Abraham? Really?

[irosie91]

Laven and Rivka are siblings. It's explicit in the Torah during Eliezer's visit to Lavan's house to find a wife for Yitzchak.

yes----and LABAN is the father of Rachel and Leah---------and member of the extended family---
which is why-------ELIEZER got told to go there to get a wife-------a keep it in the tribe thing------
but I lost the name of the father of Rebecca------Isn't he the guy who negotiated at the outset
with Eliezer?

His name was Bethel, the father of Rebecca

Bethel...a horrible transliteration which means House of God.
B'Soo'Al means Virgin of God.
The King James translation is horrendous.

Which the name came from original Hebrew writers when written for the Greeks.
Has nothing to do with the King James.

Incorrect, without the original Hebrew there is no Greek or Latin.
You actually think God dictated the Torah to Moshe in Greek or Latin?
You've got to be kidding.

SHEEEESH independent-----that's not what she meant.

 

[peach174]

He wasn't starving on the throes of death. It goes how much he thought of his birthright that he sold it for bean soup.

yes----that is the moral of the story------it was a kind of test of FORTITUDE------For me one
of the MAJOR themes of Genesis is a BREAK WITH THE RIGHTS OF THE FIRST BORN---
which was actually BABYLONIAN LAW-------in genesis----several times over----POWER GOES
to the BEST-----not entirely dependent on birth order

Hebrews were around a lot longer than the Babylonians.
Break the rights go way back to Genesis back around 3,000 B. C.
The Babylonian Civilization was around 626 B.C.

According to RABBI WIKKI------the Hummurabi code goes back to 1754 BC and Abraham
traveled to CANAAN something like 2100 BC He was brought up in the culture of
Mesopotamia------with its customs and laws

Ok
Still means that they were around before Babylonians.
Ask him if that law goes back to that time period.
I think that it's law from Abraham, but. I could be wrong.

the first born thing-----I am ALMOST POSTIVE --is from MESOPOTAMIA ---where
Abraham and Sara grew up. Mesopotamia did lots of laws------it was a complex
society ----even had castes -----and the king (or kings) acted as JUDGES -------
Mesopotamia is responsible for the tit for tat legal system------If you accidentally
kill a child-------your kid has got to go

Which was my point, that law was Abraham, not Babylonian.
Babylonians got it from them.

 

[Indeependent]

yes----and LABAN is the father of Rachel and Leah---------and member of the extended family---
which is why-------ELIEZER got told to go there to get a wife-------a keep it in the tribe thing------
but I lost the name of the father of Rebecca------Isn't he the guy who negotiated at the outset
with Eliezer?

His name was Bethel, the father of Rebecca

Bethel...a horrible transliteration which means House of God.
B'Soo'Al means Virgin of God.
The King James translation is horrendous.

Which the name came from original Hebrew writers when written for the Greeks.
Has nothing to do with the King James.

Incorrect, without the original Hebrew there is no Greek or Latin.
You actually think God dictated the Torah to Moshe in Greek or Latin?
You've got to be kidding.

SHEEEESH independent-----that's not what she meant.

I corrected myself in regards to the Septuagint which was translated to Greek and far more accurate than the KJV abortion.

 

[peach174]

yes----and LABAN is the father of Rachel and Leah---------and member of the extended family---
which is why-------ELIEZER got told to go there to get a wife-------a keep it in the tribe thing------
but I lost the name of the father of Rebecca------Isn't he the guy who negotiated at the outset
with Eliezer?

His name was Bethel, the father of Rebecca

Bethel...a horrible transliteration which means House of God.
B'Soo'Al means Virgin of God.
The King James translation is horrendous.

Which the name came from original Hebrew writers when written for the Greeks.
Has nothing to do with the King James.

Incorrect, without the original Hebrew there is no Greek or Latin.
You actually think God dictated the Torah to Moshe in Greek or Latin?
You've got to be kidding.

SHEEEESH independent-----that's not what she meant.

Lord!
They are that dense they need the date?

 

[irosie91]

yes----that is the moral of the story------it was a kind of test of FORTITUDE------For me one
of the MAJOR themes of Genesis is a BREAK WITH THE RIGHTS OF THE FIRST BORN---
which was actually BABYLONIAN LAW-------in genesis----several times over----POWER GOES
to the BEST-----not entirely dependent on birth order

Hebrews were around a lot longer than the Babylonians.
Break the rights go way back to Genesis back around 3,000 B. C.
The Babylonian Civilization was around 626 B.C.

According to RABBI WIKKI------the Hummurabi code goes back to 1754 BC and Abraham
traveled to CANAAN something like 2100 BC He was brought up in the culture of
Mesopotamia------with its customs and laws

Ok
Still means that they were around before Babylonians.
Ask him if that law goes back to that time period.
I think that it's law from Abraham, but. I could be wrong.

the first born thing-----I am ALMOST POSTIVE --is from MESOPOTAMIA ---where
Abraham and Sara grew up. Mesopotamia did lots of laws------it was a complex
society ----even had castes -----and the king (or kings) acted as JUDGES -------
Mesopotamia is responsible for the tit for tat legal system------If you accidentally
kill a child-------your kid has got to go

Which was my point, that law was Abraham, not Babylonian.
Babylonians got it from them.

no at the time of ABRAHAM----leaving Mesopotamia-----those
lands ---ie Ur and Aram and HARAN or whatever------already had
complex legal systems

 

[irosie91]

His name was Bethel, the father of Rebecca

Bethel...a horrible transliteration which means House of God.
B'Soo'Al means Virgin of God.
The King James translation is horrendous.

Which the name came from original Hebrew writers when written for the Greeks.
Has nothing to do with the King James.

Incorrect, without the original Hebrew there is no Greek or Latin.
You actually think God dictated the Torah to Moshe in Greek or Latin?
You've got to be kidding.

SHEEEESH independent-----that's not what she meant.

I corrected myself in regards to the Septuagint which was translated to Greek and far more accurate than the KJV abortion.

ok--------I do not know Greek-------sorry. The KJV seems to me a fair translation from
Hebrew to English------just fairly fair----I have no way of knowing the SEPTUAGINT

 

[Indeependent]

Bethel...a horrible transliteration which means House of God.
B'Soo'Al means Virgin of God.
The King James translation is horrendous.

Which the name came from original Hebrew writers when written for the Greeks.
Has nothing to do with the King James.

Incorrect, without the original Hebrew there is no Greek or Latin.
You actually think God dictated the Torah to Moshe in Greek or Latin?
You've got to be kidding.

SHEEEESH independent-----that's not what she meant.

I corrected myself in regards to the Septuagint which was translated to Greek and far more accurate than the KJV abortion.

ok--------I do not know Greek-------sorry. The KJV seems to me a fair translation from
Hebrew to English------just fairly fair----I have no way of knowing the SEPTUAGINT

I hate to be curt but your knowledge of Hebrew and Torah has to develop.
You are approaching verses left and right without context.
I see you have a desire to know more so you have to apply yourself.
Torah is far more interesting when you're older and you have life experience under your belt.

 

[peach174]

Hebrews were around a lot longer than the Babylonians.
Break the rights go way back to Genesis back around 3,000 B. C.
The Babylonian Civilization was around 626 B.C.

According to RABBI WIKKI------the Hummurabi code goes back to 1754 BC and Abraham
traveled to CANAAN something like 2100 BC He was brought up in the culture of
Mesopotamia------with its customs and laws

Ok
Still means that they were around before Babylonians.
Ask him if that law goes back to that time period.
I think that it's law from Abraham, but. I could be wrong.

the first born thing-----I am ALMOST POSTIVE --is from MESOPOTAMIA ---where
Abraham and Sara grew up. Mesopotamia did lots of laws------it was a complex
society ----even had castes -----and the king (or kings) acted as JUDGES -------
Mesopotamia is responsible for the tit for tat legal system------If you accidentally
kill a child-------your kid has got to go

Which was my point, that law was Abraham, not Babylonian.
Babylonians got it from them.

no at the time of ABRAHAM----leaving Mesopotamia-----those
lands ---ie Ur and Aram and HARAN or whatever------already had
complex legal systems

That's why I would like to know.
I bet you he will say Break with the rights of the first born was law from Abraham.

 

[Indeependent]

According to RABBI WIKKI------the Hummurabi code goes back to 1754 BC and Abraham
traveled to CANAAN something like 2100 BC He was brought up in the culture of
Mesopotamia------with its customs and laws

Ok
Still means that they were around before Babylonians.
Ask him if that law goes back to that time period.
I think that it's law from Abraham, but. I could be wrong.

the first born thing-----I am ALMOST POSTIVE --is from MESOPOTAMIA ---where
Abraham and Sara grew up. Mesopotamia did lots of laws------it was a complex
society ----even had castes -----and the king (or kings) acted as JUDGES -------
Mesopotamia is responsible for the tit for tat legal system------If you accidentally
kill a child-------your kid has got to go

Which was my point, that law was Abraham, not Babylonian.
Babylonians got it from them.

no at the time of ABRAHAM----leaving Mesopotamia-----those
lands ---ie Ur and Aram and HARAN or whatever------already had
complex legal systems

That's why I would like to know.
I bet you he will say Break with the rights of the first born was law from Abraham.

Primogeniture was around since the beginning of time.

 

[peach174]

Bethel...a horrible transliteration which means House of God.
B'Soo'Al means Virgin of God.
The King James translation is horrendous.

Which the name came from original Hebrew writers when written for the Greeks.
Has nothing to do with the King James.

Incorrect, without the original Hebrew there is no Greek or Latin.
You actually think God dictated the Torah to Moshe in Greek or Latin?
You've got to be kidding.

SHEEEESH independent-----that's not what she meant.

I corrected myself in regards to the Septuagint which was translated to Greek and far more accurate than the KJV abortion.

ok--------I do not know Greek-------sorry. The KJV seems to me a fair translation from
Hebrew to English------just fairly fair----I have no way of knowing the SEPTUAGINT

I agree the KJV was better than all of the many, with too many notes written in the margins.
Too many versions for all of the different branches.

 

[peach174]

Ok
Still means that they were around before Babylonians.
Ask him if that law goes back to that time period.
I think that it's law from Abraham, but. I could be wrong.

the first born thing-----I am ALMOST POSTIVE --is from MESOPOTAMIA ---where
Abraham and Sara grew up. Mesopotamia did lots of laws------it was a complex
society ----even had castes -----and the king (or kings) acted as JUDGES -------
Mesopotamia is responsible for the tit for tat legal system------If you accidentally
kill a child-------your kid has got to go

Which was my point, that law was Abraham, not Babylonian.
Babylonians got it from them.

no at the time of ABRAHAM----leaving Mesopotamia-----those
lands ---ie Ur and Aram and HARAN or whatever------already had
complex legal systems

That's why I would like to know.
I bet you he will say Break with the rights of the first born was law from Abraham.

Primogeniture was around since the beginning of time.

I guess I do have to use the dates.
We are discussing law from 1700 B.C. vs 600B.C.

 

[irosie91]

the first born thing-----I am ALMOST POSTIVE --is from MESOPOTAMIA ---where
Abraham and Sara grew up. Mesopotamia did lots of laws------it was a complex
society ----even had castes -----and the king (or kings) acted as JUDGES -------
Mesopotamia is responsible for the tit for tat legal system------If you accidentally
kill a child-------your kid has got to go

Which was my point, that law was Abraham, not Babylonian.
Babylonians got it from them.

no at the time of ABRAHAM----leaving Mesopotamia-----those
lands ---ie Ur and Aram and HARAN or whatever------already had
complex legal systems

That's why I would like to know.
I bet you he will say Break with the rights of the first born was law from Abraham.

Primogeniture was around since the beginning of time.

I guess I do have to use the dates.
We are discussing law from 1700 B.C. vs 600B.C.

Abraham left MESOPOTAMIA -------the part called ARAM.
It was not called BABYLON-------his part was called ARAM----about 2000
BC Mesopotamia-----consisted of a few ""countries""-----that had
laws and customs and religion--------The tablets which describe the
COMPLEX legal code of the area is THE CODE OF HUMMARABI----
a compiled set of laws-----about 1800 BC-----but those laws are just
A COMPILATION of the existing laws and customs of that very old society----
so Abraham had LIVED UNDER THOSE LAWS ----GREW UP UNDER THOSE
LAWS-------he did not invent the laws-----he BROUGHT THEM TO
CANAAN in his MIND. He also FOUNDED the community called HEBREWS---
his group of people in Canaan----something like a tribe. The book of genesis
makes it clear that Abraham REPUDIATED LOTS OF THE LAWS AND CUSTOMS
OF MESOPOTAMIA ----he ran his community---theoretically----according to his
own ideas. Hebrew custom was, therefore-----from Mesopotamia ---modified
by ABRAHAM

 

[peach174]

Which was my point, that law was Abraham, not Babylonian.
Babylonians got it from them.

no at the time of ABRAHAM----leaving Mesopotamia-----those
lands ---ie Ur and Aram and HARAN or whatever------already had
complex legal systems

That's why I would like to know.
I bet you he will say Break with the rights of the first born was law from Abraham.

Primogeniture was around since the beginning of time.

I guess I do have to use the dates.
We are discussing law from 1700 B.C. vs 600B.C.

Abraham left MESOPOTAMIA -------the part called ARAM.
It was not called BABYLON-------his part was called ARAM----about 2000
BC Mesopotamia-----consisted of a few ""countries""-----that had
laws and customs and religion--------The tablets which describe the
COMPLEX legal code of the area is THE CODE OF HUMMARABI----
a compiled set of laws-----about 1800 BC-----but those laws are just
A COMPILATION of the existing laws and customs of that very old society----
so Abraham had LIVED UNDER THOSE LAWS ----GREW UP UNDER THOSE
LAWS-------he did not invent the laws-----he BROUGHT THEM TO
CANAAN in his MIND. He also FOUNDED the community called HEBREWS---
his group of people in Canaan----something like a tribe. The book of genesis
makes it clear that Abraham REPUDIATED LOTS OF THE LAWS AND CUSTOMS
OF MESOPOTAMIA ----he ran his community---theoretically----according to his
own ideas. Hebrew custom was, therefore-----from Mesopotamia ---modified
by ABRAHAM

Yes so it was not Babylonian like you said earlier, or I misunderstood.
I never said he wrote them.

 

[anotherlife]

Is that true, that Abrahams wife didn't get pregnant for like 60 years during their marriages? And that this was because they cut off Abrahams dick during his circumcisions? And that at the end God had to intervene and get her pregnant with the starter of the Jews?

 

[irosie91]

no at the time of ABRAHAM----leaving Mesopotamia-----those
lands ---ie Ur and Aram and HARAN or whatever------already had
complex legal systems

That's why I would like to know.
I bet you he will say Break with the rights of the first born was law from Abraham.

Primogeniture was around since the beginning of time.

I guess I do have to use the dates.
We are discussing law from 1700 B.C. vs 600B.C.

Abraham left MESOPOTAMIA -------the part called ARAM.
It was not called BABYLON-------his part was called ARAM----about 2000
BC Mesopotamia-----consisted of a few ""countries""-----that had
laws and customs and religion--------The tablets which describe the
COMPLEX legal code of the area is THE CODE OF HUMMARABI----
a compiled set of laws-----about 1800 BC-----but those laws are just
A COMPILATION of the existing laws and customs of that very old society----
so Abraham had LIVED UNDER THOSE LAWS ----GREW UP UNDER THOSE
LAWS-------he did not invent the laws-----he BROUGHT THEM TO
CANAAN in his MIND. He also FOUNDED the community called HEBREWS---
his group of people in Canaan----something like a tribe. The book of genesis
makes it clear that Abraham REPUDIATED LOTS OF THE LAWS AND CUSTOMS
OF MESOPOTAMIA ----he ran his community---theoretically----according to his
own ideas. Hebrew custom was, therefore-----from Mesopotamia ---modified
by ABRAHAM

Yes so it was not Babylonian like you said earlier, or I misunderstood.
I never said he wrote them.

I was using the term BABYLONIAN in a generic sense------the language laws and
customs of the AREA which was MESOPOTAMIA. I have no idea how long INDIA
was called INIDA-----but the culture there is old---including its customs, its religion,
-------for accuracy -----when referring to REALLY ANCIENT TIMES-----I would guess it is
more accurate to say THE CULTURES OF THE IINDUS VALLEY (???) ------
North America has not been "NORTH AMERICA" all that long either-----

 

[irosie91]

Is that true, that Abrahams wife didn't get pregnant for like 60 years during their marriages? And that this was because they cut off Abrahams dick during his circumcisions? And that at the end God had to intervene and get her pregnant with the starter of the Jews?

get a life

 

[anotherlife]

Is that true, that Abrahams wife didn't get pregnant for like 60 years during their marriages? And that this was because they cut off Abrahams dick during his circumcisions? And that at the end God had to intervene and get her pregnant with the starter of the Jews?

get a life

So it is true. Abraham is the world's first gay celebrity symbol. Not only that but also the world's first sex change symbol.

 

[Indeependent]

Is that true, that Abrahams wife didn't get pregnant for like 60 years during their marriages? And that this was because they cut off Abrahams dick during his circumcisions? And that at the end God had to intervene and get her pregnant with the starter of the Jews?

Has your IQ always been in the negative?

 

[anotherlife]

Is that true, that Abrahams wife didn't get pregnant for like 60 years during their marriages? And that this was because they cut off Abrahams dick during his circumcisions? And that at the end God had to intervene and get her pregnant with the starter of the Jews?

Has your IQ always been in the negative?

Face it. Abraham was gay. This was because they cut off his dick.

 

[ding]

Verses?
Sarah was jealous...verse?
steal the birthright...didn't Jacob buy it from Eisav.
Feel stupid yet?

did Jacob really OWN THOSE BEANS?

No Sara suffered from jealousy and wanted Isaac to inherit. The jewish women are sneaky, remember the Jacob story how his mother helped him steal the birthright from Esau.

Verses?
Sarah was jealous...verse?
steal the birthright...didn't Jacob buy it from Eisav.
Feel stupid yet?

What was the thing about the suit with hair, if only Isaac knew but he was blind. Laban , sister of Rebecca was just as dishonest. (also not fair to make a deal of food when one is hungry and you have the food, can you say bribe)

He wasn't starving on the throes of death. It goes how much he thought of his birthright that he sold it for bean soup.

yes----that is the moral of the story------it was a kind of test of FORTITUDE------For me one
of the MAJOR themes of Genesis is a BREAK WITH THE RIGHTS OF THE FIRST BORN---
which was actually BABYLONIAN LAW-------in genesis----several times over----POWER GOES
to the BEST-----not entirely dependent on birth order

Hebrews were around a lot longer than the Babylonians.
Break the rights go way back to Genesis back around 3,000 B. C.
The Babylonian Civilization was around 626 B.C.

The great migration from the cradle of Civilization which is described in the Tower of Babel was recorded in pictograph form as symbols in the Chinese written language 4500 years ago.