911 WTC 7 Silent Thermate Demolition, Debunkers Grab Your Ankles!

[Capstone]

Personal attacks aside, What temperature is indicated by a metal object ( that is ANY metal ) heated to the point where it glows red/orange?

Between 1598°F and 1706°F, I.E. significantly hotter than the oxygen-starved fires that were still burning when the orange/yellow molten material was seen exiting the South Tower (long after the bulk of the jet fuel had burned-off in the initial fireball).

 

[daws101]

Who here, reading this forum .. understand the difference between applying Thermite as a loose powder, and having a purpose built fixture to apply the energy to a specific location?

no evidence of "fixtures" were found. But anything is possible in fantasy,

the fixtures are iron and guess what thermite does to iron?

funny why build a device that would self destruct before it did it's job.
that's what would have happened if the fantasy thermite fixture would have been used ......total asshat!

 

[daws101]

Personal attacks aside, What temperature is indicated by a metal object ( that is ANY metal ) heated to the point where it glows red/orange?

glowing red, orange or mauve does not make it molten...
NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.

Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface."

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm


The melting point of steel is 2500F. A higher point of 6152F is needed to melt Tungsten.

Read more http://www.kgbanswers.co.uk/at-what-temperature-does-steel-become-molten/3352047#ixzz3S9BlPgcC

 

[SAYIT]

the fixtures are iron and guess what thermite does to iron?

funny why build a device that would self destruct before it did it's job.
that's what would have happened if the fantasy thermite fixture would have been used ......total asshat![/QUOTE]

Yanno Daws, any number of normal, rational, logical adults have been having the exact same conversation with the exact same asshats for years here and sometimes it occurs to me that at least some of them may well be the mis and dis informationalists that the now defunct "Truther" Movement believed to have so thoroughly muddied the waters. I mean, can anyone really be so dim as to "reason" and "think" as our more strident "Truthers" do? If you had to pick one, which of the asshats do you think is bright enough to be a double agent?

 

[n0spam4me]

speculation aside, WHY is it considered even plausible for WTC1,2 & 7 to have Collapsed into complete & total destruction? Other buildings in the same complex were damaged but not leveled, so WHY WTC1,2 & 7?
and in the manner of the collapse events being as described by the newspeople on TV as just like when an old building is intentionally destroyed....
This in addition to the fact that allegedly two airliners left airplane shaped gashes in the towers, REALLY PEOPLE?
and my question is.... WHY is there so little questioning of the official fairy tale? Are all of the voters/taxpayers of this land so completely fooled by this fraud that they choose not to ask any questions at all?

 

[daws101]

the fixtures are iron and guess what thermite does to iron?

funny why build a device that would self destruct before it did it's job.
that's what would have happened if the fantasy thermite fixture would have been used ......total asshat!

Yanno Daws, any number of normal, rational, logical adults have been having the exact same conversation with the exact same asshats for years here and sometimes it occurs to me that at least some of them may well be the mis and dis informationalists that the now defunct "Truther" Movement believed to have so thoroughly muddied the waters. I mean, can anyone really be so dim as to "reason" and "think" as our more strident "Truthers" do? If you had to pick one, which of the asshats do you think is bright enough to be a double agent?[/QUOTE]


none in the current crop of dumb fucks but capstone does a fair imitation a nearly rational person!

 

[daws101]

speculation aside, WHY is it considered even plausible for WTC1,2 & 7 to have Collapsed into complete & total destruction? Other buildings in the same complex were damaged but not leveled, so WHY WTC1,2 & 7?
and in the manner of the collapse events being as described by the newspeople on TV as just like when an old building is intentionally destroyed....
This in addition to the fact that allegedly two airliners left airplane shaped gashes in the towers, REALLY PEOPLE?
and my question is.... WHY is there so little questioning of the official fairy tale? Are all of the voters/taxpayers of this land so completely fooled by this fraud that they choose not to ask any questions at all?

spammy do use a favor and take a break...!.

 

[MaryL]

Don't need termite or that. Jet A Fuel burns hot enough to melt steel girders, how about we just get back to Islamic extremist again? Same people that are beheading people in the name of some imaginary fantasy?

 

[SAYIT]

Don't need termite or that. Jet A Fuel burns hot enough to melt steel girders, how about we just get back to Islamic extremist again? Same people that are beheading people in the name of some imaginary fantasy?

I don't believe jet fuel burns long enough to melt thick steel girders just as I don't believe thermite devices surreptitiously duct-taped to some girders by silent ninja Girl Scout CD riggers would survive the chaotic fires or cut the steel as suggested by our loonier "Truthers." The fact remains there are easier and far more reliable ways to demo a building and far easier and more rational ways to accomplish whatever agenda - other than that of the 19 hijackers - that the "Truthers" believe was in play.

 

[SAYIT]

the fixtures are iron and guess what thermite does to iron?

funny why build a device that would self destruct before it did it's job.
that's what would have happened if the fantasy thermite fixture would have been used ......total asshat!

Yanno Daws, any number of normal, rational, logical adults have been having the exact same conversation with the exact same asshats for years here and sometimes it occurs to me that at least some of them may well be the mis and dis informationalists that the now defunct "Truther" Movement believed to have so thoroughly muddied the waters. I mean, can anyone really be so dim as to "reason" and "think" as our more strident "Truthers" do? If you had to pick one, which of the asshats do you think is bright enough to be a double agent?

none in the current crop of dumb fucks but capstone does a fair imitation a nearly rational person![/QUOTE]

Too obvious. Cappy tries too hard to avoid appearing loony. I too doubt any of the current crop has the smarts to be a double agent but it would be one or more of the irregulars (as if any "Truther" can be described as regular). Maybe one who drops in, spews some silly 9/11 lunacy, and then drops out.

 

[SAYIT]

speculation aside, WHY is it considered even plausible for WTC1,2 & 7 to have Collapsed into complete & total destruction?

Because they did.

.... WHY is there so little questioning of the official fairy tale? Are all of the voters/taxpayers of this land so completely fooled by this fraud that they choose not to ask any questions at all?

Because rational adults don't consider the NIST findings - incomplete and imperfect as they may be - to be an "official fairy tale" and for those same rational adults, short of physically re-enacting 9/11, the questions have been answered to a reasonable degree. Your frustration seems to stem from your inability - and that of the now-defunct "Truther" Movement - to convince normal peeps to slide down that silly wabbit hole with you.
More Spammy pseudoscience in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

 

[n0spam4me]

Note that in post 871, there is a very clear example of circular logic in that

Because they did.

is offered up as the reason why it had to have been the product of the fires and damage from an airliner crash rather than any pre-planned demolition.

 

[hadit]

Note that in post 871, there is a very clear example of circular logic in that

Because they did.

is offered up as the reason why it had to have been the product of the fires and damage from an airliner crash rather than any pre-planned demolition.

Occam's razor. When considering many alternatives the simplest one is usually the right one. Conspiracy theorists continue to widen the conspiracy, come up with ever wilder speculations, and add layer upon layer of complexity. The whole "pre-planned demolition" idea rests on some pretty extreme assumptions.

 

[n0spam4me]

Occam's razor is often invoked in these discussions and may I add a bit if info here. In order to do what was alleged to have been done in the case of "FLT175" the airliner would have to be traveling aprox 240 meters/sec. or about 540 mph, now this is considerably faster than any pilot has previously flown any commercial airliner so near sea-level. So we are expected to believe that the hijacker/pilot took a gamble in this case, that is attempting and succeeding to fly the aircraft in a manner that has NEVER been done and is outside the specified standard operating parameters for said aircraft.
not only that, but the hijacker/pilot was able to actually control the aircraft so as to strike the WTC tower. We are then expected to believe that an airliner can perform as a missile in penetrating the wall of the skyscraper, penetrating completely and leaving behind a wing shaped gash.
When ever two physical object collide, there is the strength of materials issue, consider the case of a steel automobile striking a fiberglass sports car, what happens in that case?

The whole scenario with the alleged hijacked airliners used as weapons is beyond improbable its impossible!

 

[SAYIT]

Note that in post 871, there is a very clear example of circular logic in that

Because they did.

is offered up as the reason why it had to have been the product of the fires and damage from an airliner crash rather than any pre-planned demolition.

You are a lame liar as well as a coward, Spammy.
"Because they did" was a specific response to your post which asked only: "speculation aside, WHY is it considered even plausible for WTC1,2 & 7 to have Collapsed into complete & total destruction?" Clearly you truncated the conversation because it did not support the lie you wanted to post in your "war for hearts and minds."

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Don't need termite or that. Jet A Fuel burns hot enough to melt steel girders, how about we just get back to Islamic extremist again? Same people that are beheading people in the name of some imaginary fantasy?

great fantasys you have that they are hot enough to melt steel girders.

No surprise that's the latest babble from you considering that you also have fantasy that JFK got us into Vietnam and esculated the Vietnam war.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Note that in post 871, there is a very clear example of circular logic in that

Because they did.

is offered up as the reason why it had to have been the product of the fires and damage from an airliner crash rather than any pre-planned demolition.

Occam's razor. When considering many alternatives the simplest one is usually the right one. Conspiracy theorists continue to widen the conspiracy, come up with ever wilder speculations, and add layer upon layer of complexity. The whole "pre-planned demolition" idea rests on some pretty extreme assumptions.

the only conspiracy THEORISTS are the bush dupes who believe the fires brought the towers down.


assumption is assuming the did without any facts whatsoever to back them up.

its asinine to say it wasn't pre planned the fact so many architects and engineers have said fires have never caused a bld to collapse and that demoltion experts have said they were brought down by explosives.also bld 7 is the crux of the 9/11 coverup commission Bush dupes cant get around.

the fact that disinfo agent dawgshit-aka sayit sockpuppet clicked on a like for it,proves this post is BS.

 

[SAYIT]

Note that in post 871, there is a very clear example of circular logic in that

Because they did.

is offered up as the reason why it had to have been the product of the fires and damage from an airliner crash rather than any pre-planned demolition.

Occam's razor. When considering many alternatives the simplest one is usually the right one. Conspiracy theorists continue to widen the conspiracy, come up with ever wilder speculations, and add layer upon layer of complexity. The whole "pre-planned demolition" idea rests on some pretty extreme assumptions.

the only conspiracy THEORISTS are the bush dupes who believe the fires brought the towers down.


assumption is assuming the did without any facts whatsoever to back them up.

its asinine to say it wasn't pre planned the fact so many architects and engineers have said fires have never caused a bld to collapse and that demoltion experts have said they were brought down by explosives.also bld 7 is the crux of the 9/11 coverup commission Bush dupes cant get around.

the fact that disinfo agent dawgshit-aka sayit sockpuppet clicked on a like for it,proves this post is BS.

The shrill and incessant lunacy of poor HandJob should convince any 9/11 "Truther" and any potential "Truther" that all is lost and to quickly abandon that sinking ship.

 

[Montrovant]

Occam's razor is often invoked in these discussions and may I add a bit if info here. In order to do what was alleged to have been done in the case of "FLT175" the airliner would have to be traveling aprox 240 meters/sec. or about 540 mph, now this is considerably faster than any pilot has previously flown any commercial airliner so near sea-level. So we are expected to believe that the hijacker/pilot took a gamble in this case, that is attempting and succeeding to fly the aircraft in a manner that has NEVER been done and is outside the specified standard operating parameters for said aircraft.
not only that, but the hijacker/pilot was able to actually control the aircraft so as to strike the WTC tower. We are then expected to believe that an airliner can perform as a missile in penetrating the wall of the skyscraper, penetrating completely and leaving behind a wing shaped gash.
When ever two physical object collide, there is the strength of materials issue, consider the case of a steel automobile striking a fiberglass sports car, what happens in that case?

The whole scenario with the alleged hijacked airliners used as weapons is beyond improbable its impossible!

A couple of points.

First, flying outside 'specified standard operating parameters' does not seem like much to me. I would think that those parameters usually fall on the side of safety, rather than going to the edge of possibility. Further, while perhaps no passenger plane of the type had ever been flow in such a manner, it's also likely that no test had been done of such flight by people not only willing but expecting to crash and die.

As to the planes entering and making holes in the sides of the buildings, what exactly did the planes penetrate? The sides of the buildings were, in large part, windows, were they not? You (and others) talk about it as though the planes were made of aluminum foil and the towers were covered in an inches thick layer of solid steel.

As far as the two automobiles colliding, it's entirely dependent on the specific circumstances as to what happens.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

someone farted in here.^

I usually reserve that line in the conspiracy section for paid trolls such as faun,rat in the ass,and dawgshit and his sock puppet he is posting under sayit but with you,i am making an exception with since you are scared of facts about government corruption and only see what you want to see.