Can socialists in this country explain how taxing American corporations/companies more is good?

[Conservative65]

The top 50% of income earners paid 97% of the income taxes collected in 2013. Federal revenue, of which 57% is from income taxes, was $2.7 trillion dollars. That means $1.54 trillion of that total was from income taxes. The 50% of the income earners that paid the 97% of that accounted for $1.50 trillion of that. If those people are paying that much in income taxes, it's why they have that much wealth. They can accumulate it because they have the income to do it.

Since WE're footing that bill, there is no problem with benefiting from the earnings in order to accumulate the wealth.

What about all the other taxes, brainwashed functional moron? Fed income taxes are about the same as payroll taxes now. We basically have a flat tax system now, with all the new wealth staying with the 1% and the middle class and the country going to hell, Great job, New BS GOP and its silly dupes.

Wealth and income aren't the same you dumbass piece of shit.

You mean sales taxes? Those are paid due to a choice. Property taxes? Those are paid due to a choice. Excise taxes? Same thing. Fuel taxes? Same thing.

For the half that don't pay income taxes, their percentage is ZERO.

No matter how many time you post it, the 0-20 groups still does't pay between the 20 and 30 you said EVERYONE paid. 5 + 12.3 = 17.3 and that isn't between 20 and 30.

But it is close, and that's the point. We almost have a flat tax system already, and it's unfair when only the richest are doing well, dupe. Much of the middle class pays more %wise than the richest. A DISGRACE.
But if they have a car they're damn close...

It's not between 20 and 30 for everyone and that's what YOU said.

We do not have a flat tax system. When the lowest group is 5 and the highest is 21.1 for federal, that's not flat. States are irrelevant when it comes to this.

 

[Conservative65]

I spoke with one of those that supports raising the SS ceiling to include income over the current cap of $118,500. The problem is they said they thought the income cap should be higher yet the distribution ratios shouldn't change. In other words, the person supported a greater redistribution of wealth.

The low income and entitlement minded people of the country don't want SS to have an opt out choice. They know good and well which group keeps the system going and it's the one they constantly claim don't pay their fair share.

Every year SS sends out a pamphlet stating what you (and your employer) put in and what you would get out of you retire by the age of X.

If you took those contributions and the years you put that money in, take that to a reputable investment company, and ask what you would be worth by the age of X if you only invested that money yourself, you would probably faint.

I'm all for having the option of putting all that money in your own IRA if desired. Liberals would hate it because it would weaken government dependency. One of the biggest problems I have with SS is that if I die before I collect, my family doesn't see one penny of that money. It's gone.

I can get a good idea what those numbers would be had I been able to put that money where I chose to put it. There's also another thing associated with that. If someone dies in close proximity to beginning distributions, let's say age 68, all that they've put in to SS is lost. With doing it privately, it can go to person(s) of their choosing not who the government chooses.

I've proposed having the ability to opt out only to have Liberals adamantly disagree. They say people won't invest like they should and then we'll all have to support them when they're older. To that I say, if they choose not to, tough shit. Liberals know who keeps the system going and it isn't those getting the better proportional distribution compared to contribution.

 

[Conservative65]

They already pay a fair share. That you don't like it, tough shit.

If a parent isn't willing to invest in their own kid's college, that kid damn sure isn't good enough for me to invest in.

I wish we had real journalism instead of the media bending over, grabbing their ankles, and taking one for the Democrats.

I've told you you'r full of shit. You'd think you get it by now.

So the richest paying LESS %wise in all taxes than the middle class is their fair share? IDIOT.

What about all the other taxes, brainwashed functional moron? Fed income taxes are about the same as payroll taxes now. We basically have a flat tax system now, with all the new wealth staying with the 1% and the middle class and the country going to hell, Great job, New BS GOP and its silly dupes.

Payroll taxes are not the same as income taxes.

Most people get their payroll taxes back, because most of your taxes are Social Security and Medicare. If you live to the average age (78 years old) you will not only get back everything you put in, you will likely get more back than you put in.

When you figure that you will get back nearly everything you put in with payroll taxes, the rich pay much more of their percentage of wealth than do any working person.

I ran some numbers on the SS benefits website. To compare apples/apples, I used the same birth date, the same retirement date, changing only the income amount. I used $25,000 and $100,000. You'd think since Person B put in 4x the amount as Person A that Person B would get 4x the distribution. Not so. Person A got a far better return than Person B. Person A got slightly over $1100/month while Person B got slightly over $2500/month, not 4x. That means if both live until age 78, Person A (lower income) will have received far more as a percentage compared to what he/she put in than Person B. To Liberals, that's equal.

The fact remains that almost all the new wealth stays with the rich, the rich are doing GREAT, and the nonrich and the country are getting killed by our present policy.

And?

And you're an idiot lol....

I'm not the one on here whining that someone else did better than me so they must be forced to give some of it to me.

 

[Conservative65]

Wonder why the rich get richer and the poor have babies?

Because we have too many people in this country like you that think whenever someone CHOOSES to have a baby they can't afford the rest of us should be forced to support it. Stop that shit and they'll stop having the little bastards.

 

[Conservative65]

Wealth and income aren't the same you dumbass piece of shit.

You mean sales taxes? Those are paid due to a choice. Property taxes? Those are paid due to a choice. Excise taxes? Same thing. Fuel taxes? Same thing.

For the half that don't pay income taxes, their percentage is ZERO.

No matter how many time you post it, the 0-20 groups still does't pay between the 20 and 30 you said EVERYONE paid. 5 + 12.3 = 17.3 and that isn't between 20 and 30.

But it is close, and that's the point. We almost have a flat tax system already, and it's unfair when only the richest are doing well, dupe. Much of the middle class pays more %wise than the richest. A DISGRACE.
But if they have a car they're damn close...

Unfair? You're using the word UNFAIR? Surely, you jest. Explain how the progressive tax system is "fair". Explain how half the people contributing NOTHING is fair.

Only if you're a brainwashed dupe...

5 on the low end and 21.1 on the top isn't flat, moron.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

seems like everything you say is wrong I clearly said Part D NOT B is unfunded ... 500 billion dollars that weren't funded by a tax ... then you go on and on about parts that are funded ... when will you pull your head out of your ass... then theres no child left behind another trillion dollar debt created by republicans, then corrected by Obama...

theres more... but you're to stupid to realize what the hells going on ... in obama care part of the bill they passed that the republicans tried to repeal, hell they even took it to the supreme court saying it was unconstitutional and they failed there too ... the bill was to pay for subsidies and medicaid ... it was a tax on medical equipment a 2 .2% tax ... so far according too the government the people on medicaid aren't costing the taxpayer a dime ... but you sure love to complain about people in government thats cost you next to nothing ... you could care less on these corporations who are costing you and I trillions of dollars of tax dollars ... what does these republicans do ??? they give you this "they're getting free be's" but failing to tell you at what the cost ... like all republicans they are to lazy to look up anything


welfare is one program ... section 8 in some states is one program ... food stamps is one program ... as I stated all these programs are grafted on the federal budget site ... where you will see .008 for welfare ... 2. for food stamps ... you sit and whine about something that really doesn't cost the american taxpayer anything ... all the moneys coming from these programs creat income for the country and the tax payer... it amazes me how ignorant you are about something that you feel are getting free be's

I'm very sorry about your comprehension problem. But I'm not going to go back, look up each Bush program you post, and prove you wrong repeatedly. Maybe you should stay away from liberal BS sites before you post.

That is correct, Republicans want to repeal Commie Care. The federal government has no place to force it's citizens to buy something they may not want, need, or can afford. So yes, if Trump gets in, it will get repealed if it doesn't fall apart by the time he gets in. Aetna (like several providers) recently pulled out of the market in most states it was in. Nobody can stay in business taking a loss, but liberals can't seem to comprehend that.

Corporations don't cost taxpayers trillions. Idiotic plans like Commie Care cost taxpayers trillions. All money doesn't belong to government, so if they take less from companies, that doesn't mean it costs the taxpayers anything.

Then you wonder why we refer to you people as the Uninformed Voters in this country.

 

[Conservative65]

No matter how many time you post it, the 0-20 groups still does't pay between the 20 and 30 you said EVERYONE paid. 5 + 12.3 = 17.3 and that isn't between 20 and 30.

But it is close, and that's the point. We almost have a flat tax system already, and it's unfair when only the richest are doing well, dupe. Much of the middle class pays more %wise than the richest. A DISGRACE.
But if they have a car they're damn close...

Unfair? You're using the word UNFAIR? Surely, you jest. Explain how the progressive tax system is "fair". Explain how half the people contributing NOTHING is fair.

Only if you're a brainwashed dupe...

Figures don't lie ... but liars figure.

That's barely progressive. The corp figures are actually upside down. Great job!

So you're comparing individuals to corporations? Apples to oranges, dupe.

 

[Conservative65]

Ray Ray, would you look at the disparity of income distribution since 1980? Those republican policies sure worked well for the working man.

That's the problem, liberals want to distribute wealth. Liberals love giving away stuff that isn't theirs.

No, the earth and its resources belong to us ALL. A relatively few have laid claim to most of it mainly through war and exploitation.. They took what didn't belong to THEM and capitalized ON IT. The blood of our sons have paid for their wealth in wars and still you petition on behalf of the top 20%. If you are alive when the rich have it ALL…100% of the wealth… they will be as gods. Is that your vision? You'll never be one of them so you are arguing for your own demise.

No, if I paid for it and earned it, it belongs to me. What I have, I've worked for and didn't get it through war or exploiting anyone.

No one wants to take anything from you. You are probably one of those 80% struggling to get or maintain a piece of the small slice of wealth left to us by the 20%. If you actually worked for what you have I respect you. If you are like Trump, who never worked a day in his life, I don't respect you.

What you call a lack of respect for certain people is jealousy. He could buy and sell a chimp like you and there isn't a damn thing you could do about it. That makes you mad and jealous.

 

[Conservative65]

Ray Ray, would you look at the disparity of income distribution since 1980? Those republican policies sure worked well for the working man.

That's the problem, liberals want to distribute wealth. Liberals love giving away stuff that isn't theirs.

No, the earth and its resources belong to us ALL. A relatively few have laid claim to most of it mainly through war and exploitation.. They took what didn't belong to THEM and capitalized ON IT. The blood of our sons have paid for their wealth in wars and still you petition on behalf of the top 20%. If you are alive when the rich have it ALL…100% of the wealth… they will be as gods. Is that your vision? You'll never be one of them so you are arguing for your own demise.

No, if I paid for it and earned it, it belongs to me. What I have, I've worked for and didn't get it through war or exploiting anyone.

No one wants to take anything from you. You are probably one of those 80% struggling to get or maintain a piece of the small slice of wealth left to us by the 20%. If you actually worked for what you have I respect you. If you are like Trump, who never worked a day in his life, I don't respect you.

you mean Trump didn't sacrificed for his country ??? will wonder cease to exist...

Jealous of Trump? It shows.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Your hypothesis sounds good but for several years now I have heard how the rich have taken even more of that thin slice of middle class wealth under Obama. If wealth is infinite why does the middle class shrink as the wealthy get richer?

It's called quantitive easing. It's where the feds pumped in trillions of dollars to over inflate the stock market. That's why the rich have never been richer than under DumBama.

The rich have taken wealth from the middle-class? How? When? I'm middle-class, and I can't seem to remember getting a bill from corporate America to give them money.

The middle-class is shrinking? Well gee, we have 94 million Americans of working age not working nor looking for a job. Think that has something to do with it? Think those foreigners jumping the border and taking our jobs for next to nothing has something to do with it? How can you not have a shrinking middle-class when over 1/3 of your workers don't work and don't want to?

Naaah, that can't be it. It must be the rich peoples fault.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No one wants to take anything from you. You are probably one of those 80% struggling to get or maintain a piece of the small slice of wealth left to us by the 20%. If you actually worked for what you have I respect you. If you are like Trump, who never worked a day in his life, I don't respect you.

Yeah, Trump never worked a day in his life. He just sat home and millions came rushing through his doorway.

You people on the left need to get away from your television and movies. Movies are a bad source to get your financial information from.

 

[Conservative65]

Unfair? You're using the word UNFAIR? Surely, you jest. Explain how the progressive tax system is "fair". Explain how half the people contributing NOTHING is fair.

Only if you're a brainwashed dupe...

Figures don't lie ... but liars figure.

That's barely progressive. The corp figures are actually upside down. Great job!

Of course, corporate "figures" have nothing to do with it.

Tell me ... how come your hallowed table (misleading as it is) doesn't have a tax consumption column? Which one of your "divisions" - something you seem to be particularly good at - consume the most tax dollars?

If corps don't pay, who does, dupe?

Tax consumption is hard to say...who uses infrastructure the most? Etc etc etc....The point is, who's laughing to the bank? Who's losing? see sig.

Consumption isn't hard to say. EVERY person that receives social welfare does not pay the taxes that fund it. Every person receiving social welfare funded at the State level does not pay the taxes that fund it.

 

[Conservative65]

Your hypothesis sounds good but for several years now I have heard how the rich have taken even more of that thin slice of middle class wealth under Obama. If wealth is infinite why does the middle class shrink as the wealthy get richer?

It's called quantitive easing. It's where the feds pumped in trillions of dollars to over inflate the stock market. That's why the rich have never been richer than under DumBama.

The rich have taken wealth from the middle-class? How? When? I'm middle-class, and I can't seem to remember getting a bill from corporate America to give them money.

The middle-class is shrinking? Well gee, we have 94 million Americans of working age not working nor looking for a job. Think that has something to do with it? Think those foreigners jumping the border and taking our jobs for next to nothing has something to do with it? How can you not have a shrinking middle-class when over 1/3 of your workers don't work and don't want to?

Naaah, that can't be it. It must be the rich peoples fault.

You have people that don't want to work and JQP1 can't understand why they don't accumulate wealth.

 

[Conservative65]

They live like 3rd worlders for years to do it....

You continue to believe successful people can't see what pander to the rich GOP policies do to wreck the American dream, dupe.

Republicans didn't wreck the American dream, liberals did.

They did this by convincing those (especially blacks) that they are helpless, never going to make it in life, and need government to help them along. They will never see financial success unless they are very good at sports or making rap songs. Only those born the right color, with the right last name, in the right neighborhood stand a chance.

Whatever you don't want to go out and work for, government will give you. If you want more from government, have more children that you can't afford. Don't worry about marriage or a strong relationship when having kids, dad can be easily replaced by a welfare check, even though liberal politicians knew all along single-parent homes are directly related to poverty and crime.

When you make up your own stories there is no turning back. Facts don't matter...

Are you saying someone having a third child despite already having two they can't support and living on social welfare doesn't get more if that third child is born?

 

[Conservative65]

No, the earth and its resources belong to us ALL. A relatively few have laid claim to most of it mainly through war and exploitation.. They took what didn't belong to THEM and capitalized ON IT. The blood of our sons have paid for their wealth in wars and still you petition on behalf of the top 20%. If you are alive when the rich have it ALL…100% of the wealth… they will be as gods. Is that your vision? You'll never be one of them so you are arguing for your own demise.

The rich will never have it all because there is no all. Again, the failed concept that the reason some are poor is because others are rich.

That's only true in a Monopoly game because the company that made the game only provides so much money. We make a new millionaire every day in this country, so money is infinite.

Your hypothesis sounds good but for several years now I have heard how the rich have taken even more of that thin slice of middle class wealth under Obama. If wealth is infinite why does the middle class shrink as the wealthy get richer?

You've heard? Who is telling you, those that want the government to have more power and take more from those they think have too much money?

If you listen, I bet you can hear a high school dropout tell you that the only reason he can't support his family is because someone took advantage of him and won't pay him more than what he has to offer is worth. Forget that HE CHOSE to quit school.

 

[Wilbur Right]

You have people that don't want to work and JQP1 can't understand why they don't accumulate wealth.

You stupid fuck. You are one of those that don't/ won't work. Proof? You sit on your fucking fat ass posting nonsense from your mother's basement for hours and hours each and every day.

You call spreading Bullshit and lies"work"? LMAO. What's it pay?
MW?

 

[Conservative65]

You have people that don't want to work and JQP1 can't understand why they don't accumulate wealth.

You stupid fuck. You are one of those that don't/ won't work. Proof? You sit on your fucking fat ass posting nonsense from your mother's basement for hours and hours each and every day.

You call spreading Bullshit and lies"work"? LMAO. What's it pay?
MW?

I've addressed that if you think you know so much about where I live you must know where it is. To claim what you claim means you have to know where it is and I've told you I can guarantee you don't and can prove you haven't been within a thousand yards of it.

Get back to frying hash browns. The customers are waiting.

 

[Wilbur Right]

You have people that don't want to work and JQP1 can't understand why they don't accumulate wealth.

You stupid fuck. You are one of those that don't/ won't work. Proof? You sit on your fucking fat ass posting nonsense from your mother's basement for hours and hours each and every day.

You call spreading Bullshit and lies"work"? LMAO. What's it pay?
MW?

I've addressed that if you think you know so much about where I live you must know where it is. To claim what you claim means you have to know where it is and I've told you I can guarantee you don't and can prove you haven't been within a thousand yards of it.

Get back to frying hash browns. The customers are waiting.

Hey con man. You know what the word "rhetorical" means?
I know it's a big word and you have a pea brain. But still. Use a dictionary and look it up.

Knowing the definition of the word will help you understand that my claiming you live in your mother's basement is claiming you are a worthless dead beat...........living in a basement somewhere.

And I can do that without asking you directly; where do you live?
LMAO

 

[billyerock1991]

That's the problem, liberals want to distribute wealth. Liberals love giving away stuff that isn't theirs.

No, the earth and its resources belong to us ALL. A relatively few have laid claim to most of it mainly through war and exploitation.. They took what didn't belong to THEM and capitalized ON IT. The blood of our sons have paid for their wealth in wars and still you petition on behalf of the top 20%. If you are alive when the rich have it ALL…100% of the wealth… they will be as gods. Is that your vision? You'll never be one of them so you are arguing for your own demise.

No, if I paid for it and earned it, it belongs to me. What I have, I've worked for and didn't get it through war or exploiting anyone.

No one wants to take anything from you. You are probably one of those 80% struggling to get or maintain a piece of the small slice of wealth left to us by the 20%. If you actually worked for what you have I respect you. If you are like Trump, who never worked a day in his life, I don't respect you.

you mean Trump didn't sacrificed for his country ??? will wonder cease to exist...

Jealous of Trump? It shows.

what shows is your stupidity, that's what shows ... trump is a moron

 

[billyerock1991]

You have people that don't want to work and JQP1 can't understand why they don't accumulate wealth.

You stupid fuck. You are one of those that don't/ won't work. Proof? You sit on your fucking fat ass posting nonsense from your mother's basement for hours and hours each and every day.

You call spreading Bullshit and lies"work"? LMAO. What's it pay?
MW?

I've addressed that if you think you know so much about where I live you must know where it is. To claim what you claim means you have to know where it is and I've told you I can guarantee you don't and can prove you haven't been within a thousand yards of it.

Get back to frying hash browns. The customers are waiting.

don't forget what your trainer told how to say ... you know, would you like to super size that