Bergdahl A Deserter Not A Hero

[blackhawk]

The fact the solider's who served with Bergdahl don't speak highly of him is telling as for the risk of giving these five Taliban back were giving back five men who were important in making the Taliban the main power in Afghanistan for years and helped turn it into a safe haven and training ground for Al-Qaeda something it is highly likely they will try to do again.

meh, not really.

Frankly, there was no value to holding anyone at Gitmo at this point. If a criminal case could be made against them, we'd have done it by now.

The thing is, the minute we pull out, the Taliban and their allies in the Pakistani ISI will be back in power. It's a lot of regional bullshit that really doesn't matter to us. And it's unlikely they'd slit their own throats by hosting Al Qaeda again, given Al Qaeda has no desire to go back there, either.

Doesn't matter to us really? I recall several terrorist attacks against us coming from that region with the second 9-11 attack being the highlight that ended up meaning a great deal to us. How would they be slitting their own throats by again hosting Al-Qaeda? We will be all the way out in a couple of years and unless there is another major attack on U.S. soil planned and launched from Afghanistan were not sending troops back in they know this unless you get the Al- Qaeda newsletter I'm not sure where your getting this they have no desire to go back there from. They go wherever there is a power vacuum which is likely what Afghanistan will have when we are gone which makes it highly likely they will be back.

 

[1776]

This piece of shit deserter should rot to death in Leavenworth.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Obama is a disgrace. He's stomped on the Constitution the American people and the Military.
He should be impeached and jailed....at the very least.
It's like he's pushing the American people just to see how far he can go.
FUCK YOU OBAMA YOU FUCKING MUSLIM SYMPATHIZER!!

 

[RandallFlagg]

Uh no. I am black. You (most likely) are white. Both parents black. Both parents white. One black parent and one white parent equals a half breed.

Never bothered me to be called "******". He, I'm sure, is used to being called "half-breed".

That is reprehensible. My niece was not a "half breed", she was my niece.

My kids are half breeds and I don't think they take offense to the term. But then again, they aren't hung up on race like a lot of do-good, holier then thou, PC, liberals

Yep. This Nazi takes everything to the "racist" degree. Again, I have been called "******" most of my life (and many times by friends) who let it slip from time to time. While serving at the embassy in Moscow I was called that "****** Chief Warrant officer" on several occasions. Did I get upset and start yelling "racist"? Hell no. I always consider the ignorance of the fool calling me that.

My Father, one of the first Black brigadiers in the Air Force, used to tell me "Son, if you carry your feelings on your sleeve, you'll be constantly wiping your mouth with it".

A child born of inter-racial parents is, by genetics, a half-breed. Never said anything was wrong with it. Don't believe there is. Barry is a half-breed. he us NOT black. I have never understood why white folks INSIST on calling a half-breed "black". He/she is neither White Nor Black, but a mixture of both.

I so however, LOVE pissing liberal Nazis off!!!! Makes my day!!!!

 

[EriktheRed]

Seems to me you wingnuts might wanna take down any POW/MIA banners you got hanging up. After all, who knows what any of those guys might have been thinking when they disappeared.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Seems to me you wingnuts might wanna take down any POW/MIA banners you got hanging up. After all, who knows what any of those guys might have been thinking when they disappeared.

You have room to talk when Obama 'negotiates' Andrew Tahmooressi's release from Mexican prison.

 

[Synthaholic]

So wingnuts condemn Obama for killing an American with a drone without a trial, then turn around and condemn Bergdahl without a trial.

 

[Zander]

So wingnuts condemn Obama for killing an American with a drone without a trial, then turn around and condemn Bergdahl without a trial.

Of course he deserves a trial. A court martial will gather all known information and he will receive justice in accordance with the UCMJ. He appears to be a deserter.

Obama should also be held accountable. A Senate hearing is in order. He is not a king ya know.....

 

[tinydancer]

So wingnuts condemn Obama for killing an American with a drone without a trial, then turn around and condemn Bergdahl without a trial.

Bowe is alive isn't he? Obama didn't nuke him with a drone like he did the father and son.

By all means bring Bergdahl to trial after investigating his disappearance. There's a petition started by his former supervisor I believe on the White House web site.

His former mates are pissed. They are also calling for his court martial.

 

[tinydancer]

And they are coming out swinging. Susan Rice trying to make Bowe out to be a hero is going to blow up in her face.

'He left us. He willingly and premeditatedly deserted': Bergdahl's platoon-mates describe how he abandoned his post and call for freed POW to face COURT-MARTIAL

Specialist Cody Full, 25, says Bowe Bergdahl is 'a deserter at best, and a traitor at worst'

Specialist Gerald Sutton, 31, calls the newly rescued infantryman's decision to desert his unit 'premeditated'

Both men, who served with Bergdahl in Afghanistan, say he should be hauled into a military court to face the music

'He's not a hero. He's not a good example,' Full told MailOnline

'This might be kinda severe,' Sutton said, 'but for desertion in time of war, the penalty can be up to death'

Bergdahl's life has been under a microscope, with most accounts describing a soft-hearted infantryman who cared more for the Afghani people than he did for his Army mission

But Full says his odd demeanor also had a more worrisome side: Bergdahl asked one Army squad leader if he would be allowed to wear the face of his first Taliban 'kill' as a mask


'He should face a court-martial for desertion!': Two former Bowe Bergdahl platoon-mates say he put 'thousands' in danger when he abandoned his Army post | Mail Online

'He should face a court-martial for desertion!': Two former Bowe Bergdahl platoon-mates say he put 'thousands' in danger when he abandoned his Army post | Mail Online

 

[JoeB131]

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I just watched an interview with two soldiers who served with this ass clown. According to one of the soldiers (his last name is Full) and he says that he knew this clown was up to something because he sent all his possessions home directly before he walked off. Additionally, he was NOT on a patrol - he simply walked away - essentially deserting his post and his unit.

UCMJ action should be forthcoming (but I don't expect much from it - too many Nazi Congressmen and Senators) and he will most likely receive a dishonorable discharge.

No, more likely, the reason why won't prosecute this guy is because the war is over. Same reason why the Army didn't spend a lot of time prosecuting the hundreds of "Fraggings" that happened at the end of Vietnam. They figure that whatever the Taliban did to him was punishment enough, and they won't want to publicly talk about how this guy lost his shit after an armored vehicle ran over an Afghan kid.

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The BIGGER point to be made here is the five Taliban members that were traded for his worthless ass. 2010 NID Clapper stated they were "the worst of the worst". Now, two years later - they are just regular guys and they promise to be good.

This SCREAMS impeachment for this Taliban loving "president" of the United States. This man needs to be in prison for his actions while president.

Actually, what you need is some treatment for your ODS.

Reality check- again- the War with Afghanistan is over, and any post-war peace deal is going to count on the cooperation of the Taliban. Part of that means we are going to have to stop holding Taliban leaders in violation of the Geneva Convention.

 

[JoeB131]

Really now? You have very little if no cred here, and you're talking down to someone?

Jake? Hello?

Real America does not tolerate the far right, TK: yes, it's on the bottom with no cred. We have seen that in this thread.

Heh, and you know what "Real America" is.

NOt that I always agree with Jake, but Jake is a guy who served his country, holds down a good-paying job, and is active in his community.

Compared to a 26 year old who lives at home and doesn't hold down a job and spends all day talking about 'them welfare people".

 

[JoeB131]

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Then you should be familiar with Article 85 of the UCMJ then.

Yes, I'm familiar with it. And it doesn't answer my question-

WHY DIDN'T THE ARMY LIST HIM AS AWOL OR CHARGE HIM UNDER ARTICLE 85?

And it's a very simple answer.

Because then they would have gotten into a pissing contest with the family, who would complain to Congress that their son was a POW, and the Army was listing him as a criminal, and oh, yeah, here's the e-mail from our son detailing some of the atrocities his unit was committing, like that kid they ran over.

So all the Faux News Huffing and Puffing doesn't change the fact this guy will probably get an honorable discharge and maybe a POW medal.

 

[bedowin62]

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Then you should be familiar with Article 85 of the UCMJ then.

Yes, I'm familiar with it. And it doesn't answer my question-

WHY DIDN'T THE ARMY LIST HIM AS AWOL OR CHARGE HIM UNDER ARTICLE 85?

And it's a very simple answer.

Because then they would have gotten into a pissing contest with the family, who would complain to Congress that their son was a POW, and the Army was listing him as a criminal, and oh, yeah, here's the e-mail from our son detailing some of the atrocities his unit was committing, like that kid they ran over.

So all the Faux News Huffing and Puffing doesn't change the fact this guy will probably get an honorable discharge and maybe a POW medal.

who is surprised to find your lame ass defending a deserter?

 

[JoeB131]

Obama may also be guilty of treason by releasing known enemy assets back to the enemy. That constitutes giving "comfort" to the enemy during an ongoing conflict. I know, I know, you'll suggest that there needs to be "intent that such comfort be used by or for the enemy." But I contend that intent not be needed for this to be treason. By making a deal with the enemy, by giving them 5 of their most dangerous members during a time of war, you have committed treason.

I'm sorry, when did we declare war on the Taliban?

the problem here is that all these guys we are holding at Gitmo, especially the Taliban, we are holding in violation of the Geneva Conventions.

Also, we are not releasing them "back to the enemy". We are sending them to Qatar, a neutral power which is brokering a peace treaty.

Here's the problem you wingnuts and Chicken-hawks have. Nobody wants to keep fighting the Afghanistan War. Heck, Obama had to struggle to extend it this long.

 

[bedowin62]

he walked away from his post without his weapon

in what Army does that make you a hero?

maybe the Left's Army

 

[bedowin62]

Obama may also be guilty of treason by releasing known enemy assets back to the enemy. That constitutes giving "comfort" to the enemy during an ongoing conflict. I know, I know, you'll suggest that there needs to be "intent that such comfort be used by or for the enemy." But I contend that intent not be needed for this to be treason. By making a deal with the enemy, by giving them 5 of their most dangerous members during a time of war, you have committed treason.

I'm sorry, when did we declare war on the Taliban?

the problem here is that all these guys we are holding at Gitmo, especially the Taliban, we are holding in violation of the Geneva Conventions.

Also, we are not releasing them "back to the enemy". We are sending them to Qatar, a neutral power which is brokering a peace treaty.

Here's the problem you wingnuts and Chicken-hawks have. Nobody wants to keep fighting the Afghanistan War. Heck, Obama had to struggle to extend it this long.

they are not in violation of the Geneva Convention; the Taliban are recognized as an illegitimate government

 

[JoeB131]

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Doesn't matter to us really? I recall several terrorist attacks against us coming from that region with the second 9-11 attack being the highlight that ended up meaning a great deal to us. How would they be slitting their own throats by again hosting Al-Qaeda? We will be all the way out in a couple of years and unless there is another major attack on U.S. soil planned and launched from Afghanistan were not sending troops back in they know this unless you get the Al- Qaeda newsletter I'm not sure where your getting this they have no desire to go back there from. They go wherever there is a power vacuum which is likely what Afghanistan will have when we are gone which makes it highly likely they will be back.

The main reason why Al Qaeda (or what is left of it) won't go back there is because they never liked it there. Our intelligence agencies discovered most of the Arabs that made up Al Qaeda in the 1990's HATED Afghanistan. Bad climate, no amenities, no media or internet.

Oh, yeah, and we can pretty much rain down death on them with drones at this point.

The Taliban knows they fucked up by letting Bin Laden stay. There's really no good reason to get in the middle of that mess.

Again. Bit of Perspective. The same wingnuts mewled about Domino Theories and all that when we left South Vietnam to it's fate... and then. Nothing. Vietnam just got on with their lives after we left.

 

[JoeB131]

Obama may also be guilty of treason by releasing known enemy assets back to the enemy. That constitutes giving "comfort" to the enemy during an ongoing conflict. I know, I know, you'll suggest that there needs to be "intent that such comfort be used by or for the enemy." But I contend that intent not be needed for this to be treason. By making a deal with the enemy, by giving them 5 of their most dangerous members during a time of war, you have committed treason.

I'm sorry, when did we declare war on the Taliban?

the problem here is that all these guys we are holding at Gitmo, especially the Taliban, we are holding in violation of the Geneva Conventions.

Also, we are not releasing them "back to the enemy". We are sending them to Qatar, a neutral power which is brokering a peace treaty.

Here's the problem you wingnuts and Chicken-hawks have. Nobody wants to keep fighting the Afghanistan War. Heck, Obama had to struggle to extend it this long.

they are not in violation of the Geneva Convention; the Taliban are recognized as an illegitimate government

Well, then, why haven't we charged them with crimes and put them on trial?

Oh, yeah. Because we can't.

 

[JoeB131]

he walked away from his post without his weapon

in what Army does that make you a hero?

maybe the Left's Army

Nobody said the guy was a hero.

I frankly kind of feel bad for the guy. Like Bradley Manning and Nidal Hasan, this guy had no business ever being in a uniform, but the Army put him in one, anyway. And it's pretty clear he lost his shit over there.

I don't judge. Every person has his breaking point, this guy met his.