Can Any Rightwinger Give Me A Solid Argument Why Private Industry Instead Of Government Should Run..

[asterism]

Well, when something as adverse as the changing of the banking system and how CEO's get compensated from their corporate meetings and what the workers get and there it no change from this long and the earnings of workers is stagnate. Something has to be addressed. If you don't see the need then forget it, I do. CEO's , before ronnie boy, were never compensated with stock options.
Now they are and it has changed the entire make up of the corporate world.
Look it up and try to look at it in and objective way, if that is to much to ask. I say again. Forget about it.

FALSE

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/econ/sempapers/Frydman1.pdf

 

[dblack]

Mostly, we just need government running every aspect of our lives.

 

[Listening]

Mostly, we just need government running every aspect of our lives.

Worked for Russia .

 

[ShackledNation]

Healthcare should be bought and sold on the free market for the same reason food should be bought and sold on the free market. The quality will be better, people will have more choices, and innovation will be encouraged. Now does the OP make the wrong assumption that the U.S. healthcare system was a free market system even before Obamacare? Too many people think a corporation running something = free markets. That is far from the case.

 

[dblack]

Health care should be bought and sold in the free market because violence is bad.

 

[Billy000]

I love how you cons rely on anecdotal cases as evidence of anything.

 

[Darkwind]

The painfully obvious problem you people have is that you buy into this teabagger propaganda that government is inherently flawed therefore it is doomed to fail if taking over the healthcare system. That's just stupid. No system is perfect. Yes Canadian's system has flaws but so does any other system. Ours sucks a big one for the simple reason of its affordability. I know you cons have a deficit with empathy but for those of you who ever wind up with cancer or other costly life threatening diseases you will see how shitty it is.

It is abundantly clear that you are a deeply flawed human being. No form of government can be trusted and must be watched and if necessary, pulled back from abuse. The fact that you are actually in a headlong rush to return to the kind of servitude we escaped 236 years ago should frighten you, but you buy into the progressive propaganda that government can take care of you.

 

[Anathema]

Very simple..... The Government doesn't have a legal mandate for any involvement in Healthcare issues....

Thread Over.

 

[Rotagilla]

The painfully obvious problem you people have is that you buy into this teabagger propaganda that government is inherently flawed therefore it is doomed to fail if taking over the healthcare system. That's just stupid. No system is perfect. Yes Canadian's system has flaws but so does any other system. Ours sucks a big one for the simple reason of its affordability. I know you cons have a deficit with empathy but for those of you who ever wind up with cancer or other costly life threatening diseases you will see how shitty it is.

It is abundantly clear that you are a deeply flawed human being. No form of government can be trusted and must be watched and if necessary, pulled back from abuse. The fact that you are actually in a headlong rush to return to the kind of servitude we escaped 236 years ago should frighten you, but you buy into the progressive propaganda that government can take care of you.

I seriously think you've been debating an adolescent. He reasons and talks like a child...
I doubt he has a mortgage or insurance or even a car..He might be old enough to have his drivers license..

 

[Darkwind]

The painfully obvious problem you people have is that you buy into this teabagger propaganda that government is inherently flawed therefore it is doomed to fail if taking over the healthcare system. That's just stupid. No system is perfect. Yes Canadian's system has flaws but so does any other system. Ours sucks a big one for the simple reason of its affordability. I know you cons have a deficit with empathy but for those of you who ever wind up with cancer or other costly life threatening diseases you will see how shitty it is.

It is abundantly clear that you are a deeply flawed human being. No form of government can be trusted and must be watched and if necessary, pulled back from abuse. The fact that you are actually in a headlong rush to return to the kind of servitude we escaped 236 years ago should frighten you, but you buy into the progressive propaganda that government can take care of you.

I seriously think you've been debating an adolescent. He reasons and talks like a child...
I doubt he has a mortgage or insurance or even a car..He might be old enough to have his drivers license..

He has the emotional development of an adolescent to be sure.

 

[Papageorgio]

Here's a few reasons

The government spent over $1 Billion to develop the only website on the planet that can't tell you when someone bought your product

The government runs public housing, the Post Office and the DMV

Okay so your basic, simple minded point is that sometimes gov fails. Well I can give you countless examples of private industry failing. Does that mean we should abolish capitalism? No of course not.

Give me an example of private industry failing. You said "countless"....give me one.

See, Billy is stupid. And stupid people think that two things that sound or seem similar are actually identical.
So he could point to, e.g. Wang Computers as a "private industry that failed." Or Eastern Airlines. But private industry is not identical to private company (i.e. not government owned). But to brainless turds like Billy it's all pretty much the same thing.

Exactly.

I can not think of a single industry that failed in the US. Sure, some are fading out due to changes in technology and EPA regulations......but I can not think of one that failed.

Here's the problem with threads like this written by you left wing nut jobs. You have already decided that there isn't any way any right winger could ever answer your challenge. No matter what anyone said you would deny it. It isn't as if you really want to know and that you will take the right wingers answer seriously. You simply want to deny all comers and then claim that you posed a question that no right winger could answer.

You are too transparent there loser. I just laugh at you.

Lol translation: you have no argument to put forth.

This whole thread is filled with arguments to your premise......you just ignire them and say they are not viable...without backing it up.

im sorry. What argument am I ignoring exactly?

1) When government tries to do what private industry can do, it winds up with higher costs and less efficiency. This is fact. Look into the time the federal government deemed it more cost efficient to manufacture iron on its own for tanks and other military vehicles....it wound up costing twice as much to produce it than it did to buy it from private industry

2) The Canadian poll is a farce. How can Canadians compare theirs to ours if they don't use ours? You were duped by a left wing poll

3) The DMV is a disaster. No efficiency; no customer service. The USPS runs in the red...year after year. Fed Ex ande UPS walk all over USPS overnight delivery

4) It cost the US government 600 million dollars to design and implement a web site that caters to 300 million people in one country. How much did AMazon spend to cater to billions over 7 continents?

Shall I continue?

1) you're making a generalized statement about gov itself. To suggest gov is inherently flawed is a fallacy. High cost huh? You actually think our healthcare system is cheap? You're shitting me right?

2) You don't even know the poll. Tell me how could a poll taken of Canadians have an American liberal bias?

3) more fallacy. You're comparing apples to carrots. Non sense.

4) same point as above. Anecdotal irrelevant comparisons do jack shit for your argument.

That's how you debate? You simply say I am wrong without backing it up?
How fucking juvenile.

You are not longer worth my time.

Another one bites the dust...

Dishonest, disingenious and a troll.

He reminds me of the Black Knight in Python's Holy Grail movie.

 

[rawmilkmike]

Left against Right LOL. It's the 1% against the working class. That's the way it's always been. It's foolish to think otherwise. And the 1% are international. They know no border. They know no loyalty.

 

[Dana7360]

...our healthcare system?

Already there is a big money in healthcare. If corporations run our healthcare system, they can charge whatever they want. Seriously what good is having state of the art healthcare if poor people can't afford the most basic of cancer treatment?

Why would it not be better to create a system that insures proper treatment for everyone? Sure it wouldn't be perfect, but if you take away profit as an incentive you are less likely to have corruption. Let's stop wasting billions a year on useless defense expenses and focus that money on socialized medicine.

Here's a fun fact: polls show 92% of Canadians prefer the Canadian healthcare system over the US system.

My state borders Canada. We don't have Canadians coming down here for health care.

In fact all the Canadians I know who live down here, they're married to Americans, keep their citizenship just for that health care. They get duel citizenship for their kids just for that health care.

I've talked to countless Canadians, they would NEVER change to our health care system and don't understand why we tolerate the system we have.

 

[Dana7360]

...our healthcare system?

Already there is a big money in healthcare. If corporations run our healthcare system, they can charge whatever they want. Seriously what good is having state of the art healthcare if poor people can't afford the most basic of cancer treatment?

Why would it not be better to create a system that insures proper treatment for everyone? Sure it wouldn't be perfect, but if you take away profit as an incentive you are less likely to have corruption. Let's stop wasting billions a year on useless defense expenses and focus that money on socialized medicine.

Here's a fun fact: polls show 92% of Canadians prefer the Canadian healthcare system over the US system.

On what basis? I mean one would assume that Canadians would have no experience with our healthcare system than i have with theirs, which is to say none.

Canadians who marry Americans and move down here have experience with both systems.

All those that I know who are Canadian kept their citizenship just for that health care.

 

[Billy000]

The painfully obvious problem you people have is that you buy into this teabagger propaganda that government is inherently flawed therefore it is doomed to fail if taking over the healthcare system. That's just stupid. No system is perfect. Yes Canadian's system has flaws but so does any other system. Ours sucks a big one for the simple reason of its affordability. I know you cons have a deficit with empathy but for those of you who ever wind up with cancer or other costly life threatening diseases you will see how shitty it is.

It is abundantly clear that you are a deeply flawed human being. No form of government can be trusted and must be watched and if necessary, pulled back from abuse. The fact that you are actually in a headlong rush to return to the kind of servitude we escaped 236 years ago should frighten you, but you buy into the progressive propaganda that government can take care of you.

I seriously think you've been debating an adolescent. He reasons and talks like a child...
I doubt he has a mortgage or insurance or even a car..He might be old enough to have his drivers license..

Lol it's so much easier to dismiss those who disagree with you by demonizing them isn't it?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Left against Right LOL. It's the 1% against the working class. That's the way it's always been. It's foolish to think otherwise. And the 1% are international. They know no border. They know no loyalty.

Dah! dah! The workers must control the means of production, you fucking moron!

 

[rawmilkmike]

Left against Right LOL. It's the 1% against the working class. That's the way it's always been. It's foolish to think otherwise. And the 1% are international. They know no border. They know no loyalty.

Dah! dah! The workers must control the means of production, you fucking moron!

Are you suggesting the tail can wag the dog?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Left against Right LOL. It's the 1% against the working class. That's the way it's always been. It's foolish to think otherwise. And the 1% are international. They know no border. They know no loyalty.

Dah! dah! The workers must control the means of production, you fucking moron!

Are you suggesting the tail can wag the dog?

Apple is evil for making you buy their products!

Get out in the real world for a few years then we can talk

 

[Dana7360]

Here's a few reasons

The government spent over $1 Billion to develop the only website on the planet that can't tell you when someone bought your product

The government runs public housing, the Post Office and the DMV

Okay so your basic, simple minded point is that sometimes gov fails. Well I can give you countless examples of private industry failing. Does that mean we should abolish capitalism? No of course not.

Give me an example of private industry failing. You said "countless"....give me one.

You're joking right? You want me to give you examples of a business going under?

I guess that person doesn't remember having to bail out businesses after 9-11 and the recession that followed with countless factories closing and businesses failing.

I guess that person doesn't remember the bush boy crashing the economy in 2008. We bailed out the car industry, wall street and the banks. I saw whole shopping malls boarded up and abandoned. I saw whole housing developments abandoned. I went to Las Vegas in January and February 2009 and the strip was empty. I could drive down the strip and not be stopped except for lights. There was no traffic. Casinos were advertising free accommodations just to get people in their establishments.

I guess that person doesn't remember the first bush's presidency. I saw whole shopping malls boarded up and abandoned. It devastated the east.

I guess that person doesn't remember the reagan years. After his tax cuts there were no jobs. After he got rid of a lot of tariffs manufacturing went to Japan and millions of Americans lost their jobs. Countless businesses failed. In 1987 the stock market crashed and countless businesses failed. Then there's the S&L mess that caused more businesses to fail. The steel industry was nearly destroyed in the reagan years. Not much is left of it today.

It's amazing what conservatives can remember when they have a selective memory

 

[rawmilkmike]

...our healthcare system?

Already there is a big money in healthcare. If corporations run our healthcare system, they can charge whatever they want. Seriously what good is having state of the art healthcare if poor people can't afford the most basic of cancer treatment?

Why would it not be better to create a system that insures proper treatment for everyone? Sure it wouldn't be perfect, but if you take away profit as an incentive you are less likely to have corruption. Let's stop wasting billions a year on useless defense expenses and focus that money on socialized medicine.

Here's a fun fact: polls show 92% of Canadians prefer the Canadian healthcare system over the US system.

On what basis? I mean one would assume that Canadians would have no experience with our healthcare system than i have with theirs, which is to say none.

Canadians who marry Americans and move down here have experience with both systems.

All those that I know who are Canadian kept their citizenship just for that health care.

Healthcare has been a criminal enterprise for a long time.