Catholic Salvation Plan

[ninja007]

Roman Catholic Doctrinal evolution:

Introduction of New doctrines not found in The Bible

The key-word that describes the doctrine of Roman Catholics is: CHANGE

Pre-Roman Catholic False teachings
200 AD	Immersion of infants who are dying, but considered sinless. (Tertullian V.12)
250 AD	North Africa region is first to practice infant baptism and reduced the age of baptism from minors to all newborns. This is opposed by other regions.
257 AD	Baptism by sprinkling for adults instead of immersion first used as an exception for those on sick beds, but it caused great dispute.
300 AD	Prayers for the dead
320 AD	Special dress code of the clergy in worship
325 AD	At the general council of Nice, 325, it was proposed indeed, probably by the Western bishop Hosius, to forbid entirely the marriage of priests; but the motion met with strong opposition, and was rejected.
325 AD	The date for Easter was set.
379 AD	Praying to Mary & Saints. (prayers of Ephraim Syrus)
385 AD	In the West, the first prohibition of clerical marriage, which laid claim to universal ecclesiastical authority, proceeded in 385 from the Roman church in the form of a decretal letter of the bishop Siricius to Himerius, bishop of Tarragona in Spain.
389 AD	Mariolatry begins with Gregory Nazianzen, who mentions in a eulogy, how Justina had besought the virgin Mary to protect her virginity.
400 AD	Impossibility of apostasy or once saved always saved, (Augustine XII.9)
416 AD	Infant baptism by immersion commanded of all infants (Council Of Mela, Austin was the principal director)
430 AD	Exhalation of Virgin Mary: "Mother of God" first applied by the Council of Ephesus
502 AD	Special dress code of the Clergy all the time.
500 AD	The "Habit" of Nuns (Black gowns with white tunics)
519 AD	Lent
526 AD	Extreme Unction
593 AD	The Doctrine of Purgatory popularized from the Apocrypha by Gregory the Great
600 AD	First use of Latin in worship (Gregory I)
Beginning of the Orthodox/Roman Catholic church as we know it today in its present organization.
607 AD	First Pope: Boniface III is the first person to take the title of "universal Bishop" by decree of Emperor Phocas.
608 AD	Pope Boniface IV. turns the Pantheon in Rome into a temple of Mary ad martyres: the pagan Olympus into a Christian heaven of gods.
670 AD	Instrumental music: first organ by Pope Vitalian
709 AD	Kissing of Pope Constantine's feet
753 AD	Baptism by sprinkling for those on sick beds officially accepted.
787 AD	Worship of icons and statue approved (2nd council of Nicea)
787 AD	Rome (Latin) and Constantinople (Greek) part ways and begin the drift towards complete split, resulting in two denominations emerging in 1054 AD.
965 AD	Baptism of bells instituted by Pope John XIII
850 AD	Burning of Holy Candles
995 AD	Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV
998 AD	Good Friday: fish only and the eating-red meat forbidden
1009 AD	Holy water
1022 AD	Penance
1054 AD	Roman Catholic church breaks away from the Orthodox church
1054 AD	Roman Catholics officially embrace instrumental music, Orthodox reject instrumental music down to the present time.
1079 AD	Celibacy enforced for priests, bishops, presbyters (Pope Gregory VII)
1090 AD	Rosary beads: invented by Peter the Hermit
1095 AD	Instrumental music
1190 AD	Sale of Indulgences or "tickets to sin" (punishment of sin removed)
1215 AD	Transubstantiation by Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council
1215 AD	Auricular Confession of sins to priests instituted by Pope Innocent III, (Lateran Council)
1215 AD	Mass a Sacrifice of Christ
1217 AD	Adoration and Elevation of Host: ie. communion bread (Pope Honrius III)
1230 AD	Ringing bells at Mass
1251 AD	The Scapular, the brown cloak worn by monks invented by Simon Stock
1268 AD	Priestly power of absolution
1311 AD	Baptism by sprinkling accepted as the universal standard instead of immersion for all, not just the sick. (Council of Ravenna)
1414 AD	Laity no longer offered Lord's cup at communion (Council of Constance)
1439 AD	Purgatory a dogma by the Council of Florence (see 593 AD)
1439 AD	Doctrine of Seven Sacraments affirmed
1480 AD	The Inquisition (of Spain)
1495 AD	Papal control of marriage rights
1534 AD	Order of Jesuits founded by Loyola
1545 AD	Man-made tradition of church made equal to Bible (Council of Trent)
1545 AD	Apocryphal books added to Bible (Council of Trent)
1546 AD	Justification by human works of merit
1546 AD	Mass universally said in Latin (see 600 AD)
1547 AD	Confirmation
1560 AD	Personal opinions of Pope Pius IV imposed as the official creed
1864 AD	Syllabus Errorum [Syllabus of Errors] proclaimed that "Catholic countries" could not tolerate other religions, (no freedom of religion), conscience, separation of church and State condemned, asserted the Pope's temporal authority over all civil rulers (Ratified by Pope Pius IX and Vatican Council) condemned
1870 AD	Infallibility of Pope (Vatican council)
1908 AD	All Catholics should be christened into the church
1930 AD	Public Schools condemned by Pope Pius XII (see 1864 AD)
1950 AD	Sinners prayer, invented by Billy Sunday and made popular by Billy Graham. (Some Catholics now use this)
1950 AD	Assumption of the body of the Virgin Mary into heaven shortly after her death. (Pope Pius XII)
1954 AD	Immaculate conception of Mary proclaimed by Pope Pius XII
1995 AD	The use of girls in the traditional alter boy duties
1996 AD	Catholics can believe in Evolution (Pope John Paul II)

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[C_Clayton_Jones]

the RCC is a false religion. Your works won't save you. The sacraments won't save you. The popes won't save you. Mary won't save you.

All religions are false, including all of Christianity, as there's nothing to be 'saved' from.

Your threads succeed in only exhibiting the ignorance, hate, and arrogance inherent in your faith, demonstrating that religion is indeed the bane of humankind.

 

[ninja007]

Catholic doctrine contradicts the Bible

 

[ninja007]

the RCC is a false religion. Your works won't save you. The sacraments won't save you. The popes won't save you. Mary won't save you.

All religions are false, including all of Christianity, as there's nothing to be 'saved' from.

Your threads succeed in only exhibiting the ignorance, hate, and arrogance inherent in your faith, demonstrating that religion is indeed the bane of humankind.

nope, true Christianity isn't and btw this thread is talking about the RCC.

 

[ninja007]

ntx-communion-transubstantiation

 

[ninja007]

The Apocrypha

 

[ninja007]

Catholic doctrinal Flip-Flops Baptism Changed from immersion to sprinkling in 1311 AD.

 

[turzovka]

Apparently what happened was the apostles and early church fathers never said the mass, never celebrated the Eucharist, or if they did it was not as Jesus made clear in John 6 and elsewhere?

Apparently the early Church was sola fide and all these exhortations of charity to your fellow man and obedience to the teachings of Christ were fluff? All that mattered was believe in Jesus as your Savior and you could go on as you please engaging in any pleasure you wished and ignoring all that is in the Bible about conduct because, after all, you will be clothed in purity when you die and brought into the kingdom immediately.

Apparently, all those who never knew Jesus in foreign lands, but were good caregivers to their own kind are doomed? --- because they are not “born again?”

Apparently this so-called “church” of Rome somehow got it right in determining which books were Holy Spirit inspired and which were not and they gave us the bible in the 4th century? But prior to that this so-called “church” was doing everything else all wrong? Praying to Mary, believing in the Eucharist, praying for the dead, and all that? And after they gave us the Bible then we, “this so-called church,” immediately resorted back to being heretics?

Apparently, God did not care about those faithful to Jesus for the first 1500 years after Christ’s resurrection and let them wander into idolatry and other matters that were reprehensible to Him? It was only when Luther and Calvin showed up that God found it the proper time to give his message for salvation? Apparently? The fact 1,000 divisions amongst those “new creatures dogmas” has occurred since is notwithstanding?

And all those fantastically blessed saints like St. Francis, St. Thomas Acquinas, St. John Vianney, Teresa of Avila, St. Anthony of Padua, St. Benedict, St. Faustina whose diary of her vists from Jesus that bleeds the mercy of Christ upon the world, Padre Pio the stigmatist, St. Catherine of Siena who lived on only the Holy Eucharist the last four years of her life, St. Joan of Arc who received the voices of God daily and at 17 lead the French armies over the English then died as a heretic burned at the stake, all those healings at Lourdes after young Bernadette witnessed the Virgin Mary instructing her to dig for a miraculous healing spring she must have been witness to a malevolent apparition---- because apparently these saints were not blessed at all, but mere Catholic liars used by the evil one to lead us away from God?

So apparently ninja is the wise one and we Catholics have been wandering fools for 2000 years, surely not Christians?

I might consider his bold "theology" if only he could answer a thousand questions, many directly from Scripture, first? He hasn't hitherto.

too many strawmen, the RCC didn't give us the Bible, God did via the Holy Spirit. Praying to the dead, Mary and Purgatory are all false teachings passed down from the RCC. If you would read your Bible in context you would see that they are wrong. The whole purpose of RC'ism is dependence on sinful men (priests) to use sacraments to control the masses and to bring in money.

Listen. I will pray for your soul. I do pity you. But I will tell you this as well if you have the wherewithal within your being to bear it ---- you are playing the fool. And "fool" in the Bible is a scary condition. You have no love inside of you, you are a noisy gong not doing anything to unite the body of Christ. I hate to be so antagonistic myself, but in the present you deserve admonishment and rebuke, not an embrace.

 

[ninja007]

Roman Catholic Doctrinal evolution: Doctrinal flip flops:

"Has the Catholic Church ever changed its teaching? No, for 2000 years the Church has taught the same things which Jesus taught." (Catholic Catechism for Adults, p. 57).

"It is a historical fact the Catholic Church, from the twentieth century back to the first, has not once ceased to teach a doctrine on faith or morals previously held, and with the same interpretation; the church has proved itself infallible." (My Catholic Church, p. 145).

Doctrinal flip flops

"If only one instance could be given in which the Church ceased to teach a doctrine of faith which had been previously held, that single instance would be the death blow of her claim to infallibility." (Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers, p74) "if it be not identical in belief, in government etc., with the primitive Church, then it is not the Church of Christ." (Catholic Facts, 27)"Catholic controversialists soon proved to the Protestants that to be logical and consistent they must admit unwritten tradition." (Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. XV, p. 7)

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Officially, before Vatican 2 in 1965 AD, all non-Catholic churchgoers will go to HELL! Today it is different!

Sign of the cross not practiced by apostles but started in 9th century! Tertullian made the sign on the forehead. Today it is different!

53 Roman Catholic Doctrines not found in the Bible (1400 years of doctrinal evolution)

Marriage to non-Catholics was invalid until 1818 AD.

Eucharist: Withholding the communion cup from the laity began in 1416 AD.

Eucharist: Frequency of communion changed from weekly to daily in 500 AD.

Baptism changed from immersion to sprinkling in 1311 AD.

No infant baptism till 4th century.

No Pope was considered infallible until 1870 AD

 

[ninja007]

Apparently what happened was the apostles and early church fathers never said the mass, never celebrated the Eucharist, or if they did it was not as Jesus made clear in John 6 and elsewhere?

Apparently the early Church was sola fide and all these exhortations of charity to your fellow man and obedience to the teachings of Christ were fluff? All that mattered was believe in Jesus as your Savior and you could go on as you please engaging in any pleasure you wished and ignoring all that is in the Bible about conduct because, after all, you will be clothed in purity when you die and brought into the kingdom immediately.

Apparently, all those who never knew Jesus in foreign lands, but were good caregivers to their own kind are doomed? --- because they are not “born again?”

Apparently this so-called “church” of Rome somehow got it right in determining which books were Holy Spirit inspired and which were not and they gave us the bible in the 4th century? But prior to that this so-called “church” was doing everything else all wrong? Praying to Mary, believing in the Eucharist, praying for the dead, and all that? And after they gave us the Bible then we, “this so-called church,” immediately resorted back to being heretics?

Apparently, God did not care about those faithful to Jesus for the first 1500 years after Christ’s resurrection and let them wander into idolatry and other matters that were reprehensible to Him? It was only when Luther and Calvin showed up that God found it the proper time to give his message for salvation? Apparently? The fact 1,000 divisions amongst those “new creatures dogmas” has occurred since is notwithstanding?

And all those fantastically blessed saints like St. Francis, St. Thomas Acquinas, St. John Vianney, Teresa of Avila, St. Anthony of Padua, St. Benedict, St. Faustina whose diary of her vists from Jesus that bleeds the mercy of Christ upon the world, Padre Pio the stigmatist, St. Catherine of Siena who lived on only the Holy Eucharist the last four years of her life, St. Joan of Arc who received the voices of God daily and at 17 lead the French armies over the English then died as a heretic burned at the stake, all those healings at Lourdes after young Bernadette witnessed the Virgin Mary instructing her to dig for a miraculous healing spring she must have been witness to a malevolent apparition---- because apparently these saints were not blessed at all, but mere Catholic liars used by the evil one to lead us away from God?

So apparently ninja is the wise one and we Catholics have been wandering fools for 2000 years, surely not Christians?

I might consider his bold "theology" if only he could answer a thousand questions, many directly from Scripture, first? He hasn't hitherto.

too many strawmen, the RCC didn't give us the Bible, God did via the Holy Spirit. Praying to the dead, Mary and Purgatory are all false teachings passed down from the RCC. If you would read your Bible in context you would see that they are wrong. The whole purpose of RC'ism is dependence on sinful men (priests) to use sacraments to control the masses and to bring in money.

Listen. I will pray for your soul. I do pity you. But I will tell you this as well if you have the wherewithal within your being to bear it ---- you are playing the fool. And "fool" in the Bible is a scary condition. You have no love inside of you, you are a noisy gong not doing anything to unite the body of Christ. I hate to be so antagonistic myself, but in the present you deserve admonishment and rebuke, not an embrace.

LOL! Read the links! come out of the HARLOT! I will link a former catholic site. Come to Jesus! Jesus said accept Him and be born again. You cannot mix grace and works. The RCC won't save your soul, only Jesus can. REPENT!

 

[ninja007]

Ex-Catholics For Christ - Spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ

 

[ninja007]

Is Catholicism a false religion Are Catholics saved

 

[ninja007]

 

[ninja007]

1 Timothy 2:5 ►
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For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,

 

[ninja007]

Turzovka, I'm saved by the blood, I don't want prayers of an unbeliever.

 

[ninja007]

Apparently what happened was the apostles and early church fathers never said the mass, never celebrated the Eucharist, or if they did it was not as Jesus made clear in John 6 and elsewhere?

Apparently the early Church was sola fide and all these exhortations of charity to your fellow man and obedience to the teachings of Christ were fluff? All that mattered was believe in Jesus as your Savior and you could go on as you please engaging in any pleasure you wished and ignoring all that is in the Bible about conduct because, after all, you will be clothed in purity when you die and brought into the kingdom immediately.

Apparently, all those who never knew Jesus in foreign lands, but were good caregivers to their own kind are doomed? --- because they are not “born again?”

Apparently this so-called “church” of Rome somehow got it right in determining which books were Holy Spirit inspired and which were not and they gave us the bible in the 4th century? But prior to that this so-called “church” was doing everything else all wrong? Praying to Mary, believing in the Eucharist, praying for the dead, and all that? And after they gave us the Bible then we, “this so-called church,” immediately resorted back to being heretics?

Apparently, God did not care about those faithful to Jesus for the first 1500 years after Christ’s resurrection and let them wander into idolatry and other matters that were reprehensible to Him? It was only when Luther and Calvin showed up that God found it the proper time to give his message for salvation? Apparently? The fact 1,000 divisions amongst those “new creatures dogmas” has occurred since is notwithstanding?

And all those fantastically blessed saints like St. Francis, St. Thomas Acquinas, St. John Vianney, Teresa of Avila, St. Anthony of Padua, St. Benedict, St. Faustina whose diary of her vists from Jesus that bleeds the mercy of Christ upon the world, Padre Pio the stigmatist, St. Catherine of Siena who lived on only the Holy Eucharist the last four years of her life, St. Joan of Arc who received the voices of God daily and at 17 lead the French armies over the English then died as a heretic burned at the stake, all those healings at Lourdes after young Bernadette witnessed the Virgin Mary instructing her to dig for a miraculous healing spring she must have been witness to a malevolent apparition---- because apparently these saints were not blessed at all, but mere Catholic liars used by the evil one to lead us away from God?

So apparently ninja is the wise one and we Catholics have been wandering fools for 2000 years, surely not Christians?

I might consider his bold "theology" if only he could answer a thousand questions, many directly from Scripture, first? He hasn't hitherto.

too many strawmen, the RCC didn't give us the Bible, God did via the Holy Spirit. Praying to the dead, Mary and Purgatory are all false teachings passed down from the RCC. If you would read your Bible in context you would see that they are wrong. The whole purpose of RC'ism is dependence on sinful men (priests) to use sacraments to control the masses and to bring in money.

Listen. I will pray for your soul. I do pity you. But I will tell you this as well if you have the wherewithal within your being to bear it ---- you are playing the fool. And "fool" in the Bible is a scary condition. You have no love inside of you, you are a noisy gong not doing anything to unite the body of Christ. I hate to be so antagonistic myself, but in the present you deserve admonishment and rebuke, not an embrace.

Irrefutable questions that Roman Catholics can t answer

 

[September]

I've noticed that a great many Christians tend to have absolutely no respect for other religions.

And they complain when Muslims behead them.

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[Meriweather]

Irrefutable questions that Roman Catholics can t answer

Grin. I can answer many of those questions without even doing any research. The others can be answered with a little research. Just out of curiosity, Ninja, do you believe the moon landings were false? The rhetoric strikes me as much the same.

There is a lot of ignorance out on the Internet. It seems as though you have stumbled into a gold mine. What I find sad is that if you were truly interested in Catholicism, or comparing and contrasting early Christian practices to practices Reformers put into place 1500 years later, there are many of us who would be happy to assist and have that conversation. As it is--with this and other threads--it's kind of fascinating to see just how long you can keep up shadowboxing with yourself.

Come on out of the shadows and into the light! Or, at the very least, stop telling us what we believe, and ask us (and listen to) what we believe. I think you might be amazed by what actual Catholics tell you as compared to what ignorant, hate sites seem to be brainwashing you with.

Salvation in a nutshell: Christ did not come to condemn the world, but came so everyone might have life and have it more abundantly. God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

 

[turzovka]

Turzovka, I'm saved by the blood, I don't want prayers of an unbeliever.

You are also the biggest coward on this board. Merriweather and others can attest to that.

Don't worry, since you have no interest in actual discourse I will not be bothering you. Go play your fool's game. You are a noisy gong and you are not doing the Lord a good service. (imo) No wonder no one listens to Christians when they have haughty blowhards like you in their face.

 

[ninja007]

Irrefutable questions that Roman Catholics can t answer

Grin. I can answer many of those questions without even doing any research. The others can be answered with a little research. Just out of curiosity, Ninja, do you believe the moon landings were false? The rhetoric strikes me as much the same.

There is a lot of ignorance out on the Internet. It seems as though you have stumbled into a gold mine. What I find sad is that if you were truly interested in Catholicism, or comparing and contrasting early Christian practices to practices Reformers put into place 1500 years later, there are many of us who would be happy to assist and have that conversation. As it is--with this and other threads--it's kind of fascinating to see just how long you can keep up shadowboxing with yourself.

Come on out of the shadows and into the light! Or, at the very least, stop telling us what we believe, and ask us (and listen to) what we believe. I think you might be amazed by what actual Catholics tell you as compared to what ignorant, hate sites seem to be brainwashing you with.

Salvation in a nutshell: Christ did not come to condemn the world, but came so everyone might have life and have it more abundantly. God's will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

how are they ignorant hate sites? Why not take one thing from any of those articles and tell me why it is false? Shouldn't be hard to do, right?