Abortion is murder.

[Blues Man]

no the law had to exist before we could punish a person for doing it,,, the unlawful part of the definition is a modern addition,, go back far enough and you wont find it,,

you cant make a law against something that doesnt exist,,

you said hitler didnt murder jews because you didnt know what the laws were there,, but you have shown how murder was determined centuries before hitler even existed,, so that should show you that murdere existed but they just didnt have laws against doing it to jews,,,

OK link to the definition of murder that doesn't have the word unlawful or its equivalent in it.

 

[progressive hunter]

OK link to the definition of murder that doesn't have the word unlawful or its equivalent in it.

dont need to,,

youve already explained in detail how people decided what types of killings constitute murder and how they then made laws against doing it,,

youre just to brain dead to accept your own words,,

 

[Blues Man]

dont need to,,

youve already explained in detail how people decided what types of killings constitute murder and how they then made laws against doing it,,

youre just to brain dead to accept your own words,,

You made a claim that murder was not always unlawful and I am asking to prove your claim.

You just told me if I look back far enough I can find it which implies that you already found a definition that proves your claim so please link to that definition.

 

[progressive hunter]

You made a claim that murder was not always unlawful and I am asking to prove your claim.

You just told me if I look back far enough I can find it which implies that you already found a definition that proves your claim so please link to that definition.

I made a claim that you cant make something illegal that doesnt exist,,

and you have detailed several accounts that prove that correct,, people decide that that type of killing was wrong and made laws against doing it to punish the offending party,,

your own words prove me right,,

 

[Libby von H]

Murder is a legal term that has specific meanings.

Abortion does not meet those.

actually it does and did

The Constitution Already Prohibits Abortion: An Originalist Case for Prenatal Personhood

Justice Antonin Scalia, an originalist, famously held that the Constitution neither permits nor prohibits abortion. On the contrary, unborn babies are “persons” within the original public meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment, and they are consequently owed due process and equal protection on constitu

www.thepublicdiscourse.com

"By the time the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified in 1868, the states widely recognized unborn children as persons. Twenty-three states and six territories referred to the fetus as a “child” in their anti-abortion statutes. Twenty-eight labeled abortion as an “offense[] against the person” or a functionally equivalent classification. Most strikingly, the same Ohio legislature that ratified the Fourteenth Amendment in January 1867 passed legislation criminalizing abortion at all stages in April. The committee that reviewed the bill, which was composed of several Senators who had voted for ratification of the amendment, declared in their report that abortion “at any stage of existence” is “child-murder.”

 

[denmark]

Abortion is murder. The mass genocide of the unborn. It is not birth control. Just plain murder of the unborn.!!? your thoughts.?

My thoughts?
Abortion is a PRIVATE matter. It is not “murder”, which applies legally & ethically to a BORN-alive PERSON. Or, are you imposing YOUR religion on others?

If you are so concerned about UNborn “beings”, why are you not concerned about all the suffering BORN beings in this world? Or are you?
You only have so much money & energy, so try to help some of the BILLIONS of poor, exploited, unhealthy children, women & men in USA as well as the other 180+ countries!
Leave the very sensitive & PRIVATE family matters to those who don’t need your help, and focus on those BILLIONS who really need your assistance.

 

[progressive hunter]

My thoughts?
Abortion is a PRIVATE matter. It is not “murder”, which applies legally & ethically to a BORN-alive PERSON. Or, are you imposing YOUR religion on others?

If you are so concerned about UNborn “beings”, why are you not concerned about all the suffering BORN beings in this world? Or are you?
You only have so much money & energy, so try to help some of the BILLIONS of poor, exploited, unhealthy children, women & men in USA as well as the other 180+ countries!
Leave the very sensitive & PRIVATE family matters to those who don’t need your help, and focus on those BILLIONS who really need your assistance.

no it doesnt,,

its a human life both in and outside the womb,,

you may tell yourself that to releave yourself of any guilt for supporting the murder of innocent children,, but it is still murder,,,


we can be concerned about both born and unborn without being a sick fucking piece of shit trying to justify killing children,,

 

[ChemEngineer]

My thoughts?
Abortion is a PRIVATE matter. It is not “murder”, which applies legally & ethically to a BORN-alive PERSON. Or, are you imposing YOUR religion on others?

If you are so concerned about UNborn “beings”, why are you not concerned about all the suffering BORN beings in this world? Or are you?
You only have so much money & energy, so try to help some of the BILLIONS of poor, exploited, unhealthy children, women & men in USA as well as the other 180+ countries!
Leave the very sensitive & PRIVATE family matters to those who don’t need your help, and focus on those BILLIONS who really need your assistance.

You are a sickening hypocrite. Conservatives give much more money, time, and blood to everyone than liberals do. This was documented in Who Really Cares by Professor Arthur C. Brooks.
Is it "PRIVATE" when a man murders his wife, or ten-year-old child? You bring up something entirely irrelevant, giving welfare support to the poor, to justify your murderous evil.

Many men are in prison for murdering unborn babies, but no women. This is the law unequally applied, based on the sex of the murderer.

 

[XponentialChaos]

The voters have spoken on where they stand regarding this issue.

 

[progressive hunter]

The voters have spoken on where they stand regarding this issue.

all that means is they are a bunch of proud baby killers,,

I dont think thats something to be proud of,,

 

[XponentialChaos]

all that means is they are a bunch of proud baby killers,,

I dont think thats something to be proud of,,

Neat. Keep going with that. See how far that gets you.

 

[progressive hunter]

Neat. Keep going with that. See how far that gets you.

I dont care how far it gets me,,

just stating facts,,

 

[XponentialChaos]

I dont care how far it gets me,,

just stating facts,,

So you’re fine with losing a bunch of elections over this.

Awesome. Keep up the good work.

 

[progressive hunter]

So you’re fine with losing a bunch of elections over this.

Awesome. Keep up the good work.

I've lost every election since 1990 when I started voting,, this changes nothing,,

why are you so proud that you people get to murder unborn children??

 

[XponentialChaos]

I've lost every election since 1990 when I started voting,, this changes nothing,,

So you’re used to losing and you don’t mind it.

That’s good.

 

[progressive hunter]

So you’re used to losing and you don’t mind it.

That’s good.

where did I say I was OK with it??
but youve made it clear youre happy that you people get to murder innocent children,,

 

[XponentialChaos]

where did I say I was OK with it??

You’re not ok with losing?

Well that sucks for you then. Because the voters have already spoken on this.

 

[progressive hunter]

You’re not ok with losing?

Well that sucks for you then. Because the voters have already spoken on this.

spoken to the issue that they get to murder unborn children,,

not something to be proud of,

 

[XponentialChaos]

spoken to the issue that they get to murder unborn children,,

not something to be proud of,

I suppose you’re proud of constantly losing?

 

[progressive hunter]

I suppose you’re proud of constantly losing?

what makes you think that??

youve made it clear youre proud that babies can still be murdered by their mothers,,