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You made a typo. It is: in the year of our Lord. Lord is capitalized because it is in reverence to Christ dying on the cross for our sins.
No where did I state that the Constitution was a "Christian" document. I said that it was influenced by Christian faiths.
Hollie (the little chickenshit) wanted "a single" reference to Christianity, and was given one. Like you, denial, denial, denial, even though it is written in black and white, part of our documented history. I understand, you two find corruption so much more appealing than the Lord. I pray He will be merciful, and you will search for the Truth (notice the capitalization, that is in reference and reverence to Christ).
I'm sure I somehow missed your reference to christianity in the constitution. Please point me to that reference.
The entire constitution is rules that limit the government's involvement in the citizen's lives. It is clearly a muzzle on the state's ability to dictate to the citizenry what it can and cannot do within the paradigm of the federal mandate. Certainly rule of law is to be enforced, but that is also controlled at the local level. So it is not any news that government is restrained from interfering with religion.
What is not being said here is that once you are not allowed to interfere in favor of one religion, you must again be neutral across the board because any favortism to one religion must by definition be done so at the expense of another religion, or no religion.
That is why I'm fascinated to see your reference to christianity in the constitution.
Cause you are a chickenshit. I told you where it was:
Article. VII.
The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
The Word, "the," being interlined between the seventh and eighth Lines of the first Page, the Word "Thirty" being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page, The Words "is tried" being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word "the" being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page.
Attest William Jackson Secretary
done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
G°. Washington
Presidt and deputy from Virginia
Delaware
Geo: Read
Gunning Bedford jun
John Dickinson
Richard Bassett
Jaco: Broom
Maryland
James McHenry
Dan of St Thos. Jenifer
Danl. Carroll
Virginia
John Blair
James Madison Jr.
North Carolina
Wm. Blount
Richd. Dobbs Spaight
Hu Williamson
South Carolina
J. Rutledge
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
Charles Pinckney
Pierce Butler
Georgia
William Few
Abr Baldwin
New Hampshire
John Langdon
Nicholas Gilman
Massachusetts
Nathaniel Gorham
Rufus King
Connecticut
Wm. Saml. Johnson
Roger Sherman
New York
Alexander Hamilton
New Jersey
Wil: Livingston
David Brearley
Wm. Paterson
Jona: Dayton
Pennsylvania
B Franklin
Thomas Mifflin
Robt. Morris
Geo. Clymer
Thos. FitzSimons
Jared Ingersoll
James Wilson
Gouv Morris
All the people that signed it agreed that it was the Year of "their" Lord. The Bill of Rights Pre-amble does not have that notation for the date. There is your "single" reference.
BTW, I noticed you ran away from declaring Jefferson and Washington to be deists or some such, not really religious after I posted their prayers. Are you too arrogant to admit you were wrong? It is okay, arrogance is mentioned frequently in the Bible as something to avoid.
I'm sure one of them will be along presently to bludgeon me with their proof texts and whatnot, praise Jebus.What exactly is the point of getting your panties in a wad over whether the US is or is not a "Christian nation"?
beats me.
ask one of the wingnuts.
try the one that's hung up on *year of our lord*
s/he's a hoot
I'm sure I somehow missed your reference to christianity in the constitution. Please point me to that reference.
The entire constitution is rules that limit the government's involvement in the citizen's lives. It is clearly a muzzle on the state's ability to dictate to the citizenry what it can and cannot do within the paradigm of the federal mandate. Certainly rule of law is to be enforced, but that is also controlled at the local level. So it is not any news that government is restrained from interfering with religion.
What is not being said here is that once you are not allowed to interfere in favor of one religion, you must again be neutral across the board because any favortism to one religion must by definition be done so at the expense of another religion, or no religion.
That is why I'm fascinated to see your reference to christianity in the constitution.
Cause you are a chickenshit. I told you where it was:
Article. VII.
The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
The Word, "the," being interlined between the seventh and eighth Lines of the first Page, the Word "Thirty" being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page, The Words "is tried" being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word "the" being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page.
Attest William Jackson Secretary
done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
G°. Washington
Presidt and deputy from Virginia
Delaware
Geo: Read
Gunning Bedford jun
John Dickinson
Richard Bassett
Jaco: Broom
Maryland
James McHenry
Dan of St Thos. Jenifer
Danl. Carroll
Virginia
John Blair
James Madison Jr.
North Carolina
Wm. Blount
Richd. Dobbs Spaight
Hu Williamson
South Carolina
J. Rutledge
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
Charles Pinckney
Pierce Butler
Georgia
William Few
Abr Baldwin
New Hampshire
John Langdon
Nicholas Gilman
Massachusetts
Nathaniel Gorham
Rufus King
Connecticut
Wm. Saml. Johnson
Roger Sherman
New York
Alexander Hamilton
New Jersey
Wil: Livingston
David Brearley
Wm. Paterson
Jona: Dayton
Pennsylvania
B Franklin
Thomas Mifflin
Robt. Morris
Geo. Clymer
Thos. FitzSimons
Jared Ingersoll
James Wilson
Gouv Morris
All the people that signed it agreed that it was the Year of "their" Lord. The Bill of Rights Pre-amble does not have that notation for the date. There is your "single" reference.
BTW, I noticed you ran away from declaring Jefferson and Washington to be deists or some such, not really religious after I posted their prayers. Are you too arrogant to admit you were wrong? It is okay, arrogance is mentioned frequently in the Bible as something to avoid.
So...you are now on record believing that ALL documents with "Year of Our Lord" in it...or AD in it...are christian documents.
I have a few World History books here with timelines with BC and AD in them....who knew they were religious tracts.
BTW...which "lord" does that date refer to? Does it say?
The phrase "Christian nation" goes against much of what the USA is all about.
I'm sure I somehow missed your reference to christianity in the constitution. Please point me to that reference.
Hollie...have you been in the Capitol Rotunda? It's fascinating to look up and see, in the dome, George Washington as a god, wearing robes, in the clouds....interesting for a government to supposedly be influenced by christianity yet oodles upon oodles of pagan references in and around our main government buildings.
That actually jogged my memory as I was in the buliding probably 10 or 11 years ago.
What I think people need to consider is the genius of the FF's and the system of laws they established.
Think of whatever your religion is, and then ask yourself, how would you feel if you were forced to pledge to a god you didn't believe in? To many, it is of no consequence, but that's because most of those who say that are comfortable with being made to pledge and trust in the generic god their government forced on everyone in the mid 1950's. So a Christian is going to be happy with IGWT on his money. But suppose that said "In Allah We Trust"? Then how would you feel? Imagine in the US saying, "I pledge allegience.. one nation, under Allah... etc."
I'll bet Christians wouldn't like it at all-- they would feel they are being forced to pay homage to a god they don't worship. And to that, I would say "Exactly -- now how is that any different from an atheist having to pay homage to any god at all?" It isn't. And that is how the atheist feels--- forced to kowtow to a superstition he doesn't believe in.
The solution is really easy -- by constituional decree, no one is forced not to acknowledge their beliefs -- you wanna pray is school? Go ahead, pray-- you are allowed to do that. You want to say "one nation under God/Jesus/Allah/Beelzebub/Guiseppe/WingWang/Whomever" -- go ahead the government is not and can not stop you!
What you can't do is force everyone else to do it. You cannot hand the 10 commandments in a courtroom, with the first 3 rules about kowtowing to a specific god, and then say all people and all beliefs are equal in the site of the law-- they are only if they also embrace those tenets. Well, I can embrace not stealing and murdering and so on because it's the right thing to do for a peaceful society, but who are you to tell me I must have this one god and no other god before him? What if I prefer Vishnu?
And that is what the contention is about. The constitution forbids government from favoring one religion over another for the benefit of all religions and no religion.
For the revisionist that want to pretend our great United States tradition is not based entirely in Chrisitianity, I present the Charter of Delaware 1701:
FIRST
BECAUSE no People can be truly happy, though under the greatest Enjoyment of Civil Liberties, if abridged of the Freedom of their Consciences, as to their Religious Profession and Worship: And Almighty God being the only Lord of Conscience, Father of Lights and Spirits; and the Author as well as Object of all divine Knowledge, Faith and Worship, who only doth enlighten the Minds, and persuade and convince the Understandings of People, I do hereby grant and declare, That no Person or Persons, inhabiting In this Province or Territories, who shall confess and acknowledge One almighty God, the Creator, Upholder and Ruler of the World; and professes him or themselves obliged to live quietly under the Civil Government, shall be in any Case molested or prejudiced, in his or their Person or Estate, because of his or their conscientious Persuasion or Practice, nor be compelled to frequent or maintain any religious Worship, Place or Ministry, contrary to his or their Mind, or to do or suffer any other Act or Thing, contrary to their religious Persuasion.
AND that all Persons who also profess to believe in Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the World, shall be capable (notwithstanding their other Persuasions and Practices in Point of Conscience and Religion) to serve this Government in any Capacity, both legislatively and executively, he or they solemnly promising, when lawfully required, Allegiance to the King as Sovereign, and Fidelity to the Proprietary and Governpr, and taking the Attests as now established by the Law made at Newcastle, in the Year One Thousand and Seven Hundred, entituled, An Act directing the Attests of several Officers and Ministers, as now amended and confirmed this present Assembly.
That's so silly.
Zeus is the Saviour of the World. He must be - The "S" in Saviour is uppercase.
There are days that I am partial to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, myself.
Cause you are a chickenshit. I told you where it was:
Article. VII.
The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
The Word, "the," being interlined between the seventh and eighth Lines of the first Page, the Word "Thirty" being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page, The Words "is tried" being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word "the" being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page.
Attest William Jackson Secretary
done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
G°. Washington
Presidt and deputy from Virginia
Delaware
Geo: Read
Gunning Bedford jun
John Dickinson
Richard Bassett
Jaco: Broom
Maryland
James McHenry
Dan of St Thos. Jenifer
Danl. Carroll
Virginia
John Blair
James Madison Jr.
North Carolina
Wm. Blount
Richd. Dobbs Spaight
Hu Williamson
South Carolina
J. Rutledge
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
Charles Pinckney
Pierce Butler
Georgia
William Few
Abr Baldwin
New Hampshire
John Langdon
Nicholas Gilman
Massachusetts
Nathaniel Gorham
Rufus King
Connecticut
Wm. Saml. Johnson
Roger Sherman
New York
Alexander Hamilton
New Jersey
Wil: Livingston
David Brearley
Wm. Paterson
Jona: Dayton
Pennsylvania
B Franklin
Thomas Mifflin
Robt. Morris
Geo. Clymer
Thos. FitzSimons
Jared Ingersoll
James Wilson
Gouv Morris
All the people that signed it agreed that it was the Year of "their" Lord. The Bill of Rights Pre-amble does not have that notation for the date. There is your "single" reference.
BTW, I noticed you ran away from declaring Jefferson and Washington to be deists or some such, not really religious after I posted their prayers. Are you too arrogant to admit you were wrong? It is okay, arrogance is mentioned frequently in the Bible as something to avoid.
So...you are now on record believing that ALL documents with "Year of Our Lord" in it...or AD in it...are christian documents.
I have a few World History books here with timelines with BC and AD in them....who knew they were religious tracts.
BTW...which "lord" does that date refer to? Does it say?
Ding Ding Ding. Strawman again. He didn't say it was a Christian document.
That's so silly.
Zeus is the Saviour of the World. He must be - The "S" in Saviour is uppercase.
There are days that I am partial to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, myself.
So you really think that Madison or Jefferson might have been thinking of Zeus or the FSM when they mentioned God?
Lol, maybe I was wrong; maybe you are indeed a moron.
I'll do you one better. From Wiki:
The Articles of Confederation, formally the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, was an agreement among the 13 founding states that established the United States of America as a confederation of sovereign states and served as its first constitution.[1] Its drafting by the Continental Congress began in mid 1776, and an approved version was sent to the states for ratification in late 1777. The formal ratification by all 13 states was completed in early 1781. Even if not yet ratified, the Articles provided domestic and international legitimacy for the Continental Congress to direct the American Revolutionary War, conduct diplomacy with Europe and deal with territorial issues and Indian relations. Nevertheless, the weak government created by the Articles became a matter of concern for key nationalists. On March 4, 1789, the Articles were replaced with the U.S. Constitution.[2][3] The new Constitution provided for a much stronger national government with a chief executive (the president), courts, and taxing powers.
Avalon Project - Articles of Confederation : March 1, 1781
XIII.
Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.
And Whereas it hath pleased the Great Governor of the World to incline the hearts of the legislatures we respectively represent in Congress, to approve of, and to authorize us to ratify the said Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union. Know Ye that we the undersigned delegates, by virtue of the power and authority to us given for that purpose, do by these presents, in the name and in behalf of our respective constituents, fully and entirely ratify and confirm each and every of the said Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union, and all and singular the matters and things therein contained: And we do further solemnly plight and engage the faith of our respective constituents, that they shall abide by the determinations of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions, which by the said Confederation are submitted to them. And that the Articles thereof shall be inviolably observed by the States we respectively represent, and that the Union shall be perpetual.
In Witness whereof we have hereunto set our hands in Congress. Done at Philadelphia in the State of Pennsylvania the ninth day of July in the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy-Eight, and in the Third Year of the independence of America.
Agreed to by Congress 15 November 1777 In force after ratification by Maryland, 1 March 1781
that's nice.
where does it say the great governor of the world is christ?
oops
try again
I'll do you one better. From Wiki:
The Articles of Confederation, formally the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, was an agreement among the 13 founding states that established the United States of America as a confederation of sovereign states and served as its first constitution.[1] Its drafting by the Continental Congress began in mid 1776, and an approved version was sent to the states for ratification in late 1777. The formal ratification by all 13 states was completed in early 1781. Even if not yet ratified, the Articles provided domestic and international legitimacy for the Continental Congress to direct the American Revolutionary War, conduct diplomacy with Europe and deal with territorial issues and Indian relations. Nevertheless, the weak government created by the Articles became a matter of concern for key nationalists. On March 4, 1789, the Articles were replaced with the U.S. Constitution.[2][3] The new Constitution provided for a much stronger national government with a chief executive (the president), courts, and taxing powers.
Avalon Project - Articles of Confederation : March 1, 1781
XIII.
Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.
And Whereas it hath pleased the Great Governor of the World to incline the hearts of the legislatures we respectively represent in Congress, to approve of, and to authorize us to ratify the said Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union. Know Ye that we the undersigned delegates, by virtue of the power and authority to us given for that purpose, do by these presents, in the name and in behalf of our respective constituents, fully and entirely ratify and confirm each and every of the said Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union, and all and singular the matters and things therein contained: And we do further solemnly plight and engage the faith of our respective constituents, that they shall abide by the determinations of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions, which by the said Confederation are submitted to them. And that the Articles thereof shall be inviolably observed by the States we respectively represent, and that the Union shall be perpetual.
In Witness whereof we have hereunto set our hands in Congress. Done at Philadelphia in the State of Pennsylvania the ninth day of July in the Year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy-Eight, and in the Third Year of the independence of America.
Agreed to by Congress 15 November 1777 In force after ratification by Maryland, 1 March 1781
that's nice.
where does it say the great governor of the world is christ?
oops
try again
That is ridiculous.
You are asserting that you are too fucking stupid to know what the phrase 'Great Govenor of the World' meant when written by Christians of the 18th century?
Sheesh!
What are the christian principles in our Constitution...in our form of government? Should be easy to provide, since we are allegedly based on them.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Amendment III
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
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Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
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Amendment VII
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
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Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
There shall be no gods (gov't) before the Lord. 1rst Ammendment
Thou shall not murder (you can defend yourself) 2nd Amendment
Thou shall not covet 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th & 8th Amendments
Thou shall not bear false witness 7th & 9th Amendments
and in case you missed it the first time
There shall be no gods (gov't) before the Lord. 10th Ammendment
Questions?
One question: are you re-writing the constitution?
There are days that I am partial to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, myself.
So you really think that Madison or Jefferson might have been thinking of Zeus or the FSM when they mentioned God?
Lol, maybe I was wrong; maybe you are indeed a moron.
Where is GOD mentioned....we are back to that. And if you can find the word GOD in the Constitution, then maybe you can question my intelligence. Other than that, you are just blowing smoke.
Sure there are pictures. The constitution provides for what we call "free expression". The first amendment... well read the first amendment. You posted it.#1...In God We Trust was added at the time of the Civil War...the original motto was E Pluribus Unum (oops....there's that ROMAN influence again)....and if we were to take "In God We Trust" off our money, do you think it would be worth less?
#2...What 10 Commandments on the Supreme Court wall? I've visited that building, and have seen no such thing. Do you perhaps have a photo to share? And which version of the 10 commandments is it? There are 3, you know.
Do a search on religious symbols in Washington DC, there are a lot of pictures online.
I just can't get you to point out where the constitution references christinity (or the U.S. being a "christian nation") anywhere in the constitution.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Amendment III
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
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Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
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Amendment VII
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
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Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
There shall be no gods (gov't) before the Lord. 1rst Ammendment
Thou shall not murder (you can defend yourself) 2nd Amendment
Thou shall not covet 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th & 8th Amendments
Thou shall not bear false witness 7th & 9th Amendments
and in case you missed it the first time
There shall be no gods (gov't) before the Lord. 10th Ammendment
Questions?
One question: are you re-writing the constitution?
I guess that was too complicated for you. Maybe if you sleep on it, you will get it.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Amendment III
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
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Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
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Amendment VII
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
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Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
There shall be no gods (gov't) before the Lord. 1rst Ammendment
Thou shall not murder (you can defend yourself) 2nd Amendment
Thou shall not covet 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th & 8th Amendments
Thou shall not bear false witness 7th & 9th Amendments
and in case you missed it the first time
There shall be no gods (gov't) before the Lord. 10th Ammendment
Questions?
One question: are you re-writing the constitution?
I guess that was too complicated for you. Maybe if you sleep on it, you will get it.
The phrase "Christian nation" goes against much of what the USA is all about.
I agree with you in context, meaning the founders were inclusive, not exclusive. There was room from the get go for atheists, agnostics, jews, and muslims. Yep.
However, that from the get go there was and is a preponderance of Christians? Yep, true that tool.
What are the christian principles in our Constitution...in our form of government? Should be easy to provide, since we are allegedly based on them.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Amendment III
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
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Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
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Amendment VII
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
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Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
There shall be no gods (gov't) before the Lord. 1rst Ammendment
Thou shall not murder (you can defend yourself) 2nd Amendment
Thou shall not covet 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th & 8th Amendments
Thou shall not bear false witness 7th & 9th Amendments
and in case you missed it the first time
There shall be no gods (gov't) before the Lord. 10th Ammendment
Questions?
Wait a minute...the First Amendment says no state religion, but your "there shall be no gods before the lord" is a direct contradiction....
You've just proved our point for us.....thank you.
Murder? Are you saying murder being illegal is ONLY a christian tenet?
Covet? That's not illegal, you know.
Bear false witness? Only if you are sworn in a court of law....and you don't (GASP!) even have to swear on a bible.
Where in the 10th amendment is there anything about gods at all?
I'm sorry, but you must be looking at some other country's Bill of Rights.
So you really think that Madison or Jefferson might have been thinking of Zeus or the FSM when they mentioned God?
Lol, maybe I was wrong; maybe you are indeed a moron.
Where is GOD mentioned....we are back to that. And if you can find the word GOD in the Constitution, then maybe you can question my intelligence. Other than that, you are just blowing smoke.
God is referenced with the AD date reference, not to meantion EVERY SINGLE STATE explixitly references God in their constitutions, and the current Constitution did not because it was a constitution replacing an earlier one which did and is currently part of the US legal code as a founding document along with the DoI and NW Ordinances.
Cant wrap your brain around that simple little fact or what?
that's nice.
where does it say the great governor of the world is christ?
oops
try again
That is ridiculous.
You are asserting that you are too fucking stupid to know what the phrase 'Great Govenor of the World' meant when written by Christians of the 18th century?
Sheesh!
You are making some big assumptions....now prove them.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Amendment III
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
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Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
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Amendment VII
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
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Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
There shall be no gods (gov't) before the Lord. 1rst Ammendment
Thou shall not murder (you can defend yourself) 2nd Amendment
Thou shall not covet 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th & 8th Amendments
Thou shall not bear false witness 7th & 9th Amendments
and in case you missed it the first time
There shall be no gods (gov't) before the Lord. 10th Ammendment
Questions?
Wait a minute...the First Amendment says no state religion, but your "there shall be no gods before the lord" is a direct contradiction....
You've just proved our point for us.....thank you.
Murder? Are you saying murder being illegal is ONLY a christian tenet?
Covet? That's not illegal, you know.
Bear false witness? Only if you are sworn in a court of law....and you don't (GASP!) even have to swear on a bible.
Where in the 10th amendment is there anything about gods at all?
I'm sorry, but you must be looking at some other country's Bill of Rights.
You can lead a jackass to water.....
