BUILD THE WALL. I don't give a damn who pays for it. Me, you or the man on the moon. Build it.

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The Communists didn't have to "sell' the wall. You would lose the rather stupid bet.

Are you claiming that they literally just put up a wall with no propaganda surrounding it at all?

Yes! Communists don't need to "sell" anything in a country they forcefully occupy, such as east Germany after WWII and during the cold war.

So what was the purpose of Pravda?

And why is North Korea the most propagandized population on the planet today? Surely there's no need for it.

What you call propagandized I call enslaved. It is just a matter of semantics.

After a quick search I found out I was right! Happy day.

The Eastern Bloc claimed that the Wall was erected to protect its population from fascist elements conspiring to prevent the "will of the people" in building a socialist state in East Germany. In practice, the Wall served to prevent the massive emigration and defection that had marked East Germany and the communist Eastern Bloc during the post-World War II period.

The Berlin Wall was officially referred to as the "Anti-Fascist Protective Wall" (German: Antifaschistischer Schutzwall) by GDR authorities, implying that the NATO countries and West Germany in particular were considered equal to "fascists" by GDR propaganda.

The Berlin Wall

So I won the bet. Feels good.

 

[Campbell]

The Berlin wall was built to keep people from escaping Communism. The US wall is considered to keep criminals, drug dealers and terrorists from entering the US. There is nothing despotic about enforcing a border.

Is that how the communists sold their wall? I'm betting they claimed it had something to do with keeping out criminals, terrorists, and capitalists out.

Are you afraid you won't be able to go to Mexico next year?

We're talking about a government project. Make it 5 years, minimum.

OK, you afraid of not being able to go to Mexico in 5 years?

No, I don't want to go to Mexico, and I also don't believe the wall will actually be built. But I've been wrong before.

If it is built it will be built by goddam fools.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Are you claiming that they literally just put up a wall with no propaganda surrounding it at all?

Yes! Communists don't need to "sell" anything in a country they forcefully occupy, such as east Germany after WWII and during the cold war.

So what was the purpose of Pravda?

And why is North Korea the most propagandized population on the planet today? Surely there's no need for it.

What you call propagandized I call enslaved. It is just a matter of semantics.

After a quick search I found out I was right! Happy day.

The Eastern Bloc claimed that the Wall was erected to protect its population from fascist elements conspiring to prevent the "will of the people" in building a socialist state in East Germany. In practice, the Wall served to prevent the massive emigration and defection that had marked East Germany and the communist Eastern Bloc during the post-World War II period.

The Berlin Wall was officially referred to as the "Anti-Fascist Protective Wall" (German: Antifaschistischer Schutzwall) by GDR authorities, implying that the NATO countries and West Germany in particular were considered equal to "fascists" by GDR propaganda.

The Berlin Wall

So I won the bet. Feels good.

The people of East Germany were also told by the government for decades they lived in a paradise compared to the West.

It's what happens when one lets government grow large and control everything.

 

[nat4900]

1/3 of Israeli citizens is Arab.
What happens when one Jew moves in next door to a Palestinian?

Well, you're correct.....Palestinians have a very difficult time being nice to those who robbed them of their land....People are funny like that.

 

[dblack]

I guess we should have saved the pieces of the Berlin Wall that Reagan supposedly tore down.

The Berlin wall worked.

As a symbol that helped bring down the despotic government that built it, yeah... worked like a charm.

The Berlin wall was built to keep people from escaping Communism. The US wall is considered to keep criminals, drug dealers and terrorists from entering the US. There is nothing despotic about enforcing a border.

Is that how the communists sold their wall? I'm betting they claimed it had something to do with keeping out criminals, terrorists, and capitalists out.

Are you afraid you won't be able to go to Mexico next year?

I'm not afraid, necessarily. But I love Big Bend park, and the Rio Grande is really beautiful. It will be a depressing reminder just how far down country has slipped to see the vista blocked by a wall. All in a vain attempt to appease ignorant rednecks.

 

[dblack]

The Berlin wall was built to keep people from escaping Communism. The US wall is considered to keep criminals, drug dealers and terrorists from entering the US. There is nothing despotic about enforcing a border.

Is that how the communists sold their wall? I'm betting they claimed it had something to do with keeping out criminals, terrorists, and capitalists out.

Are you afraid you won't be able to go to Mexico next year?

We're talking about a government project. Make it 5 years, minimum.

OK, you afraid of not being able to go to Mexico in 5 years?

No, I don't want to go to Mexico, and I also don't believe the wall will actually be built. But I've been wrong before.

Three months ago, I'd have agreed with you. At this point, I think the only way it won't be built is if a significant portion of Trump supporters grow a pair and fight him in his attempt to drag us into fascism.

 

[dblack]

True, but we also need to not half-ass building it either. Build a big beautiful, impenetrable wall!

Yeah! Cuz' Mexicans don't know about boats.
Or tunnels. Bahahahahaaaaa......

Or ladders.

 

[Norman]

All you lefties are backing off your it won't get built mantra and shifting to a you'll pay for it mantra.

I don't care. Build it.

They were wrong about everything. Why would they not be wrong about the wall?

 

[Unkotare]

A thousand miles of wall shouldn't take too long

China did it long ago...

But it didn't work.

 

[nat4900]

Yeah! Cuz' Mexicans don't know about boats.
Or tunnels. Bahahahahaaaaa......

trump will soon propose walls to be built along the Pacific and Caribbean....LOL

 

[Unkotare]

Instead of spending money on a wall, we just need to erect a huge mirror along the border. When Mexico sees all those people on the way into their country, they will build a wall on their side.

 

[rhodescholar]

We don't need a goddam wall around the United States. Ever read what's on the statue of liberty?

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

The people who walked past that sign on Ellis Island had something called a VISA to legally enter this country; the 35 MM illegals from mexico, honduras, china and every other similar shithole do not.

 

[Darkwind]

True, but we also need to not half-ass building it either. Build a big beautiful, impenetrable wall!

They should model it after your skull.

Prefab. They get installed quick. Just ask the Palestinians.

I can hear Trump now. The was wall is FABoulus. PreFABulous.....

LOL

and how quickly will he get the money from the Mexicans.?

Who cares. It isn't as if you do. You are just looking for a way to demean a Republican.

 

[NYcarbineer]

True, but we also need to not half-ass building it either. Build a big beautiful, impenetrable wall!

They should model it after your skull.

Prefab. They get installed quick. Just ask the Palestinians.

I can hear Trump now. The was wall is FABoulus. PreFABulous.....

LOL

and how quickly will he get the money from the Mexicans.?

Who cares. It isn't as if you do. You are just looking for a way to demean a Republican.

Demean a Republican for lying?

lol

 

[Darkwind]

True, but we also need to not half-ass building it either. Build a big beautiful, impenetrable wall!

They should model it after your skull.

Prefab. They get installed quick. Just ask the Palestinians.

I can hear Trump now. The was wall is FABoulus. PreFABulous.....

LOL

and how quickly will he get the money from the Mexicans.?

Who cares. It isn't as if you do. You are just looking for a way to demean a Republican.

Demean a Republican for lying?

lol

The wall is moving forward. Congress is set to act on providing financing and work will begin in months. No lies in any of that. As I said, you're just out to call names against a Republican. You have nothing of substance to add to anything.

 

[Campbell]

Yeah! Cuz' Mexicans don't know about boats.
Or tunnels. Bahahahahaaaaa......

trump will soon propose walls to be built along the Pacific and Caribbean....LOL

He's gonna install laser death rays and change the flag to say, "Don't Tread On Me!"

 

[dblack]

gn f

They should model it after your skull.

Prefab. They get installed quick. Just ask the Palestinians.

I can hear Trump now. The was wall is FABoulus. PreFABulous.....

LOL

and how quickly will he get the money from the Mexicans.?

Who cares. It isn't as if you do. You are just looking for a way to demean a Republican.

Demean a Republican for lying?

lol

The wall is moving forward. Congress is set to act on providing financing and work will begin in months. No lies in any of that. As I said, you're just out to call names against a Republican. You have nothing of substance to add to anything.

It could be kinda cool. I know people who were present when the Berlin Wall came down. Maybe I'll have the chance to watch this one fall.

 

[dblack]

Yeah! Cuz' Mexicans don't know about boats.
Or tunnels. Bahahahahaaaaa......

trump will soon propose walls to be built along the Pacific and Caribbean....LOL

He's gonna install laser death rays and change the flag to say, "Don't Tread On Me!"

The new slogan will be "I got mine"

 

[Flopper]

A thousand miles of wall shouldn't take too long

China did it long ago, we have Huge earth movers now. Hope they go around California, and let them leave the USA. Mexico won't have to pay for wall around California, we will gladly pay for that part.


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It took 200 years and kids today climb it on field trips.

Trump's latest plan is to put a 20% tariff on Mexican goods coming out of Mexico which means the wall would be paid for not by the Mexican government but by US, Mexican, and International business shipping good into the US. Mexico said they would respond with tariffs on US goods coming into Mexico.

Although Mexico would suffer more than the US, both countries would suffer.

You are being misled ...

The 20% tariff proposal was just one of the alternatives used to describe how we might recover the money from Mexico. It is not a PLAN. You are being intentionally misinformed by the liberal media and some of their hacks who post here.

I said it was the latest plan not the only plan. To my knowledge Trump has not put forward an alternate plan other than the Mexican goverment forking over billions of dollars which seems a bit unlikely.

However, the GOP has a plan in which firms that import goods or services from abroad would not be able to count those costs against their overall profits. In effect, corporations would be paying taxes on the value of anything they buy from abroad. This is a rather clever sleight of hand that would allow Trump to claim Mexico is paying for the wall when in reality American corporations and thus consumers would be.

I think what the Trump administration is ignoring is that while they make plans for their great beautiful 2000 mile wall, the Mexican Peso is falling like a rock. The knee jerk reaction is of course, so what. However, the falling value of the peso and thus the rise in value of the US dollar is very likely to stem the tide of the voluntary return of illegal immigrants back to Mexico. This has always been a key part of Trump's deportation plan. As the Mexican economy weakens and tens of millions of Mexicans head north, Trump's beautiful peaceful migration of illegal immigrants south, may well turn into something quite different.

Trump’s spokesman’s ‘easy way’ to make Mexico pay for the wall has been revealed

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

We don't need a goddam wall around the United States. Ever read what's on the statue of liberty?

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

The people who walked past that sign on Ellis Island had something called a VISA to legally enter this country; the 35 MM illegals from mexico, honduras, china and every other similar shithole do not.

Friend...you need a history lesson:

Ellis Island
Ellis Island: The Island

Before becoming the famous Ellis Island, it was a small piece of land, composed of two islands, perfect for the Lenni Lenape Indians to use to find sea food. In the 1600s, the Dutch purchased the land. Over the years, several people owned the deed to those islands. Nobody was sure they wanted it because it had once been used by pirates for execution. It was once used as a fort for the War of 1812, but Fort Gibson was never attacked. However, upon building the fort, they built up the islands to make them larger. By 1890, a place for processing immigrants was desperately needed. Ellis was the perfect place.

Ellis Island: The Immigration Center

STRUCTURE OF THE ISLAND:
Ellis Island, the immigration station opened in 1892. It was so elegant; many thought it was a resort hotel. Unfortunately, the building burned on June 15th, 1897. The new Ellis opened in 1900. Throughout all this, the islands were filled in with dirt, making them big enough to allow for more rooms and adding on more than 224 acres of land. Ellis had become a series of small islands, connected by narrow walkways. Island one was used for processing immigrants, while Islands two and three housed hospitals.

IMMIGRANTS:
Ellis stayed open until 1954. Over all that time, approximately twelve million immigrants passed through the island. At the peak of immigration in 1907, almost 12,000 immigrants came each day. Many that traveled to America were from Europe, including countries such as Russia, Italy, Germany, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Denmark and Armenia. After 1917, checks for health issues, literacy and money became mandatory. Most first and second class passengers were able to be checked on the boats. It was believed that anyone who had enough money to buy a higher class ticket was least likely to cause trouble later. The third class passengers, sometimes referred to as steerage were taken to Ellis Island. Before arriving there, they were split up by people called groupers into different groups; first by boat, then into women and children, and men, and then into smaller groups of about thirty or so. Immigrants were given boarding cards that they later showed to Ellis Island officials.

Once they came to Ellis, they were inspected for any kind of illnesses. Inspectors looked at everything including their heads and eyes and were even watched for signs of limping. If anyone found anything wrong, they marked on their clothes with chalk in order to alert someone else later on. Here is a list of some of the codes they used when using the chalk.
H= Heart
L= Lameness
X= Suspected Mental Illness
EX: Examine Farther
Ct: Trachoma

Then they were checked off by inspectors from ship manifests and asked questions by officials. They had to have at least $20 and, after 1917, they had to read a passage in their own language. In all, most immigrants stayed on the island for about 3-5 hours if they passed all of their inspections.

Those that did not pass were required to stay on the island or return to their home country. Most families decided to stay together on the island and wait for their family member to be healthy again, even though some were not allowed to have visitors. A few kids were even there so long that they attended classes held on the island.

WORKERS:
In order to keep things running smoothly, there were lots of workers. Groupers (people that put immigrants into different groups based on gender, boat, ect.), doctors, inspectors, cooks, maids, dock workers, special inquiry jobs, nurses, administrators, social workers, teachers, interpreters and more. People that could be needed at any time, such as doctors and nurses, lived on the island, sometimes with their families. There were also many volunteers that came to help with or welcome the immigrants.

Ellis Island: The Museum

Eventually, immigration slowed down and Ellis Island closed its doors. In 1976, America’s Bicentennial, researchers recorded immigrant’s memories. Restoration of the island took place in the 1980s and in 1990, Ellis Island reopened as an immigrant museum and remains open to the public today.

More Facts about Ellis Island and an immigrant’s journey to becoming a citizen at that time.

Ellis Island sits in New York Bay, but is owned by both New York and New Jersey. New York owns the original land and New Jersey owns the area that was filled in for more room.

About a quarter of all Americans can trace their ancestry back to Ellis.

Irish immigrant, Annie Moore, was Ellis Island’s first immigrant. On January 1st, 1892, her 15th birthday, she arrived with her two younger brothers. She was awarded gold and a certificate, but she was more excited to finally be joining her parents in America. A statue of her still stands at Ellis.

Depending on the ship that immigrants were traveling on, the trip to America from Europe could take anywhere from five days to five weeks.

Before the 1920’s, immigrants did not need passports.

Most people were inspected in Europe before they boarded the boat and were regularly checked on the journey.

If immigrants were breathless from the walk up to Ellis Island, they were suspected of hiding an illness.

When inspectors checked immigrants’ eyes, some used metal hooks that were supposed to be used for buttoning shoes.

If immigrants claimed to already have a job waiting for them, they were more likely to be deported back to their homes because they were thought to be taking jobs away from people who were already Americans.

Inspectors usually tried to find reasons to legally turn someone away.

Women and girls who were traveling without a man were not permitted to leave the island until a male relative came to get them.

Girls had to be at least 16 if they were traveling alone, unless someone was waiting for them in America.

In 1913, there were more than 650 people working on Ellis.

Most of the workers on Ellis were immigrants themselves.

Sometimes a film crew would come to the island to shoot scenes for a movie set there.

In the 1920's, Congress set limits on the number of people that were allowed into America. This was called the quota system.

During World War II, the island housed people that were thought to be threats.

A Spanish immigrant named Rafael Guastavino tiled the ceiling of one of the rooms on Ellis in 1918. When they restored the building in the 1980’s, they only had to replace Seventeen of the 28,832. That’s only about 6%.

Nice history lesson. Fuck illegals from Mexico. Build the wall.