0th anniversary of VJ Day: Thank the atomic bomb for saving millions of lives

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Hiroshima and Nagasaki: The Long Term Health Effects | K=1 Project

k1project.columbia.edu

 

[M14 Shooter]

Q. How many people died because of the atomic bombing? - 広島市公å¼ãƒ›ãƒ¼ãƒ ページ｜国際平和文化都市

www.city.hiroshima.lg.jp

Less than the number of people who died in 6 months of incendiary raids.
Less destruction, too.

 

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https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule1?country=us

"In the 1930s, both the United States and Britain refrained from targeting civilians in wartime bombings regarding such actions as savage and ruthless. ....” President Franklin Roosevelt spoke to the issue as well calling civilian bombing “inhuman barbarism.”

 

[M14 Shooter]

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule1?country=us

"In the 1930s, both the United States and Britain refrained from targeting civilians in wartime bombings regarding such actions as savage and ruthless. ....” President Franklin Roosevelt spoke to the issue as well calling civilian bombing “inhuman barbarism.”

Good thing we didn't do that - right?

 

[Unkotare]

Targeting Civilians

cs.stanford.edu

"the vibrant city of over a quarter of a million men, women and children was hardly “a military base.” Indeed, less than 10 percent of the individuals killed on Aug. 6, 1945, were Japanese military personnel."

Hiroshima and the Myths of Military Targets and Unconditional Surrender

Every year, in early August, new articles appear that debate whether the dropping of the atomic bombs in 1945 was justified. Earlier this month, the 75th anniversary of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki attacks, was no exception.

www.lawfareblog.com

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[M14 Shooter]

10% of 140-180k is 14-18,000
That's as many as three Japanese army divisions.
Kinda defeated your own position there, bub.

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[RetiredGySgt]

Targeting Civilians

cs.stanford.edu

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LOL you are a loser unable to articulate a point you just keep reposting debunked or stupid quotes or links.

 

[M14 Shooter]

LOL you are a loser unable to articulate a point you just keep reposting debunked or stupid quotes or links.

That's what happens when you hate something, but the facts aren't on your side.

 

[AZrailwhale]

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule1?country=us

"In the 1930s, both the United States and Britain refrained from targeting civilians in wartime bombings regarding such actions as savage and ruthless. ....” President Franklin Roosevelt spoke to the issue as well calling civilian bombing “inhuman barbarism.”

And as soon as they went to war with the Axis who practiced terror bombing, they renounced that position. The RAF actually had a policy of "dehousing" German civilians to disrupt war production. At least the USAAF TRIED to hit the factories rather than civilian housing. With Japan's record of atrocities, no one really cared about the deaths of Japanese civilians since their military had been raping and murdering civilians since 1936 aa a policy.

 

[M14 Shooter]

And as soon as they went to war with the Axis who practiced terror bombing, they renounced that position.

The USAAF began plans for firebombing Japan in 1943 - they estimated it would kill >500k people and render >8 million people homeless. One raid on Tokyo alone killed around 100k.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were natural extensions of this campaign.

 

[Unkotare]

Targeting civilians and health care in war is unconscionable

The Russian attacks on Ukrainian civilians, hospitals and clinics are outrageous and must stop now. Learn how you can aid medical relief efforts.

www.ama-assn.org

 

[M14 Shooter]

The US was in the business of destroying Japanese cities at the wholesale level since the B29s moved to Tinian in December 1944
Did anyone consider the legality of that?
If not, then why would anyone consider the "legality" of leveling Hiroshima?
If so, why would they reach a different conclusion re: Hiroshima?

Your enemy's means of production is a legitimate strategic target.

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[Unkotare]

The Ethics of Bombing Civilians After World War II: The Persistence of Norms Against Targeting Civilians in the Korean War | Sciences Po Mass Violence and Resistance - Research Network

This article was adapted for The Asia-Pacific Journal (http://www.japanfocus.org) from a chapter in Matthew Evangelista and Henry Shue (eds.), The American Way of Bombing: How Ethical and Legal Norms Change, from Flying Fortresses to Drones (Cornell University Press, 2014) .

www.sciencespo.fr

"On the eve of World War II, American leaders strongly condemned the bombing of civilians. "

"...the U.S. Senate issued its own “unqualified condemnation of the inhuman bombing of civilian populations” in 1938."

 

[M14 Shooter]

The USAAF began plans for firebombing Japan in 1943 - they estimated it would kill >500k people and render >8 million people homeless. One raid on Tokyo alone killed around 100k.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were natural extensions of this campaign.

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"...in 1939, President Franklin D. Roosevelt urgently appealed to all sides in the hostilities to affirm publicly that their armed forces “shall in no event, and under no circumstances, undertake the bombardment from the air of civilian populations..."

 

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"...Roosevelt feared that hundreds of thousands of “innocent human beings” would be harmed if the belligerent nations sunk to “this form of inhuman barbarism ..."

 

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"... judged from the perspective of what American leaders said about the bombing of civilians, little changed during World War II, even at the height of the air campaigns against Germany and Japan. They continued to talk as if they were trying to uphold the prohibition against targeting civilians..."

 

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"...When American planes joined the British Royal Air Force in burning Dresden in February 1945, Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson assured the public: “We will continue to bomb military targets and . . . there has been no change in the policy against conducting ‘terror bombings’ against civilian populations.”

 

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"Although Americans were quiet about the harm to civilians resulting from U.S. bombing, they spoke out loudly against German and Japanese atrocities. Condemnation and prosecution of Axis atrocities after World War II provided the strongest reinforcement of the norm against attacking civilians."

 

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"in 1949 when U.S. Navy admirals attacked their Air Force colleagues in a dramatic set of Congressional hearings. During this “Revolt of the Admirals” as the media came to call it, a string of admirals deployed arguments that appealed to the norm against targeting civilians in raising their concerns over military policy and the defense budget. At the hearings, Rear Admiral Ralph A. Ofstie contended that "strategic air warfare, as practiced in the past and as proposed for the future, is militarily unsound and of limited effect, is morally wrong, and is decidedly harmful to the stability of a postwar world." These charges prompted the Air Force to clarify its stance on bombing civilians. The Secretary of the Air Force W. Stuart Symington said bluntly: "It has been stated that the Air Force favors mass bombing of civilians. That is not true. "