Would you Prefer that your kids go to a Majority White or Majority Black School?

Would you Prefer that your kids go to a Majority White or Majority Black School?


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As far as a "perception of racism" and a "rejection of western culture", if this message board could be characterized as a microcosm of society, it is not the few black posters that I see here surfacing the majority of complaints of racism being leveled at them, and as far a rejection of western culture, for those of us posting here who are 55 years of age or older, we were quetly and subversively taught from an early age, through what was portrayed in the media and taught in schools that having pride in our own heritage and history, was essentially a "disparagement of western culture".

Your heritage and culture? Modern black culture in America is a fictional culture made out of thin air as a rebellion against western/white culture. Although every culture has its faults and vices, the rebellion against white culture by blacks was largely rebellion for rebellions sake. This was especially true in the 60's and 70's whereas more and more blacks were turning to radicalism and Marxism not because of the practicality of it all, but because of there disdain for whites. And although much of that disdain was warranted, what was not was the rejection of the model that worked away from the segregation. What brought about modern black culture was in fact the trashing of the successful parts of white culture simply because they did not appreciate the negative aspects of discrimination then inherent among whites. Indeed, they threw the baby out with the bath water and filled the tub up with a flawed culture founded on whatever they viewed as a means to reject white culture. This encouragement of rejection is what ails the black community today and the result is a rejection of lawful behavior and a continuance of promoting thuggery/drug culture.

Well, I guess that taking three months later to come up with a response is better than none at all.

Anyway to address your "response", I grew up in the late 50's and early 60's so the "culture" that I speak of is vastly different than what you imply.

If you actually think that the cultural revolution in the 1960's was based in a "disdain" for whites, you are seriously mistaken. If anything what prevailed during those decades was a well documented disdain for the rights of black people as citizens of this country.

In the 1960's there were two dominant black organizations. One was the Original Black Panthers which was a politically based organization that actually had support and partnership with many whites. Although the Party emerged from black nationalist movements, ultimately, the Panthers condemned black nationalism as "black racism" and became more ideologically focused on socialist revolution without racial exclusivity.

They instituted a variety of community social programs designed to alleviate poverty, improve health among inner city black communities, and soften the Party's public image

The Black Panther Party's most widely known programs were its armed citizens' patrols to evaluate behavior of police officers and its Free Breakfast for Children program.

The other organization that was present at the time was the US Organization, which I personally belonged to, and it's mission was "The creation, re recreation, and circulation of African American culture".

They hosted cultural shows recreating ancient African dance routines, taught cooking of African recipies, did exhibits of African artwork, taught African languages, and made, wore and sold African attire and jewelry, and taught African self defense techniques.

In every daily meeting that I attended with the US Organization from 1968 until 1975, there was never a minute spent on "disdain" for the white population. That was considered an unproductive waste of time.

They chose to teach us to work within our circle of influence and encourage a revolution within those circles that was cerebral, not violent, and in between all of that we were all required to to pursue higher education, if anything, to be equipped to effectively navigate the "culture" of a then hostile country, that actually hated our presence.

What was taught was appreciation for a culture that was lost when Africans arrived in America, as well as preparing youth with a skill set for existing and making a difference in a new land.

It is obvious that you have not read much over the past few months.

The Organization Us

Are you trying to make my points for me? Dr. Maulana Karenga is the chair of your organization? If anything this complements my theory quite well.

Maulana Karenga - Discover the Networks

MAULANA KARENGA: Founder & Chair of the Organization Us (UNITED SLAVES)

•Socialist activist and black nationalist
•Founder of the militant black power organization United Slaves
•In 1971 was arrested for assaulting and torturing two female members of his organization
•Professor and chairman of the Department of Black Studies at California State University, Long Beach
•Has spoken at the Socialist Scholars Conference
•Creator of the 'African American' holiday Kwanzaa

Born Ron Everett in July 1941, Professor Maulana Karenga has been Chairman of the Department of Black Studies at California State University, Long Beach, since 1989. An activist and Marxist, Karenga is best known for having created the holiday Kwanzaa in 1966. "People think it's African, but it's not," he said about his holiday in an interview quoted in the Washington Post. "I came up with Kwanzaa because black people in this country wouldn't celebrate it if they knew it was American. Also, I put it around Christmas because I knew that's when a lot of bloods would be partying." In the mid-1960s, he gave himself the title “Maulana,” Swahili for “master teacher,” and is now widely referred to simply as Maulana Karenga.

Professing a devotion to combating “systemic racism,” Karenga began his foray into black nationalism in the early 1960s, founding the militant black power organization United Slaves (US) to "provid[e] a philosophy, a set of principles and a program which inspire a personal and social practice that not only satisfies human need but transforms people in the process, making them self-conscious agents of their own life and liberation.”

A number of United Slaves members, among them Karenga, have served prison time for various crimes including murder. In 1969, US was involved in a disagreement with the Black Panthers regarding two candidates who were vying for a directorial position at UCLA’s newly created Afro-American Studies Center. US backed one contender, while the Black Panthers supported another. The dispute ended when two US members shot and killed two members of the Black Panthers.

In 1971, Karenga and US members Louis Smith and Luz Maria Tamayo were convicted of felonious assault and false imprisonment for having tortured two female US members, Gail Davis and Deborah Jones. Following Karenga's subsequent incarceration in a California State prison, US temporarily disbanded before being reestablished by Karenga in 1975.

Notwithstanding the track record of disputes between US and the Black Panthers, Karenga once spoke at an event that featured Black Panther co-founder Bobby Seale -- the 17th annual Black Consciousness Conference in 1996.

In 1977 Karenga devised a cultural philosophy called Kawaida, a Swahili term for "tradition" and "reason," from which the holiday Kwanzaa arose. Karenga billed Kwanzaa as an alternative to Christian, Jewish, and Islamic traditions. He asked his followers to follow the seven “principles” of Kwanzaa, known as the “Nguzu Saba,” or the “Seven Principles of Blackness,” which are observed during the seven days of Kwanzaa. The principles are as follows:
•Umoja (Unity): "to strive for and maintain unity in the family, community, nation and race"
•Kujichagulia (Self-Determination): "to define ourselves, name ourselves, create for ourselves and speak for ourselves"
•Ujima (Collective Work and Responsibility): "to build and maintain our community together and make our brother’s and sister’s problems our problems and to solve them together"
•Ujamaa (Cooperative Economics): "to build and maintain our own stores, shops and other businesses and to profit from them together"
•Nia (Purpose): "to make our collective vocation the building and development of our community in order to restore our people to their traditional greatness"
•Kuumba (Creativity): "to do always as much as we can, in the way we can, in order to leave our community more beautiful and beneficial than we inherited it"
•Imani (Faith): "to believe with all our heart in our people, our parents, our teachers, our leaders and the righteousness and victory of our struggle"

In summation, Karenga’s “Seven Principals of Blackness” are the Marxist precepts of parity and proletariat unity. In a 2002 article, Ann Coulter observed further that the seven principles of Kwanzaa are identical to those of the 1970s domestic terrorist group, the Symbionese Liberation Army.

A self-proclaimed “African socialist,” Karenga has said: “One of the most urgent challenge … of our time is the reconstruction of U.S. social policy ... making the U.S. a just and good society in a multicultural and global context. What we have to do in this talking, this ethical vision, has first of all to be separated from the right-wing insistence on morality.”

In 1998 Karenga and United Slaves issued a statement in support of "the Cuban people in their heroic and historic struggle to defend their right of self-determination and to break out of the unjust and immoral economic boycott by the U.S. government."

In Karenga's calculus, capitalism was the cause of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. He writes that “... it is not the material goods some of us have that they [Muslims] hate the U.S. for, but for attempts to impose the materialism of a consumerist society on them, to turn them into homogenized consumers of a McWorld system. And perhaps it is not that they are against freedom and justice and related values, but against the U.S.-imposed interpretation of this. Perhaps, they resent the arrogance of imposition and the inequities imposed by a globalism that grinds them underfoot and denies them a right of self-determination and security that we say are indispensable to us and our allies.”

In a separate assessment of 9/11, Karenga said: "[W]e might discover ... that [the hijackers] did it to: (1) avenge years of state terrorism, mass murder, selective assassination, collective punishment and other forms of oppression by the U.S. and its allies; (2) to demonstrate vulnerability of the U.S. at its crucial centers of power ...; (3) to cause the rulers of the country to fear, to be uncertain and to reverse the role of hunter and hunted; (4) to insist on being heard and considered in human, political and military terms; (5) to demonstrate a capacity to strike regardless of the superior strength and technology of the U.S.; and (6) to dramatize and underline in a highly visible way the asymmetry of suffering between the U.S. and the oppressed in the world."

Karenga has been an outspoken critic of the War in Iraq and the larger War on Terror. In an April 2003 event at Cal State, he called the Iraq War an exercise in "self-aggrandizement" by the U.S. On another occasion he characterized it as “part of a post-9/11 imperial offensive which carries with it racist and colonial conversations and commitments of ‘crusades’ to protect ‘the civilized world’ against ‘dark and evil nations’ in ‘dark corners of the world.’”

Karenga holds two Ph.D.s -- one in Political Science, with a focus on the theory and practice of nationalism (obtained from the United States International University), and one in Social Ethics, with a focus on the classical African ethics of ancient Egypt (obtained from the University of Southern California). He also holds an honorary Doctorate of Philosophy from the University of Durban-Westville, South Africa.

Karenga has been a featured speaker at the Socialist Scholars Conference, which is held each year by the City University of New York’s chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America. Past speakers and panel members have included Michael Moore, Al Sharpton, Noam Chomsky, Ron Dellums, Stanley Aronowitz, John Bellamy Foster, Jerrold Nadler, and Major Owens.

Karenga has authored such books as Introduction to Black Studies, the most widely used introductory text in Black Studies, and Kawaida: A Communitarian African Philosophy. He has received numerous awards, including the National Leadership Award for Outstanding Scholarly Achievements in Black Studies from the National Council for Black Studies, and the Pioneer Award from the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and Citizenship Education Fund.

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BLACK PANTHER PARTY (BPP)

•Violent revolutionary organization of the 1960s and 1970s
•Its members engaged in drug dealing, pimping, rape, extortion, assault, and murder.
•Aimed to harass the police, to protest against “police brutality” and America’s allegedly racist power structure, and ultimately to ignite a violent race war in the United States

In October 1966, Huey P. Newton turned his Oakland, California street gang into the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense. His co-founders in this endeavor were Elbert Howard, Reggie Forte, Sherman Forte, Bobby Seale, and Little Bobby Hutton. The following year, Newton shortened the group's name to, simply, the Black Panther Party (BPP).

To define BPP's mission, Newton wrote a ten-point program stating, among other things, that:
•“The federal government is responsible and obligated to give every man employment or a guaranteed income”;
•“This racist government has robbed us [blacks], and now we are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules”;
•“If the White Landlords will not give decent housing to our Black community, then the housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that our community, with government aid, can build and make decent housing for its people”;
•Education should “expos[e] the true nature of this decadent American society”;
•“Black people should not be forced to fight in the military service to defend a racist government that does not protect us”;
•“All Black people should be released from the many jails and prisons because they have not received a fair and impartial trial”; and
•“All Black people should arm themselves for self-defense.”

In December 1966, seven black militant groups, including BPP's New York contingent, met at the headquarters of the Institute For Policy Studies. There, Panther “minister of culture” Emory Douglas stated:

“The only way to make this racist U.S. government administer justice to the people it is oppressing, is ... by taking up arms against this government, killing the officials, until the reactionary forces ... are dead, and those that are left turn their weapons on their superiors ... thereby passing revolutionary judgment against the number one enemy of all mankind, the racist U.S. government.’”[1]

In a similarly impassioned, late-1960s speech, BPP member David Hilliard
 described the Panthers' ideology as an outgrowth of “the historical experiences of Black people” in “racist, fascist America,” a country “run by a slave oligarchy and brigandish criminals” whose “primary interest is capitalism.” “Translated through Marxism-Leninism,” Hilliard explained, the knowledge born of those historical experiences could serve to animate a justified rebellion against “400 years” of being “victims of the oppressive machinery that gags, binds and chains Black men who speak out in defense of their alleged constitutional rights.” Further, Hilliard denounced contemporary white people and their forebears (collectively) as “genocidal murderers of the Red Man”; “users of the atomic bomb upon the Japanese people”; aggressors in “the genocidal and imperialist war against the Vietnamese people”; perpetrators of “the burning of Blacks on the sacred cross of Christianity”; and “the enslavers and exploiters of Blacks in this country right up until this very day.” Moreover, he derided “the whole damn” Constitution as a document that was “invalid in regards to Blacks in particular.”

A chief BPP priority was to harass police officers under the mask of a “political” program. The “self defense” part of that program involved Panther members appearing in public places heavily armed, as a means of standing up defiantly to “police brutality” and America’s allegedly racist power structure. This—coupled with the Party's anti-police (“pig”) rhetoric—caught the political fancy of Sixties radicals who considered themselves to be at war with the United States and were beginning to flirt with “revolutionary violence.”

To be sure, BPP was engaged in veritable warfare against the police, not merely “defending the people” against them. As BPP leader Eldridge Cleaver told Reason magazine years later (in 1986): "We [Panthers] would go out and ambush cops, but if we got caught we would blame it on them and claim innocence."

Whenever possible, BPP actively sought out opportunities to spark confrontations with police. On February 21, 1967, for instance, Huey Newton provided an armed escort for Betty Shabazz, widow of Malcolm X, during a Bay Area speaking engagement. When newsmen tried to get closer to Shabazz than the Panthers wished to allow, police tried to enforce order with their nightsticks. In response, Newton and his fellow Panthers promptly loaded shells into their shotguns. After a tense standoff of several minutes, both sides backed off. Newton, however, boasted that the Panthers had “won” as a result of their “superior firepower.” The incident propelled Newton and the Panthers to national prominence.

On May 2, 1967, some thirty Party members, armed with rifles and shotguns, marched into the California State Assembly in Sacramento to protest an arms-control law that was under consideration for Oakland. This stunning incident brought BPP still more publicity.

By now the Panthers had become a national phenomenon of a magnitude exceeding that of Martin Luther King and other traditional civil-rights leaders. Militant, action-oriented, and above all ideological, BPP offered something that the rest of the civil rights movement, just then descending into separatism and negritude, did not.

But while they were radical icons by day, by night the Panthers grew into a criminal organization that engaged widely in drug dealing, pimping, extortion, theft, assault, and homicide. Indeed, BPP members were arrested 348 times for murder, armed robbery, rape, and burglary in 1969 alone, as Edward J. Epstein has documented.

Embracing the notion of international working-class unity that transcended barriers of color and gender, the Panthers allied themselves with various minority and white revolutionary groups. Throughout this process, BPP viewed itself as the vanguard of America's radical revolution.

Eldrige Cleaver counseled his fellow Panthers to model their tactics on those of the communist revolutions that had already taken place elsewhere. "If you look around the world," he wrote, "you will see that the only countries which have liberated themselves and managed to withstand the tide of counter-revolution are precisely those countries that have strongly Marxist-Leninist parties."[2]

In 1967 and 1968, BPP members sold Mao Zedong's iconic Red Book to students at UC Berkeley in order to raise funds for the purchase of shotguns.[3] By early 1968, the Party had made the book required reading for all its members.

BPP leaders also studied the works of Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Che Guevara, and Ho Chi Minh for guidance on how to establish revolutionary socialism in the U.S. through mass organizing and community-based programs. But no tract influenced the Panthers more profoundly than did Frantz Fanon’s Wretched of the Earth (1965), which condemned colonialism’s legacy and advocated a peasant-led revolution of "absolute violence" as a means of liberating African people. John Patrick Diggins, author of The Rise and Fall of the American Left, writes that BPP “adopted a 'Marxist-Leninist' amalgam that succeeded in combining nationalism with socialism, preaching self-determination along with class struggle.”[4]

Legislative or political reform were of little interest to the Panthers. The “Political Education Kit” for BPP members stated plainly that the organization was an “armed body” whose primary objective was to “establish Revolutionary Political Power for Black People.”[5]

In August 1967, the FBI instructed its counter-intelligence program, COINTELPRO, to “neutralize” such “Black Nationalist Hate Groups” as BPP. The FBI had only five agents available to monitor BPP activities in the entire Bay Area where the Panthers were based. In these circumstances, the Bureau accused some Panthers of being informers and planted letters containing insults purportedly written by one Panther leader to another. The purpose was to divide the group and decrease the level of violence its members could commit against others. But when one Panther had his life threatened for being a suspected informer, the FBI instructed its agents to cease the practice.

In October 1967 Huey Newton shot and killed Oakland police officer John Frey. The evidence against Newton was beyond dispute. But his attorney, Charles Garry, alleged that because the American justice system, from the police through the courts, was thoroughly infested with racism, it would be impossible for a young black like Newton to get a fair trial anywhere in the country. “The system,” Garry claimed, was responsible for putting so many innocent black males in jeopardy.

During his trial for Frey’s killing, Newton became a national hero to New Leftists everywhere. In December 1967 BPP formed a coalition with the Peace and Freedom Party, which was composed mostly of young whites who opposed the Vietnam War. Out of this coalition, the “Free Huey” movement was created by leftists sympathetic to Newton’s effort to fight back against a satanic United States. "Free Huey!" became as charac*teristic a slogan of the Movement as "Bring the Troops Home." In September 1968 Newton was convicted of voluntary manslaughter for the Frey killing and was sentenced to a prison term of fifteen years.

During the two-plus years that Newton was incarcerated, hundreds of new recruits joined the Black Panther Party, many responding to no deeper political message than the Panthers' most famous slogan, "Off the Pig." New BPP chapters were established all over the United States; many—like those in Chicago and Los Angeles—were the result of ghetto street gangs enrolling en bloc.

BPP's leader in Newton's absence was Eldridge Cleaver, who viewed the Panthers as something akin to the Algerian FLN, an organiza*tion capable of sparking and spearheading an armed revolution. It was no longer enough to merely display weapons; under Cleaver's militarism, it was vital to use them.

In February 1968, Stokely Carmichael, former chairman of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) and a nationally known proponent of Black Power, was recruited into BPP and became its "prime minister." Carmichael adamantly opposed permitting whites to join the “black liberation” movement, a position that ran counter to the Panther view.

In the aftermath of the April 1968 assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., BPP, which rejected King’s belief in nonviolent protest, began to provide its members with military training.

Also in April 1968, thirteen Panthers ambushed an Oakland police car with a spray of gunfire, hitting it with 157 shots and badly wounding one officer.[6]

Five months later, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover described BPP as the single “greatest threat to the internal security of the country.”

By the summer of 1969, the alliance between the Panthers and SNCC began to unravel, in large measure because of the dispute over the inclusion of whites in the movement.

Nevertheless, BPP was positioned solidly at the epicenter of the the Sixties radical movement. The Students for a Demoocratic Society—the leading New Left organization of its day—declared the Panthers to be nothing less than "the vanguard of the black revolution." Tom Hayden, the New Left's Everyman, proclaimed them "America's Vietcong"—likening them to the Communist guerrillas who were killing U.S. forces in Southeast Asia—in what he believed was the coming civil war that would engulf the nation. Newton’s (and the Panthers’) contention that blacks constituted an “internal colony” in America and could only be liberated by armed revolution, became standard rhetoric for the Left.

Encouraged by the passionate support of white New Leftists, the Panthers stepped up their pursuit of grim urban warfare against police forces across the country. As Newton lamented to intimates later, the results were all too pre*dictable, as the element of "superior firepower" now belonged wholly to the other side.

But radical mythmakers tried to snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat. They portrayed the Panthers killed in the conflict as not merely dead, but as victims of "genocide." Thus, in 1969, Newton attorney Charles Garry claimed that 31 (or 29 or 28, depending on what day he was being interviewed) Panthers had been "assassinated" by law-enforcement authorities in the preceding two years. While it was true that approximately that many Panthers had indeed been killed since the group's inception, almost all of them had died in the course of criminal activities or in conflicts with other black militants. Of those Panthers who did die at the hands of police, all had provoked the shootouts.

The tenuousness of Panther martyrdom was seen even in the most celebrated claim of innocent victimhood—the death of Chicago Panther Fred Hampton. According to Garry and other Panther supporters, Hampton had been wantonly murdered in his sleep as part of a police-FBI conspiracy. While it was true that Hampton was killed in a crossfire of bullets while sleeping off a drug binge, it was also true that when the police knocked on the door of the apartment, which served as a storage facility for all manner of BPP weaponry, they were greeted by a blast from Panther Mark Clark's shotgun, which initiated the shootout.

Notwithstanding these facts, Garry's assertions were given credibility by the establishment press, which by this time had ceased to maintain a critical distance from the radical worldview. The appeal of Newton and the Panthers spread from the New Left into the pop culture itself as they gained the support of personalities as various as Marlon Brando, Jean Genet, and Yale president Kingman Brewster, and were invited to fundraisers such as the famous get-together at Leonard Bernstein's Manhattan townhouse.

In May 1970 the California Appellate Court reversed Newton’s conviction and ordered a new trial, on grounds that the judge had erred by not giving jurors the option of convicting Newton of involuntary manslaughter. After two more trials that ended with hung juries, the State of California dropped its case against Newton and permitted him to rejoin his BPP comrades in Oakland. By this time, the Party consisted of approximately 2,000 members spread across the United States.

In Oakland, Newton, much to his dismay, found Panther leadership decimated. Cleaver, for one, had fled to Cuba and then to Algeria in 1968 to avoid a trial on charges stemming from a shootout with Oakland police. And Bobby Seale was under indictment in New Haven, Connecticut for the May 1969 torture-murder of a Panther named Alex Rackley, who was falsely believed to be an informer.

In 1970, a young Yale law student named Hillary Rodham (who would eventually become Hillary Rodham Clinton) was introduced by one of her professors, Thomas Emerson (known as “Tommy the Commie”), to Panther defense attorney Charles Garry. Garry helped Miss Rodham get personally involved in the legal defense of several Black Panthers facing trial for the Rackley murder.

In 1971 Newton went to China and met Chou En-lai. He then came home and, sensing that that the Movement was definitely on the downward part of its arc, ordered all BPP chapters nationwide to close their offices and consolidate their efforts by relocating to Oakland. Further, he revamped the organization, saying it was time to “put away the gun” and, quoting Mao, “serve the people.”

Before long, the Panthers initiated a “Free Breakfasts for Children” program which they claimed was responsible for serving 1,000 meals each day to students in San Francisco schools. When one journalist checked the veracity of this figure, however, he found that the actual number of meals served was no more than 50. Moreover, the food was usually extorted from local businessmen. It should also be noted that the Panthers’ “free breakfasts” were political, not charitable, endeavors. The serving of meals was accompanied by question-and-answer recitation drills for the young recipients, drills that characterized the police as “pigs,” and described “the capitalists” as “the pigs who control the country” and “steal from the poor.”

BPP also ran such "service" entities as the George Jackson Free Medical Clinic and the Oakland Community Learning Center, which was the centerpiece of the new BPP strategy. A $150,000 former church complex situated in the East Oakland ghetto, this Learning Center featured a six-grade elementary school replete with a black headmistress and little black children in uniforms. "Each One Teach One" became the new Panther slogan. Some observers were bothered by the regimentation and propaganda that was incorporated into the lessons, but in the eyes of most the school was a worthy model of black self-help. Aided by radical educational theorists such as Herbert Kohl, the Learning Center credentialed instructors through the UC-affiliated "University Without Walls." The Center also had a jazz band and an orchestra funded by the United Air Lines Foundation, and an assortment of community-service programs.

BPP no longer seemed to believe that power grew out of the barrel of a gun, but rather, that it stemmed from community organizing, which had been an emphasis of white radicals before an apocalyptic note entered the New Left (at least partly because of BPP itself) in the mid-Sixties. An indication of what the new Panthers were all about was Bobby Seale's run for mayor of Oakland in 1973. Seale lost, but he gave the city’s white power structure an electoral scare and seemed to point the way to a new black politics that might remake the city.

It is estimated that from 1969-74, the Panthers raised over $7 million for their Learning Center from white liberals and leftists. The Oakland political power structure was likewise ready to deal with the Panthers after Bobby Seale's campaign for mayor, and to make large city grants to the school. The state was ready as well.

But Newton, descending into a full-blown gangster life, sabotaged any chance the Party may have had for long-term success. Indeed, even as he launched the Panthers' new school and its other "survival programs," he was quietly laying the groundwork for the next phase of his ongoing criminal enterprises. Toward that end, he recruited a taciturn six-foot-eight-inch, four-hundred-pound former criminal named Robert Heard, who accompanied Newton everywhere, and a black gunslinger named Larry Henson.

Their criminal activity began with a boycott of black-owned liquor stores, which Newton accused of having "exploited the people." The boycott had to be enforced, often by brute force, and it was only a short step from this to extorting protection money. And once that money flowed, it was but another short step to strong-arming after-hours clubs, the pimps with their stables of prostitutes, and the dope dealers who worked the ghetto. During the space of a few months, there were several unsolved murders that Newton was said to be involved in. The two most notable victims were the Ward brothers, reputed to be the most powerful pimps in the Bay Area. Afterward, BPP took over the operation of Jimmy Ward's Lamppost, an Oakland bar and hangout that was owned by a family survivor.

In August 1974 Newton had a violent falling out with Bobby Seale. He expelled Seale from the Party in a most brutal manner, whipping him mercilessly and then sodomizing him with such force that Seale had to have his anus surgically repaired. As a Party member would later recall, “You have to understand, it had nothing to do with sex. It was about power.”

On August 6, 1974, Newton shot and killed a 17-year-old Bay Area prostitute named Kathleen Smith. Soon afterward, he pistol whipped his tailor, Preston Callins, during a dispute, inflicting four skull fractures on the victim.

Pimps throughout the Bay Area, angry at Newton for having killed one of their breadwinners, put a bounty on Newton’s head, prompting him to disappear from public sight. When Newton failed to show up for his arraignment for the Kathleen Smith murder charges, he was placed on the FBI’s “Most Wanted” list.

It was eventually learned that Newton was in Fidel Castro's Cuba, where he would remain for about three years. During that period, young Elaine Brown, whom Newton had groomed (by means of instruction and violent beatings) to be one of his closest lieutenants, assumed control of BPP's day-to-day activities. It was Newton, however, who maintained ultimate authority from his base in Cuba, relaying his orders to Brown via daily telephone calls.

One of those orders, transmitted in 1974, instructed Brown to end the life of a 42-year-old white woman named Betty Van Patter, who had recently been hired by Brown to keep the financial books for the Panthers' Learning Center in Oakland. Van Patter was unaware that the Panthers were in fact using the Learning Center as a vehicle by which to embezzle millions of dollars in California education funds. Nor did she know that the Center also served as the pretext for a Panther shakedown operation of “after hours” clubs whose owners were required to “donate” weekly sums, on pain of death if they refused. Thus, when she told Elaine Brown about certain irregularities she had found in the Learning Center's financial records, she had no idea that she was treading on forbidden (and deadly) ground. Brown promptly told Newton about Van Patter's findings, and Newton, in turn, demanded Van Patter's execution. The loyal Brown dutifully oversaw the Panthers’ kidnap (on December 13, 1974), rape, and murder of Mrs. Van Patter. On January 13, 1975, the victim’s corpse, with the head caved in, would be found floating in San Francisco Bay.

With Newton in continued exile, BPP’s social and political significance declined and ended by 1976.

It is estimated that during their radical heyday, the Panthers killed more than a dozen people.[7] As Panther leader Eldridge Cleaver acknowledged in a June 15, 1997 Sixty Minutes interview: “If people had listened to Huey Newton and me in the 1960s, there would have been a holocaust in this country.”


NOTES:

[1] Steven Powell, Covert Cadre: Inside The Institute For Policy Studies (Green Hill Publishers, 1987), p. 30.
[2] "Communism and the New Left," US News And World Report, 1970, p. 32.
[3] Maurice Isserman, and Michael Kazin, America Divided: The Civil War of the 1960s (Oxford University Press, 2000), pp. 176-177.
[4] John Diggins, The American Left in the Twentieth Century (Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1973), p. 174.
[5] "Communism and the New Left," US News And World Report, 1970, p. 197
[6] David Farber, The Age of Great Dreams (Hill and Wang, 1994), p. 207.
[7] David Horowitz, The Art of Political War: and Other Radical Pursuits (Spence, 2000), 170.


Portions of this profile are excerpted and adapted from “Baddest: The Life and Times of Huey P. Newton” (Chapter 5 of Destructive Generation, by Peter Collier and David Horowitz, 1989.)
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Yeah, these two organizations are a perfect example for black youth! And people accuse me of hating black people? You Sir are by far the most anti black person in this forum! The legacy of the organizations you mentioned are exactly what I was talking about!
 
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Your heritage and culture? Modern black culture in America is a fictional culture made out of thin air as a rebellion against western/white culture. Although every culture has its faults and vices, the rebellion against white culture by blacks was largely rebellion for rebellions sake. This was especially true in the 60's and 70's whereas more and more blacks were turning to radicalism and Marxism not because of the practicality of it all, but because of there disdain for whites. And although much of that disdain was warranted, what was not was the rejection of the model that worked away from the segregation. What brought about modern black culture was in fact the trashing of the successful parts of white culture simply because they did not appreciate the negative aspects of discrimination then inherent among whites. Indeed, they threw the baby out with the bath water and filled the tub up with a flawed culture founded on whatever they viewed as a means to reject white culture. This encouragement of rejection is what ails the black community today and the result is a rejection of lawful behavior and a continuance of promoting thuggery/drug culture.

Well, I guess that taking three months later to come up with a response is better than none at all.

Anyway to address your "response", I grew up in the late 50's and early 60's so the "culture" that I speak of is vastly different than what you imply.

If you actually think that the cultural revolution in the 1960's was based in a "disdain" for whites, you are seriously mistaken. If anything what prevailed during those decades was a well documented disdain for the rights of black people as citizens of this country.

In the 1960's there were two dominant black organizations. One was the Original Black Panthers which was a politically based organization that actually had support and partnership with many whites. Although the Party emerged from black nationalist movements, ultimately, the Panthers condemned black nationalism as "black racism" and became more ideologically focused on socialist revolution without racial exclusivity.

They instituted a variety of community social programs designed to alleviate poverty, improve health among inner city black communities, and soften the Party's public image

The Black Panther Party's most widely known programs were its armed citizens' patrols to evaluate behavior of police officers and its Free Breakfast for Children program.

The other organization that was present at the time was the US Organization, which I personally belonged to, and it's mission was "The creation, re recreation, and circulation of African American culture".

They hosted cultural shows recreating ancient African dance routines, taught cooking of African recipies, did exhibits of African artwork, taught African languages, and made, wore and sold African attire and jewelry, and taught African self defense techniques.

In every daily meeting that I attended with the US Organization from 1968 until 1975, there was never a minute spent on "disdain" for the white population. That was considered an unproductive waste of time.

They chose to teach us to work within our circle of influence and encourage a revolution within those circles that was cerebral, not violent, and in between all of that we were all required to to pursue higher education, if anything, to be equipped to effectively navigate the "culture" of a then hostile country, that actually hated our presence.

What was taught was appreciation for a culture that was lost when Africans arrived in America, as well as preparing youth with a skill set for existing and making a difference in a new land.

It is obvious that you have not read much over the past few months.

The Organization Us

Are you trying to make my points for me? Dr. Maulana Karenga is the chair of your organization? If anything this complements my theory quite well.

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MAULANA KARENGA: Founder & Chair of the Organization Us (UNITED SLAVES)

•Socialist activist and black nationalist
•Founder of the militant black power organization United Slaves
•In 1971 was arrested for assaulting and torturing two female members of his organization
•Professor and chairman of the Department of Black Studies at California State University, Long Beach
•Has spoken at the Socialist Scholars Conference
•Creator of the 'African American' holiday Kwanzaa

Born Ron Everett in July 1941, Professor Maulana Karenga has been Chairman of the Department of Black Studies at California State University, Long Beach, since 1989. An activist and Marxist, Karenga is best known for having created the holiday Kwanzaa in 1966. "People think it's African, but it's not," he said about his holiday in an interview quoted in the Washington Post. "I came up with Kwanzaa because black people in this country wouldn't celebrate it if they knew it was American. Also, I put it around Christmas because I knew that's when a lot of bloods would be partying." In the mid-1960s, he gave himself the title “Maulana,” Swahili for “master teacher,” and is now widely referred to simply as Maulana Karenga.

Professing a devotion to combating “systemic racism,” Karenga began his foray into black nationalism in the early 1960s, founding the militant black power organization United Slaves (US) to "provid[e] a philosophy, a set of principles and a program which inspire a personal and social practice that not only satisfies human need but transforms people in the process, making them self-conscious agents of their own life and liberation.”

A number of United Slaves members, among them Karenga, have served prison time for various crimes including murder. In 1969, US was involved in a disagreement with the Black Panthers regarding two candidates who were vying for a directorial position at UCLA’s newly created Afro-American Studies Center. US backed one contender, while the Black Panthers supported another. The dispute ended when two US members shot and killed two members of the Black Panthers.

In 1971, Karenga and US members Louis Smith and Luz Maria Tamayo were convicted of felonious assault and false imprisonment for having tortured two female US members, Gail Davis and Deborah Jones. Following Karenga's subsequent incarceration in a California State prison, US temporarily disbanded before being reestablished by Karenga in 1975.

Notwithstanding the track record of disputes between US and the Black Panthers, Karenga once spoke at an event that featured Black Panther co-founder Bobby Seale -- the 17th annual Black Consciousness Conference in 1996.

In 1977 Karenga devised a cultural philosophy called Kawaida, a Swahili term for "tradition" and "reason," from which the holiday Kwanzaa arose. Karenga billed Kwanzaa as an alternative to Christian, Jewish, and Islamic traditions. He asked his followers to follow the seven “principles” of Kwanzaa, known as the “Nguzu Saba,” or the “Seven Principles of Blackness,” which are observed during the seven days of Kwanzaa. The principles are as follows:
•Umoja (Unity): "to strive for and maintain unity in the family, community, nation and race"
•Kujichagulia (Self-Determination): "to define ourselves, name ourselves, create for ourselves and speak for ourselves"
•Ujima (Collective Work and Responsibility): "to build and maintain our community together and make our brother’s and sister’s problems our problems and to solve them together"
•Ujamaa (Cooperative Economics): "to build and maintain our own stores, shops and other businesses and to profit from them together"
•Nia (Purpose): "to make our collective vocation the building and development of our community in order to restore our people to their traditional greatness"
•Kuumba (Creativity): "to do always as much as we can, in the way we can, in order to leave our community more beautiful and beneficial than we inherited it"
•Imani (Faith): "to believe with all our heart in our people, our parents, our teachers, our leaders and the righteousness and victory of our struggle"

In summation, Karenga’s “Seven Principals of Blackness” are the Marxist precepts of parity and proletariat unity. In a 2002 article, Ann Coulter observed further that the seven principles of Kwanzaa are identical to those of the 1970s domestic terrorist group, the Symbionese Liberation Army.

A self-proclaimed “African socialist,” Karenga has said: “One of the most urgent challenge … of our time is the reconstruction of U.S. social policy ... making the U.S. a just and good society in a multicultural and global context. What we have to do in this talking, this ethical vision, has first of all to be separated from the right-wing insistence on morality.”

In 1998 Karenga and United Slaves issued a statement in support of "the Cuban people in their heroic and historic struggle to defend their right of self-determination and to break out of the unjust and immoral economic boycott by the U.S. government."

In Karenga's calculus, capitalism was the cause of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. He writes that “... it is not the material goods some of us have that they [Muslims] hate the U.S. for, but for attempts to impose the materialism of a consumerist society on them, to turn them into homogenized consumers of a McWorld system. And perhaps it is not that they are against freedom and justice and related values, but against the U.S.-imposed interpretation of this. Perhaps, they resent the arrogance of imposition and the inequities imposed by a globalism that grinds them underfoot and denies them a right of self-determination and security that we say are indispensable to us and our allies.”

In a separate assessment of 9/11, Karenga said: "[W]e might discover ... that [the hijackers] did it to: (1) avenge years of state terrorism, mass murder, selective assassination, collective punishment and other forms of oppression by the U.S. and its allies; (2) to demonstrate vulnerability of the U.S. at its crucial centers of power ...; (3) to cause the rulers of the country to fear, to be uncertain and to reverse the role of hunter and hunted; (4) to insist on being heard and considered in human, political and military terms; (5) to demonstrate a capacity to strike regardless of the superior strength and technology of the U.S.; and (6) to dramatize and underline in a highly visible way the asymmetry of suffering between the U.S. and the oppressed in the world."

Karenga has been an outspoken critic of the War in Iraq and the larger War on Terror. In an April 2003 event at Cal State, he called the Iraq War an exercise in "self-aggrandizement" by the U.S. On another occasion he characterized it as “part of a post-9/11 imperial offensive which carries with it racist and colonial conversations and commitments of ‘crusades’ to protect ‘the civilized world’ against ‘dark and evil nations’ in ‘dark corners of the world.’”

Karenga holds two Ph.D.s -- one in Political Science, with a focus on the theory and practice of nationalism (obtained from the United States International University), and one in Social Ethics, with a focus on the classical African ethics of ancient Egypt (obtained from the University of Southern California). He also holds an honorary Doctorate of Philosophy from the University of Durban-Westville, South Africa.

Karenga has been a featured speaker at the Socialist Scholars Conference, which is held each year by the City University of New York’s chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America. Past speakers and panel members have included Michael Moore, Al Sharpton, Noam Chomsky, Ron Dellums, Stanley Aronowitz, John Bellamy Foster, Jerrold Nadler, and Major Owens.

Karenga has authored such books as Introduction to Black Studies, the most widely used introductory text in Black Studies, and Kawaida: A Communitarian African Philosophy. He has received numerous awards, including the National Leadership Award for Outstanding Scholarly Achievements in Black Studies from the National Council for Black Studies, and the Pioneer Award from the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and Citizenship Education Fund.

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BLACK PANTHER PARTY (BPP)

•Violent revolutionary organization of the 1960s and 1970s
•Its members engaged in drug dealing, pimping, rape, extortion, assault, and murder.
•Aimed to harass the police, to protest against “police brutality” and America’s allegedly racist power structure, and ultimately to ignite a violent race war in the United States

In October 1966, Huey P. Newton turned his Oakland, California street gang into the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense. His co-founders in this endeavor were Elbert Howard, Reggie Forte, Sherman Forte, Bobby Seale, and Little Bobby Hutton. The following year, Newton shortened the group's name to, simply, the Black Panther Party (BPP).

To define BPP's mission, Newton wrote a ten-point program stating, among other things, that:
•“The federal government is responsible and obligated to give every man employment or a guaranteed income”;
•“This racist government has robbed us [blacks], and now we are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules”;
•“If the White Landlords will not give decent housing to our Black community, then the housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that our community, with government aid, can build and make decent housing for its people”;
•Education should “expos[e] the true nature of this decadent American society”;
•“Black people should not be forced to fight in the military service to defend a racist government that does not protect us”;
•“All Black people should be released from the many jails and prisons because they have not received a fair and impartial trial”; and
•“All Black people should arm themselves for self-defense.”

In December 1966, seven black militant groups, including BPP's New York contingent, met at the headquarters of the Institute For Policy Studies. There, Panther “minister of culture” Emory Douglas stated:

“The only way to make this racist U.S. government administer justice to the people it is oppressing, is ... by taking up arms against this government, killing the officials, until the reactionary forces ... are dead, and those that are left turn their weapons on their superiors ... thereby passing revolutionary judgment against the number one enemy of all mankind, the racist U.S. government.’”[1]

In a similarly impassioned, late-1960s speech, BPP member David Hilliard
 described the Panthers' ideology as an outgrowth of “the historical experiences of Black people” in “racist, fascist America,” a country “run by a slave oligarchy and brigandish criminals” whose “primary interest is capitalism.” “Translated through Marxism-Leninism,” Hilliard explained, the knowledge born of those historical experiences could serve to animate a justified rebellion against “400 years” of being “victims of the oppressive machinery that gags, binds and chains Black men who speak out in defense of their alleged constitutional rights.” Further, Hilliard denounced contemporary white people and their forebears (collectively) as “genocidal murderers of the Red Man”; “users of the atomic bomb upon the Japanese people”; aggressors in “the genocidal and imperialist war against the Vietnamese people”; perpetrators of “the burning of Blacks on the sacred cross of Christianity”; and “the enslavers and exploiters of Blacks in this country right up until this very day.” Moreover, he derided “the whole damn” Constitution as a document that was “invalid in regards to Blacks in particular.”

A chief BPP priority was to harass police officers under the mask of a “political” program. The “self defense” part of that program involved Panther members appearing in public places heavily armed, as a means of standing up defiantly to “police brutality” and America’s allegedly racist power structure. This—coupled with the Party's anti-police (“pig”) rhetoric—caught the political fancy of Sixties radicals who considered themselves to be at war with the United States and were beginning to flirt with “revolutionary violence.”

To be sure, BPP was engaged in veritable warfare against the police, not merely “defending the people” against them. As BPP leader Eldridge Cleaver told Reason magazine years later (in 1986): "We [Panthers] would go out and ambush cops, but if we got caught we would blame it on them and claim innocence."

Whenever possible, BPP actively sought out opportunities to spark confrontations with police. On February 21, 1967, for instance, Huey Newton provided an armed escort for Betty Shabazz, widow of Malcolm X, during a Bay Area speaking engagement. When newsmen tried to get closer to Shabazz than the Panthers wished to allow, police tried to enforce order with their nightsticks. In response, Newton and his fellow Panthers promptly loaded shells into their shotguns. After a tense standoff of several minutes, both sides backed off. Newton, however, boasted that the Panthers had “won” as a result of their “superior firepower.” The incident propelled Newton and the Panthers to national prominence.

On May 2, 1967, some thirty Party members, armed with rifles and shotguns, marched into the California State Assembly in Sacramento to protest an arms-control law that was under consideration for Oakland. This stunning incident brought BPP still more publicity.

By now the Panthers had become a national phenomenon of a magnitude exceeding that of Martin Luther King and other traditional civil-rights leaders. Militant, action-oriented, and above all ideological, BPP offered something that the rest of the civil rights movement, just then descending into separatism and negritude, did not.

But while they were radical icons by day, by night the Panthers grew into a criminal organization that engaged widely in drug dealing, pimping, extortion, theft, assault, and homicide. Indeed, BPP members were arrested 348 times for murder, armed robbery, rape, and burglary in 1969 alone, as Edward J. Epstein has documented.

Embracing the notion of international working-class unity that transcended barriers of color and gender, the Panthers allied themselves with various minority and white revolutionary groups. Throughout this process, BPP viewed itself as the vanguard of America's radical revolution.

Eldrige Cleaver counseled his fellow Panthers to model their tactics on those of the communist revolutions that had already taken place elsewhere. "If you look around the world," he wrote, "you will see that the only countries which have liberated themselves and managed to withstand the tide of counter-revolution are precisely those countries that have strongly Marxist-Leninist parties."[2]

In 1967 and 1968, BPP members sold Mao Zedong's iconic Red Book to students at UC Berkeley in order to raise funds for the purchase of shotguns.[3] By early 1968, the Party had made the book required reading for all its members.

BPP leaders also studied the works of Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Che Guevara, and Ho Chi Minh for guidance on how to establish revolutionary socialism in the U.S. through mass organizing and community-based programs. But no tract influenced the Panthers more profoundly than did Frantz Fanon’s Wretched of the Earth (1965), which condemned colonialism’s legacy and advocated a peasant-led revolution of "absolute violence" as a means of liberating African people. John Patrick Diggins, author of The Rise and Fall of the American Left, writes that BPP “adopted a 'Marxist-Leninist' amalgam that succeeded in combining nationalism with socialism, preaching self-determination along with class struggle.”[4]

Legislative or political reform were of little interest to the Panthers. The “Political Education Kit” for BPP members stated plainly that the organization was an “armed body” whose primary objective was to “establish Revolutionary Political Power for Black People.”[5]

In August 1967, the FBI instructed its counter-intelligence program, COINTELPRO, to “neutralize” such “Black Nationalist Hate Groups” as BPP. The FBI had only five agents available to monitor BPP activities in the entire Bay Area where the Panthers were based. In these circumstances, the Bureau accused some Panthers of being informers and planted letters containing insults purportedly written by one Panther leader to another. The purpose was to divide the group and decrease the level of violence its members could commit against others. But when one Panther had his life threatened for being a suspected informer, the FBI instructed its agents to cease the practice.

In October 1967 Huey Newton shot and killed Oakland police officer John Frey. The evidence against Newton was beyond dispute. But his attorney, Charles Garry, alleged that because the American justice system, from the police through the courts, was thoroughly infested with racism, it would be impossible for a young black like Newton to get a fair trial anywhere in the country. “The system,” Garry claimed, was responsible for putting so many innocent black males in jeopardy.

During his trial for Frey’s killing, Newton became a national hero to New Leftists everywhere. In December 1967 BPP formed a coalition with the Peace and Freedom Party, which was composed mostly of young whites who opposed the Vietnam War. Out of this coalition, the “Free Huey” movement was created by leftists sympathetic to Newton’s effort to fight back against a satanic United States. "Free Huey!" became as charac*teristic a slogan of the Movement as "Bring the Troops Home." In September 1968 Newton was convicted of voluntary manslaughter for the Frey killing and was sentenced to a prison term of fifteen years.

During the two-plus years that Newton was incarcerated, hundreds of new recruits joined the Black Panther Party, many responding to no deeper political message than the Panthers' most famous slogan, "Off the Pig." New BPP chapters were established all over the United States; many—like those in Chicago and Los Angeles—were the result of ghetto street gangs enrolling en bloc.

BPP's leader in Newton's absence was Eldridge Cleaver, who viewed the Panthers as something akin to the Algerian FLN, an organiza*tion capable of sparking and spearheading an armed revolution. It was no longer enough to merely display weapons; under Cleaver's militarism, it was vital to use them.

In February 1968, Stokely Carmichael, former chairman of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) and a nationally known proponent of Black Power, was recruited into BPP and became its "prime minister." Carmichael adamantly opposed permitting whites to join the “black liberation” movement, a position that ran counter to the Panther view.

In the aftermath of the April 1968 assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., BPP, which rejected King’s belief in nonviolent protest, began to provide its members with military training.

Also in April 1968, thirteen Panthers ambushed an Oakland police car with a spray of gunfire, hitting it with 157 shots and badly wounding one officer.[6]

Five months later, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover described BPP as the single “greatest threat to the internal security of the country.”

By the summer of 1969, the alliance between the Panthers and SNCC began to unravel, in large measure because of the dispute over the inclusion of whites in the movement.

Nevertheless, BPP was positioned solidly at the epicenter of the the Sixties radical movement. The Students for a Demoocratic Society—the leading New Left organization of its day—declared the Panthers to be nothing less than "the vanguard of the black revolution." Tom Hayden, the New Left's Everyman, proclaimed them "America's Vietcong"—likening them to the Communist guerrillas who were killing U.S. forces in Southeast Asia—in what he believed was the coming civil war that would engulf the nation. Newton’s (and the Panthers’) contention that blacks constituted an “internal colony” in America and could only be liberated by armed revolution, became standard rhetoric for the Left.

Encouraged by the passionate support of white New Leftists, the Panthers stepped up their pursuit of grim urban warfare against police forces across the country. As Newton lamented to intimates later, the results were all too pre*dictable, as the element of "superior firepower" now belonged wholly to the other side.

But radical mythmakers tried to snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat. They portrayed the Panthers killed in the conflict as not merely dead, but as victims of "genocide." Thus, in 1969, Newton attorney Charles Garry claimed that 31 (or 29 or 28, depending on what day he was being interviewed) Panthers had been "assassinated" by law-enforcement authorities in the preceding two years. While it was true that approximately that many Panthers had indeed been killed since the group's inception, almost all of them had died in the course of criminal activities or in conflicts with other black militants. Of those Panthers who did die at the hands of police, all had provoked the shootouts.

The tenuousness of Panther martyrdom was seen even in the most celebrated claim of innocent victimhood—the death of Chicago Panther Fred Hampton. According to Garry and other Panther supporters, Hampton had been wantonly murdered in his sleep as part of a police-FBI conspiracy. While it was true that Hampton was killed in a crossfire of bullets while sleeping off a drug binge, it was also true that when the police knocked on the door of the apartment, which served as a storage facility for all manner of BPP weaponry, they were greeted by a blast from Panther Mark Clark's shotgun, which initiated the shootout.

Notwithstanding these facts, Garry's assertions were given credibility by the establishment press, which by this time had ceased to maintain a critical distance from the radical worldview. The appeal of Newton and the Panthers spread from the New Left into the pop culture itself as they gained the support of personalities as various as Marlon Brando, Jean Genet, and Yale president Kingman Brewster, and were invited to fundraisers such as the famous get-together at Leonard Bernstein's Manhattan townhouse.

In May 1970 the California Appellate Court reversed Newton’s conviction and ordered a new trial, on grounds that the judge had erred by not giving jurors the option of convicting Newton of involuntary manslaughter. After two more trials that ended with hung juries, the State of California dropped its case against Newton and permitted him to rejoin his BPP comrades in Oakland. By this time, the Party consisted of approximately 2,000 members spread across the United States.

In Oakland, Newton, much to his dismay, found Panther leadership decimated. Cleaver, for one, had fled to Cuba and then to Algeria in 1968 to avoid a trial on charges stemming from a shootout with Oakland police. And Bobby Seale was under indictment in New Haven, Connecticut for the May 1969 torture-murder of a Panther named Alex Rackley, who was falsely believed to be an informer.

In 1970, a young Yale law student named Hillary Rodham (who would eventually become Hillary Rodham Clinton) was introduced by one of her professors, Thomas Emerson (known as “Tommy the Commie”), to Panther defense attorney Charles Garry. Garry helped Miss Rodham get personally involved in the legal defense of several Black Panthers facing trial for the Rackley murder.

In 1971 Newton went to China and met Chou En-lai. He then came home and, sensing that that the Movement was definitely on the downward part of its arc, ordered all BPP chapters nationwide to close their offices and consolidate their efforts by relocating to Oakland. Further, he revamped the organization, saying it was time to “put away the gun” and, quoting Mao, “serve the people.”

Before long, the Panthers initiated a “Free Breakfasts for Children” program which they claimed was responsible for serving 1,000 meals each day to students in San Francisco schools. When one journalist checked the veracity of this figure, however, he found that the actual number of meals served was no more than 50. Moreover, the food was usually extorted from local businessmen. It should also be noted that the Panthers’ “free breakfasts” were political, not charitable, endeavors. The serving of meals was accompanied by question-and-answer recitation drills for the young recipients, drills that characterized the police as “pigs,” and described “the capitalists” as “the pigs who control the country” and “steal from the poor.”

BPP also ran such "service" entities as the George Jackson Free Medical Clinic and the Oakland Community Learning Center, which was the centerpiece of the new BPP strategy. A $150,000 former church complex situated in the East Oakland ghetto, this Learning Center featured a six-grade elementary school replete with a black headmistress and little black children in uniforms. "Each One Teach One" became the new Panther slogan. Some observers were bothered by the regimentation and propaganda that was incorporated into the lessons, but in the eyes of most the school was a worthy model of black self-help. Aided by radical educational theorists such as Herbert Kohl, the Learning Center credentialed instructors through the UC-affiliated "University Without Walls." The Center also had a jazz band and an orchestra funded by the United Air Lines Foundation, and an assortment of community-service programs.

BPP no longer seemed to believe that power grew out of the barrel of a gun, but rather, that it stemmed from community organizing, which had been an emphasis of white radicals before an apocalyptic note entered the New Left (at least partly because of BPP itself) in the mid-Sixties. An indication of what the new Panthers were all about was Bobby Seale's run for mayor of Oakland in 1973. Seale lost, but he gave the city’s white power structure an electoral scare and seemed to point the way to a new black politics that might remake the city.

It is estimated that from 1969-74, the Panthers raised over $7 million for their Learning Center from white liberals and leftists. The Oakland political power structure was likewise ready to deal with the Panthers after Bobby Seale's campaign for mayor, and to make large city grants to the school. The state was ready as well.

But Newton, descending into a full-blown gangster life, sabotaged any chance the Party may have had for long-term success. Indeed, even as he launched the Panthers' new school and its other "survival programs," he was quietly laying the groundwork for the next phase of his ongoing criminal enterprises. Toward that end, he recruited a taciturn six-foot-eight-inch, four-hundred-pound former criminal named Robert Heard, who accompanied Newton everywhere, and a black gunslinger named Larry Henson.

Their criminal activity began with a boycott of black-owned liquor stores, which Newton accused of having "exploited the people." The boycott had to be enforced, often by brute force, and it was only a short step from this to extorting protection money. And once that money flowed, it was but another short step to strong-arming after-hours clubs, the pimps with their stables of prostitutes, and the dope dealers who worked the ghetto. During the space of a few months, there were several unsolved murders that Newton was said to be involved in. The two most notable victims were the Ward brothers, reputed to be the most powerful pimps in the Bay Area. Afterward, BPP took over the operation of Jimmy Ward's Lamppost, an Oakland bar and hangout that was owned by a family survivor.

In August 1974 Newton had a violent falling out with Bobby Seale. He expelled Seale from the Party in a most brutal manner, whipping him mercilessly and then sodomizing him with such force that Seale had to have his anus surgically repaired. As a Party member would later recall, “You have to understand, it had nothing to do with sex. It was about power.”

On August 6, 1974, Newton shot and killed a 17-year-old Bay Area prostitute named Kathleen Smith. Soon afterward, he pistol whipped his tailor, Preston Callins, during a dispute, inflicting four skull fractures on the victim.

Pimps throughout the Bay Area, angry at Newton for having killed one of their breadwinners, put a bounty on Newton’s head, prompting him to disappear from public sight. When Newton failed to show up for his arraignment for the Kathleen Smith murder charges, he was placed on the FBI’s “Most Wanted” list.

It was eventually learned that Newton was in Fidel Castro's Cuba, where he would remain for about three years. During that period, young Elaine Brown, whom Newton had groomed (by means of instruction and violent beatings) to be one of his closest lieutenants, assumed control of BPP's day-to-day activities. It was Newton, however, who maintained ultimate authority from his base in Cuba, relaying his orders to Brown via daily telephone calls.

One of those orders, transmitted in 1974, instructed Brown to end the life of a 42-year-old white woman named Betty Van Patter, who had recently been hired by Brown to keep the financial books for the Panthers' Learning Center in Oakland. Van Patter was unaware that the Panthers were in fact using the Learning Center as a vehicle by which to embezzle millions of dollars in California education funds. Nor did she know that the Center also served as the pretext for a Panther shakedown operation of “after hours” clubs whose owners were required to “donate” weekly sums, on pain of death if they refused. Thus, when she told Elaine Brown about certain irregularities she had found in the Learning Center's financial records, she had no idea that she was treading on forbidden (and deadly) ground. Brown promptly told Newton about Van Patter's findings, and Newton, in turn, demanded Van Patter's execution. The loyal Brown dutifully oversaw the Panthers’ kidnap (on December 13, 1974), rape, and murder of Mrs. Van Patter. On January 13, 1975, the victim’s corpse, with the head caved in, would be found floating in San Francisco Bay.

With Newton in continued exile, BPP’s social and political significance declined and ended by 1976.

It is estimated that during their radical heyday, the Panthers killed more than a dozen people.[7] As Panther leader Eldridge Cleaver acknowledged in a June 15, 1997 Sixty Minutes interview: “If people had listened to Huey Newton and me in the 1960s, there would have been a holocaust in this country.”


NOTES:

[1] Steven Powell, Covert Cadre: Inside The Institute For Policy Studies (Green Hill Publishers, 1987), p. 30.
[2] "Communism and the New Left," US News And World Report, 1970, p. 32.
[3] Maurice Isserman, and Michael Kazin, America Divided: The Civil War of the 1960s (Oxford University Press, 2000), pp. 176-177.
[4] John Diggins, The American Left in the Twentieth Century (Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1973), p. 174.
[5] "Communism and the New Left," US News And World Report, 1970, p. 197
[6] David Farber, The Age of Great Dreams (Hill and Wang, 1994), p. 207.
[7] David Horowitz, The Art of Political War: and Other Radical Pursuits (Spence, 2000), 170.


Portions of this profile are excerpted and adapted from “Baddest: The Life and Times of Huey P. Newton” (Chapter 5 of Destructive Generation, by Peter Collier and David Horowitz, 1989.)
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Yeah, these two organizations are a perfect example for black youth! And people accuse me of hating black people? You sir are by far the most anti black person in this forum! The legacy of the organizations you mentioned are exactly what I was talking about!


ROFLMAO. Make up your mind. You say in one sentence that "disdain for whites" we're the basis of these organizations, now you say they are "anti black"?

At what point in time were YOU in the company of anyone from either organization?

I was there.

You are nothing more than a "street corner philosopher" who never lived a real life experience with either.

Your thread....carry on.
 
Well, I guess that taking three months later to come up with a response is better than none at all.

Anyway to address your "response", I grew up in the late 50's and early 60's so the "culture" that I speak of is vastly different than what you imply.

If you actually think that the cultural revolution in the 1960's was based in a "disdain" for whites, you are seriously mistaken. If anything what prevailed during those decades was a well documented disdain for the rights of black people as citizens of this country.

In the 1960's there were two dominant black organizations. One was the Original Black Panthers which was a politically based organization that actually had support and partnership with many whites. Although the Party emerged from black nationalist movements, ultimately, the Panthers condemned black nationalism as "black racism" and became more ideologically focused on socialist revolution without racial exclusivity.

They instituted a variety of community social programs designed to alleviate poverty, improve health among inner city black communities, and soften the Party's public image

The Black Panther Party's most widely known programs were its armed citizens' patrols to evaluate behavior of police officers and its Free Breakfast for Children program.

The other organization that was present at the time was the US Organization, which I personally belonged to, and it's mission was "The creation, re recreation, and circulation of African American culture".

They hosted cultural shows recreating ancient African dance routines, taught cooking of African recipies, did exhibits of African artwork, taught African languages, and made, wore and sold African attire and jewelry, and taught African self defense techniques.

In every daily meeting that I attended with the US Organization from 1968 until 1975, there was never a minute spent on "disdain" for the white population. That was considered an unproductive waste of time.

They chose to teach us to work within our circle of influence and encourage a revolution within those circles that was cerebral, not violent, and in between all of that we were all required to to pursue higher education, if anything, to be equipped to effectively navigate the "culture" of a then hostile country, that actually hated our presence.

What was taught was appreciation for a culture that was lost when Africans arrived in America, as well as preparing youth with a skill set for existing and making a difference in a new land.

It is obvious that you have not read much over the past few months.

The Organization Us
Spare us. It's a bit like saying Capone was a good guy because he funded some soup kitchens in Chicago during the depression.

You have to ask yourself whether anyone would actually buy this shit, beside Asc I mean.
 
Well, I guess that taking three months later to come up with a response is better than none at all.

Anyway to address your "response", I grew up in the late 50's and early 60's so the "culture" that I speak of is vastly different than what you imply.

If you actually think that the cultural revolution in the 1960's was based in a "disdain" for whites, you are seriously mistaken. If anything what prevailed during those decades was a well documented disdain for the rights of black people as citizens of this country.

In the 1960's there were two dominant black organizations. One was the Original Black Panthers which was a politically based organization that actually had support and partnership with many whites. Although the Party emerged from black nationalist movements, ultimately, the Panthers condemned black nationalism as "black racism" and became more ideologically focused on socialist revolution without racial exclusivity.

They instituted a variety of community social programs designed to alleviate poverty, improve health among inner city black communities, and soften the Party's public image

The Black Panther Party's most widely known programs were its armed citizens' patrols to evaluate behavior of police officers and its Free Breakfast for Children program.

The other organization that was present at the time was the US Organization, which I personally belonged to, and it's mission was "The creation, re recreation, and circulation of African American culture".

They hosted cultural shows recreating ancient African dance routines, taught cooking of African recipies, did exhibits of African artwork, taught African languages, and made, wore and sold African attire and jewelry, and taught African self defense techniques.

In every daily meeting that I attended with the US Organization from 1968 until 1975, there was never a minute spent on "disdain" for the white population. That was considered an unproductive waste of time.

They chose to teach us to work within our circle of influence and encourage a revolution within those circles that was cerebral, not violent, and in between all of that we were all required to to pursue higher education, if anything, to be equipped to effectively navigate the "culture" of a then hostile country, that actually hated our presence.

What was taught was appreciation for a culture that was lost when Africans arrived in America, as well as preparing youth with a skill set for existing and making a difference in a new land.

It is obvious that you have not read much over the past few months.

The Organization Us

Are you trying to make my points for me? Dr. Maulana Karenga is the chair of your organization? If anything this complements my theory quite well.

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MAULANA KARENGA: Founder & Chair of the Organization Us (UNITED SLAVES)

•Socialist activist and black nationalist
•Founder of the militant black power organization United Slaves
•In 1971 was arrested for assaulting and torturing two female members of his organization
•Professor and chairman of the Department of Black Studies at California State University, Long Beach
•Has spoken at the Socialist Scholars Conference
•Creator of the 'African American' holiday Kwanzaa

Born Ron Everett in July 1941, Professor Maulana Karenga has been Chairman of the Department of Black Studies at California State University, Long Beach, since 1989. An activist and Marxist, Karenga is best known for having created the holiday Kwanzaa in 1966. "People think it's African, but it's not," he said about his holiday in an interview quoted in the Washington Post. "I came up with Kwanzaa because black people in this country wouldn't celebrate it if they knew it was American. Also, I put it around Christmas because I knew that's when a lot of bloods would be partying." In the mid-1960s, he gave himself the title “Maulana,” Swahili for “master teacher,” and is now widely referred to simply as Maulana Karenga.

Professing a devotion to combating “systemic racism,” Karenga began his foray into black nationalism in the early 1960s, founding the militant black power organization United Slaves (US) to "provid[e] a philosophy, a set of principles and a program which inspire a personal and social practice that not only satisfies human need but transforms people in the process, making them self-conscious agents of their own life and liberation.”

A number of United Slaves members, among them Karenga, have served prison time for various crimes including murder. In 1969, US was involved in a disagreement with the Black Panthers regarding two candidates who were vying for a directorial position at UCLA’s newly created Afro-American Studies Center. US backed one contender, while the Black Panthers supported another. The dispute ended when two US members shot and killed two members of the Black Panthers.

In 1971, Karenga and US members Louis Smith and Luz Maria Tamayo were convicted of felonious assault and false imprisonment for having tortured two female US members, Gail Davis and Deborah Jones. Following Karenga's subsequent incarceration in a California State prison, US temporarily disbanded before being reestablished by Karenga in 1975.

Notwithstanding the track record of disputes between US and the Black Panthers, Karenga once spoke at an event that featured Black Panther co-founder Bobby Seale -- the 17th annual Black Consciousness Conference in 1996.

In 1977 Karenga devised a cultural philosophy called Kawaida, a Swahili term for "tradition" and "reason," from which the holiday Kwanzaa arose. Karenga billed Kwanzaa as an alternative to Christian, Jewish, and Islamic traditions. He asked his followers to follow the seven “principles” of Kwanzaa, known as the “Nguzu Saba,” or the “Seven Principles of Blackness,” which are observed during the seven days of Kwanzaa. The principles are as follows:
•Umoja (Unity): "to strive for and maintain unity in the family, community, nation and race"
•Kujichagulia (Self-Determination): "to define ourselves, name ourselves, create for ourselves and speak for ourselves"
•Ujima (Collective Work and Responsibility): "to build and maintain our community together and make our brother’s and sister’s problems our problems and to solve them together"
•Ujamaa (Cooperative Economics): "to build and maintain our own stores, shops and other businesses and to profit from them together"
•Nia (Purpose): "to make our collective vocation the building and development of our community in order to restore our people to their traditional greatness"
•Kuumba (Creativity): "to do always as much as we can, in the way we can, in order to leave our community more beautiful and beneficial than we inherited it"
•Imani (Faith): "to believe with all our heart in our people, our parents, our teachers, our leaders and the righteousness and victory of our struggle"

In summation, Karenga’s “Seven Principals of Blackness” are the Marxist precepts of parity and proletariat unity. In a 2002 article, Ann Coulter observed further that the seven principles of Kwanzaa are identical to those of the 1970s domestic terrorist group, the Symbionese Liberation Army.

A self-proclaimed “African socialist,” Karenga has said: “One of the most urgent challenge … of our time is the reconstruction of U.S. social policy ... making the U.S. a just and good society in a multicultural and global context. What we have to do in this talking, this ethical vision, has first of all to be separated from the right-wing insistence on morality.”

In 1998 Karenga and United Slaves issued a statement in support of "the Cuban people in their heroic and historic struggle to defend their right of self-determination and to break out of the unjust and immoral economic boycott by the U.S. government."

In Karenga's calculus, capitalism was the cause of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. He writes that “... it is not the material goods some of us have that they [Muslims] hate the U.S. for, but for attempts to impose the materialism of a consumerist society on them, to turn them into homogenized consumers of a McWorld system. And perhaps it is not that they are against freedom and justice and related values, but against the U.S.-imposed interpretation of this. Perhaps, they resent the arrogance of imposition and the inequities imposed by a globalism that grinds them underfoot and denies them a right of self-determination and security that we say are indispensable to us and our allies.”

In a separate assessment of 9/11, Karenga said: "[W]e might discover ... that [the hijackers] did it to: (1) avenge years of state terrorism, mass murder, selective assassination, collective punishment and other forms of oppression by the U.S. and its allies; (2) to demonstrate vulnerability of the U.S. at its crucial centers of power ...; (3) to cause the rulers of the country to fear, to be uncertain and to reverse the role of hunter and hunted; (4) to insist on being heard and considered in human, political and military terms; (5) to demonstrate a capacity to strike regardless of the superior strength and technology of the U.S.; and (6) to dramatize and underline in a highly visible way the asymmetry of suffering between the U.S. and the oppressed in the world."

Karenga has been an outspoken critic of the War in Iraq and the larger War on Terror. In an April 2003 event at Cal State, he called the Iraq War an exercise in "self-aggrandizement" by the U.S. On another occasion he characterized it as “part of a post-9/11 imperial offensive which carries with it racist and colonial conversations and commitments of ‘crusades’ to protect ‘the civilized world’ against ‘dark and evil nations’ in ‘dark corners of the world.’”

Karenga holds two Ph.D.s -- one in Political Science, with a focus on the theory and practice of nationalism (obtained from the United States International University), and one in Social Ethics, with a focus on the classical African ethics of ancient Egypt (obtained from the University of Southern California). He also holds an honorary Doctorate of Philosophy from the University of Durban-Westville, South Africa.

Karenga has been a featured speaker at the Socialist Scholars Conference, which is held each year by the City University of New York’s chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America. Past speakers and panel members have included Michael Moore, Al Sharpton, Noam Chomsky, Ron Dellums, Stanley Aronowitz, John Bellamy Foster, Jerrold Nadler, and Major Owens.

Karenga has authored such books as Introduction to Black Studies, the most widely used introductory text in Black Studies, and Kawaida: A Communitarian African Philosophy. He has received numerous awards, including the National Leadership Award for Outstanding Scholarly Achievements in Black Studies from the National Council for Black Studies, and the Pioneer Award from the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and Citizenship Education Fund.

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BLACK PANTHER PARTY (BPP)

•Violent revolutionary organization of the 1960s and 1970s
•Its members engaged in drug dealing, pimping, rape, extortion, assault, and murder.
•Aimed to harass the police, to protest against “police brutality” and America’s allegedly racist power structure, and ultimately to ignite a violent race war in the United States

In October 1966, Huey P. Newton turned his Oakland, California street gang into the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense. His co-founders in this endeavor were Elbert Howard, Reggie Forte, Sherman Forte, Bobby Seale, and Little Bobby Hutton. The following year, Newton shortened the group's name to, simply, the Black Panther Party (BPP).

To define BPP's mission, Newton wrote a ten-point program stating, among other things, that:
•“The federal government is responsible and obligated to give every man employment or a guaranteed income”;
•“This racist government has robbed us [blacks], and now we are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules”;
•“If the White Landlords will not give decent housing to our Black community, then the housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that our community, with government aid, can build and make decent housing for its people”;
•Education should “expos[e] the true nature of this decadent American society”;
•“Black people should not be forced to fight in the military service to defend a racist government that does not protect us”;
•“All Black people should be released from the many jails and prisons because they have not received a fair and impartial trial”; and
•“All Black people should arm themselves for self-defense.”

In December 1966, seven black militant groups, including BPP's New York contingent, met at the headquarters of the Institute For Policy Studies. There, Panther “minister of culture” Emory Douglas stated:

“The only way to make this racist U.S. government administer justice to the people it is oppressing, is ... by taking up arms against this government, killing the officials, until the reactionary forces ... are dead, and those that are left turn their weapons on their superiors ... thereby passing revolutionary judgment against the number one enemy of all mankind, the racist U.S. government.’”[1]

In a similarly impassioned, late-1960s speech, BPP member David Hilliard
 described the Panthers' ideology as an outgrowth of “the historical experiences of Black people” in “racist, fascist America,” a country “run by a slave oligarchy and brigandish criminals” whose “primary interest is capitalism.” “Translated through Marxism-Leninism,” Hilliard explained, the knowledge born of those historical experiences could serve to animate a justified rebellion against “400 years” of being “victims of the oppressive machinery that gags, binds and chains Black men who speak out in defense of their alleged constitutional rights.” Further, Hilliard denounced contemporary white people and their forebears (collectively) as “genocidal murderers of the Red Man”; “users of the atomic bomb upon the Japanese people”; aggressors in “the genocidal and imperialist war against the Vietnamese people”; perpetrators of “the burning of Blacks on the sacred cross of Christianity”; and “the enslavers and exploiters of Blacks in this country right up until this very day.” Moreover, he derided “the whole damn” Constitution as a document that was “invalid in regards to Blacks in particular.”

A chief BPP priority was to harass police officers under the mask of a “political” program. The “self defense” part of that program involved Panther members appearing in public places heavily armed, as a means of standing up defiantly to “police brutality” and America’s allegedly racist power structure. This—coupled with the Party's anti-police (“pig”) rhetoric—caught the political fancy of Sixties radicals who considered themselves to be at war with the United States and were beginning to flirt with “revolutionary violence.”

To be sure, BPP was engaged in veritable warfare against the police, not merely “defending the people” against them. As BPP leader Eldridge Cleaver told Reason magazine years later (in 1986): "We [Panthers] would go out and ambush cops, but if we got caught we would blame it on them and claim innocence."

Whenever possible, BPP actively sought out opportunities to spark confrontations with police. On February 21, 1967, for instance, Huey Newton provided an armed escort for Betty Shabazz, widow of Malcolm X, during a Bay Area speaking engagement. When newsmen tried to get closer to Shabazz than the Panthers wished to allow, police tried to enforce order with their nightsticks. In response, Newton and his fellow Panthers promptly loaded shells into their shotguns. After a tense standoff of several minutes, both sides backed off. Newton, however, boasted that the Panthers had “won” as a result of their “superior firepower.” The incident propelled Newton and the Panthers to national prominence.

On May 2, 1967, some thirty Party members, armed with rifles and shotguns, marched into the California State Assembly in Sacramento to protest an arms-control law that was under consideration for Oakland. This stunning incident brought BPP still more publicity.

By now the Panthers had become a national phenomenon of a magnitude exceeding that of Martin Luther King and other traditional civil-rights leaders. Militant, action-oriented, and above all ideological, BPP offered something that the rest of the civil rights movement, just then descending into separatism and negritude, did not.

But while they were radical icons by day, by night the Panthers grew into a criminal organization that engaged widely in drug dealing, pimping, extortion, theft, assault, and homicide. Indeed, BPP members were arrested 348 times for murder, armed robbery, rape, and burglary in 1969 alone, as Edward J. Epstein has documented.

Embracing the notion of international working-class unity that transcended barriers of color and gender, the Panthers allied themselves with various minority and white revolutionary groups. Throughout this process, BPP viewed itself as the vanguard of America's radical revolution.

Eldrige Cleaver counseled his fellow Panthers to model their tactics on those of the communist revolutions that had already taken place elsewhere. "If you look around the world," he wrote, "you will see that the only countries which have liberated themselves and managed to withstand the tide of counter-revolution are precisely those countries that have strongly Marxist-Leninist parties."[2]

In 1967 and 1968, BPP members sold Mao Zedong's iconic Red Book to students at UC Berkeley in order to raise funds for the purchase of shotguns.[3] By early 1968, the Party had made the book required reading for all its members.

BPP leaders also studied the works of Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Che Guevara, and Ho Chi Minh for guidance on how to establish revolutionary socialism in the U.S. through mass organizing and community-based programs. But no tract influenced the Panthers more profoundly than did Frantz Fanon’s Wretched of the Earth (1965), which condemned colonialism’s legacy and advocated a peasant-led revolution of "absolute violence" as a means of liberating African people. John Patrick Diggins, author of The Rise and Fall of the American Left, writes that BPP “adopted a 'Marxist-Leninist' amalgam that succeeded in combining nationalism with socialism, preaching self-determination along with class struggle.”[4]

Legislative or political reform were of little interest to the Panthers. The “Political Education Kit” for BPP members stated plainly that the organization was an “armed body” whose primary objective was to “establish Revolutionary Political Power for Black People.”[5]

In August 1967, the FBI instructed its counter-intelligence program, COINTELPRO, to “neutralize” such “Black Nationalist Hate Groups” as BPP. The FBI had only five agents available to monitor BPP activities in the entire Bay Area where the Panthers were based. In these circumstances, the Bureau accused some Panthers of being informers and planted letters containing insults purportedly written by one Panther leader to another. The purpose was to divide the group and decrease the level of violence its members could commit against others. But when one Panther had his life threatened for being a suspected informer, the FBI instructed its agents to cease the practice.

In October 1967 Huey Newton shot and killed Oakland police officer John Frey. The evidence against Newton was beyond dispute. But his attorney, Charles Garry, alleged that because the American justice system, from the police through the courts, was thoroughly infested with racism, it would be impossible for a young black like Newton to get a fair trial anywhere in the country. “The system,” Garry claimed, was responsible for putting so many innocent black males in jeopardy.

During his trial for Frey’s killing, Newton became a national hero to New Leftists everywhere. In December 1967 BPP formed a coalition with the Peace and Freedom Party, which was composed mostly of young whites who opposed the Vietnam War. Out of this coalition, the “Free Huey” movement was created by leftists sympathetic to Newton’s effort to fight back against a satanic United States. "Free Huey!" became as charac*teristic a slogan of the Movement as "Bring the Troops Home." In September 1968 Newton was convicted of voluntary manslaughter for the Frey killing and was sentenced to a prison term of fifteen years.

During the two-plus years that Newton was incarcerated, hundreds of new recruits joined the Black Panther Party, many responding to no deeper political message than the Panthers' most famous slogan, "Off the Pig." New BPP chapters were established all over the United States; many—like those in Chicago and Los Angeles—were the result of ghetto street gangs enrolling en bloc.

BPP's leader in Newton's absence was Eldridge Cleaver, who viewed the Panthers as something akin to the Algerian FLN, an organiza*tion capable of sparking and spearheading an armed revolution. It was no longer enough to merely display weapons; under Cleaver's militarism, it was vital to use them.

In February 1968, Stokely Carmichael, former chairman of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) and a nationally known proponent of Black Power, was recruited into BPP and became its "prime minister." Carmichael adamantly opposed permitting whites to join the “black liberation” movement, a position that ran counter to the Panther view.

In the aftermath of the April 1968 assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., BPP, which rejected King’s belief in nonviolent protest, began to provide its members with military training.

Also in April 1968, thirteen Panthers ambushed an Oakland police car with a spray of gunfire, hitting it with 157 shots and badly wounding one officer.[6]

Five months later, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover described BPP as the single “greatest threat to the internal security of the country.”

By the summer of 1969, the alliance between the Panthers and SNCC began to unravel, in large measure because of the dispute over the inclusion of whites in the movement.

Nevertheless, BPP was positioned solidly at the epicenter of the the Sixties radical movement. The Students for a Demoocratic Society—the leading New Left organization of its day—declared the Panthers to be nothing less than "the vanguard of the black revolution." Tom Hayden, the New Left's Everyman, proclaimed them "America's Vietcong"—likening them to the Communist guerrillas who were killing U.S. forces in Southeast Asia—in what he believed was the coming civil war that would engulf the nation. Newton’s (and the Panthers’) contention that blacks constituted an “internal colony” in America and could only be liberated by armed revolution, became standard rhetoric for the Left.

Encouraged by the passionate support of white New Leftists, the Panthers stepped up their pursuit of grim urban warfare against police forces across the country. As Newton lamented to intimates later, the results were all too pre*dictable, as the element of "superior firepower" now belonged wholly to the other side.

But radical mythmakers tried to snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat. They portrayed the Panthers killed in the conflict as not merely dead, but as victims of "genocide." Thus, in 1969, Newton attorney Charles Garry claimed that 31 (or 29 or 28, depending on what day he was being interviewed) Panthers had been "assassinated" by law-enforcement authorities in the preceding two years. While it was true that approximately that many Panthers had indeed been killed since the group's inception, almost all of them had died in the course of criminal activities or in conflicts with other black militants. Of those Panthers who did die at the hands of police, all had provoked the shootouts.

The tenuousness of Panther martyrdom was seen even in the most celebrated claim of innocent victimhood—the death of Chicago Panther Fred Hampton. According to Garry and other Panther supporters, Hampton had been wantonly murdered in his sleep as part of a police-FBI conspiracy. While it was true that Hampton was killed in a crossfire of bullets while sleeping off a drug binge, it was also true that when the police knocked on the door of the apartment, which served as a storage facility for all manner of BPP weaponry, they were greeted by a blast from Panther Mark Clark's shotgun, which initiated the shootout.

Notwithstanding these facts, Garry's assertions were given credibility by the establishment press, which by this time had ceased to maintain a critical distance from the radical worldview. The appeal of Newton and the Panthers spread from the New Left into the pop culture itself as they gained the support of personalities as various as Marlon Brando, Jean Genet, and Yale president Kingman Brewster, and were invited to fundraisers such as the famous get-together at Leonard Bernstein's Manhattan townhouse.

In May 1970 the California Appellate Court reversed Newton’s conviction and ordered a new trial, on grounds that the judge had erred by not giving jurors the option of convicting Newton of involuntary manslaughter. After two more trials that ended with hung juries, the State of California dropped its case against Newton and permitted him to rejoin his BPP comrades in Oakland. By this time, the Party consisted of approximately 2,000 members spread across the United States.

In Oakland, Newton, much to his dismay, found Panther leadership decimated. Cleaver, for one, had fled to Cuba and then to Algeria in 1968 to avoid a trial on charges stemming from a shootout with Oakland police. And Bobby Seale was under indictment in New Haven, Connecticut for the May 1969 torture-murder of a Panther named Alex Rackley, who was falsely believed to be an informer.

In 1970, a young Yale law student named Hillary Rodham (who would eventually become Hillary Rodham Clinton) was introduced by one of her professors, Thomas Emerson (known as “Tommy the Commie”), to Panther defense attorney Charles Garry. Garry helped Miss Rodham get personally involved in the legal defense of several Black Panthers facing trial for the Rackley murder.

In 1971 Newton went to China and met Chou En-lai. He then came home and, sensing that that the Movement was definitely on the downward part of its arc, ordered all BPP chapters nationwide to close their offices and consolidate their efforts by relocating to Oakland. Further, he revamped the organization, saying it was time to “put away the gun” and, quoting Mao, “serve the people.”

Before long, the Panthers initiated a “Free Breakfasts for Children” program which they claimed was responsible for serving 1,000 meals each day to students in San Francisco schools. When one journalist checked the veracity of this figure, however, he found that the actual number of meals served was no more than 50. Moreover, the food was usually extorted from local businessmen. It should also be noted that the Panthers’ “free breakfasts” were political, not charitable, endeavors. The serving of meals was accompanied by question-and-answer recitation drills for the young recipients, drills that characterized the police as “pigs,” and described “the capitalists” as “the pigs who control the country” and “steal from the poor.”

BPP also ran such "service" entities as the George Jackson Free Medical Clinic and the Oakland Community Learning Center, which was the centerpiece of the new BPP strategy. A $150,000 former church complex situated in the East Oakland ghetto, this Learning Center featured a six-grade elementary school replete with a black headmistress and little black children in uniforms. "Each One Teach One" became the new Panther slogan. Some observers were bothered by the regimentation and propaganda that was incorporated into the lessons, but in the eyes of most the school was a worthy model of black self-help. Aided by radical educational theorists such as Herbert Kohl, the Learning Center credentialed instructors through the UC-affiliated "University Without Walls." The Center also had a jazz band and an orchestra funded by the United Air Lines Foundation, and an assortment of community-service programs.

BPP no longer seemed to believe that power grew out of the barrel of a gun, but rather, that it stemmed from community organizing, which had been an emphasis of white radicals before an apocalyptic note entered the New Left (at least partly because of BPP itself) in the mid-Sixties. An indication of what the new Panthers were all about was Bobby Seale's run for mayor of Oakland in 1973. Seale lost, but he gave the city’s white power structure an electoral scare and seemed to point the way to a new black politics that might remake the city.

It is estimated that from 1969-74, the Panthers raised over $7 million for their Learning Center from white liberals and leftists. The Oakland political power structure was likewise ready to deal with the Panthers after Bobby Seale's campaign for mayor, and to make large city grants to the school. The state was ready as well.

But Newton, descending into a full-blown gangster life, sabotaged any chance the Party may have had for long-term success. Indeed, even as he launched the Panthers' new school and its other "survival programs," he was quietly laying the groundwork for the next phase of his ongoing criminal enterprises. Toward that end, he recruited a taciturn six-foot-eight-inch, four-hundred-pound former criminal named Robert Heard, who accompanied Newton everywhere, and a black gunslinger named Larry Henson.

Their criminal activity began with a boycott of black-owned liquor stores, which Newton accused of having "exploited the people." The boycott had to be enforced, often by brute force, and it was only a short step from this to extorting protection money. And once that money flowed, it was but another short step to strong-arming after-hours clubs, the pimps with their stables of prostitutes, and the dope dealers who worked the ghetto. During the space of a few months, there were several unsolved murders that Newton was said to be involved in. The two most notable victims were the Ward brothers, reputed to be the most powerful pimps in the Bay Area. Afterward, BPP took over the operation of Jimmy Ward's Lamppost, an Oakland bar and hangout that was owned by a family survivor.

In August 1974 Newton had a violent falling out with Bobby Seale. He expelled Seale from the Party in a most brutal manner, whipping him mercilessly and then sodomizing him with such force that Seale had to have his anus surgically repaired. As a Party member would later recall, “You have to understand, it had nothing to do with sex. It was about power.”

On August 6, 1974, Newton shot and killed a 17-year-old Bay Area prostitute named Kathleen Smith. Soon afterward, he pistol whipped his tailor, Preston Callins, during a dispute, inflicting four skull fractures on the victim.

Pimps throughout the Bay Area, angry at Newton for having killed one of their breadwinners, put a bounty on Newton’s head, prompting him to disappear from public sight. When Newton failed to show up for his arraignment for the Kathleen Smith murder charges, he was placed on the FBI’s “Most Wanted” list.

It was eventually learned that Newton was in Fidel Castro's Cuba, where he would remain for about three years. During that period, young Elaine Brown, whom Newton had groomed (by means of instruction and violent beatings) to be one of his closest lieutenants, assumed control of BPP's day-to-day activities. It was Newton, however, who maintained ultimate authority from his base in Cuba, relaying his orders to Brown via daily telephone calls.

One of those orders, transmitted in 1974, instructed Brown to end the life of a 42-year-old white woman named Betty Van Patter, who had recently been hired by Brown to keep the financial books for the Panthers' Learning Center in Oakland. Van Patter was unaware that the Panthers were in fact using the Learning Center as a vehicle by which to embezzle millions of dollars in California education funds. Nor did she know that the Center also served as the pretext for a Panther shakedown operation of “after hours” clubs whose owners were required to “donate” weekly sums, on pain of death if they refused. Thus, when she told Elaine Brown about certain irregularities she had found in the Learning Center's financial records, she had no idea that she was treading on forbidden (and deadly) ground. Brown promptly told Newton about Van Patter's findings, and Newton, in turn, demanded Van Patter's execution. The loyal Brown dutifully oversaw the Panthers’ kidnap (on December 13, 1974), rape, and murder of Mrs. Van Patter. On January 13, 1975, the victim’s corpse, with the head caved in, would be found floating in San Francisco Bay.

With Newton in continued exile, BPP’s social and political significance declined and ended by 1976.

It is estimated that during their radical heyday, the Panthers killed more than a dozen people.[7] As Panther leader Eldridge Cleaver acknowledged in a June 15, 1997 Sixty Minutes interview: “If people had listened to Huey Newton and me in the 1960s, there would have been a holocaust in this country.”


NOTES:

[1] Steven Powell, Covert Cadre: Inside The Institute For Policy Studies (Green Hill Publishers, 1987), p. 30.
[2] "Communism and the New Left," US News And World Report, 1970, p. 32.
[3] Maurice Isserman, and Michael Kazin, America Divided: The Civil War of the 1960s (Oxford University Press, 2000), pp. 176-177.
[4] John Diggins, The American Left in the Twentieth Century (Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1973), p. 174.
[5] "Communism and the New Left," US News And World Report, 1970, p. 197
[6] David Farber, The Age of Great Dreams (Hill and Wang, 1994), p. 207.
[7] David Horowitz, The Art of Political War: and Other Radical Pursuits (Spence, 2000), 170.


Portions of this profile are excerpted and adapted from “Baddest: The Life and Times of Huey P. Newton” (Chapter 5 of Destructive Generation, by Peter Collier and David Horowitz, 1989.)
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Yeah, these two organizations are a perfect example for black youth! And people accuse me of hating black people? You sir are by far the most anti black person in this forum! The legacy of the organizations you mentioned are exactly what I was talking about!


ROFLMAO. Make up your mind. You say in one sentence that "disdain for whites" we're the basis of these organizations, now you say they are "anti black"?

At what point in time were YOU in the company of anyone from either organization?

I was there.

You are nothing more than a "street corner philosopher" who never lived a real life experience with either.

Your thread....carry on.


I wasn't in the company of the Nazi Party but I'm fairly certain they were some bad folks. Black people who advocate simply making up a false culture of their own so as to counter white culture are their own worst enemy. You don't throw out a working model. Indeed, they wanted segregation thrown out which is a desirable result. However, they didn't stop there. They wanted everything "white" to be thrown out with it to include capitalism, rule of law, individual liberty, and so forth. What were they going to replace it with? The same garbage every other African country was replacing it with post independence; Marxism, Socialism, & Communism (Influenced heavily by Socialists/Communists like W.E.B. DuBois/Marcus Garvey and their Pan Africanist ilk). Both the Black Panthers and the "United Slaves" represent this trend. it was the disdain for western imperialism that drove the newly independent African countries to Marxist ruin and the same happened post Jim Crow in the United States as the United Slaves and the Black Panthers were pushing Black Nationalist Socialism as a viable alternative. Their message was one of illegitimacy for the rule of law because, in their view, the law reflected whiteness. Hence the increase in black deviance, drug abuse, and violent crime. You can defend your terrorists and murderous felons arrested for cult torture all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that they are a bad influence. The record of the "United Slaves" and the Black Panthers is absolutely clear and its a record of Marxism/Socialism, torture, murder, terror, disrespect for the rule of law, and hatred toward whites.

Your getting more radical in your remarks katsteve. What's going on? I enjoy conversing with ya buddy but your prose have changed.

What a scholar. To think this guy went to jail for torturing and mutilating two women. Why am I not surprised? I like the part where he asks "Who is us?" and Karenga fails to notify him that it stands for "United Slaves." That shows you how disingenuous he is, which of course, katsteve failed to notify us as well. So katsteve, were you torturing and mutilating women with Karenga back in your heyday? Were Gail Davis and Deborah Jones friends of yours?
 
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Well, I guess that taking three months later to come up with a response is better than none at all.

Anyway to address your "response", I grew up in the late 50's and early 60's so the "culture" that I speak of is vastly different than what you imply.

If you actually think that the cultural revolution in the 1960's was based in a "disdain" for whites, you are seriously mistaken. If anything what prevailed during those decades was a well documented disdain for the rights of black people as citizens of this country.

In the 1960's there were two dominant black organizations. One was the Original Black Panthers which was a politically based organization that actually had support and partnership with many whites. Although the Party emerged from black nationalist movements, ultimately, the Panthers condemned black nationalism as "black racism" and became more ideologically focused on socialist revolution without racial exclusivity.

They instituted a variety of community social programs designed to alleviate poverty, improve health among inner city black communities, and soften the Party's public image

The Black Panther Party's most widely known programs were its armed citizens' patrols to evaluate behavior of police officers and its Free Breakfast for Children program.

The other organization that was present at the time was the US Organization, which I personally belonged to, and it's mission was "The creation, re recreation, and circulation of African American culture".

They hosted cultural shows recreating ancient African dance routines, taught cooking of African recipies, did exhibits of African artwork, taught African languages, and made, wore and sold African attire and jewelry, and taught African self defense techniques.

In every daily meeting that I attended with the US Organization from 1968 until 1975, there was never a minute spent on "disdain" for the white population. That was considered an unproductive waste of time.

They chose to teach us to work within our circle of influence and encourage a revolution within those circles that was cerebral, not violent, and in between all of that we were all required to to pursue higher education, if anything, to be equipped to effectively navigate the "culture" of a then hostile country, that actually hated our presence.

What was taught was appreciation for a culture that was lost when Africans arrived in America, as well as preparing youth with a skill set for existing and making a difference in a new land.

It is obvious that you have not read much over the past few months.

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Spare us. It's a bit like saying Capone was a good guy because he funded some soup kitchens in Chicago during the depression.

You have to ask yourself whether anyone would actually buy this shit, beside Asc I mean.

Frankly, I do not care one iota about who "buys" what they choose to, especially in a forum like this. You rely soley on statistics, not life experience, which is unquestionably your right.

I speak from first hand life experience with both of the organizations.

You do not, which makes you someone who has an opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

As an editorial comment, I do not view you as a racist who hates anyone.

However, I DO view you as one who is afflicted with misinformed ignorance, and that is not my problem to repair.

As I stated before, it is your thread.

With that, Carry on.
 
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Frankly, I do not care one iota about who "buys" what they choose to, especially in a forum like this. You rely soley on statistics, not life experience, which is unquestionably your right.

I speak from first hand life experience with both of the organizations.

You do not, which makes you someone who has an opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

As an editorial comment, I do not view you as a racist who hates anyone.

However, I DO view you as one who wjo is afflicted with misinformed ignorance, and that is not my problem to repair.

As I stated before, it is your thread. With that, Carry on.
The organizations you referred to were created and operated by a collection of thugs. Many of them were drug addicts, serial rapists or cop killers (Newton, Cleaver et al) and a lot of them killed each other in "turf wars". There is precious little difference between them and the likes of Al Capone. You might respect them, but if a lot of people think they were/are scumbags, well, get used to it.
 
Frankly, I do not care one iota about who "buys" what they choose to, especially in a forum like this. You rely soley on statistics, not life experience, which is unquestionably your right.

I speak from first hand life experience with both of the organizations.

You do not, which makes you someone who has an opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

As an editorial comment, I do not view you as a racist who hates anyone.

However, I DO view you as one who wjo is afflicted with misinformed ignorance, and that is not my problem to repair.

As I stated before, it is your thread. With that, Carry on.
The organizations you referred to were created and operated by a collection of thugs. Many of them were drug addicts, serial rapists or cop killers (Newton, Cleaver et al) and a lot of them killed each other in "turf wars". There is precious little difference between them and the likes of Al Capone. You might respect them, but if a lot of people think they were/are scumbags, well, get used to it.

Promote thugs as hero's and receive thugs for the next generation. Hence the culture of thuggery prevalent in the black community and the disproportionate crime rates thereof. Then they raise the future of black academia in unfounded excuse making bs education and the cycle continues. See here >>> http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/21/see-what-theyll-be-teaching-in-the-chicago-public-schools/
 
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Got data?

No, there is no data for questions that pollsters will be charged with racism for asking. There is, however, a historic white flight epidemic and a black population protesting for forced bussing so as to get their children into the majority white schools. What more do I need?

That is an excellent response.

White liberals are never so hypocritical as on the subject of school integration. they favor integration "in principle," but they avoid sending their children to predominantly black public schools.

The only whites who attend predominantly black public schools are whites whose parents cannot afford to move or to send them to private schools. What these whites learn close up about blacks makes them Republicans.
 
Frankly, I do not care one iota about who "buys" what they choose to, especially in a forum like this. You rely soley on statistics, not life experience, which is unquestionably your right.

I speak from first hand life experience with both of the organizations.

You do not, which makes you someone who has an opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

As an editorial comment, I do not view you as a racist who hates anyone.

However, I DO view you as one who who is afflicted with misinformed ignorance, and that is not my problem to repair.

As I stated before, it is your thread. With that, Carry on.
The organizations you referred to were created and operated by a collection of thugs. Many of them were drug addicts, serial rapists or cop killers (Newton, Cleaver et al) and a lot of them killed each other in "turf wars". There is precious little difference between them and the likes of Al Capone. You might respect them, but if a lot of people think they were/are scumbags, well, get used to it.

WTF?! SOME of them were, just like SOME of todays leaders of organizations whether they are black, brown or white are.

What YOU obviously do not know, or choose to ignore is that MANY were also committed to the real mission and ideals of their respective organizations.

That being said, I was not talking to you.
 
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Frankly, I do not care one iota about who "buys" what they choose to, especially in a forum like this. You rely soley on statistics, not life experience, which is unquestionably your right.

I speak from first hand life experience with both of the organizations.

You do not, which makes you someone who has an opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

As an editorial comment, I do not view you as a racist who hates anyone.

However, I DO view you as one who wjo is afflicted with misinformed ignorance, and that is not my problem to repair.

As I stated before, it is your thread. With that, Carry on.
The organizations you referred to were created and operated by a collection of thugs. Many of them were drug addicts, serial rapists or cop killers (Newton, Cleaver et al) and a lot of them killed each other in "turf wars". There is precious little difference between them and the likes of Al Capone. You might respect them, but if a lot of people think they were/are scumbags, well, get used to it.

WTF?! SOME of them were, just like SOME of todays leaders of organizations whether they are black, brown or white are.

What YOU obviously do not know, or choose to ignore is that MANY were also committed to the real mission and ideals of their respective organizations.

That being said, I was not talking with you.

Yeah, but the founder and leader of the organization that you were /ARE a part of tortured and mutilated two women. And now, many years later, you are still supporting him? We can hardly call it "some" when the very founder and chair of the organization was a thug himself. So katsteve, were you torturing and mutilating women with Karenga back in your heyday? Were Gail Davis and Deborah Jones friends of yours? Or did you simply look the other way and ignore the thuggish nature as you have for both of these organizations? But you are right, I cant exactly relate to someone who hangs out with people convicted of torture and mutilation. Perhaps by your standard having such a leader/founder isn't a flaw in an organization but it is by mine.
 
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Like I said, dems know how to breed a dependent group of people.

It is not the fault of Democrats that most blacks are less intelligent than most whites, and that many are more dangerous than most whites. It is the fault of Democrats that they refuse to acknowledge the truth about blacks, and that they have made it dangerous for others to tell the truth.
 
Frankly, I do not care one iota about who "buys" what they choose to, especially in a forum like this. You rely soley on statistics, not life experience, which is unquestionably your right.

I speak from first hand life experience with both of the organizations.

You do not, which makes you someone who has an opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

As an editorial comment, I do not view you as a racist who hates anyone.

However, I DO view you as one who who is afflicted with misinformed ignorance, and that is not my problem to repair.

As I stated before, it is your thread. With that, Carry on.
The organizations you referred to were created and operated by a collection of thugs. Many of them were drug addicts, serial rapists or cop killers (Newton, Cleaver et al) and a lot of them killed each other in "turf wars". There is precious little difference between them and the likes of Al Capone. You might respect them, but if a lot of people think they were/are scumbags, well, get used to it.

WTF?! SOME of them were, just like SOME of todays leaders of organizations whether they are black, brown or white are.

What YOU obviously do not know, or choose to ignore is that MANY were also committed to the real mission and ideals of their respective organizations.

That being said, I was not talking to you.
I don't give a rat's ass who you were addressing. They were still a collection of murders and rapists whom you seem to admire. Almost all of them had violent or drug-related deaths which reflected their lives.

They were scumbags, and one can only imagine what class of people those trying to legitimize them are.
 
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Like I said, dems know how to breed a dependent group of people.

It is not the fault of Democrats that most blacks are less intelligent than most whites, and that many are more dangerous than most whites. It is the fault of Democrats that they refuse to acknowledge the truth about blacks, and that they have made it dangerous for others to tell the truth.

Instead of fostering black improvement they foster black entitlement. It is therefore no wonder why black dysfunction has only gown since the end of Jim Crow. The need to end an oppressive system was warranted, however, the promotion of dropping the principles that made us the most powerful/advanced country in the world undermined everything gained by the end of Jim Crow.
 
The organizations you referred to were created and operated by a collection of thugs. Many of them were drug addicts, serial rapists or cop killers (Newton, Cleaver et al) and a lot of them killed each other in "turf wars". There is precious little difference between them and the likes of Al Capone. You might respect them, but if a lot of people think they were/are scumbags, well, get used to it.

WTF?! SOME of them were, just like SOME of todays leaders of organizations whether they are black, brown or white are.

What YOU obviously do not know, or choose to ignore is that MANY were also committed to the real mission and ideals of their respective organizations.

That being said, I was not talking to you.
I don't give a rat's ass who you were addressing. They were still a collection of murders and rapists whom you seem to admire. Almost all of them had violent or drug-related deaths which reflected their lives.

They were scumbags, and one can only imagine what class of people those trying to legitimize them are.

Indeed the very leader and founder of the organization he is/was a part of was imprisoned for torturing and mutilating two women. And yet, he still blindly follows/promotes the same man and the same organization. And the whole time he doesn't see the problem with it all.
 
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The organizations you referred to were created and operated by a collection of thugs. Many of them were drug addicts, serial rapists or cop killers (Newton, Cleaver et al) and a lot of them killed each other in "turf wars". There is precious little difference between them and the likes of Al Capone. You might respect them, but if a lot of people think they were/are scumbags, well, get used to it.

WTF?! SOME of them were, just like SOME of todays leaders of organizations whether they are black, brown or white are.

What YOU obviously do not know, or choose to ignore is that MANY were also committed to the real mission and ideals of their respective organizations.

That being said, I was not talking with you.

Yeah, but the founder and leader of the organization that you were /ARE a part of tortured and mutilated two women. And now, many years later, you are still supporting him? We can hardly call it "some" when the very founder and chair of the organization was a thug himself. So katsteve, were you torturing and mutilating women with Karenga back in your heyday? Were Gail Davis and Deborah Jones friends of yours? Or did you simply look the other way and ignore the thuggish nature as you have for both of these organizations? But you are right, I cant exactly relate to someone who hangs out with people convicted of torture and mutilation. Perhaps by your standard having such a leader/founder isn't a flaw in an organization but it is by mine.

Where did I say that I "relate" to torturing women? I do not. What I related to at the time were the PRINCIPLES of the organization.

This "discussion" began with you stating that "black culture" was based on "disdain for whites".

I provided you with feedback and information on an organization that I belonged to was not based on that.

Now you are trying to feign outrage over the torture of two black women by the founder in an attempt to discredit the basic principles of that same organization?

There is more history on that regarding him parting ways with the original organization, but I am not going to waste time with the likes of you going over that.

This is not about the personal shortcomings of one person, it is about the ideals of a cultural movement.

We both know that it is most probable that you could not care less about those women, and the truth is that you are probably gleeful over their pain, so you may stop with the fake outrage at any time, and stick to the subject matter, which was what the organization originally stood for, and I will repeat, had nothing to do with disdain or hatred of the white population.
 
WTF?! SOME of them were, just like SOME of todays leaders of organizations whether they are black, brown or white are.

What YOU obviously do not know, or choose to ignore is that MANY were also committed to the real mission and ideals of their respective organizations.

That being said, I was not talking with you.

Yeah, but the founder and leader of the organization that you were /ARE a part of tortured and mutilated two women. And now, many years later, you are still supporting him? We can hardly call it "some" when the very founder and chair of the organization was a thug himself. So katsteve, were you torturing and mutilating women with Karenga back in your heyday? Were Gail Davis and Deborah Jones friends of yours? Or did you simply look the other way and ignore the thuggish nature as you have for both of these organizations? But you are right, I cant exactly relate to someone who hangs out with people convicted of torture and mutilation. Perhaps by your standard having such a leader/founder isn't a flaw in an organization but it is by mine.

Where did I say that I "relate" to torturing women? I do not. What I related to at the time were the PRINCIPLES of the organization.

This "discussion" began with you stating that "black culture" was based on "disdain for whites".

I provided you with feedback and information on an organization that I belonged to was not based on that.

Now you are trying to feign outrage over the torture of two black women by the founder in an attempt to discredit the basic principles of that same organization?

There is more history on that regarding him parting ways with the original organization, but I am not going to waste time with the likes of you going over that.

This is not about the personal shortcomings of one person, it is about the ideals of a cultural movement.

We both know that it is most probable that you could not care less about those women, and the truth is that you are probably gleeful over their pain, so you may stop with the fake outrage at any time, and stick to the subject matter, which was what the organization originally stood for, and I will repeat, had nothing to do with disdain or hatred of the white population.

I'll bet you swore up and down he was innocent at the time huh? Indeed, if an organization whose principles I agree with is led by a fella who fancies torture and disfigurement I would find/found another organization. Nevertheless, that organization is a perfect example of what I was talking about. An organization founded on socialism/Marxism/communism, and why? It goes back to the Pan African movement whereas blacks were trying to unite under a rejection western culture.

Of course, I did stick to the subject but you ignored it. I explained everything here

I wasn't in the company of the Nazi Party but I'm fairly certain they were some bad folks. Black people who advocate simply making up a false culture of their own so as to counter white culture are their own worst enemy. You don't throw out a working model. Indeed, they wanted segregation thrown out which is a desirable result. However, they didn't stop there. They wanted everything "white" to be thrown out with it to include capitalism, rule of law, individual liberty, and so forth. What were they going to replace it with? The same garbage every other African country was replacing it with post independence; Marxism, Socialism, & Communism (Influenced heavily by Socialists/Communists like W.E.B. DuBois/Marcus Garvey and their Pan Africanist ilk). Both the Black Panthers and the "United Slaves" represent this trend. it was the disdain for western imperialism that drove the newly independent African countries to Marxist ruin and the same happened post Jim Crow in the United States as the United Slaves and the Black Panthers were pushing Black Nationalist Socialism as a viable alternative. Their message was one of illegitimacy for the rule of law because, in their view, the law reflected whiteness. Hence the increase in black deviance, drug abuse, and violent crime. You can defend your terrorists and murderous felons arrested for cult torture all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that they are a bad influence. The record of the "United Slaves" and the Black Panthers is absolutely clear and its a record of Marxism/Socialism, torture, murder, terror, disrespect for the rule of law, and hatred toward whites.
 
Got data?

No, there is no data for questions that pollsters will be charged with racism for asking. There is, however, a historic white flight epidemic and a black population protesting for forced bussing so as to get their children into the majority white schools. What more do I need?

That is an excellent response.

White liberals are never so hypocritical as on the subject of school integration. they favor integration "in principle," but they avoid sending their children to predominantly black public schools.

The only whites who attend predominantly black public schools are whites whose parents cannot afford to move or to send them to private schools. What these whites learn close up about blacks makes them Republicans.

As difficult as it may be for Jake to find data, its really quite simple.

Thanks to the Dept of Education, the Feds demand data profiling the racial content of every public school. Many states also rate the scholastic performance of each school.

Cross referencing is pretty simple.

If Jake would like to accept the challenge, I'll post the names of 20 public schools with low numbers of blacks that are rated well above average if he can find 10 public schools with high black populations that are rated well above average.

I'll not be holding my breath.
 
No, there is no data for questions that pollsters will be charged with racism for asking. There is, however, a historic white flight epidemic and a black population protesting for forced bussing so as to get their children into the majority white schools. What more do I need?

That is an excellent response.

White liberals are never so hypocritical as on the subject of school integration. they favor integration "in principle," but they avoid sending their children to predominantly black public schools.

The only whites who attend predominantly black public schools are whites whose parents cannot afford to move or to send them to private schools. What these whites learn close up about blacks makes them Republicans.

As difficult as it may be for Jake to find data, its really quite simple.

Thanks to the Dept of Education, the Feds demand data profiling the racial content of every public school. Many states also rate the scholastic performance of each school.

Cross referencing is pretty simple.

If Jake would like to accept the challenge, I'll post the names of 20 public schools with low numbers of blacks that are rated well above average if he can find 10 public schools with high black populations that are rated well above average.

I'll not be holding my breath.

Indeed, I have done this many times. Jake simply refuses to debate the data or offer some of his own.
 
That is an excellent response.

White liberals are never so hypocritical as on the subject of school integration. they favor integration "in principle," but they avoid sending their children to predominantly black public schools.

The only whites who attend predominantly black public schools are whites whose parents cannot afford to move or to send them to private schools. What these whites learn close up about blacks makes them Republicans.

As difficult as it may be for Jake to find data, its really quite simple.

Thanks to the Dept of Education, the Feds demand data profiling the racial content of every public school. Many states also rate the scholastic performance of each school.

Cross referencing is pretty simple.

If Jake would like to accept the challenge, I'll post the names of 20 public schools with low numbers of blacks that are rated well above average if he can find 10 public schools with high black populations that are rated well above average.

I'll not be holding my breath.

Indeed, I have done this many times. Jake simply refuses to debate the data or offer some of his own.

Jake has never offered any data of his own, here or in any other thread.

I'd be shocked if he spent time looking for the needles among the haystack to find 10 public school which have black majorities, and are academically highly rated.

Obviously, ALL the thread's poll respondents want to send children where they can receive a good education, but NOT EVEN ONE even the most rabid Fan of Obama, believed this could happen at a school having a majority of black students.
 
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As difficult as it may be for Jake to find data, its really quite simple.

Thanks to the Dept of Education, the Feds demand data profiling the racial content of every public school. Many states also rate the scholastic performance of each school.

Cross referencing is pretty simple.

If Jake would like to accept the challenge, I'll post the names of 20 public schools with low numbers of blacks that are rated well above average if he can find 10 public schools with high black populations that are rated well above average.

I'll not be holding my breath.

Indeed, I have done this many times. Jake simply refuses to debate the data or offer some of his own.

Jake has never offered any data of his own, here or in any other thread.

I'd be shocked if he spent time looking for the needles among the haystack to find 10 public school which have black majorities, and are academically highly rated.

Obviously, ALL the thread's poll respondents want to send children where they can receive a good education, but NOT EVEN ONE even the most rabid Fan of Obama, believed this could happen at a school having a majority of black students.

Well, if I was the head of a black family that lived in a black neighborhood I would want my kids to avoid the majority black schools too. I would want my kids to have as many white friends as possible. I would bust my ass so as to afford the whitest neighborhood I could get my family into. Any parent who loves their children would do the same. It isn't about race, but the objective reality that life is better the further away you get from the negative influences black culture. Indeed, the moment an electoral district, city, or other municipality gains enough black people to vote for black representatives who share their interests, the city ultimately eats itself from the inside out. Detroit, Birmingham, Jackson MI, and the list goes on. Where you find black culture you find black dysfunction.
 
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