Boom!!!! Judge in Manafort case says Mueller only wants to hurt Trump

[Hutch Starskey]

The judge cannot "find" that in any way.
Rosenstein decides how broad the investigation will be. Not the judge.

Mueller did exactly what he was authorized to do.

Prosecutors: Rosenstein gave Mueller OK to probe, indict Manafort

"The May 17, 2017 [appointment] order was worded categorically in order to permit its release without confirming specific investigations involving specific individuals," Rosenstein wrote in the Aug. 2, 2017 memo. "The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment and are within the scope of the Order: ... Allegations that Paul Manafort: Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law. Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Viktor Yanukovych."

Your contention that Rod Rosenstein has the power to order an investigation into any American for any reason he chooses, even if there is no evidence a crime has been committed, is truly bizarre and certainly unAmerican. No one in the US government has the kind of unfettered power you want to give to Rosenstein and no one should. However, Mueller exceeded the authority given to him by Rosenstein's letter to go after Manifort. The letter allows him to pursue crimes he uncovers in pursuit of his search for Russian involvement in the election, but the Manifort indictment is based on an old investigation in which Justice Department had closed years ago because of insufficient evidence and was outside Mueller's purview.

Your contention that Rod Rosenstein has the power to order an investigation into any American for any reason he chooses, even if there is no evidence a crime has been committed, is truly bizarre and certainly unAmerican.

That was never my contention, liar.

In fact it was, but perhaps you didn't understand what you were saying when you posted it. Instead of getting defensive now and trying to turn this into a name calling contest, perhaps you should take the opportunity to reexamine your post and learn something from this discussion.

In fact it wasn't , loser. Post up any quote where I said that.

You said the judge, meaning the federal courts, had no power over anything Rosenstein did, and since it is the federal courts that interpret the Constitution and other federal laws in this country, that neither the Constitution nor other federal laws could limit Rosenstein's power, you did, but again, perhaps you were, and are, unable to understand what you were saying.

I know what I am saying, loser.

The context of this thread is the motion filed by Manafort's defense. Manafort was Trump's campaign chair. We aren't talking about random Americans.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The judge cannot "find" that in any way.
Rosenstein decides how broad the investigation will be. Not the judge.

Mueller did exactly what he was authorized to do.

Prosecutors: Rosenstein gave Mueller OK to probe, indict Manafort

"The May 17, 2017 [appointment] order was worded categorically in order to permit its release without confirming specific investigations involving specific individuals," Rosenstein wrote in the Aug. 2, 2017 memo. "The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment and are within the scope of the Order: ... Allegations that Paul Manafort: Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law. Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Viktor Yanukovych."

Your contention that Rod Rosenstein has the power to order an investigation into any American for any reason he chooses, even if there is no evidence a crime has been committed, is truly bizarre and certainly unAmerican. No one in the US government has the kind of unfettered power you want to give to Rosenstein and no one should. However, Mueller exceeded the authority given to him by Rosenstein's letter to go after Manifort. The letter allows him to pursue crimes he uncovers in pursuit of his search for Russian involvement in the election, but the Manifort indictment is based on an old investigation in which Justice Department had closed years ago because of insufficient evidence and was outside Mueller's purview.

Your contention that Rod Rosenstein has the power to order an investigation into any American for any reason he chooses, even if there is no evidence a crime has been committed, is truly bizarre and certainly unAmerican.

That was never my contention, liar.



Mueller exceeded nothing, fool.

Prosecutors: Rosenstein gave Mueller OK to probe, indict Manafort

"The May 17, 2017 [appointment] order was worded categorically in order to permit its release without confirming specific investigations involving specific individuals," Rosenstein wrote in the Aug. 2, 2017 memo. "The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment and are within the scope of the Order: ... Allegations that Paul Manafort: Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law. Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Viktor Yanukovych."

However, all the charges against Manifort concern actions from ove ten years ago, so they had nothing to do with Russian meddling in the election and were therefor out of bounds for the special counsel.

The AG determines what is out of bounds, dope. Not you, any judge or rw pundit has any say in the matter.

Perhaps that was true in the Soviet Union, and perhaps it is even true in Russia today, but it is not the case in the US.

No. It's very true here.

Please tell us all who appoints and oversees a special counsel.

 

[jc456]

By the way that raid was truly Stasi. That's police state shit right there Jake

Where do you get this nonsense? This is the "hysterical defense" that I was talking about. That raid is what happens when you are a criminal who leads the investigator (and then a court) to believe you will destroy evidence.

what was the crime that entitled the FBI raid? that's what the SC lawyer couldn't answer. read the transcript.

 

[jc456]

The point being, Mueller and his team committed prosecutorial over-reach which violated federal law

Which is utterly false, and this nonsense you are regurgitating from whatever Trumpkin blog Drudge is feeding you will end up in the pile where all of your "expert legal assessments" end up.

sir, you are just blind as a bat.

 

[jc456]

The point being, Mueller and his team committed prosecutorial over-reach which violated federal law

Which is utterly false, and this nonsense you are regurgitating from whatever Trumpkin blog Drudge is feeding you will end up in the pile where all of your "expert legal assessments" end up.

And as usual you wont read what the judge said... YOU are a piece of lying shit...

I read what the judge said....your prediction is not going to happen, you insufferable little crybaby. Dude, you are ALWAYS WRONG. You're like a freak of nature that way.

wooooo there bubba, what did the judge's comments say? How was Billy wrong? explain that or you are a blind bat as I already said.

 

[jc456]

Your contention that Rod Rosenstein has the power to order an investigation into any American for any reason he chooses, even if there is no evidence a crime has been committed, is truly bizarre and certainly unAmerican. No one in the US government has the kind of unfettered power you want to give to Rosenstein and no one should. However, Mueller exceeded the authority given to him by Rosenstein's letter to go after Manifort. The letter allows him to pursue crimes he uncovers in pursuit of his search for Russian involvement in the election, but the Manifort indictment is based on an old investigation in which Justice Department had closed years ago because of insufficient evidence and was outside Mueller's purview.

Your contention that Rod Rosenstein has the power to order an investigation into any American for any reason he chooses, even if there is no evidence a crime has been committed, is truly bizarre and certainly unAmerican.

That was never my contention, liar.



Mueller exceeded nothing, fool.

Prosecutors: Rosenstein gave Mueller OK to probe, indict Manafort

"The May 17, 2017 [appointment] order was worded categorically in order to permit its release without confirming specific investigations involving specific individuals," Rosenstein wrote in the Aug. 2, 2017 memo. "The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment and are within the scope of the Order: ... Allegations that Paul Manafort: Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law. Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Viktor Yanukovych."

However, all the charges against Manifort concern actions from ove ten years ago, so they had nothing to do with Russian meddling in the election and were therefor out of bounds for the special counsel.

The AG determines what is out of bounds, dope. Not you, any judge or rw pundit has any say in the matter.

Perhaps that was true in the Soviet Union, and perhaps it is even true in Russia today, but it is not the case in the US.

No. It's very true here.

Please tell us all who appoints and oversees a special counsel.

huh?

 

[jc456]

And again..........there are 3 Branches of Gov't...........The DOJ is in the Executive Dept............Not the Judiciary...........

The Judiciary decides the legality of Court matters including whether or not the Scope by Rosenstein gives unfettered power to the Special Council. A special council that went back over 10 years to dig up a charge against Manafort. Nothing to do with Russia Investigation.

The Judge Challenged that...........because he could see the abuse of power with the Special Council and chastised them for it.

In regards to the Russia Collusion.......YOU HAVE NOTHING. But it is clear that Mueller is trying to crucify Manafort to find anything on Trump. Which is what the Judge said.

In regards to this case........drag Manafort out into the street and have the MSM and FBI beat him to death. because this is a political LINCHING AND NOT A CRIMINAL CASE FOR JUSTICE.

The Judge SAW THAT...........We see it.............and SO DO THE PEOPLE.

The Judiciary decides the legality of Court matters including whether or not the Scope by Rosenstein gives unfettered power to the Special Council. A special council that went back over 10 years to dig up a charge against Manafort. Nothing to do with Russia Investigation.

Bullshit.

The scope is the scope the AG decides it will be. Period.
The judge has no authority in that regard at all.

By definition, if the scope is set by the AG, then it is not "unfettered power" but clearly limited to the scope set by the AG.

You can spin all you like, but Rosenstein has said clearly that Manafort's dealings with Ukraine were within the scope since the day Mueller was appointed.

Well it looks like the judge will say differently. Eh? Need a hug?

The judge can say what he likes but that changes nothing.

You still have a problem with who's courtroom it belongs to..............It's not Rosenstein..........

You still have a problem with the 3 branches of Gov't........

Hint..........DOJ is the executive branch.............Not the Judicial Branch..........shhhhh

You keep saying that but never explain yourself.

You do realize the executive,(DOJ), is responsible for investigations. Not the judicial. Right?

The judge's role is to rule on the motion filed by the defense. Nothing more.

the judicial tells them their boundaries. whooops

 

[jc456]

UPDATE 3-U.S. judge questions special counsel's powers in Manafort case - CompuServe Politics

REDACTED MEMO

Ellis complained the bulk of that August memo he received was highly redacted. He told Mueller's office to take two weeks to consult with U.S. intelligence agencies to see if they would sign off so that he can personally review a sealed, unredacted version of the memo.

Dreeben told him the redacted portions did not pertain to the Manafort case.

"I'll be the judge," Ellis said.

Ellis asked why a run-of-the-mill bank fraud case with no "reference to any Russian individual or Russian bank" could not be handed over to the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of Virginia.

As an example, he pointed to the FBI probe into Trump's personal lawyer Michael Cohen and said the special counsel had turned that matter over to prosecutors in Manhattan.

and their answer back was that this WAS INVOLVED with the Russian case and that they would have easily just handed it over to a state court, like they did with Cohen....if the Russians were not involved.

and the judge laughed at them. ' C'mon man!!' was his answer.

 

[jc456]

And again..........there are 3 Branches of Gov't...........The DOJ is in the Executive Dept............Not the Judiciary...........

The Judiciary decides the legality of Court matters including whether or not the Scope by Rosenstein gives unfettered power to the Special Council. A special council that went back over 10 years to dig up a charge against Manafort. Nothing to do with Russia Investigation.

The Judge Challenged that...........because he could see the abuse of power with the Special Council and chastised them for it.

In regards to the Russia Collusion.......YOU HAVE NOTHING. But it is clear that Mueller is trying to crucify Manafort to find anything on Trump. Which is what the Judge said.

In regards to this case........drag Manafort out into the street and have the MSM and FBI beat him to death. because this is a political LINCHING AND NOT A CRIMINAL CASE FOR JUSTICE.

The Judge SAW THAT...........We see it.............and SO DO THE PEOPLE.

The Judiciary decides the legality of Court matters including whether or not the Scope by Rosenstein gives unfettered power to the Special Council. A special council that went back over 10 years to dig up a charge against Manafort. Nothing to do with Russia Investigation.

Bullshit.

The scope is the scope the AG decides it will be. Period.
The judge has no authority in that regard at all.

By definition, if the scope is set by the AG, then it is not "unfettered power" but clearly limited to the scope set by the AG.

You can spin all you like, but Rosenstein has said clearly that Manafort's dealings with Ukraine were within the scope since the day Mueller was appointed.

Tax evasion charges from 10 years ago are dealings with Ukraine.............

Where did the money come from, dope?

Yeah. they knew 10 years early to safe money for a rainy day when they supposedly colluded with Russia.....

The scope is not limited to your ficticious
"collusion", dope.

it's limited to the judges position. you didn't know that? really? are you just playing stupid? You're doing a good job if you are.

 

[dannyboys]

I think I'll let the Judge decide that.................His position on this matters.........whether you like it or not.

We will all wait on the judge, who will decide that Rosenstein is the one who delineates the scope of the investigation, not the judge.

No, the judge will find Rosenstein's letter of authorization was too broad and that even then Mueller went beyond the authority granted to him by the letter. The Inspector General will issue a report soon that will level similar criticisms, Rosenstein will be reassigned to whatever the Justice Department's version of traffic court is and will resign. Since this judge has accused Mueller of lying and bending the rules to illegitimate ends, he will open an investigation into all of Mueller's actions to date and that will effectively shut down the whole faux investigation. Adam Schiff will then have nothing to talk about but Stormy Daniels underpants.

No, the judge will find Rosenstein's letter of authorization was too broad and that even then Mueller went beyond the authority granted to him by the letter.

The judge cannot "find" that in any way.
Rosenstein decides how broad the investigation will be. Not the judge.

Mueller did exactly what he was authorized to do.

Prosecutors: Rosenstein gave Mueller OK to probe, indict Manafort

"The May 17, 2017 [appointment] order was worded categorically in order to permit its release without confirming specific investigations involving specific individuals," Rosenstein wrote in the Aug. 2, 2017 memo. "The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment and are within the scope of the Order: ... Allegations that Paul Manafort: Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law. Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Viktor Yanukovych."

Your contention that Rod Rosenstein has the power to order an investigation into any American for any reason he chooses, even if there is no evidence a crime has been committed, is truly bizarre and certainly unAmerican. No one in the US government has the kind of unfettered power you want to give to Rosenstein and no one should. However, Mueller exceeded the authority given to him by Rosenstein's letter to go after Manifort. The letter allows him to pursue crimes he uncovers in pursuit of his search for Russian involvement in the election, but the Manifort indictment is based on an old investigation in which Justice Department had closed years ago because of insufficient evidence and was outside Mueller's purview.

Your contention that Rod Rosenstein has the power to order an investigation into any American for any reason he chooses, even if there is no evidence a crime has been committed, is truly bizarre and certainly unAmerican.

That was never my contention, liar.



Mueller exceeded nothing, fool.

Prosecutors: Rosenstein gave Mueller OK to probe, indict Manafort

"The May 17, 2017 [appointment] order was worded categorically in order to permit its release without confirming specific investigations involving specific individuals," Rosenstein wrote in the Aug. 2, 2017 memo. "The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment and are within the scope of the Order: ... Allegations that Paul Manafort: Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law. Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Viktor Yanukovych."

Except there is NO law on the books in regards to "collusion" you mutt!
I'm LOVING IT!!!!
Flynn will walk. Manafort will walk.
Every piece of paper Struck even breathed on will be tossed out of court.
It's all going tits up for Mueller.
How many school books and tablets for inner city children would 10 million dollars buy that Mueller has pissed away on fuck all?

 

[jc456]

"The 13 Angry Democrats in charge of the Russian Witch Hunt are starting to find out that there is a Court System in place that actually protects people from injustice...and just wait ‘till the Courts get to see your unrevealed Conflicts of Interest!

The Russia Witch Hunt is rapidly losing credibility. House Intelligence Committee found No Collusion, Coordination or anything else with Russia. So now the Probe says OK, what else is there? How about Obstruction for a made up, phony crime.There is no O, it’s called Fighting Back" - Eloquent Donald on twitter

and from the recent cases in front of judges, neither does Mueller.

 

[jc456]

We will all wait on the judge, who will decide that Rosenstein is the one who delineates the scope of the investigation, not the judge.

No, the judge will find Rosenstein's letter of authorization was too broad and that even then Mueller went beyond the authority granted to him by the letter. The Inspector General will issue a report soon that will level similar criticisms, Rosenstein will be reassigned to whatever the Justice Department's version of traffic court is and will resign. Since this judge has accused Mueller of lying and bending the rules to illegitimate ends, he will open an investigation into all of Mueller's actions to date and that will effectively shut down the whole faux investigation. Adam Schiff will then have nothing to talk about but Stormy Daniels underpants.

No, the judge will find Rosenstein's letter of authorization was too broad and that even then Mueller went beyond the authority granted to him by the letter.

The judge cannot "find" that in any way.
Rosenstein decides how broad the investigation will be. Not the judge.

Mueller did exactly what he was authorized to do.

Prosecutors: Rosenstein gave Mueller OK to probe, indict Manafort

"The May 17, 2017 [appointment] order was worded categorically in order to permit its release without confirming specific investigations involving specific individuals," Rosenstein wrote in the Aug. 2, 2017 memo. "The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment and are within the scope of the Order: ... Allegations that Paul Manafort: Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law. Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Viktor Yanukovych."

Your contention that Rod Rosenstein has the power to order an investigation into any American for any reason he chooses, even if there is no evidence a crime has been committed, is truly bizarre and certainly unAmerican. No one in the US government has the kind of unfettered power you want to give to Rosenstein and no one should. However, Mueller exceeded the authority given to him by Rosenstein's letter to go after Manifort. The letter allows him to pursue crimes he uncovers in pursuit of his search for Russian involvement in the election, but the Manifort indictment is based on an old investigation in which Justice Department had closed years ago because of insufficient evidence and was outside Mueller's purview.

Your contention that Rod Rosenstein has the power to order an investigation into any American for any reason he chooses, even if there is no evidence a crime has been committed, is truly bizarre and certainly unAmerican.

That was never my contention, liar.



Mueller exceeded nothing, fool.

Prosecutors: Rosenstein gave Mueller OK to probe, indict Manafort

"The May 17, 2017 [appointment] order was worded categorically in order to permit its release without confirming specific investigations involving specific individuals," Rosenstein wrote in the Aug. 2, 2017 memo. "The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment and are within the scope of the Order: ... Allegations that Paul Manafort: Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law. Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Viktor Yanukovych."

Except there is NO law on the books in regards to "collusion" you mutt!
I'm LOVING IT!!!!
Flynn will walk. Manafort will walk.
Every piece of paper Struck even breathed on will be tossed out of court.
It's all going tits up for Mueller.
How many school books and tablets for inner city children would 10 million dollars buy that Mueller has pissed away on fuck all?

getting Trump was way more important to the left then educating black kids as you mention.

 

[dannyboys]

Your contention that Rod Rosenstein has the power to order an investigation into any American for any reason he chooses, even if there is no evidence a crime has been committed, is truly bizarre and certainly unAmerican. No one in the US government has the kind of unfettered power you want to give to Rosenstein and no one should. However, Mueller exceeded the authority given to him by Rosenstein's letter to go after Manifort. The letter allows him to pursue crimes he uncovers in pursuit of his search for Russian involvement in the election, but the Manifort indictment is based on an old investigation in which Justice Department had closed years ago because of insufficient evidence and was outside Mueller's purview.

Your contention that Rod Rosenstein has the power to order an investigation into any American for any reason he chooses, even if there is no evidence a crime has been committed, is truly bizarre and certainly unAmerican.

That was never my contention, liar.

In fact it was, but perhaps you didn't understand what you were saying when you posted it. Instead of getting defensive now and trying to turn this into a name calling contest, perhaps you should take the opportunity to reexamine your post and learn something from this discussion.

In fact it wasn't , loser. Post up any quote where I said that.

You said the judge, meaning the federal courts, had no power over anything Rosenstein did, and since it is the federal courts that interpret the Constitution and other federal laws in this country, that neither the Constitution nor other federal laws could limit Rosenstein's power, you did, but again, perhaps you were, and are, unable to understand what you were saying.

I know what I am saying, loser.

The context of this thread is the motion filed by Manafort's defense. Manafort was Trump's campaign chair. We aren't talking about random Americans.

Manaforts campaign chairman was there for a couple of months you mutt!
The judge just pissed on the Mueller witch hunters. If I were one of those lawyers I'd buy a one way ticket to Cambodia.

 

[jc456]

No, the judge will find Rosenstein's letter of authorization was too broad and that even then Mueller went beyond the authority granted to him by the letter. The Inspector General will issue a report soon that will level similar criticisms, Rosenstein will be reassigned to whatever the Justice Department's version of traffic court is and will resign. Since this judge has accused Mueller of lying and bending the rules to illegitimate ends, he will open an investigation into all of Mueller's actions to date and that will effectively shut down the whole faux investigation. Adam Schiff will then have nothing to talk about but Stormy Daniels underpants.

No, the judge will find Rosenstein's letter of authorization was too broad and that even then Mueller went beyond the authority granted to him by the letter.

The judge cannot "find" that in any way.
Rosenstein decides how broad the investigation will be. Not the judge.

Mueller did exactly what he was authorized to do.

Prosecutors: Rosenstein gave Mueller OK to probe, indict Manafort

"The May 17, 2017 [appointment] order was worded categorically in order to permit its release without confirming specific investigations involving specific individuals," Rosenstein wrote in the Aug. 2, 2017 memo. "The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment and are within the scope of the Order: ... Allegations that Paul Manafort: Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law. Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Viktor Yanukovych."

Your contention that Rod Rosenstein has the power to order an investigation into any American for any reason he chooses, even if there is no evidence a crime has been committed, is truly bizarre and certainly unAmerican. No one in the US government has the kind of unfettered power you want to give to Rosenstein and no one should. However, Mueller exceeded the authority given to him by Rosenstein's letter to go after Manifort. The letter allows him to pursue crimes he uncovers in pursuit of his search for Russian involvement in the election, but the Manifort indictment is based on an old investigation in which Justice Department had closed years ago because of insufficient evidence and was outside Mueller's purview.

Your contention that Rod Rosenstein has the power to order an investigation into any American for any reason he chooses, even if there is no evidence a crime has been committed, is truly bizarre and certainly unAmerican.

That was never my contention, liar.



Mueller exceeded nothing, fool.

Prosecutors: Rosenstein gave Mueller OK to probe, indict Manafort

"The May 17, 2017 [appointment] order was worded categorically in order to permit its release without confirming specific investigations involving specific individuals," Rosenstein wrote in the Aug. 2, 2017 memo. "The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment and are within the scope of the Order: ... Allegations that Paul Manafort: Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law. Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Viktor Yanukovych."

However, all the charges against Manifort concern actions from ove ten years ago, so they had nothing to do with Russian meddling in the election and were therefor out of bounds for the special counsel.

The AG determines what is out of bounds, dope. Not you, any judge or rw pundit has any say in the matter.

can't make up this much dumb shit.

 

[jc456]

Your contention that Rod Rosenstein has the power to order an investigation into any American for any reason he chooses, even if there is no evidence a crime has been committed, is truly bizarre and certainly unAmerican. No one in the US government has the kind of unfettered power you want to give to Rosenstein and no one should. However, Mueller exceeded the authority given to him by Rosenstein's letter to go after Manifort. The letter allows him to pursue crimes he uncovers in pursuit of his search for Russian involvement in the election, but the Manifort indictment is based on an old investigation in which Justice Department had closed years ago because of insufficient evidence and was outside Mueller's purview.

Your contention that Rod Rosenstein has the power to order an investigation into any American for any reason he chooses, even if there is no evidence a crime has been committed, is truly bizarre and certainly unAmerican.

That was never my contention, liar.

In fact it was, but perhaps you didn't understand what you were saying when you posted it. Instead of getting defensive now and trying to turn this into a name calling contest, perhaps you should take the opportunity to reexamine your post and learn something from this discussion.

In fact it wasn't , loser. Post up any quote where I said that.

You said the judge, meaning the federal courts, had no power over anything Rosenstein did, and since it is the federal courts that interpret the Constitution and other federal laws in this country, that neither the Constitution nor other federal laws could limit Rosenstein's power, you did, but again, perhaps you were, and are, unable to understand what you were saying.

I know what I am saying, loser.

The context of this thread is the motion filed by Manafort's defense. Manafort was Trump's campaign chair. We aren't talking about random Americans.

but we are since there was no crime that allowed the raid. In fact, used Carter Pages FISA warrant for it. ooops, that's a no no. read up before making a fool out of yourself all the time.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No one will walk.

The entire right wing from useful tools to alt right traitors will be massively embarrassed.

The House will go blue.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Bullshit.

The scope is the scope the AG decides it will be. Period.
The judge has no authority in that regard at all.

By definition, if the scope is set by the AG, then it is not "unfettered power" but clearly limited to the scope set by the AG.

You can spin all you like, but Rosenstein has said clearly that Manafort's dealings with Ukraine were within the scope since the day Mueller was appointed.

Well it looks like the judge will say differently. Eh? Need a hug?

The judge can say what he likes but that changes nothing.

You still have a problem with who's courtroom it belongs to..............It's not Rosenstein..........

You still have a problem with the 3 branches of Gov't........

Hint..........DOJ is the executive branch.............Not the Judicial Branch..........shhhhh

You keep saying that but never explain yourself.

You do realize the executive,(DOJ), is responsible for investigations. Not the judicial. Right?

The judge's role is to rule on the motion filed by the defense. Nothing more.

the judicial tells them their boundaries. whooops

No they dont, fool.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Bullshit.

The scope is the scope the AG decides it will be. Period.
The judge has no authority in that regard at all.

By definition, if the scope is set by the AG, then it is not "unfettered power" but clearly limited to the scope set by the AG.

You can spin all you like, but Rosenstein has said clearly that Manafort's dealings with Ukraine were within the scope since the day Mueller was appointed.

Tax evasion charges from 10 years ago are dealings with Ukraine.............

Where did the money come from, dope?

Yeah. they knew 10 years early to safe money for a rainy day when they supposedly colluded with Russia.....

The scope is not limited to your ficticious
"collusion", dope.

it's limited to the judges position. you didn't know that? really? are you just playing stupid? You're doing a good job if you are.

Judges position?

What does that mean?

 

[jc456]

Well it looks like the judge will say differently. Eh? Need a hug?

The judge can say what he likes but that changes nothing.

You still have a problem with who's courtroom it belongs to..............It's not Rosenstein..........

You still have a problem with the 3 branches of Gov't........

Hint..........DOJ is the executive branch.............Not the Judicial Branch..........shhhhh

You keep saying that but never explain yourself.

You do realize the executive,(DOJ), is responsible for investigations. Not the judicial. Right?

The judge's role is to rule on the motion filed by the defense. Nothing more.

the judicial tells them their boundaries. whooops

No they dont, fool.

sure they do, how do you think we got Roe vs Wade?

 

[jc456]

Tax evasion charges from 10 years ago are dealings with Ukraine.............

Where did the money come from, dope?

Yeah. they knew 10 years early to safe money for a rainy day when they supposedly colluded with Russia.....

The scope is not limited to your ficticious
"collusion", dope.

it's limited to the judges position. you didn't know that? really? are you just playing stupid? You're doing a good job if you are.

Judges position?

What does that mean?

it's his court room. He makes the rules in it. you should learn about the judicial system.