CA Celebrates the Right to Suicide

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

This is an absolute goldmine for heirs tired of waiting for Uncle Ralph to die. Sick people won't be wasting assets on medical care any more.

Why do conservatives want people to suffer painful, agonizing deaths? I thought you were all about small government and individual liberty.

 

[Katzndogz]

This is an absolute goldmine for heirs tired of waiting for Uncle Ralph to die. Sick people won't be wasting assets on medical care any more.

Why do conservatives want people to suffer painful, agonizing deaths? I thought you were all about small government and individual liberty.

There is nothing anyone can do that prevents suicide. What these laws do is prepare the legal ground for killing people against their will. Now that the right to die is established, steps can be taken to transform that right into an obligation. If an individual is unable to assume the obligation on their own, caring and loving people will be happy to make that decision for you.

 

[Compost]

Much better way than blowing their brains out or jumping in front of a truck or something.

Yes because not all people die, and if a suicide fails they could end up in a worse position than they already were in. If the suicide failure has resulted in either complete paralysation or semi-complete paralysation, then they're going to be wanting to die even more and of course won't then have the ability to have another suicide attempt.

Sure. We all die. I just can't help but wonder about those people who offed themselves when they could still be alive. Is being in pain alive really not better than being dead? Even if you are in paralysation, how do we know that isn't a beautiful place to be? Why the rush out of it?

"Is being in pain alive really not better than being dead?"

I wouldn't think so, if you hear people discussing having to endure excruciating pain almost 24/7, most say they want to die, because they're not living, they're existing and existing under unbearable conditions.

To that sort of person, death is a release from that.

Some of the worst pain can be tooth pain. I remember reading about a man in America and he didn't have adequate insurance and he couldn't afford the dentist....so he went to San Francisco and chose a one-way ticket jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge.

Often when a persons in so much unending pain, death is the relief and embrace they wish.

"Even if you are in paralysation, how do we know that isn't a beautiful place to be?"

We have different ideas about what a beautiful place is. I certainly wouldn't refer to being in paralysation my idea of being in a beautiful place. Were I ever to be in such a terrible situation, then Mr. Lucy would know what I'd want him to do....get my Glock and at point blank range shoot me directly in the heart.

The point blank shot directly in the heart, much preferable to a head shot, the latter the bullet might get lodged in the brain, you mightn't die.

I can't help but remember my cousin. Bad luck. Liver cancer. Early thirties. Two little children. She was in and out of a coma (paralysation, right?) for months. She was terminal. When she was awake she was, of course, in pain. Those times when she was nonparlysational were no doubt awful but some of that time was spent visiting with others. I just can't help but think that if she'd have killed herself, not only she, but many other people would have missed out on something important.

Yeah. Pain sucks. Dying sucks. Maybe, just maybe, not playing your life out to natural death sucks too.

Should your cousin have had the option to make that decision?

Or should she have been prevented from making that decision?

Try reading what I said, instead of knee jerking about how I'm denying you something.

 

[Syriusly]

This is an absolute goldmine for heirs tired of waiting for Uncle Ralph to die. Sick people won't be wasting assets on medical care any more.

Why do conservatives want people to suffer painful, agonizing deaths? I thought you were all about small government and individual liberty.

There is nothing anyone can do that prevents suicide. What these laws do is prepare the legal ground for killing people against their will. Now that the right to die is established, steps can be taken to transform that right into an obligation. If an individual is unable to assume the obligation on their own, caring and loving people will be happy to make that decision for you.

So you don't think you do have a 'right to die'?

Should we be taking your gun away from you if you are terminally ill to prevent you from committing suicide?

 

[Syriusly]

Yes because not all people die, and if a suicide fails they could end up in a worse position than they already were in. If the suicide failure has resulted in either complete paralysation or semi-complete paralysation, then they're going to be wanting to die even more and of course won't then have the ability to have another suicide attempt.

Sure. We all die. I just can't help but wonder about those people who offed themselves when they could still be alive. Is being in pain alive really not better than being dead? Even if you are in paralysation, how do we know that isn't a beautiful place to be? Why the rush out of it?

"Is being in pain alive really not better than being dead?"

I wouldn't think so, if you hear people discussing having to endure excruciating pain almost 24/7, most say they want to die, because they're not living, they're existing and existing under unbearable conditions.

To that sort of person, death is a release from that.

Some of the worst pain can be tooth pain. I remember reading about a man in America and he didn't have adequate insurance and he couldn't afford the dentist....so he went to San Francisco and chose a one-way ticket jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge.

Often when a persons in so much unending pain, death is the relief and embrace they wish.

"Even if you are in paralysation, how do we know that isn't a beautiful place to be?"

We have different ideas about what a beautiful place is. I certainly wouldn't refer to being in paralysation my idea of being in a beautiful place. Were I ever to be in such a terrible situation, then Mr. Lucy would know what I'd want him to do....get my Glock and at point blank range shoot me directly in the heart.

The point blank shot directly in the heart, much preferable to a head shot, the latter the bullet might get lodged in the brain, you mightn't die.

I can't help but remember my cousin. Bad luck. Liver cancer. Early thirties. Two little children. She was in and out of a coma (paralysation, right?) for months. She was terminal. When she was awake she was, of course, in pain. Those times when she was nonparlysational were no doubt awful but some of that time was spent visiting with others. I just can't help but think that if she'd have killed herself, not only she, but many other people would have missed out on something important.

Yeah. Pain sucks. Dying sucks. Maybe, just maybe, not playing your life out to natural death sucks too.

Should your cousin have had the option to make that decision?

Or should she have been prevented from making that decision?

Try reading what I said, instead of knee jerking about how I'm denying you something.

Try responding to my question rather than dancing to avoid it.

Should your cousin have had the option to make that decision?

Or should she have been prevented from making that decision?

 

[Rustic]

Poor Jack Kevorkian, he was born too soon and died too soon to celebrate California's assisted suicide!


End of Life Option Act goes into effect in CA
California’s Physician-Assisted Suicide Law Goes Into Effect

A cowards easy way out ...

 

[Compost]

This is an absolute goldmine for heirs tired of waiting for Uncle Ralph to die. Sick people won't be wasting assets on medical care any more.

Why do conservatives want people to suffer painful, agonizing deaths? I thought you were all about small government and individual liberty.

I can't speak for all conservatives. I am not telling anybody they can't off themselves. I simply say that it is not necessarily positive for mankind when it is legal to have someone clinically removed.

This is a topic that could be interesting to discuss. Once we get passed those worried that they can't die the way they want to, maybe we can discuss it.

 

[guno]

what a mentally diseased worldview they have

 

[Katzndogz]

This is an absolute goldmine for heirs tired of waiting for Uncle Ralph to die. Sick people won't be wasting assets on medical care any more.

Why do conservatives want people to suffer painful, agonizing deaths? I thought you were all about small government and individual liberty.

There is nothing anyone can do that prevents suicide. What these laws do is prepare the legal ground for killing people against their will. Now that the right to die is established, steps can be taken to transform that right into an obligation. If an individual is unable to assume the obligation on their own, caring and loving people will be happy to make that decision for you.

So you don't think you do have a 'right to die'?

Should we be taking your gun away from you if you are terminally ill to prevent you from committing suicide?

What happens if someone just doesn't want to die? They can pick up that gun at any time. They don't. They can ask doctors to prescribe lethal doses of medication. They don't.

Loving and caring relatives tell doctors that grandma is in terrible pain. She's just not in her right mind. Any reasonable person in her position would want to die. Grandma is unreasonable. Meanwhile the old fart is wasting her money on medical care and pain medication. Can't this be fixed and give grandma what she should want?

 

[Syriusly]

This is an absolute goldmine for heirs tired of waiting for Uncle Ralph to die. Sick people won't be wasting assets on medical care any more.

Why do conservatives want people to suffer painful, agonizing deaths? I thought you were all about small government and individual liberty.

There is nothing anyone can do that prevents suicide. What these laws do is prepare the legal ground for killing people against their will. Now that the right to die is established, steps can be taken to transform that right into an obligation. If an individual is unable to assume the obligation on their own, caring and loving people will be happy to make that decision for you.

So you don't think you do have a 'right to die'?

Should we be taking your gun away from you if you are terminally ill to prevent you from committing suicide?

What happens if someone just doesn't want to die? They can pick up that gun at any time. They don't. They can ask doctors to prescribe lethal doses of medication. They don't.

Loving and caring relatives tell doctors that grandma is in terrible pain. She's just not in her right mind. Any reasonable person in her position would want to die. Grandma is unreasonable. Meanwhile the old fart is wasting her money on medical care and pain medication. Can't this be fixed and give grandma what she should want?

Still waiting for you to answer the question:

Should we be taking your gun away from you if you are terminally ill to prevent you from committing suicide?

 

[Katzndogz]

This is an absolute goldmine for heirs tired of waiting for Uncle Ralph to die. Sick people won't be wasting assets on medical care any more.

Why do conservatives want people to suffer painful, agonizing deaths? I thought you were all about small government and individual liberty.

There is nothing anyone can do that prevents suicide. What these laws do is prepare the legal ground for killing people against their will. Now that the right to die is established, steps can be taken to transform that right into an obligation. If an individual is unable to assume the obligation on their own, caring and loving people will be happy to make that decision for you.

So you don't think you do have a 'right to die'?

Should we be taking your gun away from you if you are terminally ill to prevent you from committing suicide?

What happens if someone just doesn't want to die? They can pick up that gun at any time. They don't. They can ask doctors to prescribe lethal doses of medication. They don't.

Loving and caring relatives tell doctors that grandma is in terrible pain. She's just not in her right mind. Any reasonable person in her position would want to die. Grandma is unreasonable. Meanwhile the old fart is wasting her money on medical care and pain medication. Can't this be fixed and give grandma what she should want?

Still waiting for you to answer the question:

Should we be taking your gun away from you if you are terminally ill to prevent you from committing suicide?

I thought you were more intelligent than you actually are. No one should be prevented from committing suicide. If some guy's girlfriend dumped him, he can blow his brains out. If a dreamy girl wants to stick her head in the oven because Pandora isn't a real place and she will never be blue, that is her right.

Should someone else be given a gun to shoot you with because you are sick, in pain and refuse to die on your own?

 

[Compost]

Sure. We all die. I just can't help but wonder about those people who offed themselves when they could still be alive. Is being in pain alive really not better than being dead? Even if you are in paralysation, how do we know that isn't a beautiful place to be? Why the rush out of it?

"Is being in pain alive really not better than being dead?"

I wouldn't think so, if you hear people discussing having to endure excruciating pain almost 24/7, most say they want to die, because they're not living, they're existing and existing under unbearable conditions.

To that sort of person, death is a release from that.

Some of the worst pain can be tooth pain. I remember reading about a man in America and he didn't have adequate insurance and he couldn't afford the dentist....so he went to San Francisco and chose a one-way ticket jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge.

Often when a persons in so much unending pain, death is the relief and embrace they wish.

"Even if you are in paralysation, how do we know that isn't a beautiful place to be?"

We have different ideas about what a beautiful place is. I certainly wouldn't refer to being in paralysation my idea of being in a beautiful place. Were I ever to be in such a terrible situation, then Mr. Lucy would know what I'd want him to do....get my Glock and at point blank range shoot me directly in the heart.

The point blank shot directly in the heart, much preferable to a head shot, the latter the bullet might get lodged in the brain, you mightn't die.

I can't help but remember my cousin. Bad luck. Liver cancer. Early thirties. Two little children. She was in and out of a coma (paralysation, right?) for months. She was terminal. When she was awake she was, of course, in pain. Those times when she was nonparlysational were no doubt awful but some of that time was spent visiting with others. I just can't help but think that if she'd have killed herself, not only she, but many other people would have missed out on something important.

Yeah. Pain sucks. Dying sucks. Maybe, just maybe, not playing your life out to natural death sucks too.

Should your cousin have had the option to make that decision?

Or should she have been prevented from making that decision?

Try reading what I said, instead of knee jerking about how I'm denying you something.

Try responding to my question rather than dancing to avoid it.

Should your cousin have had the option to make that decision?

Or should she have been prevented from making that decision?

Wow. You read a lot into what I said. At no time did I say she should be prevented from making the decision to kill herself. I said that she suffered, and in that suffering something important probably happened. (I'm avoiding mentioning God because that'll likely bring on even more assumptions and knee jerking.)

Her death sucked. Her loved ones hated it. Surely, she hated it. All I'm saying is maybe, just maybe, dying the hard way is the way to go. Making it legal to kill somebody- just might deny people from fully living out their lives. So. If she had decided to off herself, there would have been less pain. There also may have been less chance to spend that extra time to say good bye. It seems to me that it was terrible enough to have to die so young but to cut it off even sooner would deny not just her, but her loved ones a special time.

So yeah. I am in favor of naturally finishing out of one's life. By the way, look up Jack Kevorkian. Some of the people he "helped" die were just sad. Is CA wrong with this law? I can't say. I do say there are dangers of making offing people in pain easier.

I trust you see that I am not "dancing".

 

[Katzndogz]

In the Netherlands children are being killed. Pity the poor girl who says "I'd rather die than be seen in that dress." Such unbearable suffering would shortly be alleviated permanently.

Netherlands Push to Euthanize Children

Now under the Groningen Protocol babies are killed if their existence would cause parents unbearable suffering.

 

[westwall]

Good. People have the right to die when they want. And in certain cases, how they want.

I agree, I strongly support Euthanasia.

A person has a human right to self-determination, to make their own choices regarding their own existence. If someone's in chronic pain and they just are tormented every waking moment, and not even Morphine is relieving the pain, then they have a human right to ask a medical professional to help them end their suffering and that medical professional is providing them with mercy and compassion.

Much better way than blowing their brains out or jumping in front of a truck or something.

Yes because not all people die, and if a suicide fails they could end up in a worse position than they already were in. If the suicide failure has resulted in either complete paralysation or semi-complete paralysation, then they're going to be wanting to die even more and of course won't then have the ability to have another suicide attempt.

Sure. We all die. I just can't help but wonder about those people who offed themselves when they could still be alive. Is being in pain alive really not better than being dead? Even if you are in paralysation, how do we know that isn't a beautiful place to be? Why the rush out of it?

Just imagine the worst pain you have ever experienced and then multiply that by 100. You have a choice, excruciating pain or narcotics (if you can get them) that are so powerful that while you still experience the pain, you are apart from it so it isn't quite as bad. The unfortunate side effect however is you are incapable of doing anything other than sit in a chair or lay in a bed. I don't consider that living.

Or, you can be a heartless prick and demand that they live in excruciating pain because some how you feel you are entitled to your opinion taking precedence over actual pain and suffering. In other words, you're an asshole.

 

[Harry Dresden]

It's not the right to suicide. It's the "right" to hire a quack doctor to kill some old fart who won't die on his own.

thats not what the bill says....you need at least 2 quack doctors....

 

[Katzndogz]

2 quack doctors and at least one greedy relative.

 

[Zander]

California got one right.

 

[Katzndogz]

Now the state can start on the next step. Overcoming those who don't want to die.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

Who in the fuck made this illegal anyways?

Amen to this...because a dead person can not be busted for it in any way.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Suicide will never be something that I will encourage though.

 

[Syriusly]

Why do conservatives want people to suffer painful, agonizing deaths? I thought you were all about small government and individual liberty.

There is nothing anyone can do that prevents suicide. What these laws do is prepare the legal ground for killing people against their will. Now that the right to die is established, steps can be taken to transform that right into an obligation. If an individual is unable to assume the obligation on their own, caring and loving people will be happy to make that decision for you.

So you don't think you do have a 'right to die'?

Should we be taking your gun away from you if you are terminally ill to prevent you from committing suicide?

What happens if someone just doesn't want to die? They can pick up that gun at any time. They don't. They can ask doctors to prescribe lethal doses of medication. They don't.

Loving and caring relatives tell doctors that grandma is in terrible pain. She's just not in her right mind. Any reasonable person in her position would want to die. Grandma is unreasonable. Meanwhile the old fart is wasting her money on medical care and pain medication. Can't this be fixed and give grandma what she should want?

Still waiting for you to answer the question:

Should we be taking your gun away from you if you are terminally ill to prevent you from committing suicide?

I thought you were more intelligent than you actually are. No one should be prevented from committing suicide. If some guy's girlfriend dumped him, he can blow his brains out. If a dreamy girl wants to stick her head in the oven because Pandora isn't a real place and she will never be blue, that is her right.

Should someone else be given a gun to shoot you with because you are sick, in pain and refuse to die on your own?

Denying someone the drugs to end their own life is the same as denying them the gun to own their own life.

You claim to be for your right to shoot yourself- but you are against your own right to end your life with a legal dosage of medicine.