A question for the pro-abortion aka pro-choice crowd

[LaterTrader]

Lol..you're an idiot.
Thanks for verifying that, at least.

I see you cannot be bothered to read and learn real facts. Only insults. I have a way of dealing with people like you. Go to "MYIPADDRESSCAPTURED.COM" and see your name, address, phone number, and driver's license picture, (if you drive), displayed for the world to see, together with 30 of your latest insulting comments.

I do this as a public service. I also send your neighbors snail mail with your picture, your phone, and your address. Just in case you think posting here and insulting people anonymously gets you free rights to insult people. Oh, and if you have children, don't expect them to get away without a bit if ridicule in their school. We have a way of dealing with ugly people in the world. It's not pretty.

 

[Valerie]

 

[logical4u]

I can not beileve teen age girls still get pregnant in the numbers they do. Birth control is laying around on almost every street coner in the US. We should be teaching young men and women about responsibilty for their own actions not making it easier for them to get abortions.

So I would say that yes abortion is a convience for most women who have them. And yes I oppose abortion but have no problem giving out bithcontrol to teenagers.

As soon as you start talking personal responsibility, some lefty wacko declares you are trying to bring religion into the classroom. The people that care are silenced, while the people that don't care and promote abortion run around, sue happy for anyone that disagrees with them.

 

[jillian]

I can not beileve teen age girls still get pregnant in the numbers they do. Birth control is laying around on almost every street coner in the US. We should be teaching young men and women about responsibilty for their own actions not making it easier for them to get abortions.

So I would say that yes abortion is a convience for most women who have them. And yes I oppose abortion but have no problem giving out bithcontrol to teenagers.

As soon as you start talking personal responsibility, some lefty wacko declares you are trying to bring religion into the classroom. The people that care are silenced, while the people that don't care and promote abortion run around, sue happy for anyone that disagrees with them.

i think you should worry about your own religious decisions and stay out of women's uteruses.

 

[logical4u]

I can not beileve teen age girls still get pregnant in the numbers they do. Birth control is laying around on almost every street coner in the US. We should be teaching young men and women about responsibilty for their own actions not making it easier for them to get abortions.

So I would say that yes abortion is a convience for most women who have them. And yes I oppose abortion but have no problem giving out bithcontrol to teenagers.

This makes too much sense for most people (on both sides of the issue). I'm against abortion, except in cases where the mother's life is in immediate danger, or when the baby will die shortly after birth.

It never ceases to blow my mind that many other people who're pro-life, are anti-birth control/condoms, etc. The more occasions safe sex is practiced among those who don't want a baby yet-the fewer abortions there are. It really is that simple.

For the record: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SAFE SEX. Every time you have sex with a person, you are exposing your body and your immune system to anything that person might have. You can use condoms, but it does not protect you from STDs like genital warts, aids, or herpes, among others. What is wrong with teaching children that their sexuality is a gift, and it should only be shared with the right person, at the right time, under the right circumstances (after school is not the right time, a person that you don't intend to build a life with is not the right person, and a restroom is definitely not the right place)? Why not teach children that sex should wait until they are emotionally and physically, mature (less people would be shot in jealous rages)? If children are taught to discipline themselves when it comes to eating, studying, and exercise, why not teach them that it is perfectly acceptable to discipline themselves when it comes to sex?

 

[logical4u]

Not hardly, I have 5 children.

So - you'd cheat on your wife?

My wife died giving birth 20 years ago. And no I never cheated on her.

I am sorry for your loss. I hope your children, still, bring you joy!

 

[logical4u]

LOL!!!

And he never spoke out against homosexuality, and you use the Old Testament as an excuse to be a homophobe.

Try being consistent.

This is clearly stated: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. (Leviticus 18:22) Moreover, it is also clear that the Law prescribes death for this abominable sin: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (Leviticus 20:13) There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. (Deuteronomy 23:17)

In Romans 1 homosexuality is presented as the end of the road. It is the lowest level of human depravity: 21 because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: 25 for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due. (Romans 1:21-27)

But those are not the Lords words, are they?

The Lord labeled sinful behaviors: lewdness, perversity, immoral sex, along with murder and other sins.

 

[logical4u]

The Lord never does, in your last post you pretended that was important, is it not important now?

Believe as you wish.

The Lord never speaks about homosexuality or abortion.

The Old Testament speaks against homosexuality and for abortion.

So which principle are you sticking to? The first one or the second one?

Nothing?

 

[logical4u]

So you want to call a spade a spade? Why don't anti-abortion folks call themselves anti-choice? I'm with Neal Boortz on this when he says, "have you ever noticed that the people who scream the loudest about abortion are men who will never be faced with making the choice?" I understand that you are a "social conservative" and as such, you desire to control society based on your personal beliefs, wants and desires just like the socialist liberals. You just have a different social agenda to legislate. As a conservative (non-social), I don't consider it any of my business to tell people how to live their lives for them. I have a feeling that you'd throw a piss fit if abolitionist raised their ugly heads again and tried to take away your Lonestar beer or if the gun control crowd tried to take away your guns, wouldn't you? If you don't want them sticking their noses in your business, shouldn't you keep yours out of theirs? It's really the conservative thing to do.

Tell me what choice is given to the unborn child? What choice is given to the father of an aborted child?

I would never be faced with that choice because I would never procreate with a woman that would kill an unborn child.

It's nice to know you care so much for an unborn child. So much so that you would stand by and let it's life be snuffed out. And why? Because it's none of your business. You have no problem minding though huh?

None, it hasn't been born. The choice of the father is between he and the woman if he even knows about it.

So, before you've ever had sex with a woman, you've always checked her abortion stance first just on the chance you might father a child? Really? I would think that would prevent you from getting laid more than it would getting you laid. I don't know, maybe your experience has been different.

I do care for children, even the unborn. But you see, I've never been pregnant and I've never had to consider my circumstances and whether I could care for that child or not in the manner it should be cared for. As far as standing by and letting it's life be snufed out......how many abortions are you aware of? Do you stand outside clinics and confront women? I'm sure I've known a good number of women who have had abortions, but they never really bothered to consult me ahead of time or share it with me afterwards. It's pretty much an agonzing personal decision a woman makes unbeknownst to anyone else. How exactly am I supposed to "make it my business".

Look, the Bible says you shouldn't spill your "seed" on the ground, but I'm not going to get in your way when you want to jerk off. It's your business, not mine or the governments. That's the conservative view. Please don't screw up our chances at replacing Obama with a conservative by insisting on electing a social "conservative" who wants to legislate morality.

That particular story was about a man that had a "family duty" to his brother's widow, that he married. Rather than fullfill his vowel, he went into the desert, and mastrabated so he would not/could not have married relations with his wife. Because of his behavior, the Lord struck him down. It does not pertain to all "spilling of seed", otherwise wet dreams would be sinful.

 

[logical4u]

Yes, he does.

Why do you think Sodom & Gomorrah was leveled?

Because they were inhospitable. Research it.

Stand to Reason: What was the Sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Of what sexual preference were the "inhospitable"?

 

[logical4u]

Why do women abort their babies?

I understand there may be an ample number of reasons,.........

Yes, there are an AMPLE number of reasons.....none of which is any of your business.

I would ask the counter question to your question.........


why do you insist upon denying American citizens their rights to privacy, their rights to their own religious beliefs, and denying them their own private health and welfare concerns, as well as their own ability to make informed decisions that will help them make the best choices for their own lives? Are you and your fellow believers just despots who want to control other people?

If you want to be a busy-body, sticking your nose into every other woman's vagina and womb, and insisting upon total ownership of that womb, according to your own, personal religious beliefs, then find a country to live in where you can be king or queen.
We don't do that here in the USA. Nor should any citizen ever inflict their emotionally-charged, personal beliefs upon another human being here!

Isn't "pro-choice" emotionally-charged, personal beliefs? There is no evidence that life in the womb of a woman can develop to anything other than a child. Ending that life is MURDERING a child as a very early stage of development.

That said, I don't believe that there should be a law against it. The law against "abortion" would be wide open for abuse, and not easy to enforce. We should not lie to mothers and tell them that they are not MURDERING their child, because when it finally hits home, it can be devastating to that person. Also abortion can increase the risks of some types of cancer, there should be a disclaimer, similar to what is required by law for other surgeries. Instead, the deceivers are there, telling a scared, mostly immature kid that she is not MURDERING a child, it is just cells like cancer or something, no big deal, those cells are not "really" alive (then why are they growing????). Just sayin' .....

 

[logical4u]

Yes, there are an AMPLE number of reasons.....none of which is any of your business.

I would ask the counter question to your question.........


why do you insist upon denying American citizens their rights to privacy, their rights to their own religious beliefs, and denying them their own private health and welfare concerns, as well as their own ability to make informed decisions that will help them make the best choices for their own lives? Are you and your fellow believers just despots who want to control other people?

If you want to be a busy-body, sticking your nose into every other woman's vagina and womb, and insisting upon total ownership of that womb, according to your own, personal religiour beliefs, then find a country to live in where you can be king or queen.
We don't do that here in the USA. Nor should any citizen ever inflict their emotionally-charged, personal beliefs upon another human being here!

We get to tell them at the point that the child inside them becomes compatible with life. I have serious issues with any abortion beyond first trimester and for good reason...babies are viable after 20 weeks...before then by 16 weeks they are only growing and nothing more...your choice has limits...the limit at which it impedes on the choice of another human being...so if you want choice FINE no problem with that...have 20 abortions if you think that is cool..but make sure you make that choice within 10 weeks because that is more than enough time, especially with the abortion pill.

You don't get to TELL them anything! You get to lecture. The life of the woman is ALWAYS paramount. Simply because medical science has advanced to allow for a child to be delivered from a womb earlier than 28 weeks and survive does not give anyone any right to pry into the life of that woman.

You don't get to tell any man on the street who he can and cannot sleep with tonight. Same goes for the process of pregnancy. And, as a man, I'm not planning on any abortions in my lifetime. So you have all you want, and think of me when you have them. As the old saying goes, if you're against abortion, just don't have one. That's all the power you get in your lifetime, not the power to control another human being's body.

Now, being rational for a moment, (instead of hysterical at your desires to control other women's bodies), VERY TRUE, at a certain moment in time, a child becomes viable outside the womb, be that 22 weeks, or 33 weeks, all dependent upon the child, the mother's nutrition, the mother's overall health, etc. Fetuses in poor villages in Africa and some parts of China are routinely spontaneously aborted by the mother's body at 30 weeks, and the child stands no chance of survival ex utero. In a relatively advanced medical society like western Europe and North America, we know that 99% of fetuses at 28 weeks CAN AND DO survive ex-utero, with proper medical intervention, (incubators, etc etc. at a cost of $thousands a day for several weeks). So, if you wish, rational legislators will impose reasonable decision times, 15 weeks, 20 weeks, 24 weeks. No fetus is EVER "viable" at 15 weeks, given current technology. 15 weeks, about 3.5 months, a reasonable time for decision-making for adults, not maybe as reasonable for teen mothers who hide the pregnancy from their family and friends. So let's all agree, some reasonable time, 20 weeks, 24 weeks, whatever we agree upon. That is the time a mother has to make the decision and the commitment, (a life-long commitment)!

But for the anti-abortion advocates, those who INSIST upon the child being born, no matter WHO impregnated the mother, relative, father, uncle, rapist, one-night-stand...for those of you who insist upon maintaining control of that woman's womb, know this, you should not, and you do not!

Won't the "gov't" be keeping medical records under Obamacare? Doesn't that mean those records will be publicized, occassionally (thru computer theft/hackers)?

Don't we tell adults that they are NOT ALLOWED to have sex with children, or animals?

So you agree, a life growing in the womb IS A CHILD!

There is evidence that women that are raped, recover quicker if they have the child.

If a woman wants to MURDER her child, there is nothing the law can do to stop it. Let's not pretend that it is not MURDER, and that more children have been aborted/killed in this country than people were murdered by the communist regimes, combined, millions and millions of children, gone, murdered.

 

[Moonglow]

Tell me what choice is given to the unborn child? What choice is given to the father of an aborted child?

I would never be faced with that choice because I would never procreate with a woman that would kill an unborn child.

It's nice to know you care so much for an unborn child. So much so that you would stand by and let it's life be snuffed out. And why? Because it's none of your business. You have no problem minding though huh?

None, it hasn't been born. The choice of the father is between he and the woman if he even knows about it.

So, before you've ever had sex with a woman, you've always checked her abortion stance first just on the chance you might father a child? Really? I would think that would prevent you from getting laid more than it would getting you laid. I don't know, maybe your experience has been different.

I do care for children, even the unborn. But you see, I've never been pregnant and I've never had to consider my circumstances and whether I could care for that child or not in the manner it should be cared for. As far as standing by and letting it's life be snufed out......how many abortions are you aware of? Do you stand outside clinics and confront women? I'm sure I've known a good number of women who have had abortions, but they never really bothered to consult me ahead of time or share it with me afterwards. It's pretty much an agonzing personal decision a woman makes unbeknownst to anyone else. How exactly am I supposed to "make it my business".

Look, the Bible says you shouldn't spill your "seed" on the ground, but I'm not going to get in your way when you want to jerk off. It's your business, not mine or the governments. That's the conservative view. Please don't screw up our chances at replacing Obama with a conservative by insisting on electing a social "conservative" who wants to legislate morality.

That particular story was about a man that had a "family duty" to his brother's widow, that he married. Rather than fullfill his vowel, he went into the desert, and mastrabated so he would not/could not have married relations with his wife. Because of his behavior, the Lord struck him down. It does not pertain to all "spilling of seed", otherwise wet dreams would be sinful.

But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so the LORD put him to death.

8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” 9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so the LORD put him to death also.

Genesis 38:7-11,Numbers 36:6-9,Deuteronomy 25:5-10,Ruth 3:1-8,Ruth 4:7-22 NIV - But Er, Judahs firstborn, was wicked in - Bible Gateway

This passage describes how Tamar's first husband Er was killed by God because he was wicked. Under ancient Jewish tradition, Er's brother Onan was required to marry and engage in sexual intercourse with Tamar. Widows were not asked whether they wanted to remarry. In many cases, the woman would have experienced the sexual activity as a form of rape -- something required by tribal tradition which they had to endure. Similarly, nobody consulted the widow's brother-in-law about his wishes in the matter.

oh yeyah!

http://www.religioustolerance.org/masturba3.htm

 

[Moonglow]

Yes, he does.

Why do you think Sodom & Gomorrah was leveled?

Because they were inhospitable. Research it.

Stand to Reason: What was the Sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Of what sexual preference were the "inhospitable"?

all kinds

 

[LaterTrader]

Won't the "gov't" be keeping medical records under Obamacare? Doesn't that mean those records will be publicized, occassionally (thru computer theft/hackers)?

Don't we tell adults that they are NOT ALLOWED to have sex with children, or animals?

So you agree, a life growing in the womb IS A CHILD!

There is evidence that women that are raped, recover quicker if they have the child.

If a woman wants to MURDER her child, there is nothing the law can do to stop it. Let's not pretend that it is not MURDER, and that more children have been aborted/killed in this country than people were murdered by the communist regimes, combined, millions and millions of children, gone, murdered.

TRY, just TRY to come out from under your 2008 rock!

I know it's hard, I know you want Obama to be the Anti-Christ, I know you hate people with dark skin controlling your white skin life.

TRY to come out from under your racist, sexist, male dominant, rapist fantasy, paranoid mind.

Face it, the only woman you ever had sex with was your wife, and you imagined all those rapes you are fearful of being convicted of now.

You want to MURDER your wife now, after 3 or 4 kids, and you MUST find a way to justify it, by making 14 year olds carry a child to term because they were raped as you wish you could have done to those girls. Admit it, you're a pervert who wants more kids from your sacred sperm

 

[Moonglow]

We get to tell them at the point that the child inside them becomes compatible with life. I have serious issues with any abortion beyond first trimester and for good reason...babies are viable after 20 weeks...before then by 16 weeks they are only growing and nothing more...your choice has limits...the limit at which it impedes on the choice of another human being...so if you want choice FINE no problem with that...have 20 abortions if you think that is cool..but make sure you make that choice within 10 weeks because that is more than enough time, especially with the abortion pill.

You don't get to TELL them anything! You get to lecture. The life of the woman is ALWAYS paramount. Simply because medical science has advanced to allow for a child to be delivered from a womb earlier than 28 weeks and survive does not give anyone any right to pry into the life of that woman.

You don't get to tell any man on the street who he can and cannot sleep with tonight. Same goes for the process of pregnancy. And, as a man, I'm not planning on any abortions in my lifetime. So you have all you want, and think of me when you have them. As the old saying goes, if you're against abortion, just don't have one. That's all the power you get in your lifetime, not the power to control another human being's body.

Now, being rational for a moment, (instead of hysterical at your desires to control other women's bodies), VERY TRUE, at a certain moment in time, a child becomes viable outside the womb, be that 22 weeks, or 33 weeks, all dependent upon the child, the mother's nutrition, the mother's overall health, etc. Fetuses in poor villages in Africa and some parts of China are routinely spontaneously aborted by the mother's body at 30 weeks, and the child stands no chance of survival ex utero. In a relatively advanced medical society like western Europe and North America, we know that 99% of fetuses at 28 weeks CAN AND DO survive ex-utero, with proper medical intervention, (incubators, etc etc. at a cost of $thousands a day for several weeks). So, if you wish, rational legislators will impose reasonable decision times, 15 weeks, 20 weeks, 24 weeks. No fetus is EVER "viable" at 15 weeks, given current technology. 15 weeks, about 3.5 months, a reasonable time for decision-making for adults, not maybe as reasonable for teen mothers who hide the pregnancy from their family and friends. So let's all agree, some reasonable time, 20 weeks, 24 weeks, whatever we agree upon. That is the time a mother has to make the decision and the commitment, (a life-long commitment)!

But for the anti-abortion advocates, those who INSIST upon the child being born, no matter WHO impregnated the mother, relative, father, uncle, rapist, one-night-stand...for those of you who insist upon maintaining control of that woman's womb, know this, you should not, and you do not!

Won't the "gov't" be keeping medical records under Obamacare? Doesn't that mean those records will be publicized, occassionally (thru computer theft/hackers)?

Don't we tell adults that they are NOT ALLOWED to have sex with children, or animals?

So you agree, a life growing in the womb IS A CHILD!

There is evidence that women that are raped, recover quicker if they have the child.

If a woman wants to MURDER her child, there is nothing the law can do to stop it. Let's not pretend that it is not MURDER, and that more children have been aborted/killed in this country than people were murdered by the communist regimes, combined, millions and millions of children, gone, murdered.

all medical records are private

 

[Moonglow]

Won't the "gov't" be keeping medical records under Obamacare? Doesn't that mean those records will be publicized, occassionally (thru computer theft/hackers)?

Don't we tell adults that they are NOT ALLOWED to have sex with children, or animals?

So you agree, a life growing in the womb IS A CHILD!

There is evidence that women that are raped, recover quicker if they have the child.

If a woman wants to MURDER her child, there is nothing the law can do to stop it. Let's not pretend that it is not MURDER, and that more children have been aborted/killed in this country than people were murdered by the communist regimes, combined, millions and millions of children, gone, murdered.

TRY, just TRY to come out from under your 2008 rock!

I know it's hard, I know you want Obama to be the Anti-Christ, I know you hate people with dark skin controlling your white skin life.

TRY to come out from under your racist, sexist, male dominant, rapist fantasy, paranoid mind.

Face it, the only woman you ever had sex with was your wife, and you imagined all those rapes you are fearful of being convicted of now.

according to Jesus even he thought of having sex with another is a sin

 

[logical4u]

Because they were inhospitable. Research it.

Stand to Reason: What was the Sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Of what sexual preference were the "inhospitable"?

all kinds

What did the "inhospitiable" say to Lot's visitors? Be honest.

 

[Moonglow]

Of what sexual preference were the "inhospitable"?

all kinds

What did the "inhospitiable" say to Lot's visitors? Be honest.

That night, after supper, just before bedtime, the men of the city rallied up around Lot’s house demanding to "know" their guests which means either to have same-sex intercourse or to interogate them to find out who they are

Both Christians and Muslims revere Lot as a righteous man of God.[2] The Biblical stories of drunkenness and incest attributed to Lot are absent in the Qur'an, being rejected by Muslims – Lot is venerated as a Prophet of Islam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot_(biblical_person)

 

[logical4u]

Won't the "gov't" be keeping medical records under Obamacare? Doesn't that mean those records will be publicized, occassionally (thru computer theft/hackers)?

Don't we tell adults that they are NOT ALLOWED to have sex with children, or animals?

So you agree, a life growing in the womb IS A CHILD!

There is evidence that women that are raped, recover quicker if they have the child.

If a woman wants to MURDER her child, there is nothing the law can do to stop it. Let's not pretend that it is not MURDER, and that more children have been aborted/killed in this country than people were murdered by the communist regimes, combined, millions and millions of children, gone, murdered.

TRY, just TRY to come out from under your 2008 rock!

I know it's hard, I know you want Obama to be the Anti-Christ, I know you hate people with dark skin controlling your white skin life.

TRY to come out from under your racist, sexist, male dominant, rapist fantasy, paranoid mind.

Face it, the only woman you ever had sex with was your wife, and you imagined all those rapes you are fearful of being convicted of now.

You want to MURDER your wife now, after 3 or 4 kids, and you MUST find a way to justify it, by making 14 year olds carry a child to term because they were raped as you wish you could have done to those girls. Admit it, you're a pervert who wants more kids from your sacred sperm

Anger issues, tantrums and irrationality, ohhh my!

Weren't you just telling us all to stay out of other's business?

Are you saying that because Obama is black that he has the "right" to "control" whiteys' lives? What does this have to do with Obama?????? I just said that "his" plan would open our medical records to all those gov't drones, and the people that steal their computers, and the people that hack their computers, and the politicians that want to release dirt on their enemies.
That is not racial, little boy.
That is not sexist, tantrum thrower.
That is not male dominant, weiner (feminine version of DICK).
That is not rapist fantasy, poop pedaler.
That is not paranoid, historically ignorant.

I have no sperm. Don't you feel like an absolute, dumbass, now?


By the way, you didn't answer the questions.