Ben Sasse: "You're Being Scammed, Trump Supporters."

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Yeah, no kidding.

He's a Republican with a backbone, and not one of the slimeballs in the GOP lying to Trump's base for political expediency.

Some members of the House and the Senate are apparently going to object to counting the votes of some states that were won by Joe Biden. Just like the rest of Senate Republicans, I have been approached by many Nebraskans demanding that I join in this project.​

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Having been in private conversation with two dozen of my colleagues over the past few weeks, it seems useful to explain in public why I will not be participating in a project to overturn the election – and why I have been urging my colleagues also to reject this dangerous ploy. ...​

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2. IS THERE EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD SO WIDESPREAD THAT IT COULD HAVE CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?​

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No.​

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For President-Elect Biden’s 306-232 Electoral College victory to be overturned, President Trump would need to flip multiple states. But not a single state is in legal doubt. ...​

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3. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMS OF THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN?​

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I started with the courts for a reason. From where I sit, the single-most telling fact is that there a giant gulf between what President Trump and his allies say in public – for example, on social media, or at press conferences outside Philadelphia landscaping companies and adult bookstores – and what President Trump’s lawyers actually say in courts of law. And that’s not a surprise. Because there are no penalties for misleading the public. But there are serious penalties for misleading a judge, and the president’s lawyers know that – and thus they have repeated almost none of the claims of grand voter fraud that the campaign spokespeople are screaming at their most zealous supporters. So, here’s the heart of this whole thing: this isn’t really a legal strategy – it’s a fundraising strategy.​

​

Since Election Day, the president and his allied organizations have raised well over half a billion (billion!) dollars from supporters who have been led to believe that they’re contributing to a ferocious legal defense. But in reality, they’re mostly just giving the president and his allies a blank check that can go to their super-PACs, their next plane trip, their next campaign or project. That’s not serious governing. It’s swampy politics – and it shows very little respect for the sincere people in my state who are writing these checks. ...​

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5. BUT ISN’T IT IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST TO INVESTIGATE THESE CLAIMS MORE THOROUGHLY? DOESN’T IT HELP GUARANTEE THE LEGITIMACY OF OUR ELECTORAL PROCESS?​

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I take this argument seriously because actual voter fraud – and worries about voter fraud – are poison to self-government. So yes, we should investigate all specific claims, but we shouldn’t burn down the whole process along the way. Right now we are locked in a destructive, vicious circle:​

​

Step 1: Allege widespread voter fraud.​

Step 2: Fail to offer specific evidence of widespread fraud.​

Step 3: Demand investigation, on grounds that there are “allegations” of voter fraud. ...​

​

6. DO ANY OF YOUR COLLEAGUES DISAGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THIS?​

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When we talk in private, I haven’t heard a single Congressional Republican allege that the election results were fraudulent – not one. Instead, I hear them talk about their worries about how they will “look” to President Trump’s most ardent supporters.​

Senator Ben Sasse

Senator Ben Sasse. 57,959 likes · 10 talking about this. Fifth-generation Nebraskan, United States Senator representing the Cornhusker State. Contact Senator Sasse’s office here:...

www.facebook.com

Oh, and for those Trump worshippers who are going to yell "RINO!" RINO now means "Retarded In Name Only"

Sasse is typical of many republicans in the senate with safe seats

he just won reelection with 67% of the vote

so even if biden is the Thief in Chief and if democrats own the House and have a majority in the senate election cheating has not harmed him in any way

except that he is metely the ranking member of his senate committee instead of the chairman

he’ll make big noises about taking the senate back while the democrats run over the best interests of 74+ million voters

does sasse give a damn?

of course not

he’s personally too comfortable to care

The 2020 General Election was perfectly fair, honest, and legal – there was no ‘fraud,’ the election was not ‘stolen’ by Biden and the Democrats.

There are the facts; Sasse is appropriately acknowledging these facts.

That you and other Trump sycophants are so willfully ignorant doesn’t mean Sasse is wrong.

 

[bripat9643]

Yeah, no kidding.

He's a Republican with a backbone, and not one of the slimeballs in the GOP lying to Trump's base for political expediency.

Some members of the House and the Senate are apparently going to object to counting the votes of some states that were won by Joe Biden. Just like the rest of Senate Republicans, I have been approached by many Nebraskans demanding that I join in this project.​

​

Having been in private conversation with two dozen of my colleagues over the past few weeks, it seems useful to explain in public why I will not be participating in a project to overturn the election – and why I have been urging my colleagues also to reject this dangerous ploy. ...​

​

2. IS THERE EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD SO WIDESPREAD THAT IT COULD HAVE CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?​

​

No.​

​

For President-Elect Biden’s 306-232 Electoral College victory to be overturned, President Trump would need to flip multiple states. But not a single state is in legal doubt. ...​

​

3. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMS OF THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN?​

​

I started with the courts for a reason. From where I sit, the single-most telling fact is that there a giant gulf between what President Trump and his allies say in public – for example, on social media, or at press conferences outside Philadelphia landscaping companies and adult bookstores – and what President Trump’s lawyers actually say in courts of law. And that’s not a surprise. Because there are no penalties for misleading the public. But there are serious penalties for misleading a judge, and the president’s lawyers know that – and thus they have repeated almost none of the claims of grand voter fraud that the campaign spokespeople are screaming at their most zealous supporters. So, here’s the heart of this whole thing: this isn’t really a legal strategy – it’s a fundraising strategy.​

​

Since Election Day, the president and his allied organizations have raised well over half a billion (billion!) dollars from supporters who have been led to believe that they’re contributing to a ferocious legal defense. But in reality, they’re mostly just giving the president and his allies a blank check that can go to their super-PACs, their next plane trip, their next campaign or project. That’s not serious governing. It’s swampy politics – and it shows very little respect for the sincere people in my state who are writing these checks. ...​

​

5. BUT ISN’T IT IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST TO INVESTIGATE THESE CLAIMS MORE THOROUGHLY? DOESN’T IT HELP GUARANTEE THE LEGITIMACY OF OUR ELECTORAL PROCESS?​

​

I take this argument seriously because actual voter fraud – and worries about voter fraud – are poison to self-government. So yes, we should investigate all specific claims, but we shouldn’t burn down the whole process along the way. Right now we are locked in a destructive, vicious circle:​

​

Step 1: Allege widespread voter fraud.​

Step 2: Fail to offer specific evidence of widespread fraud.​

Step 3: Demand investigation, on grounds that there are “allegations” of voter fraud. ...​

​

6. DO ANY OF YOUR COLLEAGUES DISAGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THIS?​

​

When we talk in private, I haven’t heard a single Congressional Republican allege that the election results were fraudulent – not one. Instead, I hear them talk about their worries about how they will “look” to President Trump’s most ardent supporters.​

Senator Ben Sasse

Senator Ben Sasse. 57,959 likes · 10 talking about this. Fifth-generation Nebraskan, United States Senator representing the Cornhusker State. Contact Senator Sasse’s office here:...

www.facebook.com

Oh, and for those Trump worshippers who are going to yell "RINO!" RINO now means "Retarded In Name Only"

Sasse is a RINO. End of story.

 

[bripat9643]

Yeah, no kidding.

He's a Republican with a backbone, and not one of the slimeballs in the GOP lying to Trump's base for political expediency.

Some members of the House and the Senate are apparently going to object to counting the votes of some states that were won by Joe Biden. Just like the rest of Senate Republicans, I have been approached by many Nebraskans demanding that I join in this project.​

​

Having been in private conversation with two dozen of my colleagues over the past few weeks, it seems useful to explain in public why I will not be participating in a project to overturn the election – and why I have been urging my colleagues also to reject this dangerous ploy. ...​

​

2. IS THERE EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD SO WIDESPREAD THAT IT COULD HAVE CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?​

​

No.​

​

For President-Elect Biden’s 306-232 Electoral College victory to be overturned, President Trump would need to flip multiple states. But not a single state is in legal doubt. ...​

​

3. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMS OF THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN?​

​

I started with the courts for a reason. From where I sit, the single-most telling fact is that there a giant gulf between what President Trump and his allies say in public – for example, on social media, or at press conferences outside Philadelphia landscaping companies and adult bookstores – and what President Trump’s lawyers actually say in courts of law. And that’s not a surprise. Because there are no penalties for misleading the public. But there are serious penalties for misleading a judge, and the president’s lawyers know that – and thus they have repeated almost none of the claims of grand voter fraud that the campaign spokespeople are screaming at their most zealous supporters. So, here’s the heart of this whole thing: this isn’t really a legal strategy – it’s a fundraising strategy.​

​

Since Election Day, the president and his allied organizations have raised well over half a billion (billion!) dollars from supporters who have been led to believe that they’re contributing to a ferocious legal defense. But in reality, they’re mostly just giving the president and his allies a blank check that can go to their super-PACs, their next plane trip, their next campaign or project. That’s not serious governing. It’s swampy politics – and it shows very little respect for the sincere people in my state who are writing these checks. ...​

​

5. BUT ISN’T IT IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST TO INVESTIGATE THESE CLAIMS MORE THOROUGHLY? DOESN’T IT HELP GUARANTEE THE LEGITIMACY OF OUR ELECTORAL PROCESS?​

​

I take this argument seriously because actual voter fraud – and worries about voter fraud – are poison to self-government. So yes, we should investigate all specific claims, but we shouldn’t burn down the whole process along the way. Right now we are locked in a destructive, vicious circle:​

​

Step 1: Allege widespread voter fraud.​

Step 2: Fail to offer specific evidence of widespread fraud.​

Step 3: Demand investigation, on grounds that there are “allegations” of voter fraud. ...​

​

6. DO ANY OF YOUR COLLEAGUES DISAGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THIS?​

​

When we talk in private, I haven’t heard a single Congressional Republican allege that the election results were fraudulent – not one. Instead, I hear them talk about their worries about how they will “look” to President Trump’s most ardent supporters.​

Senator Ben Sasse

Senator Ben Sasse. 57,959 likes · 10 talking about this. Fifth-generation Nebraskan, United States Senator representing the Cornhusker State. Contact Senator Sasse’s office here:...

www.facebook.com

Oh, and for those Trump worshippers who are going to yell "RINO!" RINO now means "Retarded In Name Only"

Sasse is typical of many republicans in the senate with safe seats

he just won reelection with 67% of the vote

so even if biden is the Thief in Chief and if democrats own the House and have a majority in the senate election cheating has not harmed him in any way

except that he is metely the ranking member of his senate committee instead of the chairman

he’ll make big noises about taking the senate back while the democrats run over the best interests of 74+ million voters

does sasse give a damn?

of course not

he’s personally too comfortable to care

The 2020 General Election was perfectly fair, honest, and legal – there was no ‘fraud,’ the election was not ‘stolen’ by Biden and the Democrats.

There are the facts; Sasse is appropriately acknowledging these facts.

That you and other Trump sycophants are so willfully ignorant doesn’t mean Sasse is wrong.

 

[bripat9643]

Thing is if every contested vote was given to Trump he would still lose..that's what these idiots can't get through their pointed heads

For Trump to win, he would have to get not only the EC votes in several of the 5 states thrown out, which he hasn't gotten even one court to go along with, but to also grant an extra-judicial writ of mandamus to the states legislature for them to ignore their own state law, and vote a new slate of electors.

An unusual move after the Supreme Court used the "safe harbor" 3 U.S.C. 5 as the reason to grant an injunction to stop Florida from holding the recount their Supreme Court ordered.

They would not throw out 3 U.S.C. 5 in order to disqualify electors already legally chosen.

The recount that the FLSC ordered was a violation of their own Constitution, moron.

 

[schmidlap]

The 2020 General Election was perfectly fair, honest, and legal – there was no ‘fraud,’ the election was not ‘stolen’ by Biden and the Democrats.

There are the facts; Sasse is appropriately acknowledging these facts.

That you and other Trump sycophants are so willfully ignorant doesn’t mean Sasse is wrong.

The divisiveness that Putin hoped to exploit in America by interfering in the 2016 election to assist Trump is not a matter of Party affiliation, but of intellect vs emotion. The failed casino operator's cult is not driven by rational considerations.

 

[Mac1958]

He's trying to save his party. Now they think he's a commie.

Absolutely bizarre.

"Being a commie" now means "Not believing retarded conspiracy theories."

View attachment 435585

Reagan is spinning in his freakin' grave.

Same supporters, too. Holy shit.

 

[jc456]

Yeah, no kidding.

He's a Republican with a backbone, and not one of the slimeballs in the GOP lying to Trump's base for political expediency.

Some members of the House and the Senate are apparently going to object to counting the votes of some states that were won by Joe Biden. Just like the rest of Senate Republicans, I have been approached by many Nebraskans demanding that I join in this project.​

​

Having been in private conversation with two dozen of my colleagues over the past few weeks, it seems useful to explain in public why I will not be participating in a project to overturn the election – and why I have been urging my colleagues also to reject this dangerous ploy. ...​

​

2. IS THERE EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD SO WIDESPREAD THAT IT COULD HAVE CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?​

​

No.​

​

For President-Elect Biden’s 306-232 Electoral College victory to be overturned, President Trump would need to flip multiple states. But not a single state is in legal doubt. ...​

​

3. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMS OF THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN?​

​

I started with the courts for a reason. From where I sit, the single-most telling fact is that there a giant gulf between what President Trump and his allies say in public – for example, on social media, or at press conferences outside Philadelphia landscaping companies and adult bookstores – and what President Trump’s lawyers actually say in courts of law. And that’s not a surprise. Because there are no penalties for misleading the public. But there are serious penalties for misleading a judge, and the president’s lawyers know that – and thus they have repeated almost none of the claims of grand voter fraud that the campaign spokespeople are screaming at their most zealous supporters. So, here’s the heart of this whole thing: this isn’t really a legal strategy – it’s a fundraising strategy.​

​

Since Election Day, the president and his allied organizations have raised well over half a billion (billion!) dollars from supporters who have been led to believe that they’re contributing to a ferocious legal defense. But in reality, they’re mostly just giving the president and his allies a blank check that can go to their super-PACs, their next plane trip, their next campaign or project. That’s not serious governing. It’s swampy politics – and it shows very little respect for the sincere people in my state who are writing these checks. ...​

​

5. BUT ISN’T IT IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST TO INVESTIGATE THESE CLAIMS MORE THOROUGHLY? DOESN’T IT HELP GUARANTEE THE LEGITIMACY OF OUR ELECTORAL PROCESS?​

​

I take this argument seriously because actual voter fraud – and worries about voter fraud – are poison to self-government. So yes, we should investigate all specific claims, but we shouldn’t burn down the whole process along the way. Right now we are locked in a destructive, vicious circle:​

​

Step 1: Allege widespread voter fraud.​

Step 2: Fail to offer specific evidence of widespread fraud.​

Step 3: Demand investigation, on grounds that there are “allegations” of voter fraud. ...​

​

6. DO ANY OF YOUR COLLEAGUES DISAGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THIS?​

​

When we talk in private, I haven’t heard a single Congressional Republican allege that the election results were fraudulent – not one. Instead, I hear them talk about their worries about how they will “look” to President Trump’s most ardent supporters.​

Senator Ben Sasse

Senator Ben Sasse. 57,959 likes · 10 talking about this. Fifth-generation Nebraskan, United States Senator representing the Cornhusker State. Contact Senator Sasse’s office here:...

www.facebook.com

Oh, and for those Trump worshippers who are going to yell "RINO!" RINO now means "Retarded In Name Only"

 

[Ringtone]

Yep. Worshippers of the Orange Baboon-God have drunk far too deeply of the Kool-Aid to be salvageable. Perhaps they can be de-programmed.

They have a surfeit of sniveling to keep them fully occupied.

Orange Man Bad.

 

[meaner gene]

So there is a way to subvert democracy through some legal maneuver...scary.

One maneuver would let republicans continue to control the white house, but not the way Trump would wish. Legally if the house and senate question the votes of a state, they set aside all other business and they duscuss whether or not to accept their electors. Unless both the house and senate agree to throw the electors out, they get counted. This process can be drawn out or delayed by Mitch McConnell. And if it's still going on as of January 20th, then the order of presidential succession kicks in. Skipping the first two, due to the resignation requirement.

3 U.S.C. 19

the officer of the United States who is highest on the following list, and who is not under disability to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President shall act as President: Secretary of State, Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of Defense, Attorney General, Secretary of the Interior, Secretary of Agriculture, Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of Labor, Secretary of Health and Human Services, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Secretary of Transportation, Secretary of Energy, Secretary of Education, Secretary of Veterans Affairs, Secretary of Homeland Security.

(2)
An individual acting as President under this subsection shall continue so to do until the expiration of the then current Presidential term, but not after a qualified and prior-entitled individual is able to act, except that the removal of the disability of an individual higher on the list contained in paragraph (1) of this subsection or the ability to qualify on the part of an individual higher on such list shall not terminate his service.

This would make Mike Pompeo acting president, until such time as congress finishes counting the EC votes. Which could be delayed, but have to conclude in order for congress to pass a spending bill to avoid a government shutdown.

 

[meaner gene]

The recount that the FLSC ordered was a violation of their own Constitution, moron.

The Florida SC is the one that interprets the Florida Constitution, and they said it was legal.

 

[jc456]

He's trying to save his party. Now they think he's a commie.

Absolutely bizarre.

Most of the MAGAtards have no idea what a commie is. Even if you printed out the definition and handed it to them.

You’re one, there’s that

 

[Indeependent]

Senator Ben Sasse's voting record (politicsthatwork.com)
Senator Sasse opposes taxing businesses

I like him already!
Except that otherwise, he is an Open Borders scumbag.

 

[jc456]

So there is a way to subvert democracy through some legal maneuver...scary.

One maneuver would let republicans continue to control the white house, but not the way Trump would wish. Legally if the house and senate question the votes of a state, they set aside all other business and they duscuss whether or not to accept their electors. Unless both the house and senate agree to throw the electors out, they get counted. This process can be drawn out or delayed by Mitch McConnell. And if it's still going on as of January 20th, then the order of presidential succession kicks in. Skipping the first two, due to the resignation requirement.

3 U.S.C. 19

the officer of the United States who is highest on the following list, and who is not under disability to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President shall act as President: Secretary of State, Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of Defense, Attorney General, Secretary of the Interior, Secretary of Agriculture, Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of Labor, Secretary of Health and Human Services, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Secretary of Transportation, Secretary of Energy, Secretary of Education, Secretary of Veterans Affairs, Secretary of Homeland Security.

(2)
An individual acting as President under this subsection shall continue so to do until the expiration of the then current Presidential term, but not after a qualified and prior-entitled individual is able to act, except that the removal of the disability of an individual higher on the list contained in paragraph (1) of this subsection or the ability to qualify on the part of an individual higher on such list shall not terminate his service.

This would make Mike Pompeo acting president, until such time as congress finishes counting the EC votes. Which could be delayed, but have to conclude in order for congress to pass a spending bill to avoid a government shutdown.

This will get good

 

[Indeependent]

The 2020 General Election was perfectly fair, honest, and legal – there was no ‘fraud,’ the election was not ‘stolen’ by Biden and the Democrats.

There are the facts; Sasse is appropriately acknowledging these facts.

That you and other Trump sycophants are so willfully ignorant doesn’t mean Sasse is wrong.

The divisiveness that Putin hoped to exploit in America by interfering in the 2016 election to assist Trump is not a matter of Party affiliation, but of intellect vs emotion. The failed casino operator's cult is not driven by rational considerations.

intellect vs emotion
Intellect = R
Emotion = D

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Sasse is a RINO. End of story.

You're probably correct at this point because Sasse is an actual conservative and the Republican Party is no longer a conservative party.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

intellect vs emotion
Intellect = R
Emotion = D

Right, because concocting stolen election conspiracy theories is completely intellectual

 

[Indeependent]

Sasse is a RINO. End of story.

You're probably correct at this point because Sasse is an actual conservative and the Republican Party is no longer a conservative party.

Actual conservatives are not RINOs.

 

[Indeependent]

intellect vs emotion
Intellect = R
Emotion = D

Right, because concocting stolen election conspiracy theories is completely intellectual

When's the last time you wrote a program?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Sasse is a RINO. End of story.

You're probably correct at this point because Sasse is an actual conservative and the Republican Party is no longer a conservative party.

Actual conservatives are not RINOs.

Of course, they are. There are hardly any conservatives left in the Republican Party, hence, they are the Republicans In Name Only.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

intellect vs emotion
Intellect = R
Emotion = D

Right, because concocting stolen election conspiracy theories is completely intellectual

When's the last time you wrote a program?

I do work in IT, ya know.