Caitlyn Jenner is an amazing political enigma

Caitlyn Jenner isn't a woman.

He's a man who has undergone voluntary genital mutilation, and acquired a drug habit (hormones).

He is no more a "woman", than a Ford is a Toyota when you remove the Ford badge, put on a Toyota emblem, and put Toyota fluid in the transmission (which might damage it).
This post shows you have no understanding of gender identity. You think it's all about genitals or sex
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Look in your mind for your intolerance of difference. Good luck.
 
Consider this. If a man or woman's genitals are deformed or not working, is the man no longer a man and the woman no longer a woman?
Consider this: If a man and wife in the Tennessee hills get a divorce are they still cousins?
 
Caitlyn Jenner isn't a woman.

He's a man who has undergone voluntary genital mutilation, and acquired a drug habit (hormones).

He is no more a "woman", than a Ford is a Toyota when you remove the Ford badge, put on a Toyota emblem, and put Toyota fluid in the transmission (which might damage it).
He has never undergone genital mutilation, voluntary or not. Mr. Jenner is an intact male.
 
Consider this. If a man or woman's genitals are deformed or not working, is the man no longer a man and the woman no longer a woman?
What do chromosomes and DNA say?

What do you call a man that dresses like a woman, has fully functioning Penis and testicles, says he likes the ladies and has sex with women, yet wants to be called female?

The correct answer is mentally ill.
 
Consider this. If a man or woman's genitals are deformed or not working, is the man no longer a man and the woman no longer a woman?
Consider this: If a man and wife in the Tennessee hills get a divorce are they still cousins?
Is a woman still a woman when her uterus or breasts are removed? What is it you think gender is? Body parts?
 
Consider this. If a man or woman's genitals are deformed or not working, is the man no longer a man and the woman no longer a woman?
What do chromosomes and DNA say?

What do you call a man that dresses like a woman, has fully functioning Penis and testicles, says he likes the ladies and has sex with women, yet wants to be called female?

The correct answer is mentally ill.
Why ask questions? You think you know all the answers.
 
Consider this. If a man or woman's genitals are deformed or not working, is the man no longer a man and the woman no longer a woman?
Consider this: If a man and wife in the Tennessee hills get a divorce are they still cousins?
Is a woman still a woman when her uterus or breasts are removed? What is it you think gender is? Body parts?
This is a serious question. Plenty of women suffer when their breasts and uterus are removed? Is a woman no longer a woman when she doesn't give birth? How about nuns? Are they women? They don't have sex or make babies. Are they no longer female gender?
 
Gender identity is different than sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is about who we're attracted to. Gender identity is about our own personal sense of being male or female.
 
"Coming out" to other people as lesbian, gay, or bisexual is typically seen as revealing a truth that allows others to know your authentic self. The LGB community places great importance and value on the idea of being "out" in order to be happy and whole. When a transgender person has transitioned and is living as their authentic gender - that is their truth. The world now sees them as their true selves.
 
I think the question is whether you want to be a friend or ally to a transgender individual or you don't.
 
Gender identity is different than sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is about who we're attracted to. Gender identity is about our own personal sense of being male or female.
No matter how you slice and dice them (pun intended) They are still just mentally ill perverts. ..... :cuckoo:
They are human beings.
 
"Coming out" to other people as lesbian, gay, or bisexual is typically seen as revealing a truth that allows others to know your authentic self. The LGB community places great importance and value on the idea of being "out" in order to be happy and whole. When a transgender person has transitioned and is living as their authentic gender - that is their truth. The world now sees them as their true selves.
In that case I feel I am a wombat.
 
In Native Hawaiian culture, for instance, the idea of someone who embodies both the male and female spirit is a familiar and even revered concept. Gender identity is considered fluid and amorphous, allowing room for māhū, who would fall under the transgender umbrella in Western society.

“Māhū is the expression of the third self," Kaumakaiwa Kanaka‘ole, a Native Hawaiian activist and performer told Mana magazine. "It is not a gender, it’s not an orientation, it’s not a sect, it’s not a particular demographic and it’s definitely not a race. It is simply an expression of the third person as it involves the individual. When you find that place in yourself to acknowledge both male and female aspects within and accept the capacity to embrace both … that is where the māhū exists and true liberation happens.”
The Beautiful Way Hawaiian Culture Embraces A Particular Kind Of Transgender Identity
 

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