Breaking: Mass Shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas ... 7 confirmed dead

[mal]

On what grounds, Allie ?
Processing someone out is not as easy as deciding that you don't like how they think. Which UCMJ article do you refer to ? Article 88 maybe (Contempt towards officials). Good luck with that can of worm, as it is terribly popular to bash Obama in today's military. Article 104 ( aiding the enemy) ? Where the proof ?

I don't think it's that hard, when someone is posting fanatic crap on messageboards, proclaiming that suicide bombers are heroes, and trying to convert war veterans with PTSD to Islam, coupled with the fact that the guy tried repeatedly to get out and had in fact hired an attorney to help him get out.

Yep...



peace...

 

[Cyborgmudhen]

Curve,
The eyewitness accounts of 'allahu akbar' were public knowledge the day of the shooting. LTG Cone even put it out.
Not sure why it matters so much, but there it is.

 

[CurveLight]

More from the Washington Post on the REAL Victim of these Shootings:

Alleged Fort Hood shooter's lonely life - Washington Post- msnbc.com

The lonely life of alleged Fort Hood shooter
‘He was mistreated. He didn't have nobody. He was all alone,’ says neighbor

By Philip Rucker

updated 2:39 a.m. MT, Sun., Nov . 8, 2009
KILLEEN, TEX. - About 9 a.m. Thursday, Maj. Nidal M. Hasan walked over to see a neighbor in his aging apartment building here on the edge of downtown. He had come to say goodbye.

The two occasionally would sit together in plastic chairs beneath a wind chime on the landing outside her second-floor apartment, she recalled. She was Christian and he was Muslim, but they shared coffee and talked about God. But this morning, Hasan said that he would be deploying to Afghanistan soon and that he did not want to go. He gave her a copy of the Koran.

"I'm going to do good work for God," he told her. ...

"Everyone else just sat down there and drunk their beer and looked at him and giggled at him," the woman said, starting to cry. "They just would laugh at him when he walked down with his Muslim clothes. . . . He was mistreated. He didn't have nobody. He was all alone. He went to his apartment there and was all alone."

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Nice Job, WashPost.

And I will add this Question...

Did these Liberal Rags Look to Excuse McVeigh?... Understand his Motivations?... Wonder if he was Picked on?...



peace...

There is a big difference between excusing behavior and trying to understand it. But if the only tool one owns then of course all problems will look like a nail.

 

[mal]

Curve,
The eyewitness accounts of 'allahu akbar' were public knowledge the day of the shooting. LTG Cone even put it out.
Not sure why it matters so much, but there it is.

It matters as much if not MORE than the Hearsay the New York Times Decided to Run on the Front Page within 24 Hours of the Rampage that he was "Harassed"...



peace...

 

[mal]

More from the Washington Post on the REAL Victim of these Shootings:

Alleged Fort Hood shooter's lonely life - Washington Post- msnbc.com

The lonely life of alleged Fort Hood shooter
‘He was mistreated. He didn't have nobody. He was all alone,’ says neighbor

By Philip Rucker

updated 2:39 a.m. MT, Sun., Nov . 8, 2009
KILLEEN, TEX. - About 9 a.m. Thursday, Maj. Nidal M. Hasan walked over to see a neighbor in his aging apartment building here on the edge of downtown. He had come to say goodbye.

The two occasionally would sit together in plastic chairs beneath a wind chime on the landing outside her second-floor apartment, she recalled. She was Christian and he was Muslim, but they shared coffee and talked about God. But this morning, Hasan said that he would be deploying to Afghanistan soon and that he did not want to go. He gave her a copy of the Koran.

"I'm going to do good work for God," he told her. ...

"Everyone else just sat down there and drunk their beer and looked at him and giggled at him," the woman said, starting to cry. "They just would laugh at him when he walked down with his Muslim clothes. . . . He was mistreated. He didn't have nobody. He was all alone. He went to his apartment there and was all alone."

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Nice Job, WashPost.

And I will add this Question...

Did these Liberal Rags Look to Excuse McVeigh?... Understand his Motivations?... Wonder if he was Picked on?...



peace...

There is a big difference between excusing behavior and trying to understand it. But if the only tool one owns then of course all problems will look like a nail.

There is PLENTY of Time through the Process to "Understand"...

The Bodies weren't even Cold and the NYT was Digging for Excuses for this Guy, and then Inking them within 24 Hours...

It's Shameless... But that's the NYT.



peace...

 

[Cyborgmudhen]

Why does it bug you so much that coverage of Hasan's harrassment exists, Malcontent ?
What's wrong with that ?

 

[CurveLight]

Partial credit. It remains true, as I correctly noted, that it is POSSIBLE that Hassan was just a fucking nutbar. But it is unlikely.

That we do not yet KNOW for sure doesn't alter the truth value of my contention regarding which is the more likely answer. It is far more likely that this is no mere set of coincidences, regardless of how urgently you wish to cling to that kind of wishful thinking.

Allah Akbar is not just some overused random phrase. It has meaning when used in a specific context --such as the fact that he was just about to start killing people.

Yes, he was just about to start killing people and fully expected to be killed in the process. By yelling Allah Akbar, he may have been acknowledging he was about to meet his maker and not specifically acknowledging he was doing it for Allah

At this point, we do not know if he was doing it because he was a Muslim or happened to be a Muslim who was doing it.

So far, no evidence linking him to a specific group has been released

He most certainly has been linked to specific groups. The U.S. Military. Islam. There's two right there.

Beyond that, I did not argue or even imply that he belonged to an organized group of Jihadists. It remains quite possible that he doesn't belong to any such group. So what? This would not necessarily dilute his motivation; and that still looks like it might have been some twisted version of Islamism.

If he did it in response to our occupations in the middle east then whatever label you give him must also be applied to America.

 

[Liability]

Yes, he was just about to start killing people and fully expected to be killed in the process. By yelling Allah Akbar, he may have been acknowledging he was about to meet his maker and not specifically acknowledging he was doing it for Allah

At this point, we do not know if he was doing it because he was a Muslim or happened to be a Muslim who was doing it.

So far, no evidence linking him to a specific group has been released

He most certainly has been linked to specific groups. The U.S. Military. Islam. There's two right there.

Beyond that, I did not argue or even imply that he belonged to an organized group of Jihadists. It remains quite possible that he doesn't belong to any such group. So what? This would not necessarily dilute his motivation; and that still looks like it might have been some twisted version of Islamism.

If he did it in response to our occupations in the middle east then whatever label you give him must also be applied to America.

Wrong again.

Whatever motivated his depraved Islamist violence, if its roots are found in his "Islamic" beliefs, then there is nothing to be "applied to America" -- whatever the fuck that spew might mean.

 

[mal]

Why does it bug you so much that coverage of Hasan's harrassment exists, Malcontent ?
What's wrong with that ?

Again... You are NOT Taking in ALL Information before Reacting...

The NYT's Inked that the AM AFTER the Shooting...

At the same time, they Ignored the other Evidence they Certainly Had in Pocket, like his Handing out Qurans and what he "Allegedly" said as he was going on the Rampage.

It's NOT a Matter of NEVER Discussing the Possibilities of "Motivation", it's the Haste that the New York Times Predictably went to Front Page with, while Ignoring the other "Motivating" Factors.

It is NOT Impossible that Islam Motivated him to do this either... And there is Evidence that it did...

The NYT Ignored it in Favor of Making him out to be a Victim...

As the WashPost is Continuing to do.

As is the MO for these Liberal Rags.

When there was NO Evidence of our Soldiers Flushing Qurans, what did Newsweak do?...

Made the Enemy out to be the Victims by saying it ANYWAY, and a LOT of Blood was Shed over that Lie.

There is a Consistent Pattern with the Liberal Mainstream Press in the US, and this is just MORE of it.



peace...

 

[CurveLight]

He most certainly has been linked to specific groups. The U.S. Military. Islam. There's two right there.

Beyond that, I did not argue or even imply that he belonged to an organized group of Jihadists. It remains quite possible that he doesn't belong to any such group. So what? This would not necessarily dilute his motivation; and that still looks like it might have been some twisted version of Islamism.

If he did it in response to our occupations in the middle east then whatever label you give him must also be applied to America.

Wrong again.

Whatever motivated his depraved Islamist violence, if its roots are found in his "Islamic" beliefs, then there is nothing to be "applied to America" -- whatever the fuck that spew might mean.

Those of us who denounce our occupations in iraq and afghanistan and condemn what hasan did are consistent but those who condemn hasan but support the occupations are guilty of hypocrisy.

Here you (and cohorts) are automatically subscribing Islam as the main culprit while info necessary for that conclusion is absent. That basically means your camps don't give a fuck about accurate information and in unison you will sing with eyes shut and ears plugged because the only thing that matters is your agenda.

 

[mal]

If he did it in response to our occupations in the middle east then whatever label you give him must also be applied to America.

Wrong again.

Whatever motivated his depraved Islamist violence, if its roots are found in his "Islamic" beliefs, then there is nothing to be "applied to America" -- whatever the fuck that spew might mean.

Those of us who denounce our occupations in iraq and afghanistan and condemn what hasan did are consistent but those who condemn hasan but support the occupations are guilty of hypocrisy.

Here you (and cohorts) are automatically subscribing Islam as the main culprit while info necessary for that conclusion is absent. That basically means your camps don't give a fuck about accurate information and in unison you will sing with eyes shut and ears plugged because the only thing that matters is your agenda.

If you Dismiss Islam's Possible Motivation in this, then it is YOU who are not being Honest.



peace...

 

[AllieBaba]

Curve, take that post and change "you" and "your" to "me" and "my" and you've got it right.

 

[Cyborgmudhen]

No, not this time. I hear you lima charlie......I'm questioning you as to why.
Surely you realize the media is a business. NYT and WP put out what sells, just like Faux News does. Nothing wrong in making a buck, I guess.
It is that in this instance, the Times has it right. He WAS harrassed, this has be corraborated with multiple sources. I think you know that too.
I'm asking why that coverage bothers you. Is it simply more comfortable for you to ignore the reality of Muslim service in the US military than to deal with the fact that the US prejudice may be part of what helped to kill us last week at Ft. Hood ?

 

[mal]

Curve, take that post and change "you" and "your" to "me" and "my" and you've got it right.

Ed Zachary.



peace...

 

[AllieBaba]

Who corroborated it?

 

[CurveLight]

Why does it bug you so much that coverage of Hasan's harrassment exists, Malcontent ?
What's wrong with that ?

Again... You are NOT Taking in ALL Information before Reacting...

The NYT's Inked that the AM AFTER the Shooting...

At the same time, they Ignored the other Evidence they Certainly Had in Pocket, like his Handing out Qurans and what he "Allegedly" said as he was going on the Rampage.

It's NOT a Matter of NEVER Discussing the Possibilities of "Motivation", it's the Haste that the New York Times Predictably went to Front Page with, while Ignoring the other "Motivating" Factors.

It is NOT Impossible that Islam Motivated him to do this either... And there is Evidence that it did...

The NYT Ignored it in Favor of Making him out to be a Victim...

As the WashPost is Continuing to do.

As is the MO for these Liberal Rags.

When there was NO Evidence of our Soldiers Flushing Qurans, what did Newsweak do?...

Made the Enemy out to be the Victims by saying it ANYWAY, and a LOT of Blood was Shed over that Lie.

There is a Consistent Pattern with the Liberal Mainstream Press in the US, and this is just MORE of it.



peace...

There it is. Pulling out the ole' librul press card!

 

[mal]

Why does it bug you so much that coverage of Hasan's harrassment exists, Malcontent ?
What's wrong with that ?

Again... You are NOT Taking in ALL Information before Reacting...

The NYT's Inked that the AM AFTER the Shooting...

At the same time, they Ignored the other Evidence they Certainly Had in Pocket, like his Handing out Qurans and what he "Allegedly" said as he was going on the Rampage.

It's NOT a Matter of NEVER Discussing the Possibilities of "Motivation", it's the Haste that the New York Times Predictably went to Front Page with, while Ignoring the other "Motivating" Factors.

It is NOT Impossible that Islam Motivated him to do this either... And there is Evidence that it did...

The NYT Ignored it in Favor of Making him out to be a Victim...

As the WashPost is Continuing to do.

As is the MO for these Liberal Rags.

When there was NO Evidence of our Soldiers Flushing Qurans, what did Newsweak do?...

Made the Enemy out to be the Victims by saying it ANYWAY, and a LOT of Blood was Shed over that Lie.

There is a Consistent Pattern with the Liberal Mainstream Press in the US, and this is just MORE of it.



peace...

There it is. Pulling out the ole' librul press card!

With Substance... Which of course Most of what you are Posting is Lacking in.



peace...

 

[CurveLight]

Wrong again.

Whatever motivated his depraved Islamist violence, if its roots are found in his "Islamic" beliefs, then there is nothing to be "applied to America" -- whatever the fuck that spew might mean.

Those of us who denounce our occupations in iraq and afghanistan and condemn what hasan did are consistent but those who condemn hasan but support the occupations are guilty of hypocrisy.

Here you (and cohorts) are automatically subscribing Islam as the main culprit while info necessary for that conclusion is absent. That basically means your camps don't give a fuck about accurate information and in unison you will sing with eyes shut and ears plugged because the only thing that matters is your agenda.

If you Dismiss Islam's Possible Motivation in this, then it is YOU who are not being Honest.



peace...

I'm not dismissing any motivation. What I am doing is pointing out we are guilty of killing and wounding well over a hundred thousand people so if hasan says he did it in response to our optional wars then the claim Islam is responsible is a moot point. You would have no way to surgically rearrange the facts to support the charge this is Islam's fault while ignoring the deaths we are responsible for.

 

[AllieBaba]

Still waiting to hear who it was that corroborated that the shooter was being harassed for his faith.

Most likely he was harassed for being a loony tune. And his looney toonishness happened to exist in the form of supporting radical Islamists. Not the wisest course when you're counseling people who have fought that group.

 

[CurveLight]

Again... You are NOT Taking in ALL Information before Reacting...

The NYT's Inked that the AM AFTER the Shooting...

At the same time, they Ignored the other Evidence they Certainly Had in Pocket, like his Handing out Qurans and what he "Allegedly" said as he was going on the Rampage.

It's NOT a Matter of NEVER Discussing the Possibilities of "Motivation", it's the Haste that the New York Times Predictably went to Front Page with, while Ignoring the other "Motivating" Factors.

It is NOT Impossible that Islam Motivated him to do this either... And there is Evidence that it did...

The NYT Ignored it in Favor of Making him out to be a Victim...

As the WashPost is Continuing to do.

As is the MO for these Liberal Rags.

When there was NO Evidence of our Soldiers Flushing Qurans, what did Newsweak do?...

Made the Enemy out to be the Victims by saying it ANYWAY, and a LOT of Blood was Shed over that Lie.

There is a Consistent Pattern with the Liberal Mainstream Press in the US, and this is just MORE of it.



peace...

There it is. Pulling out the ole' librul press card!

With Substance... Which of course Most of what you are Posting is Lacking in.



peace...

Looks like you define substance only how many words are typed.