A question for Republicans

[Big Fitz]

I don't think that people are actually saying

Of course not. It's unbelievably evil when you strip away all the disguises and folderol. Thats why they WON'T say it except in what they think is safe environs.

or wanting what you are writing and speaking about in this away

But all redistribution boils down to this simple salient fact. Someone else has something you want, so you take it by means of force through law, threat, fraud or violence. I think you have too much money, I can mug you, blackmail you, cheat you or just get my congressmen to get the IRS to take it from you.

Irrefutable fact of economics. If I have something, and someone takes it from me against my will, it's theft, no matter how you dress it up.

but some theft is more palatable than others.

it is just that people are saying (I think) that they just want to be treated fairly,

Define fair. Is fair that everyone is treated equally by the same rules or that they all in the end have the same results? You're a result kinda guy, aren't you?

Fairness test #1:

If I work for someone at an agreed upon price, I should be paid the amount owed me regardless of what it is, according to our agreement. Fair or unfair?

Fairness Test #2:

If someone is financially struggling, regardless of reason, their need justifies them taking wealth from someone who is succeeding and financially stable. Fair or Unfair?

We do understand that there was a huge problem

Yes. People who don't earn money are getting it from those who DO earn money with no merit save that they are struggling in life.

where as the rich were getting filthy richer

So?

by any means nessesary and the poor working class in the nation were getting super poor as a result of their new found dis-respect for their American workers

Incredibly assumptive that you imply ALL rich or even MOST rich do this. Start finding sources to back this generality. Bernie Madoff and Enron are exceptions, not the rule and they've been punished. Prove that they is a movement afoot to defraud workers. Offshoring is a natural result of our current business laws, because we are a bad market risk for a LOT of business here. This cannot help but change for the better after Obama who has no businessmen in his staff save corporatist Jeffry Immelt. The worst business record since Wilson IIRC.

they were even trying to replace the American worker on a grand scale,

Capital is mobile in a global economy. I thought you leftists WANTED other nations to prosper. Capital also has little patriotism. What is owed to you and your community from any business? What merit do you have that they 'just can't leave'? I feel like I'm dealing with a Browns Fan in the Modell era.

with illegal Mexican labor as much as they possibly could

Who won't close the border again? :::listens for crickets:::

and using terms such as "they (the illegals) are just doing the job's that Americans won't do".

yeah. The liberals are. And they're wrong about that too.

Michelle Malkin » Wonders Never Cease

Am I imagining this fact or making that up also ?

dunno. It's not a world I'd call rational.

 

[ilia25]

Please! For the rights lying is like breathing. And why would not they -- there is plenty of gullible voters out there.

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sillia seems a little off his A game.

Funny -- no matter how badly republicans fuck you up, you and your little friends always find it amusing.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Incredible Tank Implosion - YouTube

sillia seems a little off his A game.

Funny -- no matter how badly republicans fuck you up, you and your little friends always find it amusing.

Whenever Republicans act like Dems, they fuck things up.
It's amusing when Dems complain about it.

How'd you manage to get so far in life without understanding median?
Do you blame the Teachers Union?

 

[Big Fitz]

Incredible Tank Implosion - YouTube

sillia seems a little off his A game.

Funny -- no matter how badly republicans fuck you up, you and your little friends always find it amusing.

of course.

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[ilia25]

Funny -- no matter how badly republicans fuck you up, you and your little friends always find it amusing.

Whenever Republicans act like Dems, they fuck things up.
It's amusing when Dems complain about it.

How'd you manage to get so far in life without understanding median?
Do you blame the Teachers Union?

What's even more funny -- even after you have been shown how Republicans fuck you up, robbing you of your money, you would hang to anything, any little thing to stay loyal to them.

You deserve it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Funny -- no matter how badly republicans fuck you up, you and your little friends always find it amusing.

Whenever Republicans act like Dems, they fuck things up.
It's amusing when Dems complain about it.

How'd you manage to get so far in life without understanding median?
Do you blame the Teachers Union?

What's even more funny -- even after you have been shown how Republicans fuck you up, robbing you of your money, you would hang to anything, any little thing to stay loyal to them.

You deserve it.

Loyal? You're funny. Dems fuck up the country at least twice as much as Republicans.
Tell me the median of 400 and 600. Idiot.

 

[ilia25]

Whenever Republicans act like Dems, they fuck things up.
It's amusing when Dems complain about it.

How'd you manage to get so far in life without understanding median?
Do you blame the Teachers Union?

What's even more funny -- even after you have been shown how Republicans fuck you up, robbing you of your money, you would hang to anything, any little thing to stay loyal to them.

You deserve it.

Loyal? You're funny. Dems fuck up the country at least twice as much as Republicans.
Tell me the median of 400 and 600. Idiot.

I already told you the median family income story -- that's all you need to know to realise how you are being fucked up. But you so like being fucked up, don't you?

Why else would you want to make yourself poorer, and enrich the affluent even more?

Republicans are conning you. They sell you an idea that any lazy bastard would love -- that we live in a simple world, with simple solutions to simple problems. And you fall for it.

 

[Big Fitz]

Funny -- no matter how badly republicans fuck you up, you and your little friends always find it amusing.

Whenever Republicans act like Dems, they fuck things up.
It's amusing when Dems complain about it.

How'd you manage to get so far in life without understanding median?
Do you blame the Teachers Union?

What's even more funny -- even after you have been shown how Republicans fuck you up, robbing you of your money, you would hang to anything, any little thing to stay loyal to them.

You deserve it.

You misspelled democrats.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What's even more funny -- even after you have been shown how Republicans fuck you up, robbing you of your money, you would hang to anything, any little thing to stay loyal to them.

You deserve it.

Loyal? You're funny. Dems fuck up the country at least twice as much as Republicans.
Tell me the median of 400 and 600. Idiot.

I already told you the median family income story -- that's all you need to know to realise how you are being fucked up. But you so like being fucked up, don't you?

Why else would you want to make yourself poorer, and enrich the affluent even more?

Republicans are conning you. They sell you an idea that any lazy bastard would love -- that we live in a simple world, with simple solutions to simple problems. And you fall for it.

So, if median household income is $50000 and the top half sees their income rise by 20%, would that make you sad? Why?

 

[beagle9]

I don't think that people are actually saying

Of course not. It's unbelievably evil when you strip away all the disguises and folderol. Thats why they WON'T say it except in what they think is safe environs.

or wanting what you are writing and speaking about in this away

But all redistribution boils down to this simple salient fact. Someone else has something you want, so you take it by means of force through law, threat, fraud or violence. I think you have too much money, I can mug you, blackmail you, cheat you or just get my congressmen to get the IRS to take it from you.

Irrefutable fact of economics. If I have something, and someone takes it from me against my will, it's theft, no matter how you dress it up.

but some theft is more palatable than others.

Define fair. Is fair that everyone is treated equally by the same rules or that they all in the end have the same results? You're a result kinda guy, aren't you?

Fairness test #1:

If I work for someone at an agreed upon price, I should be paid the amount owed me regardless of what it is, according to our agreement. Fair or unfair?

Fairness Test #2:

If someone is financially struggling, regardless of reason, their need justifies them taking wealth from someone who is succeeding and financially stable. Fair or Unfair?

Yes. People who don't earn money are getting it from those who DO earn money with no merit save that they are struggling in life.

So?

Incredibly assumptive that you imply ALL rich or even MOST rich do this. Start finding sources to back this generality. Bernie Madoff and Enron are exceptions, not the rule and they've been punished. Prove that they is a movement afoot to defraud workers. Offshoring is a natural result of our current business laws, because we are a bad market risk for a LOT of business here. This cannot help but change for the better after Obama who has no businessmen in his staff save corporatist Jeffry Immelt. The worst business record since Wilson IIRC.

Capital is mobile in a global economy. I thought you leftists WANTED other nations to prosper. Capital also has little patriotism. What is owed to you and your community from any business? What merit do you have that they 'just can't leave'? I feel like I'm dealing with a Browns Fan in the Modell era.

Who won't close the border again? :::listens for crickets:::

and using terms such as "they (the illegals) are just doing the job's that Americans won't do".

yeah. The liberals are. And they're wrong about that too.

Michelle Malkin » Wonders Never Cease

Am I imagining this fact or making that up also ?

dunno. It's not a world I'd call rational.

You are engaged now in the oldest trick in the book now, where as you are taking everything out of context with these short one liners in which you create from my post, in order to distort hopefully to your readers or followers, exactly what my post did say or the meaning of it was, and then you attempt to make your comments upon my words somehow work for you when emplementing this tactic, and so with these little dibbles and dabbles (one liners that you create out of my works), you then comment on and/or about them, even though they were created by you for a single purpose, that sadly and actually does not allow for your reader to get a full understanding of what exactly is going on here (or) is being said here, and so no one is fooled by this tactic used, ummm I hope you know that.

How about doing what I did with your works, where as by leaving it intact, and then interjecting my questions or comments straight into your works, where as by this, it helps the reader see that I am not distorting or changing your works or meanings of them, but merely just commenting as if we are in the same room with everyone else discussing the issue (no tricks allowed).

Your still confusing the issue, because no one is saying or wanting what you say they want (something for nothing), but all people are saying is that they want justice when wrong has been done to them, but you act as if nothing has gone on or that no crimes have been committed over the last 25years looking back upon it all now, when crimes and abuse have been comitted, and it all has been brewing for quite sometime now, it just finally all came to a head....

 

[beagle9]

How does this dum thing dupe us like it does? I was commenting on a post, but when I submitted my comment, it showed up on another post instead of the one I was responding to... Huh?

Talk about the posting making no sense after that....wow

 

[Big Fitz]

I don't think that people are actually saying

Of course not. It's unbelievably evil when you strip away all the disguises and folderol. Thats why they WON'T say it except in what they think is safe environs.

But all redistribution boils down to this simple salient fact. Someone else has something you want, so you take it by means of force through law, threat, fraud or violence. I think you have too much money, I can mug you, blackmail you, cheat you or just get my congressmen to get the IRS to take it from you.

Irrefutable fact of economics. If I have something, and someone takes it from me against my will, it's theft, no matter how you dress it up.

but some theft is more palatable than others.

Define fair. Is fair that everyone is treated equally by the same rules or that they all in the end have the same results? You're a result kinda guy, aren't you?

Fairness test #1:

If I work for someone at an agreed upon price, I should be paid the amount owed me regardless of what it is, according to our agreement. Fair or unfair?

Fairness Test #2:

If someone is financially struggling, regardless of reason, their need justifies them taking wealth from someone who is succeeding and financially stable. Fair or Unfair?

Yes. People who don't earn money are getting it from those who DO earn money with no merit save that they are struggling in life.

So?

Incredibly assumptive that you imply ALL rich or even MOST rich do this. Start finding sources to back this generality. Bernie Madoff and Enron are exceptions, not the rule and they've been punished. Prove that they is a movement afoot to defraud workers. Offshoring is a natural result of our current business laws, because we are a bad market risk for a LOT of business here. This cannot help but change for the better after Obama who has no businessmen in his staff save corporatist Jeffry Immelt. The worst business record since Wilson IIRC.

Capital is mobile in a global economy. I thought you leftists WANTED other nations to prosper. Capital also has little patriotism. What is owed to you and your community from any business? What merit do you have that they 'just can't leave'? I feel like I'm dealing with a Browns Fan in the Modell era.

Who won't close the border again? :::listens for crickets:::

yeah. The liberals are. And they're wrong about that too.

Michelle Malkin » Wonders Never Cease

Am I imagining this fact or making that up also ?

dunno. It's not a world I'd call rational.

You are engaged now in the oldest trick in the book now, where as you are taking everything out of context with these short one liners in which you create from my post, in order to distort hopefully to your readers or followers, exactly what my post did say or the meaning of it was, and then you attempt to make your comments upon my words somehow work for you when emplementing this tactic, and so with these little dibbles and dabbles (one liners that you create out of my works), you then comment on and/or about them, even though they were created by you for a single purpose, that sadly and actually does not allow for your reader to get a full understanding of what exactly is going on here (or) is being said here, and so no one is fooled by this tactic used, ummm I hope you know that.

How about doing what I did with your works, where as by leaving it intact, and then interjecting my questions or comments straight into your works, where as by this, it helps the reader see that I am not distorting or changing your works or meanings of them, but merely just commenting as if we are in the same room with everyone else discussing the issue (no tricks allowed).

Your still confusing the issue, because no one is saying or wanting what you say they want (something for nothing), but all people are saying is that they want justice when wrong has been done to them, but you act as if nothing has gone on or that no crimes have been committed over the last 25years looking back upon it all now, when crimes and abuse have been comitted, and it all has been brewing for quite sometime now, it just finally all came to a head....

Fisking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

get used to it or go back from whence you came. We don't handicap for incapability here.

 

[Sactowndog]

You're not 'screaming', you're whining.

Tax 'em out of the country. Great idea, idiot boy.

You did not answer the question....

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

They should pay whatever rate the government sets. That's kind of the point of government.

The issue, as I see it, is that you can't differentiate between income tax and capital gains. You cannot increase the rate of Capital Gains.... because the US has to remain competitive with other countries, such as the EU.... do you know what the Capital Gains rate is in Europe? Do you know what will happen if you push ours up too high? Are you capable of putting your irrational hatred of others aside long enough to think logically?

Actually I would argue nothing. It doesn't matter where the uber rich live only where they invest. Today they invest globally which could be attracted by lowering the corporate income tax not the capital gains rate

 

[logical4u]

More social transfers? What is that or what does this mean?

The rich need only to be outted and embarassed for what they do, and trust me, before the eyes of their families once outted, they will do better about what they do. The nations wrath and scorn upon them once outted, is enough of a motivator to get them to do better.

The reason they do what they do, is because they are not outted for what they do, otherwise they hide their hand in a sea of buisness dealings and operations, until the government starts getting the huge influx of economic reffugee's layed upon it's door steps to take care of, after the corps or nations companies start to conduct themselves in a manor that is greed driven, short sighted, wrong headed, morally wrong, indecent and in some cases highly illegal. A national grading system could do the job quite well, and would get this nation back on track to doing the right thing. The government need only to look at this through a grading system, along with a bill board campaign, that will show the nation who the scumbags and villans really are, and who the good guy's are in contrast to, but to engineer through social programs, a way to take wealth from all as if they are all guilty, and to give it to another is just plain wrong.

Amusing: the left/libs/progressives/socialists/communists/homosexual activists/environmentalists/islamist extremists (choose one, they all act the same) work for DECADES to eliminate the Lord from society, scream if they see the Ten Commandments posted, and now, NOW that their efforts are coming to fruition, they are crying they don't like the immoral results.....
The irony....

There is nothing more immoral than the Republican Party.

Since the New Deal, Republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue...Medicare, Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, gun policy, campaign finance reform, the environment, and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident. The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the Republican Party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and extremist religious groups.

Why did the Presidency get limited to two terms after Roosevelt? Hint: it was because congress feared he was becoming a DICTATOR.

The original medicare and social security plans were a sham by the gov't pushed on the American people (Social Security was to start at 65, while the average life expectancy was years younger than 65, same for medicare).

JKF went into Vietnam; LBJ escalated it. Nixon got stuck with the mess. (and what political party members were spitting on the soldiers, throwing human feces and urine on them as they returned?)

Civil liberties: the democrats had several members that belonged to the KKK, and actively fought de-segregation.

Church/state separation: this is part of the original Constitution. The left is currently trying to deny Christians the liberty to practice their religion (but that's okay with your crowd)

Equal rights: do you know what Clinton did? are you aware their is a sexual split in the current WH?

Consumer issues: who is forcing citizens to purchase a "product", something that has never been done in this country's history?

Public education: are you speaking of teachers doing kiddie porn in the classroom, the low graduation rate, or the dumbing down of Americans that has all happened under a predominantly democrat controlled dept of education?

Reproductive freedom: murder your babies, you must be so proud.

National health care: take a system that is already regulated, feeds lawyers thru corrupt litigation, and add another layer of bureaucracy; and you want to claim this as an achievement?

Labor issue: protect the teacher that is making kiddie porn films in the classroom, protect the teacher that is a pedophile, protect the teachers, punish the students, again: you must be so proud.

Gun policy: deny citizens their rights?

Campaign finance reform: are you telling me that campaigns are now ... ethical? Do you know who John Edwards is?

The environment: I admit the EPA started out improving some really polluted areas; unfortunately, they are now a political whip to beat those that oppose the dem administrations.

Tax fairness? Haven't the dems been in contol, predominantly, of the congress for over 60 years? If they were sincerely interested in tax "fairness" don't you think the tax code would have been reduced in size, not increased?

And you were saying?

 

[logical4u]

Of course it's the later -- only some of your gain is someone else's loss (on average). I never said othervise.But if that some is 90%, or even 50%, then the results are not much different from that of the zero sum game.

It would lead to more inequality and the question remains -- do you want to live as part of tiny superrich elite surrounded by the poor. Is this what America should become?

And if the answer is "no", then we need more social transfers -- like it is done in most adwanced countries, BTW.

Before this country the "most advanced countries" kept "subjects" in the serf class.

Nobody cares about the "before" -- they have learnt their lesson and now they are doing much better, while America turns into a banana republic.

The middle class is more stagnant, physically too

That is not true. The cause of stagnating incomes is the new technologies that are making the blue collar jobs obsolete.

The modern technology simply does not allow for that many good paying jobs. So unless we have more social transfers, this is going to turn into a banana republic.

In EVERY country where there has been "social transfers" (pure), there has been disinigration or ruin. That is exactly what makes a "banana republic": everyone is poor.

 

[logical4u]

More social transfers? What is that or what does this mean?

The rich need only to be outted and embarassed for what they do, and trust me, before the eyes of their families once outted, they will do better about what they do. The nations wrath and scorn upon them once outted, is enough of a motivator to get them to do better.

The reason they do what they do, is because they are not outted for what they do, otherwise they hide their hand in a sea of buisness dealings and operations, until the government starts getting the huge influx of economic reffugee's layed upon it's door steps to take care of, after the corps or nations companies start to conduct themselves in a manor that is greed driven, short sighted, wrong headed, morally wrong, indecent and in some cases highly illegal. A national grading system could do the job quite well, and would get this nation back on track to doing the right thing. The government need only to look at this through a grading system, along with a bill board campaign, that will show the nation who the scumbags and villans really are, and who the good guy's are in contrast to, but to engineer through social programs, a way to take wealth from all as if they are all guilty, and to give it to another is just plain wrong.

Amusing: the left/libs/progressives/socialists/communists/homosexual activists/environmentalists/islamist extremists (choose one, they all act the same) work for DECADES to eliminate the Lord from society, scream if they see the Ten Commandments posted, and now, NOW that their efforts are coming to fruition, they are crying they don't like the immoral results.....
The irony....

Please! For the rights lying is like breathing. And why would not they -- there is plenty of gullible voters out there.

Evidence?

 

[Liability]

How can the libbies WHINE so endlessly about the rich paying less (percentage wise) than the middle income earners or the poor?

IF you don't like it, libs, then stop demanding a "progressive" income tax that comes with shitloads of loopholes.

Establish a fucking flat tax (starting at whatever level of income is rationally based).

Hell, for that matter, you can even skew the starting point based on number of dependents. Have a blast.

But then, stop fucking around. Go flat.

The rich will then NOT pay less as a percentage of their income than the middle income earners of the "poor." In fact, the less affluent (given the staggered start mentioned above) might pay a whole lot lower percentage.

But once you do that, then stop with all loopholes and other gimmicks. Do away with taxing corporations altogether since that only passes the increased cost along to consumers costing the less affluent to pay even MORE. So just cut the shit.

Are you GAME to put up or shut up, libs?

A flat tax is a tax on the poor.

Are you happy to pay more taxes, so the rich can pay less?

A flat tax is not a tax on the poor. You are either tragically stupid or a worthless pile of dishonest shit.

A flat tax, especially as I have couched it with that staggered start, wouldn't tax the "poor" much of anything (if anything) at all.

Re-posing your original mindless, trite and essentially dishonest "question" doesn't address those facts, either.

Let's say I EARN $1 million in Tax Year 1. You, one of the "poor," make $50,000.

We each support a family of four.

Taxation STARTS only after the first "x" number of dollars of income for the single tax-payer. But it is graduated to account for necessities if you have more dependents. So, let's just use some arbitrary figure. Let's say that for the family of four, taxation doesn't begin until $35,000. And for grins and chuckles -- let's say the flat rate is set at 10%. (Although it might be 20% or higher, the 10% figure illustrates the point just as well.)

My $1 million annual income minus the $35K starting point = $965,000.00 to be taxed. Now, minus the 10% flat tax = $868,500.00 is what I am left with after the staggered start and after paying my flat tax share. Paying $131,500.00 of my $1,000,000.00 income in taxes means my effective tax rate is $13.15%.

Your $50,000.00 annual income minus the $35,000.00 starting point is only $15,000.00 to be taxed. Then, minus the 10% flat tax = $13,500.00 is what you are left with after the staggered start and after paying your flat tax share. Paying $1,500 of your $50,000 income means your effective tax rate is 3%.

In that example (which is the type of taxation I had cited earlier, and the one you then lied about), not only does the rich guy pay more in taxes than the poor guy, but the rich guy also pays at a distinctly higher rate.

A flat tax -- to highlight your dishonesty, Chrissy -- is clearly NOT a tax on the poor.

Try giving honesty a chance someday.

 

[Big Fitz]

Amusing: the left/libs/progressives/socialists/communists/homosexual activists/environmentalists/islamist extremists (choose one, they all act the same) work for DECADES to eliminate the Lord from society, scream if they see the Ten Commandments posted, and now, NOW that their efforts are coming to fruition, they are crying they don't like the immoral results.....
The irony....

There is nothing more immoral than the Republican Party.

Since the New Deal, Republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue...Medicare, Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, gun policy, campaign finance reform, the environment, and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident. The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the Republican Party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and extremist religious groups.

Why did the Presidency get limited to two terms after Roosevelt? Hint: it was because congress feared he was becoming a DICTATOR.

The original medicare and social security plans were a sham by the gov't pushed on the American people (Social Security was to start at 65, while the average life expectancy was years younger than 65, same for medicare).

JKF went into Vietnam; LBJ escalated it. Nixon got stuck with the mess. (and what political party members were spitting on the soldiers, throwing human feces and urine on them as they returned?)

Civil liberties: the democrats had several members that belonged to the KKK, and actively fought de-segregation.

Church/state separation: this is part of the original Constitution. The left is currently trying to deny Christians the liberty to practice their religion (but that's okay with your crowd)

Equal rights: do you know what Clinton did? are you aware their is a sexual split in the current WH?

Consumer issues: who is forcing citizens to purchase a "product", something that has never been done in this country's history?

Public education: are you speaking of teachers doing kiddie porn in the classroom, the low graduation rate, or the dumbing down of Americans that has all happened under a predominantly democrat controlled dept of education?

Reproductive freedom: murder your babies, you must be so proud.

National health care: take a system that is already regulated, feeds lawyers thru corrupt litigation, and add another layer of bureaucracy; and you want to claim this as an achievement?

Labor issue: protect the teacher that is making kiddie porn films in the classroom, protect the teacher that is a pedophile, protect the teachers, punish the students, again: you must be so proud.

Gun policy: deny citizens their rights?

Campaign finance reform: are you telling me that campaigns are now ... ethical? Do you know who John Edwards is?

The environment: I admit the EPA started out improving some really polluted areas; unfortunately, they are now a political whip to beat those that oppose the dem administrations.

Tax fairness? Haven't the dems been in contol, predominantly, of the congress for over 60 years? If they were sincerely interested in tax "fairness" don't you think the tax code would have been reduced in size, not increased?

And you were saying?

PissyChrissy has finally gone screaming off the left end of the scale. So don't be surprised with the audacity of his lies.

 

[The T]

More social transfers? What is that or what does this mean?

The rich need only to be outted and embarassed for what they do, and trust me, before the eyes of their families once outted, they will do better about what they do. The nations wrath and scorn upon them once outted, is enough of a motivator to get them to do better.

The reason they do what they do, is because they are not outted for what they do, otherwise they hide their hand in a sea of buisness dealings and operations, until the government starts getting the huge influx of economic reffugee's layed upon it's door steps to take care of, after the corps or nations companies start to conduct themselves in a manor that is greed driven, short sighted, wrong headed, morally wrong, indecent and in some cases highly illegal. A national grading system could do the job quite well, and would get this nation back on track to doing the right thing. The government need only to look at this through a grading system, along with a bill board campaign, that will show the nation who the scumbags and villans really are, and who the good guy's are in contrast to, but to engineer through social programs, a way to take wealth from all as if they are all guilty, and to give it to another is just plain wrong.

Amusing: the left/libs/progressives/socialists/communists/homosexual activists/environmentalists/islamist extremists (choose one, they all act the same) work for DECADES to eliminate the Lord from society, scream if they see the Ten Commandments posted, and now, NOW that their efforts are coming to fruition, they are crying they don't like the immoral results.....
The irony....

There is nothing more immoral than the Republican Party.

Since the New Deal, Republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue...Medicare, Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, gun policy, campaign finance reform, the environment, and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident. The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the Republican Party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and extremist religious groups.

New Deal Republicans Gracie? Last I checked the New Deal was foisted by FDR a well known Socialist/Statist.

You have your history wrong.

 

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Of course not. It's unbelievably evil when you strip away all the disguises and folderol. Thats why they WON'T say it except in what they think is safe environs.

But all redistribution boils down to this simple salient fact. Someone else has something you want, so you take it by means of force through law, threat, fraud or violence. I think you have too much money, I can mug you, blackmail you, cheat you or just get my congressmen to get the IRS to take it from you.

Irrefutable fact of economics. If I have something, and someone takes it from me against my will, it's theft, no matter how you dress it up.

but some theft is more palatable than others.

Define fair. Is fair that everyone is treated equally by the same rules or that they all in the end have the same results? You're a result kinda guy, aren't you?

Fairness test #1:

If I work for someone at an agreed upon price, I should be paid the amount owed me regardless of what it is, according to our agreement. Fair or unfair?

Answer: If you do what the employer had asked in the agreement, then yes you should be paid whatever the agreement was between you and your employer, in which was agreed upon sure, but where it has gone wrong in the past, and where the fairness ended, is when the employer began implementing tactics that say you didnot deliver on purpose maybe, even if you did deliver (or) once the employer see's what you have gathered up for him, did it next become his wishes to decieve you and/or defraud you, (giving you less than was agreed upon somehow) in order to take the lion share of what you had gathered up for that employer, including some of your agreement pay, thus leaving you of course with a lower sum that you and he had not agreed upon in the beginning, yet he tries to pay you with anyway ? Meanwhile you had delivered so much more than what was expected in the deal, so why wouldn't you be compensated for you extra efforts (i.e. agreed upon pay + bonuses/raises or other), in which you had brought so much more to the table than what the original agreement had called for in the beginning ?

Communism or Socialism etc. does not allow for the tweaking of a contract between employee and the employer on purpose, and this it does mainly for greed reasons, nor does these types of operational methods as to be used, in which is employed by a corporation and/or many companies in America now, allow for the growth of an employee's talents to be recognized anymore on purpose, nor does it complement the employee when that employee excels above and beyond the rest.

This has become a major problem in America, and thus has led to the poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer, because the rich have sold this nation out for greed, silver and gold, and they have done this at the expense of the nation, and it's workers who helped them gain their wealth in the beginning and all during this nations build up. They do this by what is claimed now at every turn, the "Global Competition", in which is showing up always now in the deal, even if it don't actually apply sometimes, yet it still shows up in the conversation or is used as a deal breaker, when it comes to the employee asking for anything better in the contract or deal.

Fairness Test #2:

If someone is financially struggling, regardless of reason, does their need justify them taking wealth from someone who is succeeding and financially stable. Fair or Unfair?

Answer: THis is a loaded question, because you are attempting to mix in problems not related to work (i.e. in your "regardless of reason" speak), that you happily injected as casting confusion into it (or) issuing a stumbling block "hoping" for me to fall over. Now I will say this, if a company had defrauded an employee or had held that employee back for greed reasoning only, while stealing the lion share of the wealth, or had enslaved that employee like it had done with the illegals (loving everything about them being illegal), then Houston we have had a series of problems, that have led to the serious decline of the middle class, thus creating the rich and the poor, having no middle to hold it all together anylonger.

Yes. People who don't earn money are getting it from those who DO earn money with no merit save that they are struggling in life.

So? Answer: Ok, now where did the people come from? Do you actually know why so many are struggling, or is it easy for you to just throw them all into the same pot together (like companies love to do these days with their employee's), as so to protect the corps gross profits and their cronies in government in which hold them up, who have also been tied to all of this mess just as well ? Yes there are some who don't deserve what they are asking for, and yes they are career schemers who want to live off of government for ever, and not work or do the right things to help out, but they are fast being replaced by those who are not like this, thus the landscape is changing quickly, upon who is in the government cheeze lines these days, verses the old status quoe that ocuppied those lines in the past.

Incredibly assumptive that you imply ALL rich or even MOST rich do this. Start finding sources to back this generality. Bernie Madoff and Enron are exceptions, not the rule and they've been punished. Prove that they is a movement afoot to defraud workers. (Answer one) - How about Millions of illegals that were working construction, maufacturing, the service industry, and etc, while the government was subsidizing it all for the rich while it was all going on?

Offshoring is a natural result of our current business laws, because we are a bad market risk for a LOT of business here. This cannot help but change for the better after Obama who has no businessmen in his staff save corporatist Jeffry Immelt. The worst business record since Wilson IIRC.

Capital is mobile in a global economy. I thought you leftists WANTED other nations to prosper. Capital also has little patriotism. What is owed to you and your community from any business? What merit do you have that they 'just can't leave'? I feel like I'm dealing with a Browns Fan in the Modell era.

Who won't close the border again? :::listens for crickets:::

yeah. The liberals are. And they're wrong about that too.

Michelle Malkin » Wonders Never Cease

dunno. It's not a world I'd call rational.

See above for my answers!