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Leave it to liberals to resort to vulgarity when they've had their asses handed to them with facts. You humiliated Siete and now she is lashing out like a small child.This is just another MSU Benghazi thread (Make Shit Up).
What was posted that was made up? C'mon Sloping Brow the heat is on now. Put up or shut up
post some more pics of F22's refueling @ Mach2 and stfu.
I never said they did Mr Strawman. You're the one that demanded proof F-22s have made trans Atlantic flights and when provided stuck your head up your ass and hummed Hail To Hillary ya fucking dope
pssssst ...
Childish and you know you've been shellacked. Better luck next time, liar....oh and you'd be wise to refrain from threads you are so obviously clueless about
What an intelligent response to the realization that the gun systems on the F-22 fighters could have easily saved the lives of the American's in Benghazi.This is just another MSU Benghazi thread (Make Shit Up).
And lets not forget - it should have never come to that in the first place. Not only did they request additional security over and over and over - but they also had credible intel of a pending attack. The additional security should have been provided or everyone should have been pulled out.
But hey - you keep attacking the people who are telling the truth. That is so much wiser.
Wow, you should have testified at the Benghazi Kangaroo Court hearings.
Wow...you should have learned the facts before commenting.What an intelligent response to the realization that the gun systems on the F-22 fighters could have easily saved the lives of the American's in Benghazi.This is just another MSU Benghazi thread (Make Shit Up).
And lets not forget - it should have never come to that in the first place. Not only did they request additional security over and over and over - but they also had credible intel of a pending attack. The additional security should have been provided or everyone should have been pulled out.
But hey - you keep attacking the people who are telling the truth. That is so much wiser.
Wow, you should have testified at the Benghazi Kangaroo Court hearings.
Dufus is sticking to the riot with mortars and RPGs lie.Other than kill everyone that posed a threat to Americans?So what? How many troops can an F-22 carry and what was it supposed to do in Benghazi?
Laky....sweetie....for your own good - please stop talking. You continue to take stupid to unprecedented levels.
Please explain how an F-22 could have killed everyone that posed a threat to Americans - in a CROWDED RIOT. Just kill everyone?
Shitforbrains doesn't know each of those bombs will land within 3 feet of their individually specified target.Well, if the F-22 thingy didn't work - they could have carpet bombed the area.
Then why are you denying it? Do you always lie or do you make a special exception to cover the ass of failed Dumbocrats?The problem is - you don't have any facts. You're literally just making shit up. It is a fact (and the men who were there and lived through it have done numerous interviews about it) that Navy Seals and other security forces with special forces background in the region were told to stand down (and by in the region - we're talking with in a few miles of the site). Multiple times they were refused requests to go and assist. Finally they said "fuck it" and defied orders. So your bullshit about there being no "ground support available" is a blatant lie. Stop making shit up you nitwit.So the best defense you can come up with is the Magic and his bitch were unprepared...we all know that.This question was asked and answered in hearings. Refueling tankers were not guaranteed, ground support was not available for support, bombing a foreign country that was not at war is not a good option and last, time was the most important factor. This event was over before even the fastest plane could be on line, making everything else irrelevant.
Those are the facts about our military capability. You certainly don't have to like it, but you do have to eat the facts.
Dum Dum, ALL of this was covered in the hearings which YOU said you watched. I think you must have fallen asleep or passed out instead.
all you really need to know is Licky Retardo is a dumbass.
an F-22 has a 1600 NM range ... 1600 miles in 8 hours or 1600 miles before it runs out of fuel
Specifications · Lockheed Martin
oh yeah, it doesn't hurt to know there are other dumbasses who believe his bullshit.
have a nice evening, DUMBASSES.
Dumbass...
Libya turned over all their WMDs and stopped supporting terrorism while Bush was in office.And yet ISIS didn't even exist until Obama mucked up the entire middle east with his pro-muslim extremist nonsense. Further still, ISIS wasn't an issue in Libya until Obama illegally helped to over throw one of America's biggest allies in Muammar Gaddafi. Anybody who knows what they are talking about (and of course - that immediately eliminates liberals) knows that after 9/11 - Gaddafi surrendered his entire nuclear arsenal to the U.S. and cooperated with us on everything.Obama: 'It's in America's National Security Interests' to Help Libya Defeat ISIL
August 2, 2016 | President Obama said on Tuesday the United States military is helping Libya's fledgling government get rid of Islamic State terrorists who have established a stronghold in the city of Sirte because it's in U.S. national security interests.
Libya was stable and an ally of the U.S. until liberals elected a community organizer to the White House (mostly through voter fraud of course). Now we have an organization so ruthless (ISIS) that even Al Qaeda wants nothing to do with them. And - as always - a Republican is going to have to come up and clean up the complete mess left in the wake of an immature Dumbocrat idealist.
It was George W. Bush who started this by going to Iraq to get al Qaeda. There wasn't al Qaeda in Iraq, they were in Afghanistan. If anyone fucked up the Middle East it was the Bush administration and Democrats have been cleaning up his mess for 8 years.View attachment 84374And yet ISIS didn't even exist until Obama mucked up the entire middle east with his pro-muslim extremist nonsense. Further still, ISIS wasn't an issue in Libya until Obama illegally helped to over throw one of America's biggest allies in Muammar Gaddafi. Anybody who knows what they are talking about (and of course - that immediately eliminates liberals) knows that after 9/11 - Gaddafi surrendered his entire nuclear arsenal to the U.S. and cooperated with us on everything.Obama: 'It's in America's National Security Interests' to Help Libya Defeat ISIL
August 2, 2016 | President Obama said on Tuesday the United States military is helping Libya's fledgling government get rid of Islamic State terrorists who have established a stronghold in the city of Sirte because it's in U.S. national security interests.
Libya was stable and an ally of the U.S. until liberals elected a community organizer to the White House (mostly through voter fraud of course). Now we have an organization so ruthless (ISIS) that even Al Qaeda wants nothing to do with them. And - as always - a Republican is going to have to come up and clean up the complete mess left in the wake of an immature Dumbocrat idealist.
It was George W. Bush who started this by going to Iraq to get al Qaeda. There wasn't al Qaeda in Iraq, they were in Afghanistan. If anyone fucked up the Middle East it was the Bush administration and Democrats have been cleaning up his mess for 8 years.
It WAS Bush's fault and that's the way history will record it no matter how many times you cry and throw your spoon on the floor.
Suddenly Libya military was going to attack America while our people were under fire.So in hindsight, the Dems concoct a story line that they couldn't have gotten there in time so they hop in their time machine, zap themselves back to the night of the attack and decide not to do anything because help wouldn't get there in time.
It's nice having a time machine to manufacture Libspeak.
There were F-16's in Italy, 1100 miles away....the dems BS doesn't fly
That was debunked in the Benghazi hearings. The F-16 would have exhausted its fuel before it got to Benghazi and scheduling a tanker is not as easy as it sounds since we were at war in Afghanistan and had operations elsewhere that were dependent on tanker support.
The other element that caused concern was their was no ground support in the event of a crash or a shoot down. Having a military pilot paraded by terrorists is not something taken lightly.
if a bird got shot down by a SAM doing fly overs to SCARE those raghead thugs, RWs would be climbing the WH fence demanding Obama be brought to justice ... the war room made a critical decision and decided not to take immediate action without knowing exactly what they were up against .... GOD couldn't have got there in time to save Stevens, and RW's are still crawilin' the WH fence demanding justice.
F em all and feed em fish heads.
Suddenly Libya military was going to attack America while our people were under fire.So in hindsight, the Dems concoct a story line that they couldn't have gotten there in time so they hop in their time machine, zap themselves back to the night of the attack and decide not to do anything because help wouldn't get there in time.
It's nice having a time machine to manufacture Libspeak.
There were F-16's in Italy, 1100 miles away....the dems BS doesn't fly
That was debunked in the Benghazi hearings. The F-16 would have exhausted its fuel before it got to Benghazi and scheduling a tanker is not as easy as it sounds since we were at war in Afghanistan and had operations elsewhere that were dependent on tanker support.
The other element that caused concern was their was no ground support in the event of a crash or a shoot down. Having a military pilot paraded by terrorists is not something taken lightly.
if a bird got shot down by a SAM doing fly overs to SCARE those raghead thugs, RWs would be climbing the WH fence demanding Obama be brought to justice ... the war room made a critical decision and decided not to take immediate action without knowing exactly what they were up against .... GOD couldn't have got there in time to save Stevens, and RW's are still crawilin' the WH fence demanding justice.
F em all and feed em fish heads.
Again, why did Hillary have our ambassador in such a dangerous situation then?
You lefties are swimming in hypocrisy and lies.Suddenly Libya military was going to attack America while our people were under fire.So in hindsight, the Dems concoct a story line that they couldn't have gotten there in time so they hop in their time machine, zap themselves back to the night of the attack and decide not to do anything because help wouldn't get there in time.
It's nice having a time machine to manufacture Libspeak.
There were F-16's in Italy, 1100 miles away....the dems BS doesn't fly
That was debunked in the Benghazi hearings. The F-16 would have exhausted its fuel before it got to Benghazi and scheduling a tanker is not as easy as it sounds since we were at war in Afghanistan and had operations elsewhere that were dependent on tanker support.
The other element that caused concern was their was no ground support in the event of a crash or a shoot down. Having a military pilot paraded by terrorists is not something taken lightly.
if a bird got shot down by a SAM doing fly overs to SCARE those raghead thugs, RWs would be climbing the WH fence demanding Obama be brought to justice ... the war room made a critical decision and decided not to take immediate action without knowing exactly what they were up against .... GOD couldn't have got there in time to save Stevens, and RW's are still crawilin' the WH fence demanding justice.
F em all and feed em fish heads.
Again, why did Hillary have our ambassador in such a dangerous situation then?
Benghazi was a temporary mission operation.
You lefties are swimming in hypocrisy and lies.Suddenly Libya military was going to attack America while our people were under fire.There were F-16's in Italy, 1100 miles away....the dems BS doesn't fly
That was debunked in the Benghazi hearings. The F-16 would have exhausted its fuel before it got to Benghazi and scheduling a tanker is not as easy as it sounds since we were at war in Afghanistan and had operations elsewhere that were dependent on tanker support.
The other element that caused concern was their was no ground support in the event of a crash or a shoot down. Having a military pilot paraded by terrorists is not something taken lightly.
if a bird got shot down by a SAM doing fly overs to SCARE those raghead thugs, RWs would be climbing the WH fence demanding Obama be brought to justice ... the war room made a critical decision and decided not to take immediate action without knowing exactly what they were up against .... GOD couldn't have got there in time to save Stevens, and RW's are still crawilin' the WH fence demanding justice.
F em all and feed em fish heads.
Again, why did Hillary have our ambassador in such a dangerous situation then?
Benghazi was a temporary mission operation.
Temporary mission to get our people murdered.
Never got a phone call and it was a week before Americans had boots on the ground.A report adopted by the eight Republican Members of the House Armed Services Committee in February 2014, concluded that “given their location and readiness status it was not possible to dispatch armed aircraft before survivors left Benghazi,” although it questioned why DOD did not prepare fighters for a prolonged or different attack.
The report also dismissed the deployment of an unarmed fighter aircraft from Aviano as a show of force, explaining that: “n light of all these factors, majority members believe the use of unarmed aircraft, with no countermeasure capability, refueling arrangements, or targeting assistance, amidst a dangerous antiaircraft environment, would have offered only a small likelihood of benefitting those under attack. It makes sense that this remote option was apparently not more actively contemplated.”
Source: House Armed Services Committee, Feb. 10, 2014
"There were no U.S. military resources in position to intervene in short order in Benghazi to help defend the Temporary Mission Facility and its Annex on September 11 and 12, 2012."
Source: Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Jan. 15, 2014
Admiral Michael Mullen, Vice Chair of the independent Accountability Review Board and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testified repeatedly about how he personally examined this issue and determined that there was no ability to get an F-16 or another strike aircraft to Benghazi on the night of the attack. He explained that while “[t]here were plenty of assets moving” that night, there were “no planes sitting at the ready,” which meant that it would take “hours and hours” to get them combat-ready, including planning the mission, obtaining tanker support to fuel the planes, getting bomb racks, stetting the munitions, and getting permission from the host nation. He also added that NATO would not have been able to assist with the response, explaining: “I actually commanded NATO forces, and the likelihood that NATO could respond in a situation like that was absolutely zero.”
Source: Hearing of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Sept. 19, 2013
Brigadier General Scott Zobrist, who at the time was the Wing Commander of the 31st Fighter Wing at Aviano Air Base in northern Italy, and an experienced F-16 fighter pilot, told congressional staff that dispatching an unarmed fighter jet that night would have entailed an “incredible” risk and had the potential to “make the situation worse” because of the risk of a downed aircraft. He further explained: “I’m not sure that I would even, in my good military judgment, if I could let them do that. Nor do I think my commanders would ask me to do that because of the limitations, the probability of success would be so low and the risk would be so high.” He also explained his concerns about the effectiveness of using a strike aircraft in an urban environment at night to disperse a crowd, stating “from an F-16 pilot’s perspective, based on my experience, in F-16; or F-15E or any of our other fighter aircraft, would have limited effectiveness in dispersing a crowd or in an urban environment, especially with very little awareness.”
Source: Transcribed Interview with Congressional Staff, March 12, 2014
General Carter Ham, who at the time of the attacks was the Commander of U.S. Africa Command, briefed the House Armed Services Committee Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations on June 26, 2013 that in his military judgment close air support would not have made a difference that night:
“It was a very uncertain situation in an environment which we know we had an unknown surface-to-air threat with the proliferation particularly of shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles, many of which remain unaccounted for. But mostly it was a lack of understanding of the environment, and hence the need for the Predator to try to gain an understanding of what was going on. So again, I understand that others may disagree with this, but it was my judgment that close air support was not the right tool for that environment.”
Source: Briefing before the House Armed Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, June 26, 2013
General Ham again confirmed his previous statements in a transcribed interview with congressional staff almost a year later, where he explained that “given the uncertainty of the situation, given the complexity of a large urban environment, and the fact that the first attack subsided pretty significantly about an hour or so after it began, that it was my military judgment that strike aircraft, close air support were not the appropriate tool.”
Source: Transcribed Interview, April 9, 2014
Vice Admiral Charles J. Leidig explained in his transcribed interview with congressional staff that “it was completely infeasible to have fighters available that night. There were no crews. There was no weapons. There was no pre-brief. … They don’t have enough gas to get there, so then you have to have tankers. The tankers are all in Europe or in northern - or in England or Northern Europe. Same thing, you have to call crews in, get them briefed, get them up, flight time, get them down there.” He further explained that because it would have taken at least 24 hours to get a fighter to Benghazi, he concluded that “there was no way we were going to get any aircraft there that night.”
Source: Transcribed Interview with Congressional Staff, March 20, 2014
You sound like an idiot when you attempt to sound like you know what you're talking about. The state department doesn't go on "missions" moron. The military does. And that didn't answer his question. No matter what reason the ambassador was there - why wasn't the proper security provided?Benghazi was a temporary mission operation.
Now Benghazi is the fault of Republicans.You lefties are swimming in hypocrisy and lies.Suddenly Libya military was going to attack America while our people were under fire.That was debunked in the Benghazi hearings. The F-16 would have exhausted its fuel before it got to Benghazi and scheduling a tanker is not as easy as it sounds since we were at war in Afghanistan and had operations elsewhere that were dependent on tanker support.
The other element that caused concern was their was no ground support in the event of a crash or a shoot down. Having a military pilot paraded by terrorists is not something taken lightly.
if a bird got shot down by a SAM doing fly overs to SCARE those raghead thugs, RWs would be climbing the WH fence demanding Obama be brought to justice ... the war room made a critical decision and decided not to take immediate action without knowing exactly what they were up against .... GOD couldn't have got there in time to save Stevens, and RW's are still crawilin' the WH fence demanding justice.
F em all and feed em fish heads.
Again, why did Hillary have our ambassador in such a dangerous situation then?
Benghazi was a temporary mission operation.
Temporary mission to get our people murdered.
You are nothing more than politics and false outrage. I get it. You need to demonize to advance your agenda, but the problem is your party fucked up so much on its own that any false piety is overlooked because its beaming through all the flying diarrhea.
I'm not sure you're the best person to be discussing military capabilities considering you had no idea that fighter jets are equipped with fully automatic guns.Well, if the F-22 thingy didn't work - they could have carpet bombed the area.
Never got a phone call and it was a week before Americans had boots on the ground.A report adopted by the eight Republican Members of the House Armed Services Committee in February 2014, concluded that “given their location and readiness status it was not possible to dispatch armed aircraft before survivors left Benghazi,” although it questioned why DOD did not prepare fighters for a prolonged or different attack.
The report also dismissed the deployment of an unarmed fighter aircraft from Aviano as a show of force, explaining that: “n light of all these factors, majority members believe the use of unarmed aircraft, with no countermeasure capability, refueling arrangements, or targeting assistance, amidst a dangerous antiaircraft environment, would have offered only a small likelihood of benefitting those under attack. It makes sense that this remote option was apparently not more actively contemplated.”
Source: House Armed Services Committee, Feb. 10, 2014
"There were no U.S. military resources in position to intervene in short order in Benghazi to help defend the Temporary Mission Facility and its Annex on September 11 and 12, 2012."
Source: Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Jan. 15, 2014
Admiral Michael Mullen, Vice Chair of the independent Accountability Review Board and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testified repeatedly about how he personally examined this issue and determined that there was no ability to get an F-16 or another strike aircraft to Benghazi on the night of the attack. He explained that while “[t]here were plenty of assets moving” that night, there were “no planes sitting at the ready,” which meant that it would take “hours and hours” to get them combat-ready, including planning the mission, obtaining tanker support to fuel the planes, getting bomb racks, stetting the munitions, and getting permission from the host nation. He also added that NATO would not have been able to assist with the response, explaining: “I actually commanded NATO forces, and the likelihood that NATO could respond in a situation like that was absolutely zero.”
Source: Hearing of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Sept. 19, 2013
Brigadier General Scott Zobrist, who at the time was the Wing Commander of the 31st Fighter Wing at Aviano Air Base in northern Italy, and an experienced F-16 fighter pilot, told congressional staff that dispatching an unarmed fighter jet that night would have entailed an “incredible” risk and had the potential to “make the situation worse” because of the risk of a downed aircraft. He further explained: “I’m not sure that I would even, in my good military judgment, if I could let them do that. Nor do I think my commanders would ask me to do that because of the limitations, the probability of success would be so low and the risk would be so high.” He also explained his concerns about the effectiveness of using a strike aircraft in an urban environment at night to disperse a crowd, stating “from an F-16 pilot’s perspective, based on my experience, in F-16; or F-15E or any of our other fighter aircraft, would have limited effectiveness in dispersing a crowd or in an urban environment, especially with very little awareness.”
Source: Transcribed Interview with Congressional Staff, March 12, 2014
General Carter Ham, who at the time of the attacks was the Commander of U.S. Africa Command, briefed the House Armed Services Committee Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations on June 26, 2013 that in his military judgment close air support would not have made a difference that night:
“It was a very uncertain situation in an environment which we know we had an unknown surface-to-air threat with the proliferation particularly of shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles, many of which remain unaccounted for. But mostly it was a lack of understanding of the environment, and hence the need for the Predator to try to gain an understanding of what was going on. So again, I understand that others may disagree with this, but it was my judgment that close air support was not the right tool for that environment.”
Source: Briefing before the House Armed Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, June 26, 2013
General Ham again confirmed his previous statements in a transcribed interview with congressional staff almost a year later, where he explained that “given the uncertainty of the situation, given the complexity of a large urban environment, and the fact that the first attack subsided pretty significantly about an hour or so after it began, that it was my military judgment that strike aircraft, close air support were not the appropriate tool.”
Source: Transcribed Interview, April 9, 2014
Vice Admiral Charles J. Leidig explained in his transcribed interview with congressional staff that “it was completely infeasible to have fighters available that night. There were no crews. There was no weapons. There was no pre-brief. … They don’t have enough gas to get there, so then you have to have tankers. The tankers are all in Europe or in northern - or in England or Northern Europe. Same thing, you have to call crews in, get them briefed, get them up, flight time, get them down there.” He further explained that because it would have taken at least 24 hours to get a fighter to Benghazi, he concluded that “there was no way we were going to get any aircraft there that night.”
Source: Transcribed Interview with Congressional Staff, March 20, 2014
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Now Benghazi is the fault of Republicans.You lefties are swimming in hypocrisy and lies.Suddenly Libya military was going to attack America while our people were under fire.if a bird got shot down by a SAM doing fly overs to SCARE those raghead thugs, RWs would be climbing the WH fence demanding Obama be brought to justice ... the war room made a critical decision and decided not to take immediate action without knowing exactly what they were up against .... GOD couldn't have got there in time to save Stevens, and RW's are still crawilin' the WH fence demanding justice.
F em all and feed em fish heads.
Again, why did Hillary have our ambassador in such a dangerous situation then?
Benghazi was a temporary mission operation.
Temporary mission to get our people murdered.
You are nothing more than politics and false outrage. I get it. You need to demonize to advance your agenda, but the problem is your party fucked up so much on its own that any false piety is overlooked because its beaming through all the flying diarrhea.
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