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where is your link Dean?.....i had Republicans on my route who gave quite a bit to battered and homeless women at a shelter they ran....or is this more of your bullshit that you cant prove?....Do you honestly think that Gosnell would have been giving ultrasounds in accordance with this law and magically his clinic would have become safe, up to standards, and legal?
You people want to make all abortion illegal. Why are you pretending otherwise?
It SHOULD be illegal - it is murder
Oh come on. You don't care about kids. Republicans don't want to help anyone. They call it "socialism". This is about "controlling women" and "being bullies" from the party of "let him die".
The way to really limit abortions is for women to change their minds and not have them. That's the real objection to ultrasounds. A woman contemplating an abortion might change her mind and not have one. How DARE she decide not to have an abortion.
So, once again. Have any of you liberals actually read the law yet? If so please show us where it says women will be forced to have this "invasive" ultrasound.
Again I also have to ask, is this proceedure really any more invasive than having a baby burned out of your uterus and then vacuumed out?
Do you honestly think that Gosnell would have been giving ultrasounds in accordance with this law and magically his clinic would have become safe, up to standards, and legal?
You people want to make all abortion illegal. Why are you pretending otherwise?
It SHOULD be illegal - it is murder
Abortion should be illegal in all but the most exigent circumstance. Gosnell isn't even relevant here as it goes. He violated women, he didn't treat them. He turned their desperation into profit.
Wisconsin Republicans: Forcing Women To Undergo Transvaginal Ultrasounds Is Our 'Priority'
At the Wisconsin Right to Life Legislative Conference this week, the states top Republican lawmakers assured attendees that they will do everything in their power to enact a forced ultrasound bill, which would mandate an invasive transvaginal probe for some women seeking first-trimester abortions. This bill is a priority, Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R) said. It is long overdue.
Wisconsin fans of small government go big when it comes to the uterus
There's some discussion that Republicans will bring this up in the house in a week or two.
Assembly Assistant Minority Leader Sandy Pasch (D-Shorewood), a nurse, says these are not the issues that should top the legislative agenda. "Especially when Wisconsin remains 44th in the nation in job growth, 45th in wage growth and dead last in short-term job growth, it is stunning how Wisconsin Republicans are more interested in blocking access to health care services that women need than focusing on the real issues facing women and Wisconsin families."
Wisconsin Republicans ready slew of abortion bills
Jobs - no
Education - no
Deficit - no
Wars - maybe
Immigration - no
Sticking it to women - YES! YES! YES!
That's messed up.
I couldn't make this this up. It would never occur to me.
Lyons warned conference attendees that critics will say a vaginal ultrasound is the equivalent of rape. She added that the bill does not require this form of ultrasound.
Right, because abortions are not invasive. I mean sticking a vaginal vacuum into a woman's cervix after going into her vagina to suck out her unborn baby is not invasive, but going only into her vagina is...
An internal ultrasound is not necessary, and there is no medical reason why she needs to have one.
Force men to have a rectal exam before they get a prescription for Viagra, see how they howl the roof down then.
The way to really limit abortions is for women to change their minds and not have them. That's the real objection to ultrasounds. A woman contemplating an abortion might change her mind and not have one. How DARE she decide not to have an abortion.
The way to really limit abortions is for women to change their minds and not have them. That's the real objection to ultrasounds. A woman contemplating an abortion might change her mind and not have one. How DARE she decide not to have an abortion.
So, once again. Have any of you liberals actually read the law yet? If so please show us where it says women will be forced to have this "invasive" ultrasound.
Again I also have to ask, is this proceedure really any more invasive than having a baby burned out of your uterus and then vacuumed out?
Where in this country are women forced by law to have abortions?
The way to really limit abortions is for women to change their minds and not have them. That's the real objection to ultrasounds. A woman contemplating an abortion might change her mind and not have one. How DARE she decide not to have an abortion.
It's unconstitutional to put undue restrictions on abortion before fetal viability if the motive for the restriction is simply to support the State's interest in a potential life.
The way to really limit abortions is for women to change their minds and not have them. That's the real objection to ultrasounds. A woman contemplating an abortion might change her mind and not have one. How DARE she decide not to have an abortion.
No, the real objection is that it is emotional torture, trying to torture women into not having the abortion she came in there to get. It's definitely cruel and unusual punishment.
How about this: let her ask for it voluntarily. The clinic pamphlet can say that a woman can receive a vaginal ultrasound if she wants to see the fetus before aborting, she can sign up for it.
How many do you suppose would do that? 1%?
Forcing women to undergo this is incredibly cruel and immoral. Hey, make it illegal if you can (you can't) but knock off the Mickey Mouse meanness stuff.
The way to really limit abortions is for women to change their minds and not have them. That's the real objection to ultrasounds. A woman contemplating an abortion might change her mind and not have one. How DARE she decide not to have an abortion.
No, the real objection is that it is emotional torture, trying to torture women into not having the abortion she came in there to get. It's definitely cruel and unusual punishment.
How about this: let her ask for it voluntarily. The clinic pamphlet can say that a woman can receive a vaginal ultrasound if she wants to see the fetus before aborting, she can sign up for it.
How many do you suppose would do that? 1%?
Forcing women to undergo this is incredibly cruel and immoral. Hey, make it illegal if you can (you can't) but knock off the Mickey Mouse meanness stuff.
yes because educating women before determining to abort a pregnancy is so terrible. Liberals are all for limited government when it comes to the protection of the unborn, but limiting the size of soft drinks, Happy Meal Toys, smoking--they are all for government intrusion. Sickening hypocrites.
You need an vaginal ultrasound in order to educate women about abortion? Don't you think there are more effective, non-invasive ways of doing it, like with a pamphlet?
Don't you think that women that are getting an abortion have already found out what it is all about? Geez, you don't give women much credit, must be a Republican.
Women don't need pamphlets, either, they will be filled with pro life junk. Women can make their own decisions and they don't need men controlling their lives!
The way to really limit abortions is for women to change their minds and not have them. That's the real objection to ultrasounds. A woman contemplating an abortion might change her mind and not have one. How DARE she decide not to have an abortion.
No, the real objection is that it is emotional torture, trying to torture women into not having the abortion she came in there to get. It's definitely cruel and unusual punishment.
How about this: let her ask for it voluntarily. The clinic pamphlet can say that a woman can receive a vaginal ultrasound if she wants to see the fetus before aborting, she can sign up for it.
How many do you suppose would do that? 1%?
Forcing women to undergo this is incredibly cruel and immoral. Hey, make it illegal if you can (you can't) but knock off the Mickey Mouse meanness stuff.
CaféAuLait;7402277 said:Yet, this bill does NOT require a transvaginal ultrasound, it is clearly stated in the article and linked to above.
The way to really limit abortions is for women to change their minds and not have them. That's the real objection to ultrasounds. A woman contemplating an abortion might change her mind and not have one. How DARE she decide not to have an abortion.
No, the real objection is that it is emotional torture, trying to torture women into not having the abortion she came in there to get. It's definitely cruel and unusual punishment.
How about this: let her ask for it voluntarily. The clinic pamphlet can say that a woman can receive a vaginal ultrasound if she wants to see the fetus before aborting, she can sign up for it.
How many do you suppose would do that? 1%?
Forcing women to undergo this is incredibly cruel and immoral. Hey, make it illegal if you can (you can't) but knock off the Mickey Mouse meanness stuff.
omg...cruel and immoral..can you be any more dramatic?
...you ever have a pap smear?
if you want I'll give you the details and then you can judge if it's cruel and immoral..good grief
CaféAuLait;7402277 said:Yet, this bill does NOT require a transvaginal ultrasound, it is clearly stated in the article and linked to above.
The thread title is 'Wisconsin GOP: Forcing Women To Undergo Transvaginal Ultrasounds Is Our Priority"' and that is what we are responding to. Certainly a few states with Neanderthaler legislators have tried that on. Usually it's defeated but who knows what could happen.
I don't know what has gone wrong with the GOP. It's just very sad how totalitarian they have become.
Why can't people just mind their own damn business? Why do you antiabortionists want to control everyone else, at least if they are women? Would you want people to constantly control you like this?
Lyons warned conference attendees that critics will say a vaginal ultrasound is the equivalent of rape. She added that the bill does not require this form of ultrasound.
No, the real objection is that it is emotional torture, trying to torture women into not having the abortion she came in there to get. It's definitely cruel and unusual punishment.
How about this: let her ask for it voluntarily. The clinic pamphlet can say that a woman can receive a vaginal ultrasound if she wants to see the fetus before aborting, she can sign up for it.
How many do you suppose would do that? 1%?
Forcing women to undergo this is incredibly cruel and immoral. Hey, make it illegal if you can (you can't) but knock off the Mickey Mouse meanness stuff.
omg...cruel and immoral..can you be any more dramatic?
...you ever have a pap smear?
if you want I'll give you the details and then you can judge if it's cruel and immoral..good grief
Killing one's baby is NOT cruel and immoral, it's a "choice", VIEWING the baby while she is still alive on a screen is
Can it be more hypocritical?
