Biden pressured Afghan president to "Create the perception that the Taliban wasn't winning".

[CowboyTed]

He just wanted Americans to think he was doing great, essentially lying to Americans to improve his image.

Because let's face it, why else would be do that? Surely it wasn't for the afghans, their president would be saying there is Taliban on tv as the people watched the Taliban take over.

So he just assumed Americans would be stupid and believe that everything was going great over there and that Biden did the impossible by bringing peace to the middle east or some other such shit.

There is nothing wrong here... Please stop thinking from the American side and think from Afghan side

They knew they were going to loose, just how badly was in question...

If Biden and Afghan President came out and said they are loosing the war, this is the same as raising white flag. Mass surrender from the Afghan army overnite.

Taliban would have no opposition...

Trump had signed a very bad deal. It was surrender and he took his troops out of Afghanistan before terms of the surrender could be executed...

Biden had only small preccence in Afghanistan and huge Taliban Army rising the day he took charge

If he had even a sizeable army on the field he could have negotiated a withdrawal to include safe passage for US Citizens and friendlies..


So why did Trump's withdrawal agreement include safe passage for Foreigners(e.g. US Citizens) and US Friendlies?

 

[kyzr]

There is nothing wrong here... Please stop thinking from the American side and think from Afghan side

They knew they were going to loose, just how badly was in question...

If Biden and Afghan President came out and said they are loosing the war, this is the same as raising white flag. Mass surrender from the Afghan army overnite.

Taliban would have no opposition...

Trump had signed a very bad deal. It was surrender and he took his troops out of Afghanistan before terms of the surrender could be executed...

Biden had only small preccence in Afghanistan and huge Taliban Army rising the day he took charge

If he had even a sizeable army on the field he could have negotiated a withdrawal to include safe passage for US Citizens and friendlies..


So why did Trump's withdrawal agreement include safe passage for Foreigners(e.g. US Citizens) and US Friendlies?

1. The AFG army was far superior to the Taliban, Xiden said so. They were 300,000 strong to the Taliban's 75,000, plus the AFGs had $85b of the US's most modern equipment. No fucking way the AFGs should have lost, they surrendered.

2. The Trump deal was "condition based", it was a very good deal, power sharing or keep fighting. Xiden fucked up the Trump deal. Xiden brought back 7,000 US troops in a few days. With Bagram, Trump or Xiden could have reinforced to any size needed.

3. Your last sentence is correct, if the "conditions" were met then withdraw, if not keep the Taliban at bay with air power until the Taliban want to stop fighting, which may have never happened.

 

[Dragonlady]

And yet he left the weapons for the Taliban to take.

Biden told Afghan president they needed to 'change perception' of war

In the last phone call between Joe Biden and his Afghan counterpart the American president said they needed to change perceptions of the Taliban's rapid advance 'whether it is true or not.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

If you clowns didn't have Questionable Sources, you wouldn't have sources:

Questionable Reasoning: Right, Propaganda, Conspiracy, Some Fake News, Numerous Failed Fact Checks

Daily Mail - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

 

[kyzr]

If you clowns didn't have Questionable Sources, you wouldn't have sources:

Sources?? Pick any you prefer. The "transcripts" were "leaked", like for Trump. Xiden's phone call wasn't "perfect", he told Ghani to LIE, which fucked US citizens in AFG. Xiden is a lying POS moron, who belongs in a home, not in the WH.

Biden pressured Afghan president to LIE about Taliban's strength, call shows

JOE Biden pressured the former Afghan president to create a “perception” that the government could beat the Taliban, the shocking transcript of a call has revealed. In the last call bet…

www.thesun.co.uk

Biden pressured Ghani to create âperceptionâ Taliban werenât winning

Biden pressured Ghani to create ‘perception’ Taliban weren’t winning

canadafreepress.com

Just In: Bombshell! Leaked Transcripts Reveal Biden Pressured Then-Afghan President Ghani to Lie About Taliban Advances to Downplay Crisis | The Gateway Pundit | by Julian Conradson

As if it wasn’t bad enough for Sleepy Joe already, even the Deep State has begun to throw him under the bus for his incompetency in Afghanistan. On Tuesday, Reuters obtained leaked transcripts of Biden’s final call with Ashraf Ghani – the recently departed president of Afghanistan – before the...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Biden pressed Afghan president to change 'perception' that Taliban was winning, 'whether true or not'

President Biden stressed the need for changing the "perception" of the Taliban’s progress in Afghanistan, "whether it is true or not," during a phone call with former Afghan President Ashraf Ghani less than four weeks before Kabul collapsed, according to a new report.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Vel]

Sources?? Pick any you prefer. The "transcripts" were "leaked", like for Trump. Xiden's phone call wasn't "perfect", he told Ghani to LIE, which fucked US citizens in AFG. Xiden is a lying POS moron, who belongs in a home, not in the WH.

Biden pressured Afghan president to LIE about Taliban's strength, call shows

JOE Biden pressured the former Afghan president to create a “perception” that the government could beat the Taliban, the shocking transcript of a call has revealed. In the last call bet…

www.thesun.co.uk

Biden pressured Ghani to create âperceptionâ Taliban werenât winning

Biden pressured Ghani to create ‘perception’ Taliban weren’t winning

canadafreepress.com

Just In: Bombshell! Leaked Transcripts Reveal Biden Pressured Then-Afghan President Ghani to Lie About Taliban Advances to Downplay Crisis | The Gateway Pundit | by Julian Conradson

As if it wasn’t bad enough for Sleepy Joe already, even the Deep State has begun to throw him under the bus for his incompetency in Afghanistan. On Tuesday, Reuters obtained leaked transcripts of Biden’s final call with Ashraf Ghani – the recently departed president of Afghanistan – before the...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Biden pressed Afghan president to change 'perception' that Taliban was winning, 'whether true or not'

President Biden stressed the need for changing the "perception" of the Taliban’s progress in Afghanistan, "whether it is true or not," during a phone call with former Afghan President Ashraf Ghani less than four weeks before Kabul collapsed, according to a new report.

www.foxnews.com

You'd think she'd have read one of those enough to realize that this is a Reuters story.

 

[JoeB131]

He knew and rather than work to improve circumstances or change his course, he worked to get others to lie for him.

"A transcript obtained by Reuters reveals two leaders oblivious to the impending disaster and an American president focused on spinning the message.

'I need not tell you the perception around the world and in parts of Afghanistan, I believe, is that things are not going well in terms of the fight against the Taliban,' Biden said.

'And there is a need, whether it is true or not, there is a need to project a different picture.'"

Not seeing a problem here. He was telling Ghani to get his act together and project leadership. Unfortunately, Ghani wasn't capable of doing that.

Ghani responded by saying Afghanistan was facing not just the Taliban, but their foreign backers.

'We are facing a full-scale invasion, composed of Taliban, full Pakistani planning and logistical support, and at least 10-15,000 international terrorists, predominantly Pakistanis thrown into this,' he said.

But he also asked that American close air support be 'frontloaded' to help with the challenges faced by the Afghan army immediately. "

Hey, ever have the co-worker who always has an excuse about why things go wrong, always blames someone else and never takes responsibility.

That's Mr. Ghani.

This is a guy who had a four to one numerical advantage, the best equipment in the world and air support from the US, and STILL managed to lose to a bunch of goat herders.

 

[JoeB131]

Sources?? Pick any you prefer. The "transcripts" were "leaked", like for Trump. Xiden's phone call wasn't "perfect", he told Ghani to LIE, which fucked US citizens in AFG. Xiden is a lying POS moron, who belongs in a home, not in the WH.

He told Ghani to take charge of the situation, which Ghani was clearly incapable of.

The difference is, Biden was trying to get a foreign leader to do his job for the good of his country.

Trump was trying to get a foreign leader to dig up dirt on a political rival.

Sorry you can't see the difference.

 

[JoeB131]

1. The AFG army was far superior to the Taliban, Xiden said so. They were 300,000 strong to the Taliban's 75,000, plus the AFGs had $85b of the US's most modern equipment. No fucking way the AFGs should have lost, they surrendered.

All that equipment and numbers only do you good if you want to fight.

So you are asking an Afghan Soldier, most of whom were local militias, to shoot the people he grew up with, maybe people whose father fought the Soviets along side your father.

This is the problem with a "Forever War", eventually, people just don't want to fight it. Shit, if I were an Afghan Soldier, I wouldn't lay down my life for someone as feckless as Ghani....

2. The Trump deal was "condition based", it was a very good deal, power sharing or keep fighting. Xiden fucked up the Trump deal. Xiden brought back 7,000 US troops in a few days. With Bagram, Trump or Xiden could have reinforced to any size needed.

Trump's deal was an abject surrender that just put the giving up after the election. In returns, we stopped airstriking the Taliban, we pulled out our troops and we released 5000 Taliban fighters....

3. Your last sentence is correct, if the "conditions" were met then withdraw, if not keep the Taliban at bay with air power until the Taliban want to stop fighting, which may have never happened.

Except Trump stopped the airstrikes.

 

[kyzr]

He told Ghani to take charge of the situation, which Ghani was clearly incapable of.

The difference is, Biden was trying to get a foreign leader to do his job for the good of his country.

Trump was trying to get a foreign leader to dig up dirt on a political rival.

Sorry you can't see the difference.

1. He told Ghani to LIE.
2. Lying did NOT help his country or the US, it turned AFG into a catastrophe
3. Trump wanted a legitimate investigation, not a lie.

AFG was Xiden's catastrophe, Syria/ISIS was Trump's victory, see the difference?

 

[JoeB131]

1. He told Ghani to LIE.
2. Lying did NOT help his country or the US, it turned AFG into a catastrophe
3. Trump wanted a legitimate investigation, not a lie.

AFG was Xiden's catastrophe, Syria/ISIS was Trump's victory, see the difference?

Right. Somehow, I don't think turning Syria and Iraq over to the Iranians was a victory. It's only a matter of time before the Zionists insist on dragging us into another war.

Wow... So you think that leaders who inspire their troops are not helping their country? Really?

Trump wanted someone to dig up dirt on Biden's son. If he wanted a "legitimate" investigation, he has a whole Justice Department to do that. Except they told him it was bullshit and not to waste their time.

 

[Vel]

Right. Somehow, I don't think turning Syria and Iraq over to the Iranians was a victory. It's only a matter of time before the Zionists insist on dragging us into another war.

Wow... So you think that leaders who inspire their troops are not helping their country? Really?

Trump wanted someone to dig up dirt on Biden's son. If he wanted a "legitimate" investigation, he has a whole Justice Department to do that. Except they told him it was bullshit and not to waste their time.

Except it wasn't bullshit and now the compromised bastard is paying them back by allowing U.S weapons to fall into their hands as well as handing them Bagram Airbase.

 

[kyzr]

Right. Somehow, I don't think turning Syria and Iraq over to the Iranians was a victory. It's only a matter of time before the Zionists insist on dragging us into another war.

Wow... So you think that leaders who inspire their troops are not helping their country? Really?

Trump wanted someone to dig up dirt on Biden's son. If he wanted a "legitimate" investigation, he has a whole Justice Department to do that. Except they told him it was bullshit and not to waste their time.

1. Link that Iran will get Iraq and Syria. That's nonsense.
2. There is a difference between strategic thinking and action, and ignoring the facts on the ground and lying about it. Really. The AFGs needed help to keep the Taliban at bay and the AFG army together, epic fail. Really.
3. Lying to the troops is not "inspiring" them.
4. Burisma is in Ukraine. The US DOJ doesn't investigate in Ukraine. $86,000 a month for a no-show job for a stupid druggie isn't "bullshit", neither is Xiden's extortion tape where he leverages $1b in US aid to fire the prosecutor.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Impeach.

Invoke the 25th. Impeachment is not good enough at this point.

 

[Oldestyle]

There is nothing wrong here... Please stop thinking from the American side and think from Afghan side

They knew they were going to loose, just how badly was in question...

If Biden and Afghan President came out and said they are loosing the war, this is the same as raising white flag. Mass surrender from the Afghan army overnite.

Taliban would have no opposition...

Trump had signed a very bad deal. It was surrender and he took his troops out of Afghanistan before terms of the surrender could be executed...

Biden had only small preccence in Afghanistan and huge Taliban Army rising the day he took charge

If he had even a sizeable army on the field he could have negotiated a withdrawal to include safe passage for US Citizens and friendlies..


So why did Trump's withdrawal agreement include safe passage for Foreigners(e.g. US Citizens) and US Friendlies?

With all due respect, Trump hadn't lost an American service member in Afghanistan in a year and a half even with the troop draw down he'd orchestrated! The problem wasn't with the "deal" that Trump signed with the Taliban...the problem is with how Joe Biden mishandled EVERYTHING over there from the time he got into office until now! Those 13 American Marines didn't need to die. That's on Joe Biden.

 

[Oldestyle]

Right. Somehow, I don't think turning Syria and Iraq over to the Iranians was a victory. It's only a matter of time before the Zionists insist on dragging us into another war.

Wow... So you think that leaders who inspire their troops are not helping their country? Really?

Trump wanted someone to dig up dirt on Biden's son. If he wanted a "legitimate" investigation, he has a whole Justice Department to do that. Except they told him it was bullshit and not to waste their time.

Like anyone has to "dig" very hard to find dirt on Hunter Biden, Joe! Good luck peddling a narrative that paints Joe Biden's drug addled son as anything other than a corrupt opportunist enabled by his politically connected dad! If we had Main Stream Media that was doing it's job all of that would have been exposed before the election and we wouldn't have a drooling buffoon leading us now! That didn't happen because the Main Stream Media protected Biden and killed that story!

 

[easyt65]

And yet he left the weapons for the Taliban to take.

Biden told Afghan president they needed to 'change perception' of war

In the last phone call between Joe Biden and his Afghan counterpart the American president said they needed to change perceptions of the Taliban's rapid advance 'whether it is true or not.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

Bidenis good at all kinds of methods to 'pressure' people...like extortion. Just ask the former Ukraine PM...

 

[SavannahMann]

When the Japanese attacked the Philippines during World War Two, the Officers were instructed by MacArthur to downplay the damage to the American Fleet at Pearl Harbor. Maintain the story that the Aide was coming. This Aide was this impossibly long convoy of supplies and personnel to relieve the forces in the Philippines.

This lie was told to try and prevent the feelings of hopelessness that would inevitably occur when the troops knew their defeat was certain.

Was MacArthur a Terrible General who intentionally lied to save his image with the Americans?

When Carter was President people did not believe the official assessments that Three Mile Island was under control and would not explode. Carter himself went there and stood before the plant to repeat this claim. Carter was putting his money where his mouth was.

I personally believe lying to the troops to motivate them is stupid. But I also understand the urge and desire to do so. History now shows that the Afghan Army collapsed so quickly and completely that propaganda had no chance. It was not going to stiffen the spines of the Afghan Soldiers. If some of the units had fought. Perhaps. But it is a thin reed and one of desperation.

I can see why Biden asked for it. I can see his motivation. I disagree with the tactic. History shows it doesn’t work for long and in the case of the troops in the Philippines Moral crashed much harder when the troops discovered that the Aide was in the same category as Santa or the Tooth Fairy.

 

[JoeB131]

1. Link that Iran will get Iraq and Syria. That's nonsense.

They already have them.

Iran Strengthens Military Presence in Eastern Syria

Experts say Iran broadening its presence in Iraq, Syria and beyond

www.voanews.com

How US military pullback in Iraq could benefit Iran

The withdrawal of remaining US combat troops could help Iran achieve its ambitions.

www.bbc.com

2. There is a difference between strategic thinking and action, and ignoring the facts on the ground and lying about it. Really. The AFGs needed help to keep the Taliban at bay and the AFG army together, epic fail. Really.

No, they didn't need "help", They had a 4-1 numerical advantage... what they needed was leadership that Ghani didn't provide.

3. Lying to the troops is not "inspiring" them.

So you are in a foxhole (who am I kidding, you've never served), and who is going to inspire you more? The guy who says, "We are going to beat these guys" or the guy who says, "We are all gonna die!!!"

4. Burisma is in Ukraine. The US DOJ doesn't investigate in Ukraine. $86,000 a month for a no-show job for a stupid druggie isn't "bullshit", neither is Xiden's extortion tape where he leverages $1b in US aid to fire the prosecutor.

Wow, what is this right wing disease that you keep repeating debunked claims.

The US Congress, the EU and the IMF all DEMANDED this corrupt prosecutor be fired before Ukraine would get any more money because his corruption was so rampant, two of his deputies were found with houses filled with diamonds and foreign currency.

Lot's of company spend a lot of money putting big names on their boards for no-show jobs. It's a common practice. Shouldn't be, but it is. The only reason why Hunter took jobs in the Ukraine is he couldn't take them in the US while Dad was Veep.

 

[JoeB131]

Like anyone has to "dig" very hard to find dirt on Hunter Biden, Joe! Good luck peddling a narrative that paints Joe Biden's drug addled son as anything other than a corrupt opportunist enabled by his politically connected dad! If we had Main Stream Media that was doing it's job all of that would have been exposed before the election and we wouldn't have a drooling buffoon leading us now! That didn't happen because the Main Stream Media protected Biden and killed that story!

The laptop was Russian Disinformation, buddy.

Sorry you don't get that.

 

[struth]

release the transcript! xiden lied people died