23%, 53% Want To Secede

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But we liberals will continue to win many elections, and build a better nation. And if you don't like that, feel free to emigrate.

America, love it or leave it.

Bull shit!

No state is perpetual and a state that is lead by criminals, liars, and thieves needs to be terminated.

What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”
― Thomas Jefferson, Letters of Thomas Jefferson

That's a great quote from Jefferson. It's one the "TP Patriots" like to quote a lot.

It was said by Jefferson when he was in Paris when a lil thing going on here (well, it was sort of a big thing) stirred up the countryside,

It was called Shay's Rebellion. You recall it from your history books?

It happened before the Constitution was written and it so stirred people as we were gathering strength to either dump the Articles of Confederation or revise it...quarreling between those wanting a stronger federal government or less...well, that rebellion Jefferson was so tickled with (he also called those rebels ignorant - you really should read the whole letter: The tree of liberty... Quotation - Thomas Jefferson Encyclopedia

brought Geo Washington out of retirement and to the Constitutional Convention to fight for a more powerful central government! And prevailed. Shays rebellion most certainly factored into this.

So -- that little blood of tyrants shedding -- gave you the opposite of what he wanted -- and what did another hot blooded Patriot of the era say - who was here - in America, about that same rebellion?


Here, I'lllay one on ya:

"In monarchies the crime of treason and rebellion may admit of being pardoned or lightly punished, but the man who dares rebel against the laws of a republic ought to suffer death." -Samuel Adams, 1787

 

[BluesLegend]

[QUOTE="BluesLegend, post: 9879997, member: 51009

Well, then. I assume that, as an honest man, you refuse to make such a pledge when others do, at civic events, ball games, etc.

I destroyed your stupid post with facts and knowledge, run away with your tail tucked between your legs.[/QUOTE]

Oh, absolutely, because you are a really scary guy, and your superior intellect is simply more than I am my simple liberal mind can handle! The fact that you probably voted for Palin and McCain, and are still free to walk around the streets, without observation, is enough to make me quake in my boots![/QUOTE]

Translation...you posted something dumb, got called on it, and you got nothing.

 

[BluesLegend]

There is totally blinded statement.

We don't want to live under liberal slavery to the state, shocker. Newflash we don't need libs they need us, and by that I mean our money and labor.

Say again? In English this time.

 

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Just heard this- that 23% of Americans and 53% if tee potties answered yes to the question of 'would they like to secede from the union?'

A poster here recently asked 'why, if Scotland can vote to secede, why can't Americans?'

People say they want to secede but don't even know what US laws concerning secession.

Comments?

Would you vote to secede?

Why or why not?


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There is no US law regarding secession. Lincoln was wrong. The Federal government operates from the consent of the governed. A people who don't consent cannot be governed by the Federal government.

Texas v. White


Also, too, See: Civil War, 1861-1865.

 

[boilermaker55]

If you do not understand the post. That's up to you.

There is totally blinded statement.

We don't want to live under liberal slavery to the state, shocker. Newflash we don't need libs they need us, and by that I mean our money and labor.

Say again? In English this time.

 

[BluesLegend]

If you do not understand the post. That's up to you.

There is totally blinded statement.

We don't want to live under liberal slavery to the state, shocker. Newflash we don't need libs they need us, and by that I mean our money and labor.

Say again? In English this time.

Ahahaha you have invented your own version of the English language apparently, congrats!

 

[Kondor3]

no need to secede.....if you dont like the way things are.....QUIT VOTING FOR THE SAME ASSHOLES....

That State is riddled with the cancer of liberalism. It's everywhere. It's in the mountains of legal precedents, it's embedded in our bureaucracy. It's embedded in our universities. Electing TEA Party politicians doesn't eradicate the cancer.

I agree, the moment you try to pass new measures (such as Arizona's immigration law) the piece of shit liberals immediately run to the courts to try and get laws overturned. It's a cancer that is so entwined throughout our country and government, it's beyond electing new politicians to change things. A new country with a new constitution would be the only real way of ending this bureaucratic mess.

Would a new Constitutional Convention be of some use?

 

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no need to secede.....if you dont like the way things are.....QUIT VOTING FOR THE SAME ASSHOLES....

That State is riddled with the cancer of liberalism. It's everywhere. It's in the mountains of legal precedents, it's embedded in our bureaucracy. It's embedded in our universities. Electing TEA Party politicians doesn't eradicate the cancer.

I agree, the moment you try to pass new measures (such as Arizona's immigration law) the piece of shit liberals immediately run to the courts to try and get laws overturned. It's a cancer that is so entwined throughout our country and government, it's beyond electing new politicians to change things. A new country with a new constitution would be the only real way of ending this bureaucratic mess.

Would a new Constitutional Convention be of some use?

The one we have is just fine, the only flaw these people see are the parts that protect their designated scapegoats and afford them equal protection and the due process afforded to people they just know are guilty of something.

 

[kaz]

Just heard this- that 23% of Americans and 53% if tee potties answered yes to the question of 'would they like to secede from the union?'

A poster here recently asked 'why, if Scotland can vote to secede, why can't Americans?'

People say they want to secede but don't even know what US laws concerning secession.

Comments?

Would you vote to secede?

Why or why not?


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There is no US law regarding secession. Lincoln was wrong. The Federal government operates from the consent of the governed. A people who don't consent cannot be governed by the Federal government.

The federal government differs with you on that and would see a secession attempt as insurrection and take whatever steps necessary to put it down. This fantasy that there is a legal and peaceful path to secession is a pipe dream.

So why don't you clarify what those laws are exactly? Nixon said he had a plan to get us out of Vietnam, did that mean he had one? Where are these laws? What are they?

 

[kaz]

Just heard this- that 23% of Americans and 53% if tee potties answered yes to the question of 'would they like to secede from the union?'

A poster here recently asked 'why, if Scotland can vote to secede, why can't Americans?'

People say they want to secede but don't even know what US laws concerning secession.

Comments?

Would you vote to secede?

Why or why not?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatal

There is no US law regarding secession. Lincoln was wrong. The Federal government operates from the consent of the governed. A people who don't consent cannot be governed by the Federal government.

Texas v. White


Also, too, See: Civil War, 1861-1865.

A court ruling and a war are "laws?" What does that mean?

What laws prevent States from seceding?

 

[paperview]

Just heard this- that 23% of Americans and 53% if tee potties answered yes to the question of 'would they like to secede from the union?'

A poster here recently asked 'why, if Scotland can vote to secede, why can't Americans?'

People say they want to secede but don't even know what US laws concerning secession.

Comments?

Would you vote to secede?

Why or why not?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatal

There is no US law regarding secession. Lincoln was wrong. The Federal government operates from the consent of the governed. A people who don't consent cannot be governed by the Federal government.

Texas v. White


Also, too, See: Civil War, 1861-1865.

A court ruling and a war are "laws?" What does that mean?

What laws prevent States from seceding?

Is Roe v Wade a law?

Did the Civil War effectively settle the case as to whether states could unilaterally secede?

 

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Just heard this- that 23% of Americans and 53% if tee potties answered yes to the question of 'would they like to secede from the union?'

A poster here recently asked 'why, if Scotland can vote to secede, why can't Americans?'

People say they want to secede but don't even know what US laws concerning secession.

Comments?

Would you vote to secede?

Why or why not?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatal

There is no US law regarding secession. Lincoln was wrong. The Federal government operates from the consent of the governed. A people who don't consent cannot be governed by the Federal government.

The federal government differs with you on that and would see a secession attempt as insurrection and take whatever steps necessary to put it down. This fantasy that there is a legal and peaceful path to secession is a pipe dream.

So why don't you clarify what those laws are exactly? Nixon said he had a plan to get us out of Vietnam, did that mean he had one? Where are these laws? What are they?

Ever heard of the the 14th amendment? That equal protection clause conservatives hate with a passion is all the legal justification the government needs to drag any breakaway state back to the union. States cannot take any action that removes any US citizen from the protection of the US constitution.

 

[Kondor3]

Yes, the Civil War settled this some time ago.

Secession is impossible without successful rebellion.

 

[kaz]

Just heard this- that 23% of Americans and 53% if tee potties answered yes to the question of 'would they like to secede from the union?'

A poster here recently asked 'why, if Scotland can vote to secede, why can't Americans?'

People say they want to secede but don't even know what US laws concerning secession.

Comments?

Would you vote to secede?

Why or why not?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatal

There is no US law regarding secession. Lincoln was wrong. The Federal government operates from the consent of the governed. A people who don't consent cannot be governed by the Federal government.

Texas v. White


Also, too, See: Civil War, 1861-1865.

A court ruling and a war are "laws?" What does that mean?

What laws prevent States from seceding?

Is Roe v Wade a law?

Did the Civil War effectively settle the case as to whether states could unilaterally secede?

Read the quote I responded to

 

[kaz]

Just heard this- that 23% of Americans and 53% if tee potties answered yes to the question of 'would they like to secede from the union?'

A poster here recently asked 'why, if Scotland can vote to secede, why can't Americans?'

People say they want to secede but don't even know what US laws concerning secession.

Comments?

Would you vote to secede?

Why or why not?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatal

There is no US law regarding secession. Lincoln was wrong. The Federal government operates from the consent of the governed. A people who don't consent cannot be governed by the Federal government.

The federal government differs with you on that and would see a secession attempt as insurrection and take whatever steps necessary to put it down. This fantasy that there is a legal and peaceful path to secession is a pipe dream.

So why don't you clarify what those laws are exactly? Nixon said he had a plan to get us out of Vietnam, did that mean he had one? Where are these laws? What are they?

Ever heard of the the 14th amendment? That equal protection clause conservatives hate with a passion is all the legal justification the government needs to drag any breakaway state back to the union. States cannot take any action that removes any US citizen from the protection of the US constitution.

Wow, that's awful. You should argue with a Republican about that.

 

[occupied]

Just heard this- that 23% of Americans and 53% if tee potties answered yes to the question of 'would they like to secede from the union?'

A poster here recently asked 'why, if Scotland can vote to secede, why can't Americans?'

People say they want to secede but don't even know what US laws concerning secession.

Comments?

Would you vote to secede?

Why or why not?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatal

There is no US law regarding secession. Lincoln was wrong. The Federal government operates from the consent of the governed. A people who don't consent cannot be governed by the Federal government.

The federal government differs with you on that and would see a secession attempt as insurrection and take whatever steps necessary to put it down. This fantasy that there is a legal and peaceful path to secession is a pipe dream.

So why don't you clarify what those laws are exactly? Nixon said he had a plan to get us out of Vietnam, did that mean he had one? Where are these laws? What are they?

Ever heard of the the 14th amendment? That equal protection clause conservatives hate with a passion is all the legal justification the government needs to drag any breakaway state back to the union. States cannot take any action that removes any US citizen from the protection of the US constitution.

Wow, that's awful. You should argue with a Republican about that.

Dumbass.

 

[kaz]

There is no US law regarding secession. Lincoln was wrong. The Federal government operates from the consent of the governed. A people who don't consent cannot be governed by the Federal government.

The federal government differs with you on that and would see a secession attempt as insurrection and take whatever steps necessary to put it down. This fantasy that there is a legal and peaceful path to secession is a pipe dream.

So why don't you clarify what those laws are exactly? Nixon said he had a plan to get us out of Vietnam, did that mean he had one? Where are these laws? What are they?

Ever heard of the the 14th amendment? That equal protection clause conservatives hate with a passion is all the legal justification the government needs to drag any breakaway state back to the union. States cannot take any action that removes any US citizen from the protection of the US constitution.

Wow, that's awful. You should argue with a Republican about that.

Dumbass.

Dumbass? You mean like calling a libertarian a Republican over and over because you are too stupid to know the difference? You mean dumb ass in that way or a different one?

 

[OODA_Loop]

No compact is eternal.

Foolish to believe otherwise.

 

[kaz]

That's a great quote from Jefferson. It's one the "TP Patriots" like to quote a lot.

It was said by Jefferson when he was in Paris when a lil thing going on here (well, it was sort of a big thing) stirred up the countryside,

It was called Shay's Rebellion. You recall it from your history books?

So you don't grasp the difference between a rebellion against a State and a State seceding from the Union? LOL, I'm sure you don't...

 

[occupied]

The federal government differs with you on that and would see a secession attempt as insurrection and take whatever steps necessary to put it down. This fantasy that there is a legal and peaceful path to secession is a pipe dream.

So why don't you clarify what those laws are exactly? Nixon said he had a plan to get us out of Vietnam, did that mean he had one? Where are these laws? What are they?

Ever heard of the the 14th amendment? That equal protection clause conservatives hate with a passion is all the legal justification the government needs to drag any breakaway state back to the union. States cannot take any action that removes any US citizen from the protection of the US constitution.

Wow, that's awful. You should argue with a Republican about that.

Dumbass.

Dumbass? You mean like calling a libertarian a Republican over and over because you are too stupid to know the difference? You mean dumb ass in that way or a different one?

Whatever it is you call yourself you are still a dumbass. Gave you the answer why secession is legally impossible and you come back splitting hairs over what you think you should be called, dumbass.