Building the wall is the most critical political issue in America, we must do it

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Does the right wing, have no Faith in Capitalism?

Clearly not.

They also have no faith in fiscal responsibility – the ‘wall’ of bigotry, fear, and hate is the epitome of wasteful government spending.

. The wall of bigotry, fear, and hate eh ?? Go pedal your bullcrap to the fools who will listen, because most Americans know the game with these cheap labor illegals, and these no background checked criminal aliens now being protected in these so called sanctuary cities.

The ‘wall’ is a symbol of bigotry and hate common to most on the right, representing the unwarranted fear conservatives have of change and diversity, having nothing to do with ‘securing’ the border or ‘facilitating’ public safety.

Criminals seeking to enter the country will find the means to do so, unimpeded by a ‘wall,’ rendering a ‘wall’ a waste of time, money, and resources.

 

[Camp]

Did Trump come up with the WALL talk on his own during the campaign or did he have specific groups feeding him his talking points about illegals and the wall to stop them ?? If it was a group or groups, then where are they now ??

Who were Trumps handlers, and are they even in his circle any longer ??

You know alot of people/supporters got on board with the big talk just because they knew that if he could make the Demon-crats uncomfortable for even a split second, then they would cheer him on no matter how outrageous the rehtoric was. You had the build that Wall crowd, the lock her up crowd, the support the middle class crowd, the reformer for everything wrong crowd, and it all resonated big time.

Wasn't Trump led by the birther crowd to challenge the legitamacy of Obamas birth certificate ? What happened to that crowd ??

Otherwise, is Trump really just a mouthpiece for all those who lost their voice in America, and a heroe to their causes even if some of their causes may have been a little off in their accuracy on what their overall problems actually we're or is it that Trump is being taken away from them by a far more powerful group be it the establishment crowd in Washington DC ?? Are we losing to the establishment crowd, the deep state crowd or just the status quoe crowd who just can't stand any shake up to the game in which they have created over many years now ??

Trump was smart enough (or I thought he was) to appeal to voters who found the immigration issue the most serious of all. He understood that other candidates were just dancing around the problem with their idiotic talk about reform. But we did"t ask for any reform and Trump knew it.

IMO, he now not only lost reelection, but the Congress and Senate to boot. Many from his largest group of supporters won't come out to vote Republican any longer. People are pissed.

When he first signed a budget, he didn't get the wall and promised us "next time." Well......next time is here, and instead of a wall, we got funding for PP, funding for sanctuary cities, funding for liberal media outlets, and some additional military spending. We only got one thing on our list, and that one thing was not at the top of our list.

So the libs were right all along. Trump won't come through for us either. Now the country will continue it's cesspool into demise as we keep racking up debt and getting very little in return.

Maybe Trump realized that pushing through radical change, that's only supported by a narrow majority of the country, is counter-productive and harmful to the country (even if you approve in the short term)?

I'm just kidding of course. Trump realizes nothing.

Stopping illegal immigration is radical change? No, that's not radical change. Commie Care was radical change.

You may be confusing stopping illegal immigration by building a wall on the southern border. Many thoughtful citizens in favor of effective and efficient immigration control consider the wall to be a huge waste of money that will not solve the problem. Worse, it is seen as an issue of ego for Trump.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Did Trump come up with the WALL talk on his own during the campaign or did he have specific groups feeding him his talking points about illegals and the wall to stop them ?? If it was a group or groups, then where are they now ??

Who were Trumps handlers, and are they even in his circle any longer ??

You know alot of people/supporters got on board with the big talk just because they knew that if he could make the Demon-crats uncomfortable for even a split second, then they would cheer him on no matter how outrageous the rehtoric was. You had the build that Wall crowd, the lock her up crowd, the support the middle class crowd, the reformer for everything wrong crowd, and it all resonated big time.

Wasn't Trump led by the birther crowd to challenge the legitamacy of Obamas birth certificate ? What happened to that crowd ??

Otherwise, is Trump really just a mouthpiece for all those who lost their voice in America, and a heroe to their causes even if some of their causes may have been a little off in their accuracy on what their overall problems actually we're or is it that Trump is being taken away from them by a far more powerful group be it the establishment crowd in Washington DC ?? Are we losing to the establishment crowd, the deep state crowd or just the status quoe crowd who just can't stand any shake up to the game in which they have created over many years now ??

Trump was smart enough (or I thought he was) to appeal to voters who found the immigration issue the most serious of all. He understood that other candidates were just dancing around the problem with their idiotic talk about reform. But we did"t ask for any reform and Trump knew it.

IMO, he now not only lost reelection, but the Congress and Senate to boot. Many from his largest group of supporters won't come out to vote Republican any longer. People are pissed.

When he first signed a budget, he didn't get the wall and promised us "next time." Well......next time is here, and instead of a wall, we got funding for PP, funding for sanctuary cities, funding for liberal media outlets, and some additional military spending. We only got one thing on our list, and that one thing was not at the top of our list.

So the libs were right all along. Trump won't come through for us either. Now the country will continue it's cesspool into demise as we keep racking up debt and getting very little in return.

Maybe Trump realized that pushing through radical change, that's only supported by a narrow majority of the country, is counter-productive and harmful to the country (even if you approve in the short term)?

I'm just kidding of course. Trump realizes nothing.

Stopping illegal immigration is radical change? No, that's not radical change. Commie Care was radical change.

You may be confusing stopping illegal immigration by building a wall on the southern border. Many thoughtful citizens in favor of effective and efficient immigration control consider the wall to be a huge waste of money that will not solve the problem. Worse, it is seen as an issue of ego for Trump.

Walls would do the job. Much of our opioid products come from that southern border and over 60,000 Americans are dying from them every year.

I mean really.........if the Democrats thought the wall would be an utter failure, WTF would they be fighting so hard against it? If they thought it would destroy the Republicans, they would even help them get that wall.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Criminals seeking to enter the country will find the means to do so, unimpeded by a ‘wall,’ rendering a ‘wall’ a waste of time, money, and resources.

Yet your famous leftists and Hollywood types live behind those very same walls and fences. Better tell them they wasted their money.

 

[dblack]

Did Trump come up with the WALL talk on his own during the campaign or did he have specific groups feeding him his talking points about illegals and the wall to stop them ?? If it was a group or groups, then where are they now ??

Who were Trumps handlers, and are they even in his circle any longer ??

You know alot of people/supporters got on board with the big talk just because they knew that if he could make the Demon-crats uncomfortable for even a split second, then they would cheer him on no matter how outrageous the rehtoric was. You had the build that Wall crowd, the lock her up crowd, the support the middle class crowd, the reformer for everything wrong crowd, and it all resonated big time.

Wasn't Trump led by the birther crowd to challenge the legitamacy of Obamas birth certificate ? What happened to that crowd ??

Otherwise, is Trump really just a mouthpiece for all those who lost their voice in America, and a heroe to their causes even if some of their causes may have been a little off in their accuracy on what their overall problems actually we're or is it that Trump is being taken away from them by a far more powerful group be it the establishment crowd in Washington DC ?? Are we losing to the establishment crowd, the deep state crowd or just the status quoe crowd who just can't stand any shake up to the game in which they have created over many years now ??

Trump was smart enough (or I thought he was) to appeal to voters who found the immigration issue the most serious of all. He understood that other candidates were just dancing around the problem with their idiotic talk about reform. But we did"t ask for any reform and Trump knew it.

IMO, he now not only lost reelection, but the Congress and Senate to boot. Many from his largest group of supporters won't come out to vote Republican any longer. People are pissed.

When he first signed a budget, he didn't get the wall and promised us "next time." Well......next time is here, and instead of a wall, we got funding for PP, funding for sanctuary cities, funding for liberal media outlets, and some additional military spending. We only got one thing on our list, and that one thing was not at the top of our list.

So the libs were right all along. Trump won't come through for us either. Now the country will continue it's cesspool into demise as we keep racking up debt and getting very little in return.

Maybe Trump realized that pushing through radical change, that's only supported by a narrow majority of the country, is counter-productive and harmful to the country (even if you approve in the short term)?

I'm just kidding of course. Trump realizes nothing.

Stopping illegal immigration is radical change? No, that's not radical change. Commie Care was radical change.

You may be confusing stopping illegal immigration by building a wall on the southern border. Many thoughtful citizens in favor of effective and efficient immigration control consider the wall to be a huge waste of money that will not solve the problem. Worse, it is seen as an issue of ego for Trump.

Walls would do the job. Much of our opioid products come from that southern border and over 60,000 Americans are dying from them every year.

I mean really.........if the Democrats thought the wall would be an utter failure, WTF would they be fighting so hard against it? If they thought it would destroy the Republicans, they would even help them get that wall.

I don't care about the success of Democrats or Republicans. But if you jackboots build a wall, I'll vote for the first candidate promising to tear it down. So will a lot of other people. And it will all have been a waste. Why not find a solution that has real consensus?

 

[beagle9]

Does the right wing, have no Faith in Capitalism?

Clearly not.

They also have no faith in fiscal responsibility – the ‘wall’ of bigotry, fear, and hate is the epitome of wasteful government spending.

. The wall of bigotry, fear, and hate eh ?? Go pedal your bullcrap to the fools who will listen, because most Americans know the game with these cheap labor illegals, and these no background checked criminal aliens now being protected in these so called sanctuary cities.

The ‘wall’ is a symbol of bigotry and hate common to most on the right, representing the unwarranted fear conservatives have of change and diversity, having nothing to do with ‘securing’ the border or ‘facilitating’ public safety.

Criminals seeking to enter the country will find the means to do so, unimpeded by a ‘wall,’ rendering a ‘wall’ a waste of time, money, and resources.

You use the tired old bullcrap play about the word bigotry and hate as if it applies to everything when it don't, and people see through the bullcrap now. There is such things as security, character, safety, unity, sovereignty, and culture you know, and that trumps your blanket use of those words in order to narrow the field for political reasons.

 

[Camp]

Did Trump come up with the WALL talk on his own during the campaign or did he have specific groups feeding him his talking points about illegals and the wall to stop them ?? If it was a group or groups, then where are they now ??

Who were Trumps handlers, and are they even in his circle any longer ??

You know alot of people/supporters got on board with the big talk just because they knew that if he could make the Demon-crats uncomfortable for even a split second, then they would cheer him on no matter how outrageous the rehtoric was. You had the build that Wall crowd, the lock her up crowd, the support the middle class crowd, the reformer for everything wrong crowd, and it all resonated big time.

Wasn't Trump led by the birther crowd to challenge the legitamacy of Obamas birth certificate ? What happened to that crowd ??

Otherwise, is Trump really just a mouthpiece for all those who lost their voice in America, and a heroe to their causes even if some of their causes may have been a little off in their accuracy on what their overall problems actually we're or is it that Trump is being taken away from them by a far more powerful group be it the establishment crowd in Washington DC ?? Are we losing to the establishment crowd, the deep state crowd or just the status quoe crowd who just can't stand any shake up to the game in which they have created over many years now ??

Trump was smart enough (or I thought he was) to appeal to voters who found the immigration issue the most serious of all. He understood that other candidates were just dancing around the problem with their idiotic talk about reform. But we did"t ask for any reform and Trump knew it.

IMO, he now not only lost reelection, but the Congress and Senate to boot. Many from his largest group of supporters won't come out to vote Republican any longer. People are pissed.

When he first signed a budget, he didn't get the wall and promised us "next time." Well......next time is here, and instead of a wall, we got funding for PP, funding for sanctuary cities, funding for liberal media outlets, and some additional military spending. We only got one thing on our list, and that one thing was not at the top of our list.

So the libs were right all along. Trump won't come through for us either. Now the country will continue it's cesspool into demise as we keep racking up debt and getting very little in return.

Maybe Trump realized that pushing through radical change, that's only supported by a narrow majority of the country, is counter-productive and harmful to the country (even if you approve in the short term)?

I'm just kidding of course. Trump realizes nothing.

Stopping illegal immigration is radical change? No, that's not radical change. Commie Care was radical change.

You may be confusing stopping illegal immigration by building a wall on the southern border. Many thoughtful citizens in favor of effective and efficient immigration control consider the wall to be a huge waste of money that will not solve the problem. Worse, it is seen as an issue of ego for Trump.

Walls would do the job. Much of our opioid products come from that southern border and over 60,000 Americans are dying from them every year.

I mean really.........if the Democrats thought the wall would be an utter failure, WTF would they be fighting so hard against it? If they thought it would destroy the Republicans, they would even help them get that wall.

Your opinion about a wall doing the job is just an opinion, and an opinion disputed by empirical data. What you are claiming is that smuggling can be controlled by just building a barricade. Thousands of years of history proves you wrong. Smugglers will find a way around any wall or barricade you build.

 

[beagle9]

Trump was smart enough (or I thought he was) to appeal to voters who found the immigration issue the most serious of all. He understood that other candidates were just dancing around the problem with their idiotic talk about reform. But we did"t ask for any reform and Trump knew it.

IMO, he now not only lost reelection, but the Congress and Senate to boot. Many from his largest group of supporters won't come out to vote Republican any longer. People are pissed.

When he first signed a budget, he didn't get the wall and promised us "next time." Well......next time is here, and instead of a wall, we got funding for PP, funding for sanctuary cities, funding for liberal media outlets, and some additional military spending. We only got one thing on our list, and that one thing was not at the top of our list.

So the libs were right all along. Trump won't come through for us either. Now the country will continue it's cesspool into demise as we keep racking up debt and getting very little in return.

Maybe Trump realized that pushing through radical change, that's only supported by a narrow majority of the country, is counter-productive and harmful to the country (even if you approve in the short term)?

I'm just kidding of course. Trump realizes nothing.

Stopping illegal immigration is radical change? No, that's not radical change. Commie Care was radical change.

You may be confusing stopping illegal immigration by building a wall on the southern border. Many thoughtful citizens in favor of effective and efficient immigration control consider the wall to be a huge waste of money that will not solve the problem. Worse, it is seen as an issue of ego for Trump.

Walls would do the job. Much of our opioid products come from that southern border and over 60,000 Americans are dying from them every year.

I mean really.........if the Democrats thought the wall would be an utter failure, WTF would they be fighting so hard against it? If they thought it would destroy the Republicans, they would even help them get that wall.

I don't care about the success of Democrats or Republicans. But if you jackboots build a wall, I'll vote for the first candidate promising to tear it down. So will a lot of other people. And it will all have been a waste. Why not find a solution that has real consensus?

. Agree with the consensus being important, but do you really think that Demon-crats understand that word anymore ?

 

[beagle9]

Trump was smart enough (or I thought he was) to appeal to voters who found the immigration issue the most serious of all. He understood that other candidates were just dancing around the problem with their idiotic talk about reform. But we did"t ask for any reform and Trump knew it.

IMO, he now not only lost reelection, but the Congress and Senate to boot. Many from his largest group of supporters won't come out to vote Republican any longer. People are pissed.

When he first signed a budget, he didn't get the wall and promised us "next time." Well......next time is here, and instead of a wall, we got funding for PP, funding for sanctuary cities, funding for liberal media outlets, and some additional military spending. We only got one thing on our list, and that one thing was not at the top of our list.

So the libs were right all along. Trump won't come through for us either. Now the country will continue it's cesspool into demise as we keep racking up debt and getting very little in return.

Maybe Trump realized that pushing through radical change, that's only supported by a narrow majority of the country, is counter-productive and harmful to the country (even if you approve in the short term)?

I'm just kidding of course. Trump realizes nothing.

Stopping illegal immigration is radical change? No, that's not radical change. Commie Care was radical change.

You may be confusing stopping illegal immigration by building a wall on the southern border. Many thoughtful citizens in favor of effective and efficient immigration control consider the wall to be a huge waste of money that will not solve the problem. Worse, it is seen as an issue of ego for Trump.

Walls would do the job. Much of our opioid products come from that southern border and over 60,000 Americans are dying from them every year.

I mean really.........if the Democrats thought the wall would be an utter failure, WTF would they be fighting so hard against it? If they thought it would destroy the Republicans, they would even help them get that wall.

Your opinion about a wall doing the job is just an opinion, and an opinion disputed by empirical data. What you are claiming is that smuggling can be controlled by just building a barricade. Thousands of years of history proves you wrong. Smugglers will find a way around any wall or barricade you build.

.The wall is a bust I think, but stay tuned for some serious measures to be taken in order to stop the problem of illegal immigration to this country. Sanctuary cities will be ending, and tougher measures all around will become the norm in order to set examples that we are no longer the fool's that we all have been for the American traitorous business community in this country.

 

[dblack]

Maybe Trump realized that pushing through radical change, that's only supported by a narrow majority of the country, is counter-productive and harmful to the country (even if you approve in the short term)?

I'm just kidding of course. Trump realizes nothing.

Stopping illegal immigration is radical change? No, that's not radical change. Commie Care was radical change.

You may be confusing stopping illegal immigration by building a wall on the southern border. Many thoughtful citizens in favor of effective and efficient immigration control consider the wall to be a huge waste of money that will not solve the problem. Worse, it is seen as an issue of ego for Trump.

Walls would do the job. Much of our opioid products come from that southern border and over 60,000 Americans are dying from them every year.

I mean really.........if the Democrats thought the wall would be an utter failure, WTF would they be fighting so hard against it? If they thought it would destroy the Republicans, they would even help them get that wall.

I don't care about the success of Democrats or Republicans. But if you jackboots build a wall, I'll vote for the first candidate promising to tear it down. So will a lot of other people. And it will all have been a waste. Why not find a solution that has real consensus?

. Agree with the consensus being important, but do you really think that Demon-crats understand that word anymore ?

Irony much?

I think lots of people do. But we're pulled to partisan extremes by a voting system that's broken.

 

[Camp]

Maybe Trump realized that pushing through radical change, that's only supported by a narrow majority of the country, is counter-productive and harmful to the country (even if you approve in the short term)?

I'm just kidding of course. Trump realizes nothing.

Stopping illegal immigration is radical change? No, that's not radical change. Commie Care was radical change.

You may be confusing stopping illegal immigration by building a wall on the southern border. Many thoughtful citizens in favor of effective and efficient immigration control consider the wall to be a huge waste of money that will not solve the problem. Worse, it is seen as an issue of ego for Trump.

Walls would do the job. Much of our opioid products come from that southern border and over 60,000 Americans are dying from them every year.

I mean really.........if the Democrats thought the wall would be an utter failure, WTF would they be fighting so hard against it? If they thought it would destroy the Republicans, they would even help them get that wall.

Your opinion about a wall doing the job is just an opinion, and an opinion disputed by empirical data. What you are claiming is that smuggling can be controlled by just building a barricade. Thousands of years of history proves you wrong. Smugglers will find a way around any wall or barricade you build.

.The wall is a bust I think, but stay tuned for some serious measures to be taken in order to stop the problem of illegal immigration to this country. Sanctuary cities will be ending, and tougher measures all around will become the norm in order to set examples that we are no longer the fool's that we all have been for the American traitorous business community in this country.

The answer is inexpensive and not complicated. You said it. Business community. Hold them accountable and the problem will quickly solve itself.

 

[danielpalos]

Does the right wing, have no Faith in Capitalism?

Clearly not.

They also have no faith in fiscal responsibility – the ‘wall’ of bigotry, fear, and hate is the epitome of wasteful government spending.

. The wall of bigotry, fear, and hate eh ?? Go pedal your bullcrap to the fools who will listen, because most Americans know the game with these cheap labor illegals, and these no background checked criminal aliens now being protected in these so called sanctuary cities.

a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage!

 

[danielpalos]

Walling off our nation is radical change. And there's no consensus behind it.

What's radical about it? We have fences up already.

just right wing, "feel good" policies.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Trump was smart enough (or I thought he was) to appeal to voters who found the immigration issue the most serious of all. He understood that other candidates were just dancing around the problem with their idiotic talk about reform. But we did"t ask for any reform and Trump knew it.

IMO, he now not only lost reelection, but the Congress and Senate to boot. Many from his largest group of supporters won't come out to vote Republican any longer. People are pissed.

When he first signed a budget, he didn't get the wall and promised us "next time." Well......next time is here, and instead of a wall, we got funding for PP, funding for sanctuary cities, funding for liberal media outlets, and some additional military spending. We only got one thing on our list, and that one thing was not at the top of our list.

So the libs were right all along. Trump won't come through for us either. Now the country will continue it's cesspool into demise as we keep racking up debt and getting very little in return.

Maybe Trump realized that pushing through radical change, that's only supported by a narrow majority of the country, is counter-productive and harmful to the country (even if you approve in the short term)?

I'm just kidding of course. Trump realizes nothing.

Stopping illegal immigration is radical change? No, that's not radical change. Commie Care was radical change.

You may be confusing stopping illegal immigration by building a wall on the southern border. Many thoughtful citizens in favor of effective and efficient immigration control consider the wall to be a huge waste of money that will not solve the problem. Worse, it is seen as an issue of ego for Trump.

Walls would do the job. Much of our opioid products come from that southern border and over 60,000 Americans are dying from them every year.

I mean really.........if the Democrats thought the wall would be an utter failure, WTF would they be fighting so hard against it? If they thought it would destroy the Republicans, they would even help them get that wall.

Your opinion about a wall doing the job is just an opinion, and an opinion disputed by empirical data. What you are claiming is that smuggling can be controlled by just building a barricade. Thousands of years of history proves you wrong. Smugglers will find a way around any wall or barricade you build.

Some may, but many, many less than there would be with no wall.

Chances are rare that you will be killed by a drunk driver. Why? Because we have laws against drunk drivers. That doesn't' mean you are guaranteed never to get hit by one, but your odds would increase tenfold or more if we didn't have those laws.

Does the lock on your door and the right to own a gun guarantee you will never be a victim of home invasion? Of course not, but imagine if we lived in a society where locking your door and owning a gun was illegal.

I never said a wall will totally end illegals, but the border agencies all support Trump in building the wall. Why would that be if they knew it wouldn't' help the problem?

Hungary credits razor wire border fence for almost 100 percent drop in illegal migration

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You use the tired old bullcrap play about the word bigotry and hate as if it applies to everything when it don't, and people see through the bullcrap now. There is such things as security, character, safety, unity, sovereignty, and culture you know, and that trumps your blanket use of those words in order to narrow the field for political reasons.

Liberals have this fantasy that reverse psychology works on us on the right. They have no idea that we see right through their attempted guilt trip. Here is how a Democrat thinks it's supposed to work:

I want to see us build a wall to secure our country.

No, you want to build a wall because you are a racist and a bigot!

Well gee, I didn't think anybody thought of me that way. I don't want to be called or known as a bigot! So please, please don't call me that anymore. I won't support a wall for any reason.

In their little minds, they think this is actually going to happen.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Trump was smart enough (or I thought he was) to appeal to voters who found the immigration issue the most serious of all. He understood that other candidates were just dancing around the problem with their idiotic talk about reform. But we did"t ask for any reform and Trump knew it.

IMO, he now not only lost reelection, but the Congress and Senate to boot. Many from his largest group of supporters won't come out to vote Republican any longer. People are pissed.

When he first signed a budget, he didn't get the wall and promised us "next time." Well......next time is here, and instead of a wall, we got funding for PP, funding for sanctuary cities, funding for liberal media outlets, and some additional military spending. We only got one thing on our list, and that one thing was not at the top of our list.

So the libs were right all along. Trump won't come through for us either. Now the country will continue it's cesspool into demise as we keep racking up debt and getting very little in return.

Maybe Trump realized that pushing through radical change, that's only supported by a narrow majority of the country, is counter-productive and harmful to the country (even if you approve in the short term)?

I'm just kidding of course. Trump realizes nothing.

Stopping illegal immigration is radical change? No, that's not radical change. Commie Care was radical change.

You may be confusing stopping illegal immigration by building a wall on the southern border. Many thoughtful citizens in favor of effective and efficient immigration control consider the wall to be a huge waste of money that will not solve the problem. Worse, it is seen as an issue of ego for Trump.

Walls would do the job. Much of our opioid products come from that southern border and over 60,000 Americans are dying from them every year.

I mean really.........if the Democrats thought the wall would be an utter failure, WTF would they be fighting so hard against it? If they thought it would destroy the Republicans, they would even help them get that wall.

I don't care about the success of Democrats or Republicans. But if you jackboots build a wall, I'll vote for the first candidate promising to tear it down. So will a lot of other people. And it will all have been a waste. Why not find a solution that has real consensus?

Because nobody has the guts to offer a plan that would provide real results. Let me tell you mine:

Anybody caught in the US illegally after May 1, 2018 will be subject to a minimum 5 year prison sentence. It doesn't matter if you overstayed your VISA by one day, snuck across the border, or were brought here by your parents. When we catch you, you go to prison.

We would go from 11 million illegals to about 500 at most. And we wouldn't need a wall because everybody would be too scared to come here illegally.

 

[dblack]

Maybe Trump realized that pushing through radical change, that's only supported by a narrow majority of the country, is counter-productive and harmful to the country (even if you approve in the short term)?

I'm just kidding of course. Trump realizes nothing.

Stopping illegal immigration is radical change? No, that's not radical change. Commie Care was radical change.

You may be confusing stopping illegal immigration by building a wall on the southern border. Many thoughtful citizens in favor of effective and efficient immigration control consider the wall to be a huge waste of money that will not solve the problem. Worse, it is seen as an issue of ego for Trump.

Walls would do the job. Much of our opioid products come from that southern border and over 60,000 Americans are dying from them every year.

I mean really.........if the Democrats thought the wall would be an utter failure, WTF would they be fighting so hard against it? If they thought it would destroy the Republicans, they would even help them get that wall.

I don't care about the success of Democrats or Republicans. But if you jackboots build a wall, I'll vote for the first candidate promising to tear it down. So will a lot of other people. And it will all have been a waste. Why not find a solution that has real consensus?

Because nobody has the guts to offer a plan that would provide real results. Let me tell you mine:

Anybody caught in the US illegally after May 1, 2018 will be subject to a minimum 5 year prison sentence. It doesn't matter if you overstayed your VISA by one day, snuck across the border, or were brought here by your parents. When we catch you, you go to prison.

We would go from 11 million illegals to about 500 at most. And we wouldn't need a wall because everybody would be too scared to come here illegally.

Do you think you could get real consensus for your plan?

 

[Cellblock2429]

In the end, if we don't build the wall, the Democrats will smother us. They have already flipped California and New Mexico into solid blue States. Illegal voters have turned Nevada light blue. And they have turned Texas and Arizona from solid to light red.

The issue of illegal immigration has been an endless game of kick the can for decades. But this is it. The authoritarian leftist Democrat party is on the verge of a stranglehold on the country and the end of our freedom. That's why the Democrats fight so hysterically against the wall. They don't think it won't work, they know it will.

The reason this is THE issue is that for that reason, every other issue is dependent on the wall. If we don't build the wall, then Texas will eventually flip and with that alone we're done. Hispanics over time like all other Americans become more conservative as they become more successful. But that takes time and a million illegals coming here a year floods that.

I didn't vote for Trump last time for two main reasons. First, I'm a capitalist and he isn't. Free trade is the beating heart of capitalism. Second, he has been a pig to women. Unlike Democrats who voted twice for a sexual predator and again for his hoe who attacked his victims again, that does matter to me.

But now it's down to this. We must end the endless flow now. And for me, my decision of whether I will vote for him comes down to this. Build the wall and I'll vote for him. Don't, and I won't. I can't imagine what would make me flip from that. This is THE political question in our country. We must build the wall, and build it now.

I voted that I did not vote for 2016 but I will in 2020 because I believe/hope he'll actually do it.

Please explain your vote if you voted you will change your vote regarding Trump either way.

/——/ There is a gofundme account on Facebook to pay for the wall on the southern border. I’m not sure if I can post a link on USMB without violating some obscure rule but it’s easy to find.

 

[beagle9]

Does the right wing, have no Faith in Capitalism?

Clearly not.

They also have no faith in fiscal responsibility – the ‘wall’ of bigotry, fear, and hate is the epitome of wasteful government spending.

. The wall of bigotry, fear, and hate eh ?? Go pedal your bullcrap to the fools who will listen, because most Americans know the game with these cheap labor illegals, and these no background checked criminal aliens now being protected in these so called sanctuary cities.

a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage!

.No socialism... Employees are all different, and they are to be paid according to their contributions to the job. Yes a minimum wage should be required under state guidelines, but the rate should be set by the cost of living standard of the state in each case. The wage should be a start out wage, but not a long term wage for an employee. A percentage of profit sharing coupled with a ladder wage system in each company should exist beyond the minimum wage.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Stopping illegal immigration is radical change? No, that's not radical change. Commie Care was radical change.

You may be confusing stopping illegal immigration by building a wall on the southern border. Many thoughtful citizens in favor of effective and efficient immigration control consider the wall to be a huge waste of money that will not solve the problem. Worse, it is seen as an issue of ego for Trump.

Walls would do the job. Much of our opioid products come from that southern border and over 60,000 Americans are dying from them every year.

I mean really.........if the Democrats thought the wall would be an utter failure, WTF would they be fighting so hard against it? If they thought it would destroy the Republicans, they would even help them get that wall.

I don't care about the success of Democrats or Republicans. But if you jackboots build a wall, I'll vote for the first candidate promising to tear it down. So will a lot of other people. And it will all have been a waste. Why not find a solution that has real consensus?

Because nobody has the guts to offer a plan that would provide real results. Let me tell you mine:

Anybody caught in the US illegally after May 1, 2018 will be subject to a minimum 5 year prison sentence. It doesn't matter if you overstayed your VISA by one day, snuck across the border, or were brought here by your parents. When we catch you, you go to prison.

We would go from 11 million illegals to about 500 at most. And we wouldn't need a wall because everybody would be too scared to come here illegally.

Do you think you could get real consensus for your plan?

Not at all. That's the problem with politics today. Nobody has a set to take a stand.

Even if they did, some commie lib judge would put a stop to it one way or another. That's what they've been doing with all of the other Trump issues the minority couldn't stop.