Andrew Klavan....Trump was right about everything...

[Mike473]

The test is only a snap shot in time. Someone could get infected at any time if they are in public places. The test provides no immunity to future infection.

Everything will need to be shut down. And social distancing and self quarantines are needed whether you are infected or not. That will level off the spread and keep the medical resources from crashing. If you have flu like symptoms, self quarantine whether it is the Corona or another flu. We will need to ride this one out the hard way.

 

[HappyJoy]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

May 10, 2018

The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.

The abrupt departure of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer from the National Security Council means no senior administration official is now focused solely on global health security. Ziemer’s departure, along with the breakup of his team, comes at a time when many experts say the country is already underprepared for the increasing risks of a pandemic or bioterrorism attack.

...

Pandemic preparedness and global health security are issues that require government-wide responses, experts say, as well as the leadership of a high-ranking official within the White House who is assigned only this role.

The personnel changes, which Morrison and others characterize as a downgrading of global health security, are part of Bolton’s previously announced plans to streamline the NSC. Two members of Ziemer's team have been merged into a unit in charge of weapons of mass destruction, and another official's position is now part of a unit responsible for international organizations. White House homeland security adviser Tom Bossert, who had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks, is out completely. He left the day after Bolton took over last month.​

Wow......and to think that the CDC with 10s of thousands of employees had no one else to step in and do that job.........

You guys...your god..."government," isn't great.........you should really stop worshiping it.

They lost the expertise. They aren't running a McDonald's where you can just throw the new guy on fry duty. They deprioritized global pandemics while being warned that the world was long over due for a new one.

We are months behind testing. One thing is clear, the countries that test are the ones finding cases.

Damn you're ignorant, S Korea decided to test the masses and came up with 96+% negative results. For you slow commies that means out of 100 tested 96-97 didn't have the virus. Also the NSC has no business in medical matters, we have the NIH and CDC for that. Of course you commies just love expensive redundant government, don'ch?

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Whether somebody tests positive or negative for the disease is good information to have. For example for those who test negative you don't need to quarantine and you can weed them out and only quarantine the sick, whether they are showing symptoms or not. It can also clear people who are showing possible symptoms however only have the flu.

I don't understand why you people are so dense.

You still won't have an accurate count, people that have been exposed may test negative today and positive tomorrow. People respond differently after exposure. But hey, feel free to keep bitching like a little girl on something you obviously know nothing about.

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Ever heard the phrase perfection is the enemy of progress?

You;d have a more accurate count. The idea being you separate as best you can the sick so that they can quarantine themselves or if need be admitted to a hospital. You have a really dumb argument which appears to be just live in the dark, let everyone get infected and who cares who dies from it.

South Korea thanks in part to their testing has a fatality rate of only .7% which is much lower than the global rate.

 

[HappyJoy]

The test is only a snap shot in time. Someone could get infected at any time if they are in public places. The test provides no immunity to future infection.

Everything will need to be shut down. And social distancing and self quarantines are needed whether you are infected or not. That will level off the spread and keep the medical resources from crashing. If you have flu like symptoms, self quarantine whether it is the Corona or another flu. We will need to ride this one out the hard way.

You need both.

 

[OKTexas]

Wow......and to think that the CDC with 10s of thousands of employees had no one else to step in and do that job.........

You guys...your god..."government," isn't great.........you should really stop worshiping it.

They lost the expertise. They aren't running a McDonald's where you can just throw the new guy on fry duty. They deprioritized global pandemics while being warned that the world was long over due for a new one.

We are months behind testing. One thing is clear, the countries that test are the ones finding cases.

Wrong......they have experts all over the place.....

They are government, they can't do anything well in the first place. And it will be the private companies stepping up that will make testing effective.....

Yeah, it's been working well so far. :/

Of course private companies will have a role to play but you need a team already put together that had a running plan to work with. Doesn't look like we had that. You need a centralized government to lead in this. Not one that lies about the readiness and capability of websites and one that is focusing on discovering the true number of infected in this country. So far, we don't have that either. The WHO had tests available, we declined.

What's the plan for increasing hospital beds or when our healthcare system is over run?

The fact is we'll never know how many people are infected, people with mild symptoms will never go to a doctor or get tested. How do you plan to count them? Do you think all 350 million people should be tested whether they show harsher symptoms or not? Come on commie, give us your plan.

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You can trace people. For example someone gets sick, they ask who they've interacted with and then you test those people. Some showing symptoms, some not. Of those showing symptoms you can clear them if it;s not from coronavirus otherwise you'd have to assume they are infected. Others not showing symptoms would otherwise have continued to spread the disease. This appears to be how most people are infected.

There are a limited number of resources and you don't want to waste your time treating people who aren't sick and preventing others from getting sick in the first place.

It's also good for the economy, those who are not infected can go back to work.

Jesus, you'd think this would be obvious.

Houston has two cases that attended the rodeo BBQ cook off, neither can tell what tents they were at, since the tents weren't numbered. Tell the class how you trace that.

BTW the Houston mayor just announced that drive through test centers will be opened next week.

.

 

[HappyJoy]

They lost the expertise. They aren't running a McDonald's where you can just throw the new guy on fry duty. They deprioritized global pandemics while being warned that the world was long over due for a new one.

We are months behind testing. One thing is clear, the countries that test are the ones finding cases.

Wrong......they have experts all over the place.....

They are government, they can't do anything well in the first place. And it will be the private companies stepping up that will make testing effective.....

Yeah, it's been working well so far. :/

Of course private companies will have a role to play but you need a team already put together that had a running plan to work with. Doesn't look like we had that. You need a centralized government to lead in this. Not one that lies about the readiness and capability of websites and one that is focusing on discovering the true number of infected in this country. So far, we don't have that either. The WHO had tests available, we declined.

What's the plan for increasing hospital beds or when our healthcare system is over run?

The fact is we'll never know how many people are infected, people with mild symptoms will never go to a doctor or get tested. How do you plan to count them? Do you think all 350 million people should be tested whether they show harsher symptoms or not? Come on commie, give us your plan.

.

You can trace people. For example someone gets sick, they ask who they've interacted with and then you test those people. Some showing symptoms, some not. Of those showing symptoms you can clear them if it;s not from coronavirus otherwise you'd have to assume they are infected. Others not showing symptoms would otherwise have continued to spread the disease. This appears to be how most people are infected.

There are a limited number of resources and you don't want to waste your time treating people who aren't sick and preventing others from getting sick in the first place.

It's also good for the economy, those who are not infected can go back to work.

Jesus, you'd think this would be obvious.

Houston has two cases that attended the rodeo BBQ cook off, neither can tell what tents they were at, since the tents weren't numbered. Tell the class how you trace that.

BTW the Houston mayor just announced that drive through test centers will be opened next week.

.

Because you can't trace every occurrence doesn't mean you don't trace anything.

Remember, Perfection is the enemy of progress. Though it appears you're not able to comprehend that and would rather we as a country just sit here with our thumbs up our asses.

 

[Muhammed]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

May 10, 2018

The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.

The abrupt departure of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer from the National Security Council means no senior administration official is now focused solely on global health security. Ziemer’s departure, along with the breakup of his team, comes at a time when many experts say the country is already underprepared for the increasing risks of a pandemic or bioterrorism attack.

...

Pandemic preparedness and global health security are issues that require government-wide responses, experts say, as well as the leadership of a high-ranking official within the White House who is assigned only this role.

The personnel changes, which Morrison and others characterize as a downgrading of global health security, are part of Bolton’s previously announced plans to streamline the NSC. Two members of Ziemer's team have been merged into a unit in charge of weapons of mass destruction, and another official's position is now part of a unit responsible for international organizations. White House homeland security adviser Tom Bossert, who had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks, is out completely. He left the day after Bolton took over last month.​

The fact is that the Trump administration rejecting what Obama created undoubtedly helped the Trump administration perform much better than the incompetent Obama administration.

Obama fucked up everything related to health care. Especially Electronic Health Records. Over $30 billion was totally wasted on a system that didn't work as advertised. It's not that EHR wasn't a good idea, it was. The only problem was that the Obama administration was incredibly incompetent. WTF!?!

The Obama administration was, by far, the most incompetent in my lifetime. Therefore, to assume that the government response to COVID-19 would have been better if Trump did not change the status quo, is just plain stupid.

 

[OKTexas]

Wrong......they have experts all over the place.....

They are government, they can't do anything well in the first place. And it will be the private companies stepping up that will make testing effective.....

Yeah, it's been working well so far. :/

Of course private companies will have a role to play but you need a team already put together that had a running plan to work with. Doesn't look like we had that. You need a centralized government to lead in this. Not one that lies about the readiness and capability of websites and one that is focusing on discovering the true number of infected in this country. So far, we don't have that either. The WHO had tests available, we declined.

What's the plan for increasing hospital beds or when our healthcare system is over run?

The fact is we'll never know how many people are infected, people with mild symptoms will never go to a doctor or get tested. How do you plan to count them? Do you think all 350 million people should be tested whether they show harsher symptoms or not? Come on commie, give us your plan.

.

You can trace people. For example someone gets sick, they ask who they've interacted with and then you test those people. Some showing symptoms, some not. Of those showing symptoms you can clear them if it;s not from coronavirus otherwise you'd have to assume they are infected. Others not showing symptoms would otherwise have continued to spread the disease. This appears to be how most people are infected.

There are a limited number of resources and you don't want to waste your time treating people who aren't sick and preventing others from getting sick in the first place.

It's also good for the economy, those who are not infected can go back to work.

Jesus, you'd think this would be obvious.

Houston has two cases that attended the rodeo BBQ cook off, neither can tell what tents they were at, since the tents weren't numbered. Tell the class how you trace that.

BTW the Houston mayor just announced that drive through test centers will be opened next week.

.

Because you can't trace every occurrence doesn't mean you don't trace anything.

Remember, Perfection is the enemy of progress. Though it appears you're not able to comprehend that and would rather we as a country just sit here with our thumbs up our asses.

Never said we should do nothing, just pointing out it not as simple as you commies seem to think it is. But you and your ilk seem to think just throwing money at a problem will fix it, history as proven you wrong the vast majority of times. Mother nature will more likely do more to mitigate this than man ever will, the coronavirus doesn't do well in higher temps, humidity and more sunshine. UV rays kill viruses and bacteria.

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[HappyJoy]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

May 10, 2018

The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.

The abrupt departure of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer from the National Security Council means no senior administration official is now focused solely on global health security. Ziemer’s departure, along with the breakup of his team, comes at a time when many experts say the country is already underprepared for the increasing risks of a pandemic or bioterrorism attack.

...

Pandemic preparedness and global health security are issues that require government-wide responses, experts say, as well as the leadership of a high-ranking official within the White House who is assigned only this role.

The personnel changes, which Morrison and others characterize as a downgrading of global health security, are part of Bolton’s previously announced plans to streamline the NSC. Two members of Ziemer's team have been merged into a unit in charge of weapons of mass destruction, and another official's position is now part of a unit responsible for international organizations. White House homeland security adviser Tom Bossert, who had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks, is out completely. He left the day after Bolton took over last month.​

The fact that the Trump administration rejecting what Obama created undoubtedly helped the Trump administration perform much better than the incompetent Obama administration.

Nothing in that sentence means anything, it just sounds good to you.

Obama fucked up everything related to health care. Especially Electronic Health Records. Over $30 billion was totally wasted on a system that didn't work as advertised. WTF!?!

Can't stay on topic? Now we have to go with another wingnut screed?

The Obama administration was, by far, the most incompetent in my lifetime. Therefore, to assume that the government response would have been better if Trump did not change the status quo, is just plain stupid.

See my first point.

You 're not bringing much to the table.

 

[bripat9643]

And here we have the Truth...

KLAVAN: Let This Crisis Go To Waste

In the current WuFlu crisis, the problem for the Trump-is-an-idiot crowd is that when you step back a bit — and when you subtract his clumsy statements and the usual government missteps in any crisis — the guy has been right about almost everything. Uncontrolled migration, globalization, and the Chinese supply chain — everything Trump has tried to rectify — are precisely what make flus like this so dangerous.
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So every time you hear a Democrat complain about Trump’s actions, ask yourself this: Do you really want to replace him with the party of open borders and world government? A party that worries we’ll insult our dear Chinese Communist friends by naming the virus improperly? A party that is about to be led by an empty suit who can’t remember the name of God? It would be insane.

Even with Trump at the helm, the Democrats have to be thwarted in this moment at every turn. They are the party of “Never let a crisis go to waste,” which translates into, “Always use people’s fears to extend the power of government.”

Donald Trump has shown himself to be incompetent. Even National Review admits he has screwed this up. They are trump supporters. Crazy Trump supporters like you will defend Trump no matter what. You rely on more Trump cultists to back you up. Ordinary voters are tired of this. That is why more suburban voters are participating in the Democrat primaries.

National Review is a RINO never-Trumper publication, dumbass.

Everything else you posted is just as wrong.

 

[bripat9643]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

May 10, 2018

The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.

The abrupt departure of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer from the National Security Council means no senior administration official is now focused solely on global health security. Ziemer’s departure, along with the breakup of his team, comes at a time when many experts say the country is already underprepared for the increasing risks of a pandemic or bioterrorism attack.

...

Pandemic preparedness and global health security are issues that require government-wide responses, experts say, as well as the leadership of a high-ranking official within the White House who is assigned only this role.

The personnel changes, which Morrison and others characterize as a downgrading of global health security, are part of Bolton’s previously announced plans to streamline the NSC. Two members of Ziemer's team have been merged into a unit in charge of weapons of mass destruction, and another official's position is now part of a unit responsible for international organizations. White House homeland security adviser Tom Bossert, who had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks, is out completely. He left the day after Bolton took over last month.​

Wow......and to think that the CDC with 10s of thousands of employees had no one else to step in and do that job.........

You guys...your god..."government," isn't great.........you should really stop worshiping it.

They lost the expertise. They aren't running a McDonald's where you can just throw the new guy on fry duty. They deprioritized global pandemics while being warned that the world was long over due for a new one.

We are months behind testing. One thing is clear, the countries that test are the ones finding cases.

Wrong......they have experts all over the place.....

They are government, they can't do anything well in the first place. And it will be the private companies stepping up that will make testing effective.....

Yeah, it's been working well so far. :/

Of course private companies will have a role to play but you need a team already put together that had a running plan to work with. Doesn't look like we had that. You need a centralized government to lead in this. Not one that lies about the readiness and capability of websites and one that is focusing on discovering the true number of infected in this country. So far, we don't have that either. The WHO had tests available, we declined.

What's the plan for increasing hospital beds or when our healthcare system is over run?

The fact is we'll never know how many people are infected, people with mild symptoms will never go to a doctor or get tested. How do you plan to count them? Do you think all 350 million people should be tested whether they show harsher symptoms or not? Come on commie, give us your plan.

.

I've heard the test costs $1300, so testing everyone would cost over $400 billion.

 

[HappyJoy]

Yeah, it's been working well so far. :/

Of course private companies will have a role to play but you need a team already put together that had a running plan to work with. Doesn't look like we had that. You need a centralized government to lead in this. Not one that lies about the readiness and capability of websites and one that is focusing on discovering the true number of infected in this country. So far, we don't have that either. The WHO had tests available, we declined.

What's the plan for increasing hospital beds or when our healthcare system is over run?

The fact is we'll never know how many people are infected, people with mild symptoms will never go to a doctor or get tested. How do you plan to count them? Do you think all 350 million people should be tested whether they show harsher symptoms or not? Come on commie, give us your plan.

.

You can trace people. For example someone gets sick, they ask who they've interacted with and then you test those people. Some showing symptoms, some not. Of those showing symptoms you can clear them if it;s not from coronavirus otherwise you'd have to assume they are infected. Others not showing symptoms would otherwise have continued to spread the disease. This appears to be how most people are infected.

There are a limited number of resources and you don't want to waste your time treating people who aren't sick and preventing others from getting sick in the first place.

It's also good for the economy, those who are not infected can go back to work.

Jesus, you'd think this would be obvious.

Houston has two cases that attended the rodeo BBQ cook off, neither can tell what tents they were at, since the tents weren't numbered. Tell the class how you trace that.

BTW the Houston mayor just announced that drive through test centers will be opened next week.

.

Because you can't trace every occurrence doesn't mean you don't trace anything.

Remember, Perfection is the enemy of progress. Though it appears you're not able to comprehend that and would rather we as a country just sit here with our thumbs up our asses.

Never said we should do nothing, just pointing out it not as simple as you commies seem to think it is. But you and your ilk seem to think just throwing money at a problem will fix it, history as proven you wrong the vast majority of times. Mother nature will more likely do more to mitigate this than man ever will, the coronavirus doesn't do well in higher temps, humidity and more sunshine. UV rays kill viruses and bacteria.

.

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It's not possible to slow down the rate of infection by testing? Find a real health professional who agrees with you. Sitting in the dark doesn't help anyone.

Higher temps? Have you heard of Australia? Not all viruses die out in warmer weather. This one may or may not and come back to bite us again when the weather cools back down.

 

[OKTexas]

Wow......and to think that the CDC with 10s of thousands of employees had no one else to step in and do that job.........

You guys...your god..."government," isn't great.........you should really stop worshiping it.

They lost the expertise. They aren't running a McDonald's where you can just throw the new guy on fry duty. They deprioritized global pandemics while being warned that the world was long over due for a new one.

We are months behind testing. One thing is clear, the countries that test are the ones finding cases.

Wrong......they have experts all over the place.....

They are government, they can't do anything well in the first place. And it will be the private companies stepping up that will make testing effective.....

Yeah, it's been working well so far. :/

Of course private companies will have a role to play but you need a team already put together that had a running plan to work with. Doesn't look like we had that. You need a centralized government to lead in this. Not one that lies about the readiness and capability of websites and one that is focusing on discovering the true number of infected in this country. So far, we don't have that either. The WHO had tests available, we declined.

What's the plan for increasing hospital beds or when our healthcare system is over run?

The fact is we'll never know how many people are infected, people with mild symptoms will never go to a doctor or get tested. How do you plan to count them? Do you think all 350 million people should be tested whether they show harsher symptoms or not? Come on commie, give us your plan.

.

I've heard the test costs $1300, so testing everyone would cost over $400 billion.

The new high through put test will be much less, there's very little labor involved.

.

 

[HappyJoy]

Wow......and to think that the CDC with 10s of thousands of employees had no one else to step in and do that job.........

You guys...your god..."government," isn't great.........you should really stop worshiping it.

They lost the expertise. They aren't running a McDonald's where you can just throw the new guy on fry duty. They deprioritized global pandemics while being warned that the world was long over due for a new one.

We are months behind testing. One thing is clear, the countries that test are the ones finding cases.

Wrong......they have experts all over the place.....

They are government, they can't do anything well in the first place. And it will be the private companies stepping up that will make testing effective.....

Yeah, it's been working well so far. :/

Of course private companies will have a role to play but you need a team already put together that had a running plan to work with. Doesn't look like we had that. You need a centralized government to lead in this. Not one that lies about the readiness and capability of websites and one that is focusing on discovering the true number of infected in this country. So far, we don't have that either. The WHO had tests available, we declined.

What's the plan for increasing hospital beds or when our healthcare system is over run?

The fact is we'll never know how many people are infected, people with mild symptoms will never go to a doctor or get tested. How do you plan to count them? Do you think all 350 million people should be tested whether they show harsher symptoms or not? Come on commie, give us your plan.

.

I've heard the test costs $1300, so testing everyone would cost over $400 billion.

Something nobody said, but OK.

 

[Muhammed]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

May 10, 2018

The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.

The abrupt departure of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer from the National Security Council means no senior administration official is now focused solely on global health security. Ziemer’s departure, along with the breakup of his team, comes at a time when many experts say the country is already underprepared for the increasing risks of a pandemic or bioterrorism attack.

...

Pandemic preparedness and global health security are issues that require government-wide responses, experts say, as well as the leadership of a high-ranking official within the White House who is assigned only this role.

The personnel changes, which Morrison and others characterize as a downgrading of global health security, are part of Bolton’s previously announced plans to streamline the NSC. Two members of Ziemer's team have been merged into a unit in charge of weapons of mass destruction, and another official's position is now part of a unit responsible for international organizations. White House homeland security adviser Tom Bossert, who had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks, is out completely. He left the day after Bolton took over last month.​

The fact is that the Trump administration rejecting what Obama created undoubtedly helped the Trump administration perform much better than the incompetent Obama administration.

Nothing in that sentence means anything, it just sounds good to you.

Obama fucked up everything related to health care. Especially Electronic Health Records. Over $30 billion was totally wasted on a system that didn't work as advertised. WTF!?!

Can't stay on topic? Now we have to go with another wingnut screed?

The Obama administration was, by far, the most incompetent in my lifetime. Therefore, to assume that the government response would have been better if Trump did not change the status quo, is just plain stupid.

See my first point.

You 're not bringing much to the table.

^^^
Projection.

Do you have any sort of evidence that Obama's pandemic czar would not have made matters worse rather than better?

If not, then your mindless parroting of the Washington "Jimmy's World" Post is meaningless.

 

[HappyJoy]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

May 10, 2018

The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.

The abrupt departure of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer from the National Security Council means no senior administration official is now focused solely on global health security. Ziemer’s departure, along with the breakup of his team, comes at a time when many experts say the country is already underprepared for the increasing risks of a pandemic or bioterrorism attack.

...

Pandemic preparedness and global health security are issues that require government-wide responses, experts say, as well as the leadership of a high-ranking official within the White House who is assigned only this role.

The personnel changes, which Morrison and others characterize as a downgrading of global health security, are part of Bolton’s previously announced plans to streamline the NSC. Two members of Ziemer's team have been merged into a unit in charge of weapons of mass destruction, and another official's position is now part of a unit responsible for international organizations. White House homeland security adviser Tom Bossert, who had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks, is out completely. He left the day after Bolton took over last month.​

The fact that the Trump administration rejecting what Obama created undoubtedly helped the Trump administration perform much better than the incompetent Obama administration.

Nothing in that sentence means anything, it just sounds good to you.

Obama fucked up everything related to health care. Especially Electronic Health Records. Over $30 billion was totally wasted on a system that didn't work as advertised. WTF!?!

Can't stay on topic? Now we have to go with another wingnut screed?

The Obama administration was, by far, the most incompetent in my lifetime. Therefore, to assume that the government response would have been better if Trump did not change the status quo, is just plain stupid.

See my first point.

You 're not bringing much to the table.

^^^
Projection.

Do you have any sort of evidence that Obama's pandemic czar would not have made matters worse rather than better?

If not, then you mindless parroting of the Washington "Jimmy's World" Post is meaningless.

That's also a dumb post.

Can you prove Trump knows how to boil water?

 

[Muhammed]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

May 10, 2018

The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.

The abrupt departure of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer from the National Security Council means no senior administration official is now focused solely on global health security. Ziemer’s departure, along with the breakup of his team, comes at a time when many experts say the country is already underprepared for the increasing risks of a pandemic or bioterrorism attack.

...

Pandemic preparedness and global health security are issues that require government-wide responses, experts say, as well as the leadership of a high-ranking official within the White House who is assigned only this role.

The personnel changes, which Morrison and others characterize as a downgrading of global health security, are part of Bolton’s previously announced plans to streamline the NSC. Two members of Ziemer's team have been merged into a unit in charge of weapons of mass destruction, and another official's position is now part of a unit responsible for international organizations. White House homeland security adviser Tom Bossert, who had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks, is out completely. He left the day after Bolton took over last month.​

The fact that the Trump administration rejecting what Obama created undoubtedly helped the Trump administration perform much better than the incompetent Obama administration.

Nothing in that sentence means anything, it just sounds good to you.

Obama fucked up everything related to health care. Especially Electronic Health Records. Over $30 billion was totally wasted on a system that didn't work as advertised. WTF!?!

Can't stay on topic? Now we have to go with another wingnut screed?

The Obama administration was, by far, the most incompetent in my lifetime. Therefore, to assume that the government response would have been better if Trump did not change the status quo, is just plain stupid.

See my first point.

You 're not bringing much to the table.

^^^
Projection.

Do you have any sort of evidence that Obama's pandemic czar would not have made matters worse rather than better?

If not, then you mindless parroting of the Washington "Jimmy's World" Post is meaningless.

That's also a dumb post.

Can you prove Trump knows how to boil water?

^^^
More proof that TDS makes you stupid.

 

[OKTexas]

The fact is we'll never know how many people are infected, people with mild symptoms will never go to a doctor or get tested. How do you plan to count them? Do you think all 350 million people should be tested whether they show harsher symptoms or not? Come on commie, give us your plan.

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You can trace people. For example someone gets sick, they ask who they've interacted with and then you test those people. Some showing symptoms, some not. Of those showing symptoms you can clear them if it;s not from coronavirus otherwise you'd have to assume they are infected. Others not showing symptoms would otherwise have continued to spread the disease. This appears to be how most people are infected.

There are a limited number of resources and you don't want to waste your time treating people who aren't sick and preventing others from getting sick in the first place.

It's also good for the economy, those who are not infected can go back to work.

Jesus, you'd think this would be obvious.

Houston has two cases that attended the rodeo BBQ cook off, neither can tell what tents they were at, since the tents weren't numbered. Tell the class how you trace that.

BTW the Houston mayor just announced that drive through test centers will be opened next week.

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Because you can't trace every occurrence doesn't mean you don't trace anything.

Remember, Perfection is the enemy of progress. Though it appears you're not able to comprehend that and would rather we as a country just sit here with our thumbs up our asses.

Never said we should do nothing, just pointing out it not as simple as you commies seem to think it is. But you and your ilk seem to think just throwing money at a problem will fix it, history as proven you wrong the vast majority of times. Mother nature will more likely do more to mitigate this than man ever will, the coronavirus doesn't do well in higher temps, humidity and more sunshine. UV rays kill viruses and bacteria.

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It's not possible to slow down the rate of infection by testing? Find a real health professional who agrees with you. Sitting in the dark doesn't help anyone.

In reality, NO. Once again, there will be many infected and carrying the virus who will have mild or no symptoms and never be tested. They might be caught through tracing, they might not. That has been confirmed by many medical professions on TV, but you idiots chose to push anything negative about Trump. That just makes you a propagandist.

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[bripat9643]

They lost the expertise. They aren't running a McDonald's where you can just throw the new guy on fry duty. They deprioritized global pandemics while being warned that the world was long over due for a new one.

We are months behind testing. One thing is clear, the countries that test are the ones finding cases.

Wrong......they have experts all over the place.....

They are government, they can't do anything well in the first place. And it will be the private companies stepping up that will make testing effective.....

Yeah, it's been working well so far. :/

Of course private companies will have a role to play but you need a team already put together that had a running plan to work with. Doesn't look like we had that. You need a centralized government to lead in this. Not one that lies about the readiness and capability of websites and one that is focusing on discovering the true number of infected in this country. So far, we don't have that either. The WHO had tests available, we declined.

What's the plan for increasing hospital beds or when our healthcare system is over run?

The fact is we'll never know how many people are infected, people with mild symptoms will never go to a doctor or get tested. How do you plan to count them? Do you think all 350 million people should be tested whether they show harsher symptoms or not? Come on commie, give us your plan.

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I've heard the test costs $1300, so testing everyone would cost over $400 billion.

Something nobody said, but OK.

So what's your plan, commie? How many people should be tested?

 

[bripat9643]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

May 10, 2018

The top White House official responsible for leading the U.S. response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.

The abrupt departure of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer from the National Security Council means no senior administration official is now focused solely on global health security. Ziemer’s departure, along with the breakup of his team, comes at a time when many experts say the country is already underprepared for the increasing risks of a pandemic or bioterrorism attack.

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Pandemic preparedness and global health security are issues that require government-wide responses, experts say, as well as the leadership of a high-ranking official within the White House who is assigned only this role.

The personnel changes, which Morrison and others characterize as a downgrading of global health security, are part of Bolton’s previously announced plans to streamline the NSC. Two members of Ziemer's team have been merged into a unit in charge of weapons of mass destruction, and another official's position is now part of a unit responsible for international organizations. White House homeland security adviser Tom Bossert, who had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks, is out completely. He left the day after Bolton took over last month.​

The fact that the Trump administration rejecting what Obama created undoubtedly helped the Trump administration perform much better than the incompetent Obama administration.

Nothing in that sentence means anything, it just sounds good to you.

Obama fucked up everything related to health care. Especially Electronic Health Records. Over $30 billion was totally wasted on a system that didn't work as advertised. WTF!?!

Can't stay on topic? Now we have to go with another wingnut screed?

The Obama administration was, by far, the most incompetent in my lifetime. Therefore, to assume that the government response would have been better if Trump did not change the status quo, is just plain stupid.

See my first point.

You 're not bringing much to the table.

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Projection.

Do you have any sort of evidence that Obama's pandemic czar would not have made matters worse rather than better?

If not, then you mindless parroting of the Washington "Jimmy's World" Post is meaningless.

That's also a dumb post.

Can you prove Trump knows how to boil water?

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More proof that TDS makes you stupid.

I think you put the cart before the horse. Being stupid is the cause of TDS,

 

[Mike473]

I have never seen anything like what we are going through now in my lifetime. We are going to need draconian isolation and a shut down of just about everything for a short time. All sporting events have been canceled. Schools canceled indefinitely and so on. This is a once in a lifetime event we are living through right now.

I was born in the early 1970's and was lucky enough to grow up in the 1980's & 1990's. I used to talk to my father about his life and my grandfathers life. He would point out that World War 1, the 1929 stock market crash, the Great Depression and World War 2 all happened within about a 30 year period. One thing after another.

The 1980s and 1990's were easy cruising for my generation. Since 911, it has been so different. We are now in a different time with so many challenges. It is scary.

We will get through this crisis as we have done before.