the government, who pays for my health care?
Since my retirement, I have used more than double everything I ever paid into Medicare. By the time I croak, that could rise to three or four times easily. How do you propose that is paid for by other taxpayers?
We are living DECADES longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer. Common sense.
They give simplistic dipshits like yourself little bullet points to parrot because you have the intellectual bandwidth of a bumper sticker./----/ The best Single Payer is: You buy it - You pay for it.I think the very next time the dems the presidency and both chambers of Congress we’re headed for single payer healthcare.
In the beginning of their single payer program, Canada didn't have private health insurance. Private health insurance was actually outlawed. But then a lawsuit went all the way to Canada's supreme court.My point is that you clearly don't understand how the full Medicare system works, and unless/until you do, trying to discuss it with you is pointless.Medicare doesn't pay for all your health care. It has gaps, and co-insurance. It also has no built-in drug plan or out of pocket maximums.No, I'm against Single Payer.
If you don't know the difference between our current Medicare system and Single Payer, go and educate yourself.
If I use Medicare, which I do, other than the government, who pays for my health care?
Since my retirement, I have used more than double everything I ever paid into Medicare. By the time I croak, that could rise to three or four times easily. How do you propose that is paid for by other taxpayers?
If you have a Medicare Supplement to cover those gaps, you're going through an insurance company. If you have a Medicare Advantage plan, that is a partnership between CMS and the insurer.
Very, very few people have Medicare alone.
.
Your point?
.
CLEARLY!
Nope.Not real simple. The government will take ownership of all the hospitals. All those employees will become employed by the government. The government will set all pricing and determine all procedures. Research and development - gone."Medicare for All" is just a political line. What they're after is pure Single Payer, not "Medicare (as it actually exists) for All".Medicare for All would be a windfall for insurance companies.
In other words, they're lying.
Exactly. The single biggest selling point of "Medicare for All" is that it's a simple expansion of an existing system, that it requires no new infrastructure. And that's probably how it will play out, despite the intent.
And compensation to MA companies can easily be fixed. It's an issue that can be addressed. We can't just see a problem and give up. When did that start happening?
We can at least recognize our past mistakes and not double down on stupid.
We are living DECADES longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer
sure, many have that outcome, but there also millions who paid in but did not live long enough to ever collect anything, much like social security. and it is true that both categories paid into it their entire working lives as are those who are working today.
