Abortion is murder

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"Lord, protect us from your followers".

 

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"Lord, protect us from your followers".

Amen

 

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And for the second time those are opinions of folks who can be countered by scores of others.

No Jake. It is proven through DNA. And it cannot be countered by anyone. How are they going to counter DNA. Why don't you start parading your scores of others? I'm all ears.

I should have known that when you were presented with evidence that human life begins at conception, you would do this.

 

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And for the second time those are opinions of folks who can be countered by scores of others.

Ok, Jake, where are your experts who claim that a new human being is not created at conception.

“The life cycle of mammals begins when a sperm enters an egg.” Okada et al., A role for the elongator complex in zygotic paternal genome demethylation, NATURE 463:554 (Jan. 28, 2010)

“Fertilization is the process by which male and female haploid gametes (sperm and egg) unite to produce a genetically distinct individual.” Signorelli et al., Kinases, phosphatases and proteases during sperm capacitation, CELL TISSUE RES. 349(3):765 (Mar. 20, 2012)

“The oviduct or Fallopian tube is the anatomical region where every new life begins in mammalian species. After a long journey, the spermatozoa meet the oocyte in the specific site of the oviduct named ampulla, and fertilization takes place.” Coy et al., Roles of the oviduct in mammalian fertilization, REPRODUCTION 144(6):649 (Oct. 1, 2012)

“Fertilization – the fusion of gametes to produce a new organism – is the culmination of a multitude of intricately regulated cellular processes.” Marcello et al., Fertilization, ADV. EXP. BIOL. 757:321 (2013)

 

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And for the second time those are opinions of folks who can be countered by scores of others.

Ok, Jake, where are your experts who claim that a new human being is not created at conception. Here are mine.

National Institutes of Health, Medline Plus Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary (2013), http://www.merriamwebster.com/medlineplus/fertilization

The government’s own definition attests to the fact that life begins at fertilization. According to the National Institutes of Health, “fertilization” is the process of union of two gametes (i.e., ovum and sperm) “whereby the somatic chromosome number is restored and the development of a new individual is initiated.” Steven Ertelt”Undisputed Scientific Fact: Human Life Begins at Conception, or Fertilization” LifeNews.com 11/18/13

“Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”
Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs, the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.” Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974.

 

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And for the second time those are opinions of folks who can be countered by scores of others.

Ok, Jake, where are your experts who claim that a new human being is not created at conception. Here are mine.

An embryology textbook describes how birth is just an event in the development of a baby, not the beginning of his/her life. “It should always be remembered that many organs are still not completely developed by full-term and birth should be regarded only as an incident in the whole developmental process.” F Beck Human Embryology, Blackwell Scientific Publications, 1985 page vi

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a sperm and the resulting mingling of nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the initiation of the life of a new individual.” Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

“Although it is customary to divide human development into prenatal and postnatal periods, it is important to realize that birth is merely a dramatic event during development resulting in a change in environment.” The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology fifth edition, Moore and Persaud, 1993, Saunders Company, page 1

 

[JakeStarkey]

And for the second time those are opinions of folks who can be countered by scores of others.

No Jake. It is proven through DNA. And it cannot be countered by anyone. How are they going to counter DNA. Why don't you start parading your scores of others? I'm all ears.

I should have known that when you were presented with evidence that human life begins at conception, you would do this.

Yes, ding, the premise can be rejected by evidence. Your terms are specified in law, and your insistence changes nothing.

 

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And for the second time those are opinions of folks who can be countered by scores of others.

Ok, Jake, where are your experts who claim that a new human being is not created at conception. Here are mine.

“Your baby starts out as a fertilized egg… For the first six weeks, the baby is called an embryo.” Prenatal Care, US Department Of Health And Human Services, Maternal and Child Health Division, 1990

“Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., P.h.D. was first scientist to succeed at in vitro fertilization: “The zygote is human life….there is one fact that no one can deny; Human beings begin at conception.”

Zygote is a term for a newly conceived life after the sperm and the egg cell meet but before the embryo begins to divide. From Landrum B. Shettles “Rites of Life: The Scientific Evidence for Life Before Birth” Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1983 p 40

The medical textbook, Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects, states: “The zygote and early embryo are living human organisms.” Keith L. Moore & T.V.N. Persaud Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects (W.B. Saunders Company, 1998. Fifth edition.) Page 500

 

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Yes, ding, the premise can be rejected by evidence. Your terms are specified in law, and your insistence changes nothing.

Where is that evidence, Jake?

 

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And for the second time those are opinions of folks who can be countered by scores of others.

Ok, Jake, where are your experts who claim that a new human being is not created at conception. Here are mine.

“Thus a new cell is formed from the union of a male and a female gamete. [sperm and egg cells] The cell, referred to as the zygote, contains a new combination of genetic material, resulting in an individual different from either parent and from anyone else in the world.” Sally B Olds, et al., Obstetric Nursing (Menlo Park, California: Addison – Wesley publishing, 1980) P 136 Quoted in Eric Pastuszek. Is the Fetus Human? (Rockford, Illinois: Tan books And Publishers Inc., 1991)

“The term conception refers to the union of the male and female pronuclear elements of procreation from which a new living being develops. It is synonymous with the terms fecundation, impregnation, and fertilization … The zygote thus formed represents the beginning of a new life.” J.P. Greenhill and E.A. Freidman. Biological Principles and Modern Practice of Obstetrics. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Publishers. 1974 Pages 17 and 23.

T.W. Sadler, Langman’s Medical Embryology, 10th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, 2006. p. 11. “[Human] Development begins with fertilization, the process by which the male gamete, the sperm, and the femal gamete, the oocyte, unite to give rise to a zygote.”

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ah, you are hard core French style Catholic, ding. You feelz. OK.

 

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Yes, ding, the premise can be rejected by evidence. Your terms are specified in law, and your insistence changes nothing.

Where is that evidence, Jake?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, ding, the premise can be rejected by evidence. Your terms are specified in law, and your insistence changes nothing.

Where is that evidence, Jake?

It has been given elsewhere on the Board many, many times.

Just be happy the Curia is not the legislature of the USA.

 

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And for the second time those are opinions of folks who can be countered by scores of others.

Ok, Jake, where are your experts who claim that a new human being is not created at conception. Here are mine.

Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2. “[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being.”

Ronan O’Rahilly and Fabiola Miller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8. “Although life is a continuous process, fertilization… is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte.”

“[All] organisms, however large and complex they might be as full grown, begin life as a single cell. This is true for the human being, for instance, who begins life as a fertilized ovum.” Dr. Morris Krieger “The Human Reproductive System” p 88 (1969) Sterling Pub. Co

 

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It has been given elsewhere on the Board many, many times.

So in other words, you don't have any evidence. Where is your evidence, Jake? Can you summarize it? Can you tell me when that new individuals DNA comes into existence, Jake? Does its DNA change at birth, Jake?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Doesn't matter, ding. You and your cites' opinions have no force in law.

 

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And for the second time those are opinions of folks who can be countered by scores of others.

Ok, Jake, where are your experts who claim that a new human being is not created at conception. Here are mine.

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.” James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

Rand McNally, Atlas of the Body (New York: Rand McNally, 1980) 139, 144 “In fusing together, the male and female gametes produce a fertilized single cell, the zygote, which is the start of a new individual.” Quoted in Randy Alcorn “Pro-life Answers to Pro-Choice Arguments” (Sisters, Oregon: Multnomah Publishers, 2000)

 

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Doesn't matter, ding. You and your cites' opinions have no force in law.

So, then you are changing tactics. I guess you have finally realized that you have lost the scientific argument. You will lose the legal argument too, but I still have some scientific evidence to share.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Give us the law that puts that all into force, ding. Your opinions are wrong and not law.

Tough to be you.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I am waiting on you, ding.