A personal note to Climate Change Deniers

[Unkotare]

A personal note to Climate Change Deniers

I don't deny that the climate is changing. You people simply haven't convinced me we're at fault for it.

It seems clear that the sun is racist and needs to be taxed and regulated right away.

 

[two_iron]

The entire thread could be reduced to: Everything the Dims touch turns to shit.... and then dies.

 

[flacaltenn]

I’ll just be blunt. Those that deny anthropogenic Climate change are among the most obtuse individuals on the planet. The scientific evidence is overwhelming and the empirical evidence everywhere.

The HELL it's overwhelming. Climate studies cover about 27 different disciplines.. THere's no consensus on ANYTHING that isn't a simplistic question.. YOU NEED TO ANSWER ABOUT 12 IMPORTANT QUESTIONS on Climate change and HAVE CONSENSUS ON ALL 12...

Give ya an example.. We used to get yearly or even MONTHLY model runs for climate 50 and 100 years out.. THAT STOPPED.. Because the models were failing a couple decades out...

So I ask you --

What's the GMAST (Global Mean Annual Temperature) anomaly gonna be in 2100???? Need and answer to plan my escape to a space haven.. In 1985 -- it was gonna be 6 to 10DegC hotter in 2100.. By about 2005 -- they were predicting 3 to 5DegC hotter.. LAST prediction I heard -- it was DOWN to 2.5 to 3.5 DegC hotter.. Now we're 35 YEARS closer to 22nd century and it should be EASY to give me an estimate RIGHT?? GO find it... RECENT meaning in the past 5 years...

 

[flacaltenn]

Look dude, you can sit back and leave this mess to your grandchildren. I for one will NOT.

You'd do more for grandchildren by letting DEGREED forest mgt folks do their thing and by RESTRICTING BUILDING near forests. Than chasing after windmills and solar panels to fix "global weirding"...

 

[tyroneweaver]

Well first of all antifa is starting those fires
2nd Oregon isn't under water like you've been predicting for a hundred years.
And third. You seam to be feeding your fat ass every day so the climate isn't denying you anything.

Is there ANYTHING bad you haven't blamed on AntiFa. Provide evidence or STFU.
Thank you in advance for shutting TFU up as you NEVER have anything interesting

LOL I guess by dropping the F bomb on me, you're putting me in your sexual fantasies
Btw
Here's your proof. Now. It's up to you to prove me wrong

It's Not Global Warming: Oregon Officials Announce Arrest of Two More Alleged Arsonists Including Criminal Transient

Jonathan Maas, 44, of Springfield (on left) and Michael Jarrod Bokkela, 41 (on right) were arrested for arson by Oregon officials. Jonathan Maas was arrested for allegedly starting a fire in the woods near the frisbee golf course at Dexter State Recreation Area in Oregon. MSN.com reported: A man...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Papageorgio]

The fire up by Mill City was caused by a chain dragging between the truck and camping trailer. Arson, was the cause in Medford, also in the Graham, Puyallup and Bonney Lake area.

The conditions are once in a hundred year phenomenon, it had to have the perfect conditions. Forest fires on the east side of the mountains is very common and we all know where they are going to be. Now if this occurs several times over the next few years, then it could be climate change, otherwise it’s like Covid-19, shit happens.

 

[airplanemechanic]

I certainly don't deny climate change.

I got up Tuesday morning in Minnasota and it was 40 fucking degrees and the wind was blowing and it was pouring down rain. I stopped for the night in south Illinois, where it was 84 degrees and not a shred of a breeze.

Hell yea the climate changes, in just a few hundred miles.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Y'all don't see that extreme weather events of all kinds as evidence that you consistently ignore. Move to CA, OR or WA right now if you don't believe it. I live on the Central Coast Oregon and had to evacuate. When I came back yesterday, my house was still here but only due to an act of God - The weather changed from 60-80 MPH hot east winds to the more normal cool air off the Pacific Ocean. If it had changed one day later, my neighbors and I would have lost our homes and everything in them. The fire would likely have burned all the way down to the beach.

Lincoln County (particularly the coastal section) has never had a fire such as this. It is unprecedented. Let me repeat U-N-P-R-E-C-E-D-E-N-T-E-D. We get 40-50 inches of rain each year which makes us damn near fireproof. No mas, and If you Deniers had live through what I just did ya might feel differently. No phone service, no power, no place to go because the hotels were all shut down and the ones open an hour or two away were full up. I also had little fuel in my truck too sparse to attempt a run south. 101 northbound was closed. And of course, 101 southbound was a parking lot with everyone and their dogs attempting to flee.

So my dog and I camped in a state park on the beach for three days, trying as best we could to stay inside as ashes about the width of a baseball rained down rained ONTO THE FREAKING BEACH. wondering whether my home was still there as I looked up on occasion at the flames. Red Cross brought us hot food and coffee from time to time. They saved our asses to put it mildly as by Wednesday my provisions were about gone. Let me tell you, it was THE scariest thing I've ever experienced. You never want to hear a cop roll down your street with the speaker blaring saying - "This is your Level Three Notification ... LEAVE NOW!!". I was prepared, but nothing really prepares you for that kind of stress. NOTHING.

A state trooper came by Wednesday morning and based on my address, said It'd be safe to return home but that we're still on a Level One notice, so my suitcase is still packed. Made it home on fumes but still was no power Wi-Fi or phone service (land line OR cell) until this morning. Was lucky to find a nearby gas station open early this morning before the power went out AGAIN.

Hey, I'm not looking for anyone to feel sorry for those affected by these sorts of things. Even those who have lost their homes. Life comes at ya sometimes and you deal with it. I'm lucky beyond belief to this point in time. But the frequency and intensity of these weather events, especially the historically unprecedented ones such as we just had here on the coast would be enough to make even the most hardcore Denier think twice.

Donald will probably deny the west coast federal assistance because we didn't rake our forest floors well enough and he hates our governors. Sad

I think Dana7360 lives in my general vicinity. You okay?

Hi DrLove. I'm so glad to read you're ok. As you know, I was in that area just a couple weeks ago. I was so worried about you. I had not seen a post from you in a few days and know that there's wildfires in your area. I'm so glad to see a post from you. I'm crying because a friend of mine and I just photographed the area again.

Yes we're neighbors. I'm ok here. We have a lot of smoke here. I can't even see Puget Sound out my window today. It's all blocked by the smoke. The ocean is just two blocks from my home but the smoke is so thick and bad, it can't be seen.

The Gifford Pinchot National Forest is on fire here which isn't far from where I live. We started getting the bad smoke on Wednesday. It's gotten worse everyday since.

I've been working to prevent and stop all this since the 80s when reagan started the deforestation of our mountains. I'm sure if you were here you remember bald mountains with nothing left alive on them for as far as the eye can see. For miles and miles. Especially along Interstate 90 and over on the Peninsula.

Climate change was here in the early 2000s showing it's effects then but people didn't listen.

Now, what is called Reflection Lake that used to be a mirror of Mt. Rainier is no more a reflection. There isn't enough water anymore.

Same with Picture Lake for Mt. Baker. Half the water is gone so there's no water to reflect the mountain anymore.

Everywhere I go Lakes, streams and rivers are drying up.

Mt. Rainier is melting. Literally. For the first time in my 60 years of life I actually saw and photographed black spots on the very top of Mt. Rainier where there is no snow. That has never happened before. The south side if the mountain is nearly without snow in the summer now.

Mt. St Helens has no snow in the summer now. I was at Windy Ridge last month and was taking the photos of the crater through tears because I was crying at what I was seeing. Again, for the first time in my 60 years of life. I have never seen Mt. St. Helens without snow except for when it blew up in 1980.

A friend of mine and I went to Smith Rock last year in April. We drove highway 22 through the middle of Oregon and the southern Cascades. It was normal. Beautiful. Then we came to an area of a wildfire. Everything was dead and black. It went on for miles and miles and miles. I had never driven through an old wildfire that lasted that long. Sure we're used to spots but nothing like that. At one point I just pulled my car over, put my hands in my arms and sobbed. Just sobbed. It was just too overwhelming for me. I couldn't hold in in any longer and I knew I shouldn't be driving that upset. It took me a while to get myself together. When I did I pulled out one of my cameras, the one with the 18-200 mm lens on it. I didn't have my camera with Big Betty on it with me, my curved 14 to 28mm so I had to make due with what I had. I had to document it. It's one of the things I do. Document. So through tears again, shoulders shaking because of my sobs, I climbed out the car and walked over to take shots. Here are some of them. I took them through tears and still shaking.

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Everything you all see in those photos is black, dead burned trees. For miles and miles as far as the eye can see.

What you deniers don't realize is that those trees make our air. They not just make our air they clean our air.

If we don't have trees we don't have air.

I don't know about you deniers but I like to breathe. In fact, I'm addicted to and can't live without it.

Same with water. Nothing on this planet can live without water.

dayum, I wish I was as smart as you

 

[tyroneweaver]

I certainly don't deny climate change.

I got up Tuesday morning in Minnasota and it was 40 fucking degrees and the wind was blowing and it was pouring down rain. I stopped for the night in south Illinois, where it was 84 degrees and not a shred of a breeze.

Hell yea the climate changes, in just a few hundred miles.

Packers by 20

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Climate Change Alarmists preach - You're ALL gonna Die !!!!

Then, the power mongers say.....not to worry, just do everything government tells you to do and you'll live.

Stupid fools say "We believe you, controlling, authoritarian huge government, whatever you say" !!!!

Meaning - If you are a climate alarmist, you are being manipulated for someone else's benefit.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What you deniers don't realize is that those trees make our air. They not just make our air they clean our air.

If we don't have trees we don't have air.

What about the plankton?
Do they contribute to the 21% oxygen in the atmosphere?

 

[flacaltenn]

If you took all the fossil fuels burned by mankind all over the world for an entire year...

The sun gives us more energy than that in one hour.

OoOoH lookie! We have a scientist in the thread.
Praise JEBUS!

So you admit you're a SCIENCE DENIER?

No - My point was that I'm NOT a science denier.
97% of peer reviewed studies by ACTUAL climate scientists (aka not YOU) confirm extreme weather events are manmade.
But live in your bubble - Y'all will be dead sooner than later.

You really ought to read this again...

Shock Poll: Meteorologists Are Global Warming Skeptics

With substantially fewer than half of meteorologists very worried about global warming or expecting substantial harm during the next 100 years, one has to wonder why environmental activist groups are sowing the seeds of global warming panic.

www.forbes.com

For example, a position statement recently published by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) and frequently cited as the “definitive” indication of scientific consensus on global warming was authored by a mere 23 persons. Of those 23 persons, only five had Ph.D.s in a field closely related to climate science, an equal number (5) were staffers for environmental activist groups, two were politicians, one was the EPA general counsel under the Clinton administration and 19 of the 23 had already spoken out on behalf of global warming alarmism prior to being chosen for the panel.

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Same deal with MOST professional societies.. I belong to a couple one is IEEE (electrical electronic engineers).. THEY have not much skin in the climate game except for members with system analysis and modeling.. NEVER contacted a member for approval of their GW statement.

And when the Aussie Geophysical Society which IS a principle component of Climate Studies tried to REVISE their GW mission statement -- the members DEMANDED to be polled and included.. They NEVER REVISED it -- because of all the warring and feuding.

 

[daveman]

I’ll just be blunt. Those that deny anthropogenic Climate change are among the most obtuse individuals on the planet. The scientific evidence is overwhelming and the empirical evidence everywhere.

The HELL it's overwhelming. Climate studies cover about 27 different disciplines.. THere's no consensus on ANYTHING that isn't a simplistic question.. YOU NEED TO ANSWER ABOUT 12 IMPORTANT QUESTIONS on Climate change and HAVE CONSENSUS ON ALL 12...

Give ya an example.. We used to get yearly or even MONTHLY model runs for climate 50 and 100 years out.. THAT STOPPED.. Because the models were failing a couple decades out...

So I ask you --

What's the GMAST (Global Mean Annual Temperature) anomaly gonna be in 2100???? Need and answer to plan my escape to a space haven.. In 1985 -- it was gonna be 6 to 10DegC hotter in 2100.. By about 2005 -- they were predicting 3 to 5DegC hotter.. LAST prediction I heard -- it was DOWN to 2.5 to 3.5 DegC hotter.. Now we're 35 YEARS closer to 22nd century and it should be EASY to give me an estimate RIGHT?? GO find it... RECENT meaning in the past 5 years...

Now ask 'em what the ideal temperature of the planet is!

 

[Thunk]

At any time on any subject...when you hear the words "the science is settled, the debate is over"...you know they are talking out of their asshole!

I also love how they live in 12 huge mansions & fly their private 757's to the global warming conferences

 

[daveman]

At any time on any subject...when you hear the words "the science is settled, the debate is over"...you know they are talking out of their asshole!

I also love how they live in 12 huge mansions & fly their private 757's to the global warming conferences

Science is never settled. Well, real science isn't.

 

[Thunk]

Science is never settled. Well, real science isn't.

Exactly!

And "peer reviewed science" is not science!

In 1492 it was peer reviewed science that the earth was flat. And all scientists agreed on it!

 

[DrLove]

I’ll just be blunt. Those that deny anthropogenic Climate change are among the most obtuse individuals on the planet. The scientific evidence is overwhelming and the empirical evidence everywhere.

Your “science” is in the same category as that which holds that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

It has nothing to do with genuine science.

Funny, a guy who denies the COVIDS attempting to teach the class about "science".
Well, it's really not funny - It's dangerous FAKE science.

 

[DrLove]

I figured my thread was gonna turn to shit when I started it considering the MAGA-hatter nature of it.
Just blame it on AntiFa and go the hell away.

Your thread started out as shit, from your very first posting that began it. Your initial premise was shit, and every argument that you have tried to make to support that premise is shit. There is no way that this thread could have turned out any differently.

You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Could it be that Bob and his NON-science are shit? Yep - Now beat it ya ignorant butthole.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Blame the fires on global warming? They just had a freaking snow storm in Colorado. Maybe if you Oregonors stop whining and take control of the arsons and anarchy things might turn around.

Yep, I talked to someone in Colorado Springs today to get a late bill taken care of. It was snowing there, which in early September would be included as an extreme weather event. Extreme weather and CC have NOTHING to do with hot and cold - Ya freaking MOron

Cold doesn't have anything to do with snow???

What a fucking retard!!!!

Say EXTREME WEATHER EVENT
Now, repeat it if your memory doesn't go past a negative 12 (like Donald's)
After that - BEAT IT

Where I come from, we always say "It's cold and snowing"....

I've never heard anyone say "It sure is hot, and it's snowing"....

If it's not cold, and it's snowing there, I suggest that you make sure you're not under a flock of pigeons!!!!

Oh FUCK -
I figured my thread was gonna turn to shit when I started it considering the MAGA-hatter nature of it.
Just blame it on AntiFa and go the hell away.

I you lost it when you used the words unprecedented...

Good God kid it happened before, the earth didn't start the day you where born.

 

[DrLove]

I’ll just be blunt. Those that deny anthropogenic Climate change are among the most obtuse individuals on the planet. The scientific evidence is overwhelming and the empirical evidence everywhere.

Your “science” is in the same category as that which holds that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

It has nothing to do with genuine science.

So THIS is why 97% of actual peer reviewed climate scientists agree with ME Bob.
Ok man - Go with the 3% - They suit you!

Here's another gem for you...

Shock Poll: Meteorologists Are Global Warming Skeptics

With substantially fewer than half of meteorologists very worried about global warming or expecting substantial harm during the next 100 years, one has to wonder why environmental activist groups are sowing the seeds of global warming panic.

www.forbes.com

A recent survey of American Meteorological Society members shows meteorologists are skeptical that humans are causing a global warming crisis. The survey confirms what many scientists have been reporting for years; the politically focused bureaucratic leadership of many science organizations is severely out of touch with the scientists themselves regarding global warming issues.

According to American Meteorological Society (AMS) data, 89% of AMS meteorologists believe global warming is happening, but only a minority (30%) is very worried about global warming.

This sharp contrast between the large majority of meteorologists who believe global warming is happening and the modest minority who are nevertheless very worried about it is consistent with other scientist surveys. This contrast exposes global warming alarmists who assert that 97% of the world’s scientists agree humans are causing a global warming crisis simply because these scientists believe global warming is occurring. However, as this and other scientist surveys show, believing that some warming is occurring is not the same as believing humans are causing a worrisome crisis.

Other questions solidified the meteorologists’ skepticism about humans creating a global warming crisis. For example, among those meteorologists who believe global warming is happening, only a modest majority (59%) believe humans are the primary cause. More importantly, only 38% of respondents who believe global warming is occurring say it will be very harmful during the next 100 years.



With substantially fewer than half of meteorologists very worried about global warming or expecting substantial harm during the next 100 years, one has to wonder why environmental activist groups are sowing the seeds of global warming panic. Does anyone really expect our economy to be powered 100 years from now by the same energy sources we use today? Why immediately, severely, and permanently punish our economy with costly global warming restrictions when technological advances and the free market will likely address any such global warming concerns much more efficiently, economically and effectively?

In another line of survey questions, 53% of respondents believe there is conflict among AMS members regarding the topic of global warming. Only 33% believe there is no conflict. Another 15% were not sure. These results provide strong refutation to the assertion that “the debate is over.”

Interestingly, only 26% of respondents said the conflict among AMS members is unproductive.

Overall, the survey of AMS scientists paints a very different picture than the official AMS Information Statement on Climate Change. Drafted by the AMS bureaucracy, the Information Statement leaves readers with the impression that AMS meteorologists have few doubts about humans creating a global warming crisis. The Information Statement indicates quite strongly that humans are the primary driver of global temperatures and the consequences are and will continue to be quite severe. Compare the bureaucracy’s Information Statement with the survey results of the AMS scientists themselves.

Scientists who have attended the Heartland Institute’s annual International Conference on Climate Change report the same disconnect throughout their various science organizations; only a minority of scientists believes humans are causing a global warming crisis, yet the non-scientist bureaucracies publish position statements that contradict what the scientists themselves believe. Few, if any, of these organizations actually poll their members before publishing a position statement. Within this context of few actual scientist surveys, the AMS survey results are very powerful.



It's also noteworthy that 80% of those meteorologists have PhDs or Master's degrees (as opposed to being a spoiled teenager from Sweden like Greta Thunberg).....

TeeVee weathermen are not qualified to opine on climate science. You can get a degree as a meteorologist without taking a single class in climate science.

Why Don't TV Meteorologists Believe in Climate Change? - Inside Climate News

In recent years, the world’s scientists have begun to show that climate change is altering the magnitude and frequency of severe weather, and polls say a majority of Americans now link droughts, floods and other extremes to global warming. And yet, this country’s TV weather forecasters have...

insideclimatenews.org

Forecasting Denial: Why Are TV Weathercasters Ignoring Climate Change?

You definitely don't need these weathermen to know which way the wind blows

www.rollingstone.com

But I can stop ya from going through life drunk and stupid. Anyone currently gazing up at the apocalyptic burnt orange skies in San Francisco, Portland and Seattle while gagging on ashes knows better.