Battle of Bakhmud won by Russia

[Litwin]

Bakhmut

 

[JohnDB]

Exactly....
Nobody wins a war. There's only one side that loses less. Putin needlessly started this crap and needs to be held accountable for it. I'm hoping that his own people will do that soon.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[gipper]

Exactly....
Nobody wins a war. There's only one side that loses less. Putin needlessly started this crap and needs to be held accountable for it. I'm hoping that his own people will do that soon.

Listen to this excellent interview and your knowledge of this war will increase exponentially.

 

[krichton]

Listen to this excellent interview and your knowledge of this war will increase exponentially.

Ah, RFK jr, beloved by both Steve bannon and Alex jones, and now the kremlin. He’s not an obvious useful idiot at all, nope.

 

[bodecea]

Russian artillery pounded the last routes out of Bakhmut on Friday, aiming to complete the encirclement of the besieged Ukrainian city and bring Moscow closer to its first major victory in half a year after the bloodiest battle of the war.


And that's that!

March 3 (Reuters) -

Kyiv says forces fighting on in 'utter hell' of Bakhmut battle

Ukraine said on Monday its troops were still fighting against the attempted encirclement of Bakhmut, while Washington said that even if the eastern city should fall to Russia's offensive, it would not necessarily give Moscow momentum in the war.

www.reuters.com

Oopsie....not quite.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

The most important development to come out of Russia’s slow months-long meatgrinding assault on this one small destroyed city … is not just that Russian militarily force is insufficient to defeat Ukrainian nationalism (backed by the West).

The bigger revelation is that Russia internally is beginning to fall apart. The open criticism and maneuvering between Wagner and the army and special security forces, the growing disillusionment of Russian “patriots” as well as of soldiers and their families back home — these indicate that Putin and the Russian state itself may not survive this contest in its present form.

Of course the Ukrainians are also suffering terribly, and the extent of opposition or fatigue among ordinary Ukrainians to the prospect of a “long war” (to retake Crimea and all the Donbas) is masked by media censorship in Ukraine and the crushing of opposition political organization during the so-called “war emergency.”

But from what little I can tell, the Ukrainian nationalists show few signs that their state, army or “will” will crack soon. So long as the prospect of Western aid remains, they will probably hold 80% of their country and make at least some gains in the coming months.

If Russia holds together and Putin survives, the “long war” will continue. A Trump victory in 2024 will help Putin immensely. Hopefully at some point both sides will exhaust themselves and a ceasefire will be achieved. If Putin goes down, my guess is there will be a return to gangster near anarchy in Russia, not a democratic renaissance — which is out of the question in the near term.

 

[Silver Cat]

The most important development to come out of Russia’s slow months-long meatgrinding assault on this one small destroyed city … is not just that Russian militarily force is insufficient to defeat Ukrainian nationalism (backed by the West).

The bigger revelation is that Russia internally is beginning to fall apart. The open criticism and maneuvering between Wagner and the army and special security forces, the growing disillusionment of Russian “patriots” as well as of soldiers and their families back home — these indicate that Putin and the Russian state itself may not survive this contest in its present form.

Of course the Ukrainians are also suffering terribly, and the extent of opposition or fatigue among ordinary Ukrainians to the prospect of a “long war” (to retake Crimea and all the Donbas) is masked by media censorship in Ukraine and the crushing of opposition political organization during the so-called “war emergency.”

But from what little I can tell, the Ukrainian nationalists show few signs that their state, army or “will” will crack soon. So long as the prospect of Western aid remains, they will probably hold 80% of their country and make at least some gains in the coming months.

If Russia holds together and Putin survives, the “long war” will continue. A Trump victory in 2024 will help Putin immensely. Hopefully at some point both sides will exhaust themselves and a ceasefire will be achieved. If Putin goes down, my guess is there will be a return to gangster near anarchy in Russia, not a democratic renaissance — which is out of the question in the near term.

And that's why
1. Russia prefers Russian counter-force nuclear attack against the USA to Russian acquiescence.
2. Russia prefers US acquiescence to Russian strike.

And, therefore, they will escalate. And Biden do nothing to defend America.

 

[Silver Cat]

I agree. Since there was never a chance Russia would win, why are they fighting at all?

Because it was more safe for them to attack rather than not to attack.
And it's more safe for them to escalate conflict from the level "military operation" to the level "local war", rather then allow Ukrainians, say, retake Melitopol.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Because it was more safe for them to attack rather than not to attack.
And it's more safe for them to escalate conflict from the level "military operation" to the level "local war", rather then allow Ukrainians, say, retake Melitopol.

Obviously, it is not safer for Russia to attack since it was under no threat of being attacked, and your continuing threats of using nuclear force just underline your understanding that Russia is losing this war and losing any hope of a prosperous future. Rapid warmongering imperialists such as yourself have succeeded in destroying Russia's future.

 

[badger2]

UK Blunders, continued

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It's Biden's proxy war. For the money that has already been spent, it would be possible to win a small war somewhere else. Or, to increase America's deterrence type I. Without this money, Ukraine would not have lasted a month.

Globilly Joe Jumped Off the Tallahatchie Bridge

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

And that's why
1. Russia prefers Russian counter-force nuclear attack against the USA to Russian acquiescence.
2. Russia prefers US acquiescence to Russian strike.

And, therefore, they will escalate. And Biden do nothing to defend America.

You are mumbling, a bit incoherently.

Who exactly is this “Russia” that “prefers … nuclear attack against the USA to Russian acquiesce”?

I don’t think this is true of Putin or his ”silovicki.” Not true of the Russian people either.

Your comment about the Biden Administration doing nothing to “defend America” from a hypothetical Russian nuclear attack … also seems to make little sense to me. Is it just cheap partisan b.s.?

That doesn’t mean nuclear war is impossible of course. The war in Ukraine, whether it leads to the collapse of Russia, a regional temporary Russian “victory” or “defeat” — all can in certain circumstances bring world war closer, or lead to “accidental” miscalculation and a nuclear holocaust.

At this point there are no certainties. All sides (in Ukraine, Russia, the West) and all Americans should be worried and cautious. Historic U.S. policies of expanding NATO and backing Ukrainian nationalists may have been mistaken, but now “the die has been cast” and the West must not simply abandon Ukraine to Putin’s tender mercies.

The Biden Administration has been rightly cautious in increasing its military aid to Kiev, but it has been drawn further into the quagmire by circumstances. I don’t believe the U.S. will escalate much further, but you are right that the Russians — out of a sense of desperation — might.

Remember most Western military experts did not really expect the Ukrainians to stop the initial Feb. 2020 Russian assault.

Behind the scenes, there are objective forces working toward a ceasefire or even a tentative “frozen conflict” (if neither side collapses), but no side at this point seems genuinely ready to make necessary compromises for “peace.”

 

[badger2]

30m ago: Theresa: "Big Serge, what is your take about Ukraine recent gain on the flank of Bahmut?"

Big Serge: "I'm not worried about it."

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

There is a little problem here. The Russians are not a horde of zombies, lead and totally controlled by a mighty necromancer. The Russians are Orks, and Putin is barely their leader.
You know:

Kiev Cavemen


That's how degenerate the Yukees are, seeing the world as told to them in mindless chaotic cartoons.

 

[badger2]

Globilly Joe Jumped Off the Tallahatchie Bridge

"....another sleepy dusty Dumkopf day."

 

[Silver Cat]

Obviously, it is not safer for Russia to attack since it was under no threat of being attacked, and your continuing threats of using nuclear force just underline your understanding that Russia is losing this war and losing any hope of a prosperous future. Rapid warmongering imperialists such as yourself have succeeded in destroying Russia's future.

They consider the very facts of NATO expansion, militarisation of the Eastern Europe, resurrection of Nazism in Baltic states and Ukraine as a clear and open threat. And when they see the threat - they eliminate it. When there is a choice between peace and war - they (as almost anyone else) choose peace. But if there is just a choice between "attack first" and "be attacked", they (as almost anyone else) choose "attack first", because it's safer. Previous time this mistake cost them 40 million lives. And they are not going to repeat it.
And no. It's not a war, yet. It's merely a "military operation".

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

They consider the very facts of NATO expansion, militarisation of the Eastern Europe, resurrection of Nazism in Baltic states and Ukraine as a clear and open threat. And when they see the threat - they eliminate it. When there is a choice between peace and war - they (as almost anyone else) choose peace. But if there is just a choice between "attack first" and "be attacked", they (as almost anyone else) choose "attack first", because it's safer. Previous time this mistake cost them 40 million lives. And they are not going to repeat it.
And no. It's not a war, yet. It's merely a "military operation".

Globalism Against Nationalism. If Russia Fails, WE'RE NEXT

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It isn't about Bakhmut - it's about Putin not willing to leave Ukraine to NATO.

Naturally, the incompetent Putin has assured the outcome he does not want with his rabid invasion.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They consider the very facts of NATO expansion, militarisation of the Eastern Europe, resurrection of Nazism in Baltic states and Ukraine as a clear and open threat.

*to their imperialism

Good, that's exactly what it is. And Russia has exposed itself.