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It's quite relevant.Irrelevant to my point. You're still attempting to say, "Orange Man worse", then hoping against hope that will provide cover for Quid Pro. Either it's okay for a president and/or a VP to take such documents with them when they leave office or it's not. If it is, leave TRUMP! alone, and if it's not, condemn Quid Pro. It's really that simple.
Did the court that was handling this case order the DOJ to raid his home? No, they did not. A legal battle was taking place. It was unfinished, yet Biden had the DOJ go after Trump anyway.Out of nowhere?
Trump's lawyers were engaged in legal arguments with NARA lawyers, DoJ lawyers for more than a year. If he believed it wouldn't be an issue, he was proven wrong almost immediately after leaving office. He even received a grand jury subpoena which he refused to comply with.
At any point in time, informing anyone that these documents were declassified would have changed the conversation. The only rational explanation for the decision not to do so is that Trump doesn't actually want these documents declassified.
True enough, and that actually weakens the case that Quid Pro was justified in taking them, but I don't expect the usual suspects to acknowledge that. First, we have to bring everyone to the table to agree that it's either justified or not justified for the POTUS or VP to take such documents with them when they leave office. Right now, they're dancing desperately around, trying to simultaneous justify Quid Pro doing it while condemning TRUMP!. Somehow, they're trying to maintain Orange Man Bad but Tator okay.No, Biden wasn't the president at the time.
Yeah. That makes a lot of sense.Out of nowhere?
Trump's lawyers were engaged in legal arguments with NARA lawyers, DoJ lawyers for more than a year. If he believed it wouldn't be an issue, he was proven wrong almost immediately after leaving office. He even received a grand jury subpoena which he refused to comply with.
At any point in time, informing anyone that these documents were declassified would have changed the conversation. The only rational explanation for the decision not to do so is that Trump doesn't actually want these documents declassified.
No, you're deliberately avoiding the point, which is taking the documents in the first place. It's either justified or not.It's quite relevant.
Trump would have never been in trouble had he just turned the documents over right away. The legal battle is what made it such a big deal.
Refusing to turn over the documents is what makes it worse. You want to ignore that, but it just reveals dishonesty on your part.
Who knows? One would hope not, but with Quid Pro, one can never really be sure, can one?Did Pedo Joe feed nuclear secrets to his buddy Putin from his stolen top secret documemts?
Name the Presidents who were served with a subpoena.Out of nowhere?
Trump's lawyers were engaged in legal arguments with NARA lawyers, DoJ lawyers for more than a year. If he believed it wouldn't be an issue, he was proven wrong almost immediately after leaving office. He even received a grand jury subpoena which he refused to comply with.
At any point in time, informing anyone that these documents were declassified would have changed the conversation. The only rational explanation for the decision not to do so is that Trump doesn't actually want these documents declassified.
...I have been seeing a lot of people claiming this, so lets examine the differences.
"Biden's team reported it immediately, unlike Trump"
Correction, Biden's LAWYER who randomly found the documents reported it immediately. Why? Because he is a lawyer who knows that if he didnt do that, he would now be a part of this crime too. He isnt going to take the fall for The Big Guy. He already knows that the Biden's are going to be heavily investigated. He undoubtedly wants no part of that. Also, reporting it now doesnt mean that the crime of taking them in the first place wasnt committed. Admitting to murder doesnt mean you wont get in trouble for it.
"Biden only had 10 documents while Trump had 100"
Trump had a bunch of random stuff, like letters from Kim Jong Un. The amount of documents is irrelevant. Its either a crime to take documents or it isnt. Furthermore, according to CNN, Biden had material with the SCI classification, which is higher than Top Secret. This is the order of classification from lowest to highest... Classified, Secret, Top Secret, SCI. Also, its important to point out that Hillary had HUNDREDS of documents. Way more than Trump.
"Biden didnt know he had them, while Trump did know and he still refused to give them up."
You would have to be a fool to think that Biden didnt know. Aint no one gonna believe that horseshit. Biden also didnt have declassification powers as VP. Trump can declassify at will. I know you democrats will say "nuh uh", but you cant prove my statement wrong beyond that. Worse case scenario is that a legal debate will take place to determine if presidents can do what Trump did, but currently it isnt illegal. Biden taking them however is HIGHLY illegal and it isnt legally debatable.
More differences im seeing are the fact that we knew immediately in real time about Trumps documents. Bidens document scandal was hidden for 2 months. It was hidden right before the midterm elections in fact. I think we can all agree that there isnt a chance in fucking hell that Biden's homes will get raided by the FBI, unlike Trump. Hillary didnt get raided either, nor did Bill Clinton. No classified documents went missing with the Clintons.
None of them ever needed to. Trump needs it.Name the Presidents who were served with a subpoena.
And which ones honored said subpoena.
Gotcha!
We are. The president answers to us. Why do you think we elect them?What the hell made you think he had to report to an authority? There is no authority higher than the president! Also, this is my favorite part when you guys make this silly claim... lets see the law you are referring to that says the President must report to an authority. It doesnt exist, dipshit.
Trump's Phone call with Zelensky { thanking him for makingWho knows? One would hope not, but with Quid Pro, one can never really be sure, can one?
Where exactly is the hypocrisy? Biden did not steal documents, so it's a false equivalency. Come on man, get it together.I dont find your argument very compelling. I dont blame you though. I knew when i made this thread it would be impossible for you dems to form an effective counter debate. No one can effectively defend hypocrisy.
No, Trump doesnt need to honor a subpoena. In fact, Trump told them to suck his dick and then dems IMMEDIATELY rescinded their subpoena. Its was super embarrassing for dems, but hilarious to us on the right.None of them ever needed to. Trump needs it.
Biden stole documents, then put them in his private office in a closet at his personal think tank, funded by the Chinese government. Keep up with the news man! You are looking foolish right now.Where exactly is the hypocrisy? Biden did not steal documents, so it's a false equivalency. Come on man, get it together.
None of them ever needed to. Trump needs it.
Says who ... unenlightened tree hugger.None of them ever needed to. Trump needs it.
Except it was always construed as blackmail with conditions and a campaign violation. Whe said it was not construed as such? You?Trump's Phone call with Zelensky { thanking him for making
Ukrainian President } was NEVER { not for a second } construed
as some Quid Pro Quo { which became the basis for Trump's
Initial Impeachment.}
The Left used the excuse of Quid Pro Quo.because that's
all the Left has.Being that the Left Does Not Value TRUTH.
There is zero evidence of that, confirming your thread is total bs. Stop the fucking lying ass hole. Show us proof he stole documents. NOW! Not tomorrow, NOW.Biden stole documents and put them in his private office in a closet. Pay attention!
From his Bunker when Campaigning in fall of 2020.We are. The president answers to us. Why do you think we elect them?
Here we go folks with these Gargoyle mfing lying miserable pos phonies like Struth who can't prove shit.Xiden purposely keep the documents hidden for 6 years in a unsecured office that the Chinese paid for. Trump keep in contact with the NA, and was actively working with them to ensure they got what they wanted, and he was able to keep what was personal. These documents were in his personal compound, guarded by armed federal agents, and the NA had complete access to them. Moreover, the location Trump's documents were, was a location that had a SCIF onsite, so it wasn't a surprise to have top secret documents there. Unlike Xiden's Chineses funded office, where someone had to have taken these highly classified documents to, and they had no business ever being at.
