Breaking: Van mows down people walking on London Bridge.

[Marion Morrison]

Serious question here.

How would you go about banning Islam from America without violating the Constitution? Specifics if you please.

You can't, because it would be a clear violation of the Constitution. Which is why I voted No. Might surprise some here, but it is not the answer.

You don't have a lot of options against what is going on globally..........And this is a Global Problem.........Terror attacks are increasing in all areas of the World as the world tries to attack the tentacles of a Hydra.........A reactionary strategy versus a proactive strategy...........Nations will eventually be forced to start raiding, arresting, and/or deporting radical elements or those preaching it within their borders...........Which would include Mosques which will inflame even more trending to the Dark Side of Radical Islam. It will take us down the road of the slippery slope of Sedition Laws............which could backfire on us.............But the increasing number of attacks may very well FORCE US THERE.............

In regards to those Muslims who lived near the attackers............who knew they might be a problem............by not turning them in are they not aiding and abetting in a crime.................which might mean starting to charge those who refuse to turn in Radicals with a Crime................

This is all dangerous territory.........but eventually........as the attacks continue......we may very well have to go down this slippery slope.

We are approaching a regional War in the Middle East to end the Caliphate.............Which will only happen after enough have died to say "enough's enough.

That is an extremely dangerous precedent to set. Stalinist even.

BS..............you can be charged with aiding and abetting if you see a crime and do nothing about it now. In many of the cases people around the terrorist knew crap was going on.........but didn't do anything or report it....................could be considered aiding and abetting.

In regards to Mosques practicing radical movements................it is dangerous but they could be charged with Sedition.

I've already said a slippery slope.........provided documents of Law Enforcement tracking cells and knowing radical elements..........but PROTECTED BY OUR LAWS.........even though they might perform the next attack.

So the families of killers should al lbe charged with aiding and abetting just on the basis of their being the family?

They should be thoroughly investigated at the very least.

Did they ever catch that girl shooter?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The difference between Islam and Christianity is that it doesn't say to kill non-believers in the Bible and it does in the Quran, therefore Islam is inherently incompatible with Western civilization.

Islam is a world domination group calling itself a religion.

The Quran is more complicated than that. Like the bible. And yes, the bible does contain passages in the OT on slaughtering unbelievers.

Ah yes, that one instance, The Amelakites.

Any other instances?

Yes, the Bible Does Say to Kill Infidels

Does the Quran Really Sanction Violence Against 'Unbelievers'? | HuffPost



It's there.

But then again anything can be taken out of context and misused.

Does the Quran have an Old and New Covenant also?

You're about to get shellacked

Are you talking about Cafetaria Christianity?

The main point is - these passages have a context to them, and like the Bible the Quran has verses limiting the use of violence - in fact, far more than Christianity which is kind of open ended with no rules. But everyone wants to cherry pick don't they?

You don't know the Bible, that's patently obvious. The New Covenant brought the sides together, nullifying much of the Old Testament

I suggest you abandon this route you're on, you look foolish trying it

 

[eagle1462010]

Serious question here.

How would you go about banning Islam from America without violating the Constitution? Specifics if you please.

You can't, because it would be a clear violation of the Constitution. Which is why I voted No. Might surprise some here, but it is not the answer.

You don't have a lot of options against what is going on globally..........And this is a Global Problem.........Terror attacks are increasing in all areas of the World as the world tries to attack the tentacles of a Hydra.........A reactionary strategy versus a proactive strategy...........Nations will eventually be forced to start raiding, arresting, and/or deporting radical elements or those preaching it within their borders...........Which would include Mosques which will inflame even more trending to the Dark Side of Radical Islam. It will take us down the road of the slippery slope of Sedition Laws............which could backfire on us.............But the increasing number of attacks may very well FORCE US THERE.............

In regards to those Muslims who lived near the attackers............who knew they might be a problem............by not turning them in are they not aiding and abetting in a crime.................which might mean starting to charge those who refuse to turn in Radicals with a Crime................

This is all dangerous territory.........but eventually........as the attacks continue......we may very well have to go down this slippery slope.

We are approaching a regional War in the Middle East to end the Caliphate.............Which will only happen after enough have died to say "enough's enough.

That is an extremely dangerous precedent to set. Stalinist even.

BS..............you can be charged with aiding and abetting if you see a crime and do nothing about it now. In many of the cases people around the terrorist knew crap was going on.........but didn't do anything or report it....................could be considered aiding and abetting.

In regards to Mosques practicing radical movements................it is dangerous but they could be charged with Sedition.

I've already said a slippery slope.........provided documents of Law Enforcement tracking cells and knowing radical elements..........but PROTECTED BY OUR LAWS.........even though they might perform the next attack.

So the families of killers should al lbe charged with aiding and abetting just on the basis of their being the family?

If they knew they were going radical and could be a danger.........and did nothing...............YEAH LOCK THEIR ASSES UP

 

[depotoo]

C4 survey and documentary reveals What British Muslims Really Think - Channel 4 - Info - Press

Honey, the ones lost in fear are the ones denying. And those muslims that have changed most won't speak out, because they also live in fear.

"attacking"? You call a dialogue on an anonymous message board an "attack"? Oh boy.....you really need to be made of sterner stuff. You're a cream puff.

Do you really think that nobody notices how you, Coyote and the rest of your repulsive ilk never spend so much as a nanosecond expressing any disapproval at all for the actions, yet have endless time devoted to posting reams of invective against those who do?

You are even less intelligent than I imagined.

You don't pay attention much do you. Well, being lost in your own fear to the point of getting tunnel vision will do that to you.

Not because they live in fear...because they sympathize.

Reminder: Study Finds Two-Thirds Of British Muslims WOULD NOT Report A Terror Plot – MILO NEWS

The article says there was a study, but never cited that study.

 

[Uncensored2008]

[
The link I provided above lists many quotes from Hitler on his Christianity.

Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikiquote

And?

How does that show that Nazism was a religious movement, Herr Himmler?

 

[Coyote]

Which religion says to kill any that leave it? Islam.

Sahih al-Bukhari Book Number 84 Hadith Number 57 - Muflihun

There are a lot of Hadith's and many contradict each other. Apostacy laws are barbaric and should be discarded or reinterpreted. Christianity and Judaism has done so. Time for Islam.

Apostasy: Thought Crime in Judaism, Christianity and Islam
Apostasy is the act of leaving a religion. It is deconversion. Normally it involves taking up another religion and sometimes it involves the taking up of a stance skeptical of all religions. If deconversion is the result of no longer believing that gods exist, then, the result is atheism. "Heresy" is the holding of beliefs that central religious authorities (or mobs) deem to be unacceptable. Religions often engage in a lot of internal suppression in these matters, subjecting their own followers to careful scrutiny to make sure that they are not merely believers, but, that they believe precisely the correct things. Dominant monotheistic religions often consider heresy to be the same as apostasy because they reject the concept of diversity or freedom of thought. Neil Kressel in his book on religious extremism lists "the willingness to implement violent sanctions against those who leave the fold"" as one of religion's most dangerous attributes (out of three)1. They have often made deconversion and heresy punishable by death, especially in historical Judaism and Christianity, and it still continues in present-day Islam.

 

[Uncensored2008]

[

Lets outlaw ISIS.

ISIS is standard Sunni Islam.

So you are the one saying that Islam should be outlawed.

Nazi's are standard Christianity.
.

That's pure unadulterated bullshit.
The Nazis were not Christians, the Party was their religion above all else.
If anything the Nazis aligned themselves with the Islam

It's the same bullshit as equating ISIS with Islam.

No it's not and you'r blatantly lying about it

Once again you trot onto a thread to defend Muslims.

Of course she is defending Islam. The enemy of America is the friend of the democrat. Simple fact.

Should America fall, THEN Coyote will turn on her Muslim allies.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Which religion says to kill any that leave it? Islam.

Sahih al-Bukhari Book Number 84 Hadith Number 57 - Muflihun

There are a lot of Hadith's and many contradict each other. Apostacy laws are barbaric and should be discarded or reinterpreted. Christianity and Judaism has done so. Time for Islam.

Apostasy: Thought Crime in Judaism, Christianity and Islam
Apostasy is the act of leaving a religion. It is deconversion. Normally it involves taking up another religion and sometimes it involves the taking up of a stance skeptical of all religions. If deconversion is the result of no longer believing that gods exist, then, the result is atheism. "Heresy" is the holding of beliefs that central religious authorities (or mobs) deem to be unacceptable. Religions often engage in a lot of internal suppression in these matters, subjecting their own followers to careful scrutiny to make sure that they are not merely believers, but, that they believe precisely the correct things. Dominant monotheistic religions often consider heresy to be the same as apostasy because they reject the concept of diversity or freedom of thought. Neil Kressel in his book on religious extremism lists "the willingness to implement violent sanctions against those who leave the fold"" as one of religion's most dangerous attributes (out of three)1. They have often made deconversion and heresy punishable by death, especially in historical Judaism and Christianity, and it still continues in present-day Islam.

It continues in present-day Islam is right, when a doctor father is chasing his daughter around with a sword trying to decapitate her for leaving Islam in 90s suburban America.

 

[depotoo]

And the military has what to do with what I posted?

Young Muslims who abandon their faith face violent retaliation and abuse from their families, a support group said yesterday.

The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain said those born into the religion are often frightened of speaking out – and those that do are in danger of attack.



Read more: Young Muslims who quit the faith 'live in fear of violent revenge' | Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

The most highly religious U.S. Muslims – the 23% of Muslims who attend mosque at least weekly, pray all five salah a day, and say religion is very important to them personally – overwhelmingly oppose homosexuality, with 73% saying it should be discouraged by society. Muslim Americans with a medium level of religious commitment, who constitute about half of all Muslims, also generally believe homosexuality should be discouraged (66% vs. 21%). By comparison, Muslim Americans with relatively low religious commitment (about a quarter of the total) are divided: 43% say homosexuality should be discouraged while 47% say it should be accepted.

Both native-born Muslims and foreign-born Muslims express similar levels of disapproval of homosexuality. But native-born African American Muslims stand out for their particularly high levels of opposition to homosexuality (75% say homosexuality should be discouraged).

Overall, 8% of Muslim Americans say suicide bombings against civilian targets tactics are often (1%) or sometimes (7%) justified in the defense of Islam. Muslims in France, Spain and Great Britain were twice as likely as Muslims in the U.S. to say suicide bombing can be often or sometimes justified, and acceptance of the tactic is far more widespread among Muslims in Nigeria, Jordan and Egypt.

There are few differences on this question
in the United States across Muslim ethnic groups,
but age is an important factor. Younger Muslims
in the U.S. are more willing to accept suicide
bombing in the defense of Islam than are their
older counterparts. Among Muslims younger than
30, for example, 15% say that suicide bombing can often or sometimes be justified (2% often, 13% sometimes), while about two-thirds (69%) say that such tactics are never justified.

In general, Muslim Americans reject the idea that their fellow Muslims in the U.S. are becoming less religious. Roughly four-in-10 (43%) say that Muslims in the United States are not changing very much in terms of their religiosity. If anything, a greater percentage says that U.S. Muslims are becoming more religious (31%) rather than less religious (17%).

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf

Polls on American muslims show their views are in line with most other American religious groups in terms of homosexuals, women's rights and violence. In fact in one poll evangelicals had a rate of support for saying that targeting civilians could sometimes be justified.

People are scared and that fear is driving them to call for things that are outright unamerican.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Legal matter...............you can identify groups of people to a terror organization............But a formal declaration on it..............is a slippery slope...............

If we were fighting this against a nation instead of those outside.........it would have been over a long time ago.

We are fighting against Nations. Syria - where Barack Obama funded and armed ISIS. Iran, where Barack Obama aided efforts to build nuclear weapons. Yemen, where Barack Obama aided the overthrow of a friendly government and the installation of Al Qaeda to rule.

We have a serious problem with terrorists, but until we stop the TRAITORS, we will never prevail.

 

[tycho1572]

ISIS is standard Sunni Islam.

So you are the one saying that Islam should be outlawed.

Nazi's are standard Christianity.
.

That's pure unadulterated bullshit.
The Nazis were not Christians, the Party was their religion above all else.
If anything the Nazis aligned themselves with the Islam

It's the same bullshit as equating ISIS with Islam.

No it's not and you'r blatantly lying about it

Once again you trot onto a thread to defend Muslims.

Of course she is defending Islam. The enemy of America is the friend of the democrat. Simple fact.

Should America fall, THEN Coyote will turn on her Muslim allies.

Coyote is a Muslim?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

ISIS is standard Sunni Islam.

So you are the one saying that Islam should be outlawed.

Nazi's are standard Christianity.
.

That's pure unadulterated bullshit.
The Nazis were not Christians, the Party was their religion above all else.
If anything the Nazis aligned themselves with the Islam

It's the same bullshit as equating ISIS with Islam.

No it's not and you'r blatantly lying about it

Once again you trot onto a thread to defend Muslims.

Of course she is defending Islam. The enemy of America is the friend of the democrat. Simple fact.

Should America fall, THEN Coyote will turn on her Muslim allies.

It'd be too late, the Muslims would kill her. That's the hilarious thing, the Muzzies view her as an infidel also

Dumbass demoquacks

 

[Uncensored2008]

ISIS is standard Sunni Islam.

So you are the one saying that Islam should be outlawed.

Nazi's are standard Christianity.
.

That's pure unadulterated bullshit.
The Nazis were not Christians, the Party was their religion above all else.
If anything the Nazis aligned themselves with the Islam

It's the same bullshit as equating ISIS with Islam.

No it's not and you'r blatantly lying about it

Once again you trot onto a thread to defend Muslims.

You misspelled "1st Amendment" as in "a thread to defend the 1st Amendment".

What?

This is a thread about Obama's Muslim Brotherhood staging a terrorist attack on London Bridge.

Your war to end the 1st is peripheral at best to the thread.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Young Muslims who abandon their faith face violent retaliation and abuse from their families, a support group said yesterday.

The Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain said those born into the religion are often frightened of speaking out – and those that do are in danger of attack.



Read more: Young Muslims who quit the faith 'live in fear of violent revenge' | Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

The most highly religious U.S. Muslims – the 23% of Muslims who attend mosque at least weekly, pray all five salah a day, and say religion is very important to them personally – overwhelmingly oppose homosexuality, with 73% saying it should be discouraged by society. Muslim Americans with a medium level of religious commitment, who constitute about half of all Muslims, also generally believe homosexuality should be discouraged (66% vs. 21%). By comparison, Muslim Americans with relatively low religious commitment (about a quarter of the total) are divided: 43% say homosexuality should be discouraged while 47% say it should be accepted.

Both native-born Muslims and foreign-born Muslims express similar levels of disapproval of homosexuality. But native-born African American Muslims stand out for their particularly high levels of opposition to homosexuality (75% say homosexuality should be discouraged).

Overall, 8% of Muslim Americans say suicide bombings against civilian targets tactics are often (1%) or sometimes (7%) justified in the defense of Islam. Muslims in France, Spain and Great Britain were twice as likely as Muslims in the U.S. to say suicide bombing can be often or sometimes justified, and acceptance of the tactic is far more widespread among Muslims in Nigeria, Jordan and Egypt.

There are few differences on this question
in the United States across Muslim ethnic groups,
but age is an important factor. Younger Muslims
in the U.S. are more willing to accept suicide
bombing in the defense of Islam than are their
older counterparts. Among Muslims younger than
30, for example, 15% say that suicide bombing can often or sometimes be justified (2% often, 13% sometimes), while about two-thirds (69%) say that such tactics are never justified.

In general, Muslim Americans reject the idea that their fellow Muslims in the U.S. are becoming less religious. Roughly four-in-10 (43%) say that Muslims in the United States are not changing very much in terms of their religiosity. If anything, a greater percentage says that U.S. Muslims are becoming more religious (31%) rather than less religious (17%).

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf

Polls on American muslims show their views are in line with most other American religious groups in terms of homosexuals, women's rights and violence. In fact in one poll evangelicals had a rate of support for saying that targeting civilians could sometimes be justified.

People are scared and that fear is driving them to call for things that are outright unamerican.

Terrorism isn't bombing runs in a declared war, Brown Shirt.

If only you fascists could occasionally be honest, we might get somewhere/

 

[Uncensored2008]

[
Not because they live in fear...because they sympathize.

Reminder: Study Finds Two-Thirds Of British Muslims WOULD NOT Report A Terror Plot – MILO NEWS

Exactly, The left isn't misguided, they are the enemy.

Well, if 50% + of your fellow American citizens are the enemy....what are you going to do about it....besides kvetch?

You are not 50%, and remember is was you of the Soros Reich who started this civil war we find ourselves in.

What will I do about it? Condemn you fascists at every turn, expose your treason and highlight the evil that you promote.

Same as I have been doing for years.

 

[Papageorgio]

All Muslims in Japan are under surveillance:
Japan has ruled to spy on all Muslims – after living there, this is no surprise


There is no such thing as a foreign Muslim citizen of Japan, the only Muslim citizens of Japan are converts, death to Islam, Je Suis Breivik!

So...you are recommending that all muslims be put under surveillance....put listening devices in homes....places of business...mosques...?

That's what needs to be done. I bet more than 50% of the mosques in America get closed.

So....you throw away the Bill of Rights with both shaking hands.

STFU.

18 U.S. Code § 2331 - Definitions

"involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;"


Perfectly legal. They don't even have to know they're being monitored.

Acts not religion. If a specific mosque is reported as inciting violence then by all means watch it.

The irony of this is the arguments you make can be made against gun owners. You are perfectly willing to give away other people's rights but don't touch yours.

Legal gun owners have committed how many acts of terror?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Nazi's are standard Christianity.
.

That's pure unadulterated bullshit.
The Nazis were not Christians, the Party was their religion above all else.
If anything the Nazis aligned themselves with the Islam

It's the same bullshit as equating ISIS with Islam.

No it's not and you'r blatantly lying about it

Once again you trot onto a thread to defend Muslims.

Of course she is defending Islam. The enemy of America is the friend of the democrat. Simple fact.

Should America fall, THEN Coyote will turn on her Muslim allies.

Coyote is a Muslim?

Nope, Coyote is a Fascist democrat. She supports Muslims because they have a common enemy, America.

 

[bodecea]

ISIS is standard Sunni Islam.

So you are the one saying that Islam should be outlawed.

Nazi's are standard Christianity.
.

That's pure unadulterated bullshit.
The Nazis were not Christians, the Party was their religion above all else.
If anything the Nazis aligned themselves with the Islam

It's the same bullshit as equating ISIS with Islam.

No it's not and you'r blatantly lying about it

Once again you trot onto a thread to defend Muslims.

Of course she is defending Islam. The enemy of America is the friend of the democrat. Simple fact.

Should America fall, THEN Coyote will turn on her Muslim allies.

How sad to see so many posters here quick to equate defending the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the 1st Amendment with "defending Islam". You have to wonder how many of them were dropped on their heads as infants.

 

[Marianne]

Which religion says to kill any that leave it? Islam.

Sahih al-Bukhari Book Number 84 Hadith Number 57 - Muflihun

That's where I'd argue it's not a religion, it's a death cult. IDK what the bleeding heart liberals expect from Islam. It's a belief system created by the murdering thug Mohammad, so the apple doesn't fall far from that tree. Just because it has many adherents doesn't mean it's a legit religion. Most of those adherents are the ancestors of people who were converted at the point of a sword. Because Islam doesn't allow apostates to live, most adherents stay if not for any other reason but to stay alive.

Time to ban the death cult of Islam in the west. Anyone wanting to continue can go move to the middle east.

 

[bodecea]

[
Not because they live in fear...because they sympathize.

Reminder: Study Finds Two-Thirds Of British Muslims WOULD NOT Report A Terror Plot – MILO NEWS

Exactly, The left isn't misguided, they are the enemy.

Well, if 50% + of your fellow American citizens are the enemy....what are you going to do about it....besides kvetch?

You are not 50%, and remember is was you of the Soros Reich who started this civil war we find ourselves in.

What will I do about it? Condemn you fascists at every turn, expose your treason and highlight the evil that you promote.

Same as I have been doing for years.

We are 50% if not more....thank goodness we aren't the minority that can't or won't tell the difference between defending the U.S. Constitution and defending some religion that the scared frightened mice on the #RussianW are so terrified of they would give their rights away in a heartbeat.