You heard me talk about Maine wanting to take your guns away, right? Joe Biden is going all in on gun confiscation. I told ya so.

[westwall]

No, they don't. Despite what many of you are claiming, it's not as simple as claiming someone is a threat and the cops show up and take your guns after having a big shoot out with you. The threat has to be credible and a judge has to approve the warrant. That's Due Process.

No, due process is an actual Court hearing, before a judge, with witnesses for, and against.

Not just some dude having a judge sign a warrant.

We have seen how that goes with the lies told to the FISA judges.

Now haven't we.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

No, due process is an actual Court hearing, before a judge, with witnesses for, and against.

Not just some dude having a judge sign a warrant.

We have seen how that goes with the lies told to the FISA judges.

Now haven't we.

22 states have these laws currently in place. Where are these gross abuses occurring?

 

[westwall]

22 states have these laws currently in place. Where are these gross abuses occurring?

Where are they accomplishing their stated goals?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Where are they accomplishing their stated goals?

So you can't point to any.

Thanks,

 

[westwall]

So you can't point to any.

Thanks,

Nor can you. Thanks

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Nor can you. Thanks

Yeah, exactly. So, what's the problem? Do you even know?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Common sense if someone is a threat to themselves or others

They talk out of both sides of their mouths. They don't want any preemptive action taken to prevent the tragedy and then when the tragedy happens they blame the local government for not taking preemptive action to prevent it.

 

[rightwinger]

They talk out of both sides of their mouths. They don't want any preemptive action taken to prevent the tragedy and then when the tragedy happens they blame the local government for not taking preemptive action to prevent it.

In almost every one of these cases it is not…..I never suspected he would do such a thing

 

[westwall]

Yeah, exactly. So, what's the problem? Do you even know?

Yeah, I do. Laws, that are poorly written, invite corruption.

Pretty much the last few mass shooters were all known to law enforcement, a couple lived in States with Red Flag laws, and nothing was done.

A thinking person would ask why?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Who gets to decide on who is dangerous or not? On who is unsuitable or not?

No, we don't want that. Sensible gun owners understand that those powers will always be abused, misapplied - intentionally and/or by accident, disarming those who were not a threat and leaving them and their families defenseless.

Sensible gun owners understand that dangerous people are going to get guns or other weapons anyway and that the solution to dangerous people whose dangerousness comes from mental illness need to be locked up and that when they're not, the best response to the danger they represent is for those who are in danger to have arms with which to defend themselves.

There are literally hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, of dangerous people who are prohibited from owning guns in America and, yet, probably almost all of them do.

In the United States - at least as it should be - we punish people for the crimes they commit and not for what government thinks they might commit.

Make a criteria.

So for example, someone who has done a prison sentence for 3 years or more is banned. Certain neurological conditions on your medical record can scupper your firearm application.

In America, you deem everyone's the good guy, then when someone shoots others to bits, you guys suddenly default to, "They were a bad guy".

So if you are sensible about guns, you would want to try and make sure suitable people enjoy guns.

If you have no concerning attributes on your police, medical, driving record and your referees vouch for you, you are a safe guy with guns. Now, if that's you, why would you be concerned about that check procedure?

Without that in America, an unsuitable person with guns causing problems is spoiling it for all.

So do you want a safe gun culture?

 

[AZrailwhale]

You beat your wife, you lose your guns
You make a threat at work, you lose your guns
Threaten a neighbor, you lose your guns
Threaten suicide, you lose your guns

Common sense

No, anyone claims that you beat your wife, you lose your guns.
Anyone claims you made a threat at work, you lose your guns.
Anyone claims you threatened your neighbor, you lose your guns.
Anyone claims you threatened to commit suicide you lose your guns.

All without a hearing or due process where anyone has had to PROVE that you did any of those things before you lose your guns. That's guilty until proven innocent, the very opposite of how our judicial system is supposed to work. If there is EVIDENCE of any of those things you need to be committed to a mental hospital for treatment.

 

[rightwinger]

No, anyone claims that you beat your wife, you lose your guns.
Anyone claims you made a threat at work, you lose your guns.
Anyone claims you threatened your neighbor, you lose your guns.
Anyone claims you threatened to commit suicide you lose your guns.

All without a hearing or due process where anyone has had to PROVE that you did any of those things before you lose your guns. That's guilty until proven innocent, the very opposite of how our judicial system is supposed to work. If there is EVIDENCE of any of those things you need to be committed to a mental hospital for treatment.

And that is why they only temporarily take your guns until the threat is investigated

Better safe than sorry

 

[AZrailwhale]

And that is why they only temporarily take your guns until the threat is investigated

Better safe than sorry

Riiiiight, until you have to go to court and have to spend thousands of dollars getting your property returned IF it hasn't mysteriously disappeared while secured by the police.

 

[AZrailwhale]

And that is why they only temporarily take your guns until the threat is investigated

Better safe than sorry

Better safe than sorry is committing the dangerous person for psychiatric evaluation. That prevents him from harming anyone or anything.

 

[rightwinger]

Better safe than sorry is committing the dangerous person for psychiatric evaluation. That prevents him from harming anyone or anything.

That can be part of him getting his guns returned to him

 

[eagle1462010]

Red Flags are a great deterrent from gun violence

Domestic violence, making threats at work, bizarre behavior, making suicidal threats

Take away their guns while you investigate
Common sense

BS. Its a back door attempt to piss on the 2nd Amendment.

You will make red flags be for anything at all soon because your agenda is to take all guns eventually.

 

[progressive hunter]

They talk out of both sides of their mouths. They don't want any preemptive action taken to prevent the tragedy and then when the tragedy happens they blame the local government for not taking preemptive action to prevent it.

what we want is the law/2nd amendment followed along with the rest of our rights red flag laws violate,,

 

[rightwinger]

Riiiiight, until you have to go to court and have to spend thousands of dollars getting your property returned IF it hasn't mysteriously disappeared while secured by the police.

That is the consequence of acting like such a threat that your guns need to be taken away.
Next time..

Don’t beat your wife
Don’t make threats of violence
Don’t say you want to kill yourself

 

[eagle1462010]

New York Judge Says 2nd Amendment 'Doesn't Exist in This Courtroom'

The judge disrupted Varghese’s opening statement multiple times as he tried to set the stage for Taylor’s defense. Even further, she admonished the defense to refrain from mentioning the Second Amendment during the trial. Varghese told RedState:

She told us, ‘Do not bring the Second Amendment into this courtroom. It doesn’t exist here. So you can’t argue Second Amendment. This is New York.'

 

[rightwinger]

BS. Its a back door attempt to piss on the 2nd Amendment.

You will make red flags be for anything at all soon because your agenda is to take all guns eventually.

No, it is a front door attempt to remove guns from the hands of those who are a threat to themselves or others

The agenda is to stop preventable murders