Would you support this gun reform bill?

[Big Bend Texas]

You liberals love to blame the big bad NRA for your failure to pass draconian gun laws that would disarm American citizens.

The fact is it is the voters the politicians fear rather than the NRA. Gun legislation this year will be mild at the best as it is an election year and politicians realize that passing something like another Assault Weapons Ban will lead to their being voted out of office if they voted for the legislation.

You damn right gun owners oppose any and all infringements on their Second Amendment rights. We give you an inch and you try to take a mile. How about you start enforcing existing gun laws against criminals rather than honest people.

Suspects walk free after arrests by NYPD’s new anti-gun teams

The NYPD said the new Neighborhood Safety Teams made 25 gun arrests in their first three weeks since launching in March.

nypost.com

They target the NRA because it's been the single most effective tool we've ever had to counter the attempts of the anti gun zealots to disarm us.

 

[pknopp]

The only "ban" was a ban in new imports of fully automatic firearms. That is why prices are so high for them today.

So, it was a ban. Would it be OK to ban new AR15 sales now?

 

[pknopp]

You should probably read your citation and quit embarrassing yourself.

I find replies like this sad. What exactly am I suppose to read that you believe I have not?

 

[pknopp]

They target the NRA because it's been the single most effective tool we've ever had to counter the attempts of the anti gun zealots to disarm us.

NRA leadership is as corrupt as you will find in any leadership. People are so invested in their beliefs that they will not even condemn corruption within their ranks.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

NRA leadership is as corrupt as you will find in any leadership. People are so invested in their beliefs that they will not even condemn corruption within their ranks.

What does that have to do with anything I've stated on the subject?

Flawed as the organization may be at the top they have been and remain the single best weapon we have in combatting the anti gun movement in the US.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

So, it was a ban. Would it be OK to ban new AR15 sales now?

No.

 

[Batcat]

They target the NRA because it's been the single most effective tool we've ever had to counter the attempts of the anti gun zealots to disarm us.

The NRA informs me who I should vote for and I usually follow their recommendations.

NRA-PVF | Grades and Endorsements

The Official NRA Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF) is NRA's political action committee. The NRA-PVF ranks political candidates - irrespective of party affiliation - based on voting records, and public statements.

www.nrapvf.org

 

[2aguy]

I have an idea of a new gun reform bill which I feel would be a fair compromise between both sides of the issue.

The basically layout of the bill is as follows....

1; A complete ban on direct private person-to-person sales & the establishment of Firearms Brokerages.
Under this law, it would be illegal for a gun owner to sale their gun to another person. Instead, all private sales would be required to go through firearms brokerages. These would be private businesses which handle all private sales. They would handle background checks, would hold firearms during required waiting periods, etc. Brokerages would also keep records of all sales, and customers. They would have on record the name, address, and other information of any person who purchased a firearm. This information would only be made available to law enforcement or the government with a warrant signed by a judge.

2; A complete ban on all full auto weapons, and all attachments and modifications which allow a semi-auto weapon fire at a full auto or near full-auto rate. Possession of a functional full-auto weapon, except by military or law enforcement, or licensed private security firms would be a federal felony.

3; A ban on public carry of all firearms which are not properly holstered. In other words, no more carrying rifles and shotguns around. And no carrying sidearms unless they are in a proper holster. Again this wouldn't apply to on-duty law enforcement, military, or licensed private security firms who are actively performing their duties.

4; Active prosecution of any state or local clerks or officials who fail to properly log mental health or criminal histories into the federal background check database. Cases of neglect, would result in misdemeanor charges. Cases where a person is found to have intentionally refused to properly report this information would result in felony charges.

5; Automatic accomplice charges for all cases where a gun is knowingly sold to a criminal. What this means is that if a personally knowingly and intentionally sales a gun to a criminal, they will be automatically charged as accomplices to any crimes committed using that gun. If the criminal uses the gun to murder someone, the seller will be charged with murder.

6; No second amendment rights to any person who is a member of any organization which is designated as a terrorist group, a criminal organization, or is currently being investigated for a violent and/or gang related crime.

No.......I support this compromise proposal...

Here is my proposed gun control compromise following the latest attack on children that millions of us did not commit. Ready? You gun fascists can kiss my Schumer and we keep our guns. In fact, let's also repeal the National Firearms Act and impose national constitutional carry. I think this compromise fairly balances our respective legitimate interests regarding guns. Our legitimate interest is maintaining the capacity to deter and defeat tyrants and criminals. Your legitimate interest in limiting our ability to do so is non-existent.

No Compromise on Guns

Here is my proposed gun control compromise following the latest attack on children that millions of us did not commit.

townhall.com

 

[2aguy]

I have an idea of a new gun reform bill which I feel would be a fair compromise between both sides of the issue.

The basically layout of the bill is as follows....

1; A complete ban on direct private person-to-person sales & the establishment of Firearms Brokerages.
Under this law, it would be illegal for a gun owner to sale their gun to another person. Instead, all private sales would be required to go through firearms brokerages. These would be private businesses which handle all private sales. They would handle background checks, would hold firearms during required waiting periods, etc. Brokerages would also keep records of all sales, and customers. They would have on record the name, address, and other information of any person who purchased a firearm. This information would only be made available to law enforcement or the government with a warrant signed by a judge.

2; A complete ban on all full auto weapons, and all attachments and modifications which allow a semi-auto weapon fire at a full auto or near full-auto rate. Possession of a functional full-auto weapon, except by military or law enforcement, or licensed private security firms would be a federal felony.

3; A ban on public carry of all firearms which are not properly holstered. In other words, no more carrying rifles and shotguns around. And no carrying sidearms unless they are in a proper holster. Again this wouldn't apply to on-duty law enforcement, military, or licensed private security firms who are actively performing their duties.

4; Active prosecution of any state or local clerks or officials who fail to properly log mental health or criminal histories into the federal background check database. Cases of neglect, would result in misdemeanor charges. Cases where a person is found to have intentionally refused to properly report this information would result in felony charges.

5; Automatic accomplice charges for all cases where a gun is knowingly sold to a criminal. What this means is that if a personally knowingly and intentionally sales a gun to a criminal, they will be automatically charged as accomplices to any crimes committed using that gun. If the criminal uses the gun to murder someone, the seller will be charged with murder.

6; No second amendment rights to any person who is a member of any organization which is designated as a terrorist group, a criminal organization, or is currently being investigated for a violent and/or gang related crime.

So.....when the democrat party designates the NRA as a "terrorist group," or designates parents who go to school board meetings as terrorists...they lose their gun Rights?

Do you understand how dumb this idea is?

Under your #6 the democrat party and all it's members would be designated as a terrorist group for its involvment with blm/antifa and the 7 months of burning, looting and killing that they did in black neighborhoods...right?

Or do you think only the groups you disagree with would be considered "terrorist groups?"

 

[Batcat]

The NRA is a gun manufacturing lobby, with it's leaders all owning millions of dollars in tock in those companies. They have a long history of opposing any and all refrms or laws which would negatively effect the profits of gun makers., including opposing background checks for mental illness, because crazy people tend to like to own guns. I would would take any claims made by anyone associated with the NRA with a grain of salt.

That’s your choice to not believe the NRA. The bottom line of my article was that it was impossible to tell if the Assaut Weapons Ban had any effect either way.

 

[2aguy]

I have an idea of a new gun reform bill which I feel would be a fair compromise between both sides of the issue.

The basically layout of the bill is as follows....

1; A complete ban on direct private person-to-person sales & the establishment of Firearms Brokerages.
Under this law, it would be illegal for a gun owner to sale their gun to another person. Instead, all private sales would be required to go through firearms brokerages. These would be private businesses which handle all private sales. They would handle background checks, would hold firearms during required waiting periods, etc. Brokerages would also keep records of all sales, and customers. They would have on record the name, address, and other information of any person who purchased a firearm. This information would only be made available to law enforcement or the government with a warrant signed by a judge.

2; A complete ban on all full auto weapons, and all attachments and modifications which allow a semi-auto weapon fire at a full auto or near full-auto rate. Possession of a functional full-auto weapon, except by military or law enforcement, or licensed private security firms would be a federal felony.

3; A ban on public carry of all firearms which are not properly holstered. In other words, no more carrying rifles and shotguns around. And no carrying sidearms unless they are in a proper holster. Again this wouldn't apply to on-duty law enforcement, military, or licensed private security firms who are actively performing their duties.

4; Active prosecution of any state or local clerks or officials who fail to properly log mental health or criminal histories into the federal background check database. Cases of neglect, would result in misdemeanor charges. Cases where a person is found to have intentionally refused to properly report this information would result in felony charges.

5; Automatic accomplice charges for all cases where a gun is knowingly sold to a criminal. What this means is that if a personally knowingly and intentionally sales a gun to a criminal, they will be automatically charged as accomplices to any crimes committed using that gun. If the criminal uses the gun to murder someone, the seller will be charged with murder.

6; No second amendment rights to any person who is a member of any organization which is designated as a terrorist group, a criminal organization, or is currently being investigated for a violent and/or gang related crime.

1; A complete ban on direct private person-to-person sales & the establishment of Firearms Brokerages.
Under this law, it would be illegal for a gun owner to sale their gun to another person. Instead, all private sales would be required to go through firearms brokerages. These would be private businesses which handle all private sales. They would handle background checks, would hold firearms during required waiting periods, etc. Brokerages would also keep records of all sales, and customers. They would have on record the name, address, and other information of any person who purchased a firearm. This information would only be made available to law enforcement or the government with a warrant signed by a judge.


Yes...we know........you want to register guns, either from ignorance, or intent.....the Germans registered guns in the 1920s......15 years later they began the murder of 15 million people......after they used the gun registration lists in the 1920s to take guns away from Jews and their political enemies........

So....no....FGY....with all due respect.

 

[2aguy]

5; Automatic accomplice charges for all cases where a gun is knowingly sold to a criminal. What this means is that if a personally knowingly and intentionally sales a gun to a criminal, they will be automatically charged as accomplices to any crimes committed using that gun. If the criminal uses the gun to murder someone, the seller will be charged with murder.
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anybody can be a criminals is they have an AR 15 or some others. I vote for only 10 cartridges for any magazine.

We already have that law.....you idiots........

The democrats currently refuse to prosecute straw buyers......

 

[2aguy]

The assault ban in 1993 did a lot of good, Bush Jr let it sunset in 2003.

It didn't do anything.......

• The decline in the use of AWs has been due primarily to a reduction in the use of assault pistols (APs), which are used in crime more commonly than assault rifles (ARs). There has not been a clear decline in the use of ARs, though assessments are complicated by the rarity of crimes with these weapons and by substitution of post-ban rifles that are very similar to the banned AR models.
  
  
  
  1. It is Premature to Make Definitive Assessments of the Ban’s Impact on Gun Crime
  2. • Because the ban has not yet reduced the use of LCMs in crime, we cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation’s recent drop in gun violence. However, the ban’s exemption of millions of pre-ban AWs and LCMs ensured that the effects
     
     
     • Should it be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement. AWs were rarely used in gun crimes even before the ban. LCMs are involved in a more substantial share of gun crimes, but it is not clear how often the outcomes of gun attacks depend on the ability of offenders to fire more than ten shots (the current magazine capacity limit) without reloading.

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/204431.pdf

when one takes into account data from the years 1994 to 2003 — when the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Act was effective.
During this period, the National Institute of Justice, along with University of Pennsylvania criminologist Dan Woods, found that the United States “cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation’s recent drop in gun violence … there has been no discernible reduction in the lethality and injuriousness of gun violence.” John Lott of The Wall Street Journal, who mentions the study in his 2013 piece on crime, alludes to a 5.7 per 100,000 murder rate prior to the ban expiring — in conjunction with the fact that the murder rate fell to 4.7 per 100,000, in 2011.
Similarly, a 2018 study from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health found zero substantiation that “assault weapons bans” will lower “the incidence of fatal mass shootings.” Most of all, the Bloomberg-funded research “did not find an independent association between assault weapon bans and the incidence of fatal mass shootings after controlling for the effects of bans on large-capacity magazines.”
Biden’s nonsensical position on banning assault weapons

 

[2aguy]

In May 1994, former presidents Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan, wrote to the U.S. House of Representatives in support of banning "semi-automatic assault guns."

Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They were wrong....you dumb ass.....

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The assault ban in 1993 did a lot of good,

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Compromise:

Repeal all federal gun laws.

Repeal all state and local gun laws.

In exchange for

free mental health care.

Otherwise,FUCK OFF

That's a compromise!

 

[Blues Man]

So, it was a ban. Would it be OK to ban new AR15 sales now?

What's the point?

There are literally hundreds of other rifles out there that shoot the same round that would not be banned.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

So.....when the democrat party designates the NRA as a "terrorist group," or designates parents who go to school board meetings as terrorists...they lose their gun Rights?

Do you understand how dumb this idea is?

Under your #6 the democrat party and all it's members would be designated as a terrorist group for its involvment [sic] with blm/antifa and the 7 months of burning, looting and killing that they did in black neighborhoods...right?

Or do you think only the groups you disagree with would be considered "terrorist groups?"

It seems that those on the left wrong are incapable of considering, when they demand new government powers to be used against those with whom they disagree; what might happen of those with whom they disagree wind up in control of government, with the ability to turn those same powers back against them.

 

[2aguy]

What's the point?

There are literally hundreds of other rifles out there that shoot the same round that would not be banned.

Let me fix that for you....politely.....

There are literally hundreds of other rifles out there that shoot the same round that would not be banned.

........until the next mass public shooting .......then they will ban those too....

There, that covers it..

 

[j-mac]

Congress decides the budget, not the President

Well aware…who signs that budget into law?