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BUILD THE WALL. I don't give a damn who pays for it. Me, you or the man on the moon. Build it.

lol I'm not even talking about the effect of illegal immigration. I'm saying the wall is an incredibly stupid idea.

An even stupider one is not building one and continuing to allow all of central/south america's impoverished to walk across the border and collect free benefits and welfare.
Solution: Eliminate welfare and don't build a wall. Win-win.
 
I guess we should have saved the pieces of the Berlin Wall that Reagan supposedly tore down.

The Berlin wall worked.

As a symbol that helped bring down the despotic government that built it, yeah... worked like a charm.

The Berlin wall was built to keep people from escaping Communism. The US wall is considered to keep criminals, drug dealers and terrorists from entering the US. There is nothing despotic about enforcing a border.
Is that how the communists sold their wall? I'm betting they claimed it had something to do with keeping out criminals, terrorists, and capitalists out.
Are you afraid you won't be able to go to Mexico next year?
 
I don't want
Public television
Abortion
Shrimp on treadmill
Subsidized green energy
Continual welfare to the same able bodied individuals
Obamacare
Public funded college
Public funded sex changes
Free contraceptives
Etc....

Why should I have to pay for it?

A lot of people don’t want tanks, air craft carriers, etc… Can they decide not to pay for them?
No one has ever protested for cuts to military spending?
Checkmate

Not sure. Nor do I care.

The idea that you shouldn’t have to pay for things you don’t personally like is stupid. Its no wonder it’s being offered by Grampa Murked U

A lot of people don’t like PBS but fewer like Congress…. should we not fund them?


Really? my health care premiums have gone up 50% now and I dont like it. I have a much higher deductible now and I dont like that either. I guess you agree also then that the Forced government health care plan was a bad idea.

Well, you guys did what you were supposed to do, win an election to get that overturned. The problem is that you had Ted Cruz who was 100% going to overturn the entire thing damn the consequences, popularity, etc… And you had this pervert Donald Trump who said he would “replace it with something terrific”, never giving a specific about any of it.

And you guys voted for the pervert.
Please make sure Democrats run on bringing back Obamacare in 2018.
 
I guess we should have saved the pieces of the Berlin Wall that Reagan supposedly tore down.

The Berlin wall worked.

As a symbol that helped bring down the despotic government that built it, yeah... worked like a charm.

The Berlin wall was built to keep people from escaping Communism. The US wall is considered to keep criminals, drug dealers and terrorists from entering the US. There is nothing despotic about enforcing a border.
Is that how the communists sold their wall? I'm betting they claimed it had something to do with keeping out criminals, terrorists, and capitalists out.
Are you afraid you won't be able to go to Mexico next year?
We're talking about a government project. Make it 5 years, minimum.
 
All you lefties are backing off your it won't get built mantra and shifting to a you'll pay for it mantra.

I don't care. Build it.

We don't need a goddam wall around the United States. Ever read what's on the statue of liberty?

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
 
All you lefties are backing off your it won't get built mantra and shifting to a you'll pay for it mantra.

I don't care. Build it.

We don't need a goddam wall around the United States. Ever read what's on the statue of liberty?

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
Yeah, but she's French.
 
The Berlin wall worked.

As a symbol that helped bring down the despotic government that built it, yeah... worked like a charm.

The Berlin wall was built to keep people from escaping Communism. The US wall is considered to keep criminals, drug dealers and terrorists from entering the US. There is nothing despotic about enforcing a border.
Is that how the communists sold their wall? I'm betting they claimed it had something to do with keeping out criminals, terrorists, and capitalists out.
Are you afraid you won't be able to go to Mexico next year?
We're talking about a government project. Make it 5 years, minimum.
OK, you afraid of not being able to go to Mexico in 5 years?
 
As a symbol that helped bring down the despotic government that built it, yeah... worked like a charm.

The Berlin wall was built to keep people from escaping Communism. The US wall is considered to keep criminals, drug dealers and terrorists from entering the US. There is nothing despotic about enforcing a border.
Is that how the communists sold their wall? I'm betting they claimed it had something to do with keeping out criminals, terrorists, and capitalists out.
Are you afraid you won't be able to go to Mexico next year?
We're talking about a government project. Make it 5 years, minimum.
OK, you afraid of not being able to go to Mexico in 5 years?
No, I don't want to go to Mexico, and I also don't believe the wall will actually be built. But I've been wrong before.
 
I guess we should have saved the pieces of the Berlin Wall that Reagan supposedly tore down.

The Berlin wall worked.

As a symbol that helped bring down the despotic government that built it, yeah... worked like a charm.

The Berlin wall was built to keep people from escaping Communism. The US wall is considered to keep criminals, drug dealers and terrorists from entering the US. There is nothing despotic about enforcing a border.
Is that how the communists sold their wall? I'm betting they claimed it had something to do with keeping out criminals, terrorists, and capitalists out.

The Communists didn't have to "sell' the wall. You would lose the rather stupid bet.
 
All you lefties are backing off your it won't get built mantra and shifting to a you'll pay for it mantra.

I don't care. Build it.

We don't need a goddam wall around the United States. Ever read what's on the statue of liberty?

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

It doesn't say a word about letting in drugs or terrorists.
 
All you lefties are backing off your it won't get built mantra and shifting to a you'll pay for it mantra.

I don't care. Build it.
I do care. You hypocrites were crying abut the national debt the entire duration of Obama's presidency and now , because Trump has unilaterally decided to build a 2000 mile long wall with our tax dollars, you sheep bow your heads in supplication and without protest. You may buy his BS about Mexico paying for the damn wall but I don't. Trump wants to leave a stone legacy as monumental as the carvings at Mount Rushmore or, for that matter, the pyramids of Egypt. Trump's wall will be, in his mind, a lasting tribute to his megalomaniacal greatness.
He does not[t give a damn how effective it will be. And he knows that once it is finished. it can't be "repealed" like Obamacare.
Was this also true of Clinton and Schumer and other Democrats in Congress who voted money for it in 2006?
I don't know, is it? I don't know anything about who proposed to build a wall in 2006 . Please enlighten us.
"On October 26, 2006, U.S. President George W. Bush signed the Secure Fence Act of 2006 (Pub.L. 109–367) into law stating, “This bill will help protect the American people. This bill will make our borders more secure. It is an important step toward immigration reform."[1]

The bill was introduced on Sep. 13, 2006 by Peter T. King (R-NY). In the House of Representatives, the Fence Act passed 283 -138 on September 14, 2006. On September 29, 2006 – the Fence Act passed in the Senate 80 -19."

Secure Fence Act of 2006 - Wikipedia

Senator Clinton's position on illegal immigration was not too different from President Trump's position.

Well, I see a very BIG difference between a FENCE and a WALL!
lol No, you don't. Some parts of the "fence" the Democrat voted for are a wall and it is likely some parts of Trump's "wall" will be fencing. Both are intended as security barriers to keep Mexicans out. In 2006 Democrats wanted a security barrier to keep Mexicans out of the country but now they oppose it because they believe they need the Hispanic vote to win national elections. The really big difference is Democrats see everything as fuzzy political gestures to help them win elections and President Trump sees the wall as a concrete step to secure our southern border.
 
All you lefties are backing off your it won't get built mantra and shifting to a you'll pay for it mantra.

I don't care. Build it.

If you notice, they never complain about government spending unless it is trying to convince people that their fabulous health care programs can save money or convincing people that abortion will decrease the burden of the nanny state, etc.
 
I guess we should have saved the pieces of the Berlin Wall that Reagan supposedly tore down.

The Berlin wall worked.

As a symbol that helped bring down the despotic government that built it, yeah... worked like a charm.

The Berlin wall was built to keep people from escaping Communism. The US wall is considered to keep criminals, drug dealers and terrorists from entering the US. There is nothing despotic about enforcing a border.
Is that how the communists sold their wall? I'm betting they claimed it had something to do with keeping out criminals, terrorists, and capitalists out.

The Communists didn't have to "sell' the wall. You would lose the rather stupid bet.
Are you claiming that they literally just put up a wall with no propaganda surrounding it at all?
 
The Berlin wall worked.

As a symbol that helped bring down the despotic government that built it, yeah... worked like a charm.

The Berlin wall was built to keep people from escaping Communism. The US wall is considered to keep criminals, drug dealers and terrorists from entering the US. There is nothing despotic about enforcing a border.
Is that how the communists sold their wall? I'm betting they claimed it had something to do with keeping out criminals, terrorists, and capitalists out.

The Communists didn't have to "sell' the wall. You would lose the rather stupid bet.
Are you claiming that they literally just put up a wall with no propaganda surrounding it at all?

Yes! Communists don't need to "sell" anything in a country they forcefully occupy, such as east Germany after WWII and during the cold war.
 
As a symbol that helped bring down the despotic government that built it, yeah... worked like a charm.

The Berlin wall was built to keep people from escaping Communism. The US wall is considered to keep criminals, drug dealers and terrorists from entering the US. There is nothing despotic about enforcing a border.
Is that how the communists sold their wall? I'm betting they claimed it had something to do with keeping out criminals, terrorists, and capitalists out.

The Communists didn't have to "sell' the wall. You would lose the rather stupid bet.
Are you claiming that they literally just put up a wall with no propaganda surrounding it at all?

Yes! Communists don't need to "sell" anything in a country they forcefully occupy, such as east Germany after WWII and during the cold war.
So what was the purpose of Pravda?
 
The Berlin wall was built to keep people from escaping Communism. The US wall is considered to keep criminals, drug dealers and terrorists from entering the US. There is nothing despotic about enforcing a border.
Is that how the communists sold their wall? I'm betting they claimed it had something to do with keeping out criminals, terrorists, and capitalists out.

The Communists didn't have to "sell' the wall. You would lose the rather stupid bet.
Are you claiming that they literally just put up a wall with no propaganda surrounding it at all?

Yes! Communists don't need to "sell" anything in a country they forcefully occupy, such as east Germany after WWII and during the cold war.
So what was the purpose of Pravda?
And why is North Korea the most propagandized population on the planet today? Surely there's no need for it.
 
Is that how the communists sold their wall? I'm betting they claimed it had something to do with keeping out criminals, terrorists, and capitalists out.

The Communists didn't have to "sell' the wall. You would lose the rather stupid bet.
Are you claiming that they literally just put up a wall with no propaganda surrounding it at all?

Yes! Communists don't need to "sell" anything in a country they forcefully occupy, such as east Germany after WWII and during the cold war.
So what was the purpose of Pravda?
And why is North Korea the most propagandized population on the planet today? Surely there's no need for it.

What you call propagandized I call enslaved. It is just a matter of semantics.
 

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