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Washington mall shooting suspect Arcan Cetin was 'zombie-like' during arrest
No evidence pointed to terrorism, Michael Knutson, assistant special agent in charge of the Seattle FBI, said at the news conference late Saturday night. Authorities believe he is the only shooter.
...The exact motive behind the shooting that killed four women and a man in a Macy's store remains unclear, but authorities say Cetin's ex-girlfriend used to work at the store. However, she has not worked there in several months and now lives in another county. KING 5 reported that Cetin was in possession of three guns Friday night; all of them were legally purchased, but Cetin stole them from a family member. The weapon used Friday night was a .22 Ruger, according to law enforcement, KING 5 reported.
The Seattle Times reports that Cetin's criminal record includes three assault charges related to domestic violence, the victim being Cetin's stepfather. Cetin also was arrested on a drunken driving charge, the Times reports.
A judge told Cetin Dec. 29 he could not possess a firearm, according to the Times. His stepfather convinced the judge not to impose a no-contact order. He said his stepson was "going through a hard time."
He sounds like a troubled violent young person. Not much different than a number of other mass shooters we've had. The police describe him as "zombie like" state when they arrested him.
This is on his Tumblr account
"My other dood Ali Come on me. Supreme burrito of Iran arcanmotherrussiavodkaandak47"
The crazy bastard you have championed is a terrorist sympathizing creep
I'm championing no one, I'm sticking to known facts. Is it possible for you to do the same?
You are IGNORING known facts - any that contradict your Islamist agenda.
You saw a brown man and just assumed the worst based on your own prejudice, no facts whatsoever. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
One might as well offer evidence that that the Earth is billions of years old to a raving fundamentalist who insists it is just 6000.
You true believers make for quite the interesting study. You are ignorant, you are incapable of logic, the notion of probability completely escapes you and your positions are completely hypocritical.
The victims do not matter a whit to you. The threat to western civilization due to Islam does not matter to you. All that matters is YOU, and your selfish need to feel smug and superior by calling people names if they don't join you in defending all the mayhem caused by Islam.
You are a boy and you will remain a boy until you man up.
Or maybe a constitutionalist.
I missed the part where the constitution protects death cults, as islam is not a religion. Why don't you show us that part, dimwit.
Then this, breaking today
Chelsea bombing suspect spent weeks at Islamist seminary in Pakistan
By Kathianne Boniello
September 25, 2016 | 1:34am
Chelsea bombing suspect spent weeks at Islamist seminary in Pakistan | New York Post
Poor innocent Muslim who screamed he and his family were targeted.. Time to take the fucking gloves off.. A new President will be sworn in shortly.. Gone will be the pacifist terror appeasing Obama and his gaggle of terror tied assholes..
Then this, breaking today
Chelsea bombing suspect spent weeks at Islamist seminary in Pakistan
By Kathianne Boniello
September 25, 2016 | 1:34am
Chelsea bombing suspect spent weeks at Islamist seminary in Pakistan | New York Post
Poor innocent Muslim who screamed he and his family were targeted.. Time to take the fucking gloves off.. A new President will be sworn in shortly.. Gone will be the pacifist terror appeasing Obama and his gaggle of terror tied assholes..
So -- this is a failure of government. I agree with that. We're finding MOST of the last 6 or 8 incidents were ON the radar of the FBI and for reasons mostly politically correct, these suspects were DROPPED instead of continuing to surveill them.
It's dysfunctional priorities and too many "terrorist task forces" and not enough common sense. You can DROP an active investigation. But then you need to turn it from a "CRIMINAL CASE" into a surveillance case.
Instead of building a new palace in Utah for the NSA to spy on ALL OF US --- how about KEEPING those people under surveillance for 2 or 6 years? Nawww. Govt is not bright or competent.
I've been here a year and "they" have been right about once. I really know I am on the right side now.
They say.......Cops murder innocents (wrong), muslims don't do terror (wrong) on and on and on and on..........like a bunch of demented circus monkeys. I begin to hate!
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Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"
Lots of violence 1500 years ago. Even more in the Old Testament. Where God is instructing the Israelites on how to smite their enemies. So what? Is THAT an important concept in Christian/Jewish life today?
politically correct
common sense. .
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"
Lots of violence 1500 years ago. Even more in the Old Testament. Where God is instructing the Israelites on how to smite their enemies. So what? Is THAT an important concept in Christian/Jewish life today?
Washington mall shooting suspect Arcan Cetin was 'zombie-like' during arrest
No evidence pointed to terrorism, Michael Knutson, assistant special agent in charge of the Seattle FBI, said at the news conference late Saturday night. Authorities believe he is the only shooter.
...The exact motive behind the shooting that killed four women and a man in a Macy's store remains unclear, but authorities say Cetin's ex-girlfriend used to work at the store. However, she has not worked there in several months and now lives in another county. KING 5 reported that Cetin was in possession of three guns Friday night; all of them were legally purchased, but Cetin stole them from a family member. The weapon used Friday night was a .22 Ruger, according to law enforcement, KING 5 reported.
The Seattle Times reports that Cetin's criminal record includes three assault charges related to domestic violence, the victim being Cetin's stepfather. Cetin also was arrested on a drunken driving charge, the Times reports.
A judge told Cetin Dec. 29 he could not possess a firearm, according to the Times. His stepfather convinced the judge not to impose a no-contact order. He said his stepson was "going through a hard time."
He sounds like a troubled violent young person. Not much different than a number of other mass shooters we've had. The police describe him as "zombie like" state when they arrested him.
This is on his Tumblr account
"My other dood Ali Come on me. Supreme burrito of Iran arcanmotherrussiavodkaandak47"
The crazy bastard you have championed is a terrorist sympathizing creep
I'm championing no one, I'm sticking to known facts. Is it possible for you to do the same?
You are IGNORING known facts - any that contradict your Islamist agenda.
I'm sticking to known facts.
Washington mall shooting suspect Arcan Cetin was 'zombie-like' during arrest
No evidence pointed to terrorism, Michael Knutson, assistant special agent in charge of the Seattle FBI, said at the news conference late Saturday night. Authorities believe he is the only shooter.
...The exact motive behind the shooting that killed four women and a man in a Macy's store remains unclear, but authorities say Cetin's ex-girlfriend used to work at the store. However, she has not worked there in several months and now lives in another county. KING 5 reported that Cetin was in possession of three guns Friday night; all of them were legally purchased, but Cetin stole them from a family member. The weapon used Friday night was a .22 Ruger, according to law enforcement, KING 5 reported.
The Seattle Times reports that Cetin's criminal record includes three assault charges related to domestic violence, the victim being Cetin's stepfather. Cetin also was arrested on a drunken driving charge, the Times reports.
A judge told Cetin Dec. 29 he could not possess a firearm, according to the Times. His stepfather convinced the judge not to impose a no-contact order. He said his stepson was "going through a hard time."
He sounds like a troubled violent young person. Not much different than a number of other mass shooters we've had. The police describe him as "zombie like" state when they arrested him.
This is on his Tumblr account
"My other dood Ali Come on me. Supreme burrito of Iran arcanmotherrussiavodkaandak47"
The crazy bastard you have championed is a terrorist sympathizing creep
I'm championing no one, I'm sticking to known facts. Is it possible for you to do the same?
You are IGNORING known facts - any that contradict your Islamist agenda.
I'm sticking to known facts.
If only our Muslim-American citizen had known it was a gun-free zone....all of this could have been avoided!!!!!!!
So many Liberal memes might not have been shattered!
politically correct
common sense. .
If this thread is any indication, those with common sense will continue to be called names by those who are politically correct.
Those who TRULY fear Islam are the ones who call people names dare they oppose anything about it, and that is the true problem here. Islamists have made MASSIVE inroads into western civilization, as the western left makes Islam inviolate in the exact ways the Islamists have trained them.
In the U.K., this phenomenon is so advanced within the culture that the rape of British children is abetted rather than running the risk of the name calling people are sure to receive by those who have been conditioned to act in this way.
politically correct
common sense. .
If this thread is any indication, those with common sense will continue to be called names by those who are politically correct.
Those who TRULY fear Islam are the ones who call people names dare they oppose anything about it, and that is the true problem here. Islamists have made MASSIVE inroads into western civilization, as the western left makes Islam inviolate in the exact ways the Islamists have trained them.
In the U.K., this phenomenon is so advanced within the culture that the rape of British children is abetted rather than running the risk of the name calling people are sure to receive by those who have been conditioned to act in this way.
THIS IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.. Not the Arab League.. Not Sharia compliant. There's a period at the end of that last sentence. End of discussion.
Sharia has nothing to do with this.
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"
Lots of violence 1500 years ago. Even more in the Old Testament. Where God is instructing the Israelites on how to smite their enemies. So what? Is THAT an important concept in Christian/Jewish life today?
There was no concept of rights, freedoms, or even the individual as worthy of having rights in those days. Rape was accepted, vengeance, war, and to the victor go the spoils which usually included women and slaves. Reading those ancient texts without keeping that in mind leads to the wrong ideas about a faith - whether it's literalists trying to use it to force thier religious doctrine on others or literalists using it to justify attacking an entire faith. What matters is what is being done now by the many different groups that follow a faith.
Then this, breaking today
Chelsea bombing suspect spent weeks at Islamist seminary in Pakistan
By Kathianne Boniello
September 25, 2016 | 1:34am
Chelsea bombing suspect spent weeks at Islamist seminary in Pakistan | New York Post
Poor innocent Muslim who screamed he and his family were targeted.. Time to take the fucking gloves off.. A new President will be sworn in shortly.. Gone will be the pacifist terror appeasing Obama and his gaggle of terror tied assholes..
So -- this is a failure of government. I agree with that. We're finding MOST of the last 6 or 8 incidents were ON the radar of the FBI and for reasons mostly politically correct, these suspects were DROPPED instead of continuing to surveill them.
It's dysfunctional priorities and too many "terrorist task forces" and not enough common sense. You can DROP an active investigation. But then you need to turn it from a "CRIMINAL CASE" into a surveillance case.
Instead of building a new palace in Utah for the NSA to spy on ALL OF US --- how about KEEPING those people under surveillance for 2 or 6 years? Nawww. Govt is not bright or competent.
I think it's a tough call - there is a fine line between appropriate surveillance and crossing into an abuse of people's rights and freedoms. It's an easy call to make in a police state or a restricted society like Egypt for example - but how do you balance it in a society that values freedom and openness? Freedom vs. security.
That said, it does seem as if travel to certain areas should be a red flag for closer monitoring particularly involving young men.
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"
Lots of violence 1500 years ago. Even more in the Old Testament. Where God is instructing the Israelites on how to smite their enemies. So what? Is THAT an important concept in Christian/Jewish life today?
There was no concept of rights, freedoms, or even the individual as worthy of having rights in those days. Rape was accepted, vengeance, war, and to the victor go the spoils which usually included women and slaves. Reading those ancient texts without keeping that in mind leads to the wrong ideas about a faith - whether it's literalists trying to use it to force thier religious doctrine on others or literalists using it to justify attacking an entire faith. What matters is what is being done now by the many different groups that follow a faith.
"Rape was accepted,..."
Still is.
See post # 534
this outbreak of possibly MEast inspired violence in America is a failure of leadership and govt.competence. And these discussions end up blaming each other and a religion, rather than acknowledging that crisis.
