Chevy Volt Production Put On Five Week Hold

[Old Rocks]

if there were so many people who did, they would sell, oh wait they are to expensive? well what do you know?

and theres a tiny weensy little issue regards technology , why it is you insist on fitting a round peg into a square hole.....oh becasue its 'good'....


people want these these cars becasue congress via CAFE standards distorts the market and willful refusal to provide for the supply of petrol that would keep them in the larger vehicles the really want.

Congress is willfully refusing to supply petrol? You aren't even starting from a reasonable person standard.

Oil is running out. Even if we drilled every conceivable place in the US that there might be oil, it won't affect the price of gas that drastically. Oil, no matter where it comes from, goes into the global market. We don't have enough oil in our ground to make a dent.

We can make a difference right now today. For an investment equal to about what we spend in a week on oil in this country we can have battery swapping stations from coast to coast.

No, EVs won't replace ALL gas powered vehicles. Yes, people will still need their larger gas powered vehicles, but imagine if these EVs replaced 10% of gas powered vehicles for people on their daily, one person in their gas guzzling SU-fucking-V, commutes? How much would that reduce our dependency on oil?

The Volt is expensive. So's the Tesla. And? The Tesla, by the way, is developing a less expensive Sedan. Still in the over 35K range, but a far cry from what one of their Roadsters cost.

The cost will come down for these vehicles and their wonderful technology. Maybe if they got all the tax breaks and subsidies the oil companies get..

yes, congress and namely the pres. have kept the industry in check, providing exploratory licenses is one thing, then granting production leases is wholly another.

The natural gas boom is being driven purely by private domain, federal lands account for less than 15% of the productive fields. Obama has zip to do with it BUT the EPA is doing their level best to interfere, but thats a great deal harder on privately leased land.

Even if we drilled every conceivable place in the US that there might be oil, it won't affect the price of gas that drastically

now you're just making things up....


peak Oil or fossil fuel peak is BS, period.



the technology is not there yet, we have 5 national laboratories where in we spend billions to foster R&D on Green tech., they are on it.

When the tech. creates an efficient method of electrical power for vehicles, it won't be a secret, we are still at least a decade away.

Ecology has zip to do with it. The Volt is a mess, its cramped, its range is not very good, and the price precludes mass consumption, not even close to that. It is a boutique vehicle, GM did their level best with ala the federal help they needed to make it work, so IF IT COULD WORK, they wold not be pulling it.


Unless of course you are in favor of just paying GM outright to make them, AND then having them via a transfer of tax dollars to them, so they could drop the price to say 15-25k range....thats just nuts, period, why not just give them away.

Gas and diesel are currently our biggest export. So how is more drilling going to change the price?

 

[Trajan]

Ditto heads here are at their logical best. Screaming about the high price of gas, and stating that the President or Congress needs to ramp up drilling or refining, even as Gasoline and Diesel have become our biggest export. This is the free market, folks, the very market you wished for.

Of course, the idea of vehicles that use less fuel is an anthema to them. Imagine driving a vehicle that has a far higher dependibility rating and gets double the mileage. What a horrible thought. Just scream about non-existant policies that are driviing up the fuel costs.

Very high capacity batteries are just around the corner. Batteries that will cost 50% less and carry 3 to 5 times as many kwh by weight. As they come onto the market, the ICE will die. It will take a generation and a half, but that is the future.

define- 'just around the corner'.


and, you're just another hack challenged by logic who resorts to emotion to carry their 'argument'. its tiring.

 

[bripat9643]

How do you figure that, asshole? Did you buy a Volt?

Rush, Beck, Sean etc ruined the Volt's rep 24/7 and stupid dittoheads believe and repeat it. Total political BS. Figure that out yet? And who asked you, shyttehead? LOL!

Yoiu mean those guys who are irrelevant and that nobody listens to? What about the huge number of liberals that idiots like you claim exist in this country? Did Rush convince them not to buy it?

 

[Trajan]

Congress is willfully refusing to supply petrol? You aren't even starting from a reasonable person standard.

Oil is running out. Even if we drilled every conceivable place in the US that there might be oil, it won't affect the price of gas that drastically. Oil, no matter where it comes from, goes into the global market. We don't have enough oil in our ground to make a dent.

We can make a difference right now today. For an investment equal to about what we spend in a week on oil in this country we can have battery swapping stations from coast to coast.

No, EVs won't replace ALL gas powered vehicles. Yes, people will still need their larger gas powered vehicles, but imagine if these EVs replaced 10% of gas powered vehicles for people on their daily, one person in their gas guzzling SU-fucking-V, commutes? How much would that reduce our dependency on oil?

The Volt is expensive. So's the Tesla. And? The Tesla, by the way, is developing a less expensive Sedan. Still in the over 35K range, but a far cry from what one of their Roadsters cost.

The cost will come down for these vehicles and their wonderful technology. Maybe if they got all the tax breaks and subsidies the oil companies get..

yes, congress and namely the pres. have kept the industry in check, providing exploratory licenses is one thing, then granting production leases is wholly another.

The natural gas boom is being driven purely by private domain, federal lands account for less than 15% of the productive fields. Obama has zip to do with it BUT the EPA is doing their level best to interfere, but thats a great deal harder on privately leased land.

Even if we drilled every conceivable place in the US that there might be oil, it won't affect the price of gas that drastically

now you're just making things up....


peak Oil or fossil fuel peak is BS, period.



the technology is not there yet, we have 5 national laboratories where in we spend billions to foster R&D on Green tech., they are on it.

When the tech. creates an efficient method of electrical power for vehicles, it won't be a secret, we are still at least a decade away.

Ecology has zip to do with it. The Volt is a mess, its cramped, its range is not very good, and the price precludes mass consumption, not even close to that. It is a boutique vehicle, GM did their level best with ala the federal help they needed to make it work, so IF IT COULD WORK, they wold not be pulling it.


Unless of course you are in favor of just paying GM outright to make them, AND then having them via a transfer of tax dollars to them, so they could drop the price to say 15-25k range....thats just nuts, period, why not just give them away.

Gas and diesel are currently our biggest export. So how is more drilling going to change the price?

why?

 

[Seawytch]

if there were so many people who did, they would sell, oh wait they are to expensive? well what do you know?

and theres a tiny weensy little issue regards technology , why it is you insist on fitting a round peg into a square hole.....oh becasue its 'good'....


people want these these cars becasue congress via CAFE standards distorts the market and willful refusal to provide for the supply of petrol that would keep them in the larger vehicles the really want.

Congress is willfully refusing to supply petrol? You aren't even starting from a reasonable person standard.

Oil is running out. Even if we drilled every conceivable place in the US that there might be oil, it won't affect the price of gas that drastically. Oil, no matter where it comes from, goes into the global market. We don't have enough oil in our ground to make a dent.

We can make a difference right now today. For an investment equal to about what we spend in a week on oil in this country we can have battery swapping stations from coast to coast.

No, EVs won't replace ALL gas powered vehicles. Yes, people will still need their larger gas powered vehicles, but imagine if these EVs replaced 10% of gas powered vehicles for people on their daily, one person in their gas guzzling SU-fucking-V, commutes? How much would that reduce our dependency on oil?

The Volt is expensive. So's the Tesla. And? The Tesla, by the way, is developing a less expensive Sedan. Still in the over 35K range, but a far cry from what one of their Roadsters cost.

The cost will come down for these vehicles and their wonderful technology. Maybe if they got all the tax breaks and subsidies the oil companies get..

yes, congress and namely the pres. have kept the industy in check, providing exploratory licenses is one thing, then grating production leases is wholly another.

The natural gas boom is being driven purly by private domain, federal lands account for less than 15% of the productive fields. Obama has zip to do with it BUT the EPA is doing their level best to interfere, but thats a great deal harder on privately leased land.

Even if we drilled every conceivable place in the US that there might be oil, it won't affect the price of gas that drastically

now you're just making things up....

No, I'm not. Read my last post.

peak Oil or fossil fuel peak is BS, period.

And, naturally, you can provide scientists to support your claim that Peak Oil is "BS" (one that doesn't work for Exxon, if you please).

Has the World Already Passed “Peak Oil”?

the technology is not there yet, we have 5 national laboratories where in we spend billions to foster R&D on Green tech., they are on it.

When the tech. creates an efficient method of electrical power for vehicles, it won't be a secret, we are still at least a decade away.

Ecology has zip to do with it. The Volt is a mess, its cramped, its range is not very good, and the price precludes mass consumption, not even close to that. It is a boutique vehicle, GM did their level best with ala the federal help they needed to make it work, so IF IT COULD WORK, they wold not be pulling it.


Unless of course you are in favor of just paying GM outright to make them, AND then having them via a transfer of tax dollars to them, so they could drop the price to say 15-25k range....thats just nuts, period, why not just give them away.

I just mentioned the technology we have now. We have the technology for battery swapping stations and solar charging stations. If these industries were subsidized like the oil industry is...imagine how far along we'd be.

 

[bripat9643]

The problem isn't necessarily the reliability(it's too early to make that assumption), the problem is the price point. Our local Chevy Dealer has one, and Polly(my wife) and I stopped in to take a look at it, perhaps even take a test drive. It had a Sticker price of $43k. That's way too much to make a car like the Volt feasible for most people.

I am of the opinion that GM's approach should have been to lower the cost of the Volt by increasing the price of the gas hogs they make and applying that upcharge to the price of the Volt.

However, if it proves true that the Volt is unreliable, then it's all for naught anyway. But at least people would have only made a bad investment of $30k instead of 40+.

You're forgetting that a corporation can't operate like the government. They can't stick it to some customers for the benefit of others because the ones they try to stick it to will just go somewhere else. That's one of the primary defects of government.

 

[bripat9643]

We are producing more domestically. Drilling is WAY up.

Is gas more expensive here or in Canada? The answer is Canada. Did you know that Canada is a net exporter of oil? That's right, they produce about 3.3 million barrels a day and consume about 2.2 million. So, they produce more than they consume in their country.

They pay more for a gallon of gas in Canada than they do in the United States.

Is the picture coming clearer to anyone?

They pay more purely because of taxes, dolt.

 

[bripat9643]

Ditto heads here are at their logical best. Screaming about the high price of gas, and stating that the President or Congress needs to ramp up drilling or refining, even as Gasoline and Diesel have become our biggest export. This is the free market, folks, the very market you wished for.

Of course, the idea of vehicles that use less fuel is an anthema to them. Imagine driving a vehicle that has a far higher dependibility rating and gets double the mileage. What a horrible thought. Just scream about non-existant policies that are driviing up the fuel costs.

Very high capacity batteries are just around the corner. Batteries that will cost 50% less and carry 3 to 5 times as many kwh by weight. As they come onto the market, the ICE will die. It will take a generation and a half, but that is the future.

meanwhile, Obama's EPA is shutting down 15% of all the coal fired power plants in the country.

 

[saveliberty]

The problem isn't necessarily the reliability(it's too early to make that assumption), the problem is the price point. Our local Chevy Dealer has one, and Polly(my wife) and I stopped in to take a look at it, perhaps even take a test drive. It had a Sticker price of $43k. That's way too much to make a car like the Volt feasible for most people.

I am of the opinion that GM's approach should have been to lower the cost of the Volt by increasing the price of the gas hogs they make and applying that upcharge to the price of the Volt.

However, if it proves true that the Volt is unreliable, then it's all for naught anyway. But at least people would have only made a bad investment of $30k instead of 40+.

Why should I pay for your car? Electric cars are not practical in the rural area I live in. I already subsidize every step of the battery production process, now you need me to pay for the rest of the vehicle? GM isn't making money on the Volt, now you want to bankrupt the company by making it harder to sel the vehicles that can make a profit. You sir, are not thinking this through beyond your own wants.

 

[Seawytch]

We are producing more domestically. Drilling is WAY up.

Is gas more expensive here or in Canada? The answer is Canada. Did you know that Canada is a net exporter of oil? That's right, they produce about 3.3 million barrels a day and consume about 2.2 million. So, they produce more than they consume in their country.

They pay more for a gallon of gas in Canada than they do in the United States.

Is the picture coming clearer to anyone?

They pay more purely because of taxes, dolt.

So, fucktwat, take away the taxes...what would they pay for gas? 'Bout what we pay? But how can that be? They are an exporter of oil, producing more than they consume..

 

[rightwinger]

Ditto heads here are at their logical best. Screaming about the high price of gas, and stating that the President or Congress needs to ramp up drilling or refining, even as Gasoline and Diesel have become our biggest export. This is the free market, folks, the very market you wished for.

Of course, the idea of vehicles that use less fuel is an anthema to them. Imagine driving a vehicle that has a far higher dependibility rating and gets double the mileage. What a horrible thought. Just scream about non-existant policies that are driviing up the fuel costs.

Very high capacity batteries are just around the corner. Batteries that will cost 50% less and carry 3 to 5 times as many kwh by weight. As they come onto the market, the ICE will die. It will take a generation and a half, but that is the future.

meanwhile, Obama's EPA is shutting down 15% of all the coal fired power plants in the country.

Old, inefficient and dirty. If they wanted to keep up with current standards, they could have

 

[bripat9643]

meanwhile, Obama's EPA is shutting down 15% of all the coal fired power plants in the country.

Old, inefficient and dirty. If they wanted to keep up with current standards, they could have

They are shutting down specifically because of new EPA regulations, moron. Even Obama admits that. It doesn't matter how you characterize them. The fact is they will have to be replaced. The cost of that will be $billions of dollars instead of zero, and the cost will be laid on the consumers, the people turds like you claim to care about so much.

Liberals are so full of crap their eyes are brown.

 

[Trajan]

Congress is willfully refusing to supply petrol? You aren't even starting from a reasonable person standard.

Oil is running out. Even if we drilled every conceivable place in the US that there might be oil, it won't affect the price of gas that drastically. Oil, no matter where it comes from, goes into the global market. We don't have enough oil in our ground to make a dent.

We can make a difference right now today. For an investment equal to about what we spend in a week on oil in this country we can have battery swapping stations from coast to coast.

No, EVs won't replace ALL gas powered vehicles. Yes, people will still need their larger gas powered vehicles, but imagine if these EVs replaced 10% of gas powered vehicles for people on their daily, one person in their gas guzzling SU-fucking-V, commutes? How much would that reduce our dependency on oil?

The Volt is expensive. So's the Tesla. And? The Tesla, by the way, is developing a less expensive Sedan. Still in the over 35K range, but a far cry from what one of their Roadsters cost.

The cost will come down for these vehicles and their wonderful technology. Maybe if they got all the tax breaks and subsidies the oil companies get..

yes, congress and namely the pres. have kept the industy in check, providing exploratory licenses is one thing, then grating production leases is wholly another.

The natural gas boom is being driven purly by private domain, federal lands account for less than 15% of the productive fields. Obama has zip to do with it BUT the EPA is doing their level best to interfere, but thats a great deal harder on privately leased land.



now you're just making things up....

No, I'm not. Read my last post.

peak Oil or fossil fuel peak is BS, period.

And, naturally, you can provide scientists to support your claim that Peak Oil is "BS" (one that doesn't work for Exxon, if you please).

Has the World Already Passed “Peak Oil”?

the technology is not there yet, we have 5 national laboratories where in we spend billions to foster R&D on Green tech., they are on it.

When the tech. creates an efficient method of electrical power for vehicles, it won't be a secret, we are still at least a decade away.

Ecology has zip to do with it. The Volt is a mess, its cramped, its range is not very good, and the price precludes mass consumption, not even close to that. It is a boutique vehicle, GM did their level best with ala the federal help they needed to make it work, so IF IT COULD WORK, they wold not be pulling it.


Unless of course you are in favor of just paying GM outright to make them, AND then having them via a transfer of tax dollars to them, so they could drop the price to say 15-25k range....thats just nuts, period, why not just give them away.

I just mentioned the technology we have now. We have the technology for battery swapping stations and solar charging stations. If these industries were subsidized like the oil industry is...imagine how far along we'd be.

and your article? here, for you, only becasue you've been civil, I will help you out;

Reading Comprehension Connection: Home



subsidies I knew it, do you know what the differences are between a subsidy and a grant, or hand out? Or a TAX DEDUCTIONS?

 

[Trajan]

Ditto heads here are at their logical best. Screaming about the high price of gas, and stating that the President or Congress needs to ramp up drilling or refining, even as Gasoline and Diesel have become our biggest export. This is the free market, folks, the very market you wished for.

Of course, the idea of vehicles that use less fuel is an anthema to them. Imagine driving a vehicle that has a far higher dependibility rating and gets double the mileage. What a horrible thought. Just scream about non-existant policies that are driviing up the fuel costs.

Very high capacity batteries are just around the corner. Batteries that will cost 50% less and carry 3 to 5 times as many kwh by weight. As they come onto the market, the ICE will die. It will take a generation and a half, but that is the future.

meanwhile, Obama's EPA is shutting down 15% of all the coal fired power plants in the country.

Old, inefficient and dirty. If they wanted to keep up with current standards, they could have

the standards were changed numbskull.....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Consumer Reports never rates American cars highly..........what else is shocking?

It seems you don't read CR....the rating in question is by the readers....those who own the cars in question.

Edmunds.com provides owner reviews too. The Chevy volt gets 4.7 for the 2011 and 4.8 for the 2012 out of 5 stars.

So folks aren't buying because.......????

 

[rightwinger]

meanwhile, Obama's EPA is shutting down 15% of all the coal fired power plants in the country.

Old, inefficient and dirty. If they wanted to keep up with current standards, they could have

They are shutting down specifically because of new EPA regulations, moron. Even Obama admits that. It doesn't matter how you characterize them. The fact is they will have to be replaced. The cost of that will be $billions of dollars instead of zero, and the cost will be laid on the consumers, the people turds like you claim to care about so much.

Liberals are so full of crap their eyes are brown.

It is the cost of dumping shit into our air. It sucks when you can't do what you want doesn't it?

 

[Trajan]

We can reduce our dependence on foreign oil now, by producing more domestically. The regime is just too intent on destruction to do that.

We are producing more domestically. Drilling is WAY up.

Is gas more expensive here or in Canada? The answer is Canada. Did you know that Canada is a net exporter of oil? That's right, they produce about 3.3 million barrels a day and consume about 2.2 million. So, they produce more than they consume in their country.

They pay more for a gallon of gas in Canada than they do in the United States.

Is the picture coming clearer to anyone?

why do they pay more? hummm?

 

[rightwinger]

meanwhile, Obama's EPA is shutting down 15% of all the coal fired power plants in the country.

Old, inefficient and dirty. If they wanted to keep up with current standards, they could have

the standards were changed numbskull.....

Sucks don't it?

Making profit off of dumping shit in our air

 

[Trajan]

It seems you don't read CR....the rating in question is by the readers....those who own the cars in question.

Edmunds.com provides owner reviews too. The Chevy volt gets 4.7 for the 2011 and 4.8 for the 2012 out of 5 stars.

So folks aren't buying because.......????

becasue everyone hates electric, thats the old socks argument...get with it, if it doesn't work or is not cost efficient and people don't want it, and it must becasue they HATE IT....the last refuge of a depleted intellect.

 

[Seawytch]

yes, congress and namely the pres. have kept the industy in check, providing exploratory licenses is one thing, then grating production leases is wholly another.

The natural gas boom is being driven purly by private domain, federal lands account for less than 15% of the productive fields. Obama has zip to do with it BUT the EPA is doing their level best to interfere, but thats a great deal harder on privately leased land.



now you're just making things up....

No, I'm not. Read my last post.




And, naturally, you can provide scientists to support your claim that Peak Oil is "BS" (one that doesn't work for Exxon, if you please).

Has the World Already Passed “Peak Oil”?

the technology is not there yet, we have 5 national laboratories where in we spend billions to foster R&D on Green tech., they are on it.

When the tech. creates an efficient method of electrical power for vehicles, it won't be a secret, we are still at least a decade away.

Ecology has zip to do with it. The Volt is a mess, its cramped, its range is not very good, and the price precludes mass consumption, not even close to that. It is a boutique vehicle, GM did their level best with ala the federal help they needed to make it work, so IF IT COULD WORK, they wold not be pulling it.


Unless of course you are in favor of just paying GM outright to make them, AND then having them via a transfer of tax dollars to them, so they could drop the price to say 15-25k range....thats just nuts, period, why not just give them away.

I just mentioned the technology we have now. We have the technology for battery swapping stations and solar charging stations. If these industries were subsidized like the oil industry is...imagine how far along we'd be.

and your article? here, for you, only becasue you've been civil, I will help you out;

Reading Comprehension Connection: Home



subsidies I knew it, do you know what the differences are between a subsidy and a grant, or hand out? Or a TAX DEDUCTIONS?

What about my article? Did you miss it or do you have information to counter it. If you missed it, here it is again.

Has the World Already Passed “Peak Oil”?

It's from National Geographic.

Oil is subsidized and given tax breaks other industries do not get. I am merely suggesting that these technologies and industries be given the same advantages.

Why wait until we are completely out of oil before taking steps to reduce our dependency on it? Why is this such a ludicrous concept?