China & Russia essentially give us the bird

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The traitor made the mistake of bragging about the info he has to sell to the highest bidder, and Russia is thinking that if they hold him they can get the info for free.

The freelance spy has said that he has names of CIA agents and assets around the world, and he's threatening to disclose them. The last time that was done in this country, we saw a CIA station chief murdered in Greece. The filthy traitor boasted that he possesses the "full rosters of everyone working at the NSA, the entire intelligence community and undercover assets all around the world, the locations of every station we have, what their missions are and so forth."

And,of course, the America hating Tea Bag Brotherhood are hoping he sells the secrets to our enemies so they can blame Obama no matter how many of our agents are killed in the process. It's Benghazi on steroids.

This is a serious question. Did he really offer to sell this information? Do you have sources for that? I ask, because I do not get cable news, and this is the first that i have heard of this. If you have sound sources for this allegation, it would definately change my way of thinking about him.

The simple fact he has 4 computers with him full of classified intellgence along with much printed data as well as his cavorting with the likes of China, Russia, etc. is enough to make anyone in their right mind cringe. They know he has this info due to all the reporting. The 4 computers were mentioned in the daily briefing with Jay Carney.

If he wanted China and Russia to have this information why did he go to Glenn Greenwald and Barton Gellman, two journalists, for nothing, rather than selling it to those governments?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I have no input into the fate that awaits him, but I am drawing conclusions about my government, what they are doing behind our backs, to what end, to whose advantage, and for what reasons. Those conclusions are NOT positive.

By making Snowden the issue, they want you to forget about what the government has been doing.

 

[JoeBlam]

NSA missed the the wackadoo at Ft. Hood, they missed the Boston Bomber boys, further back they missed the shoe-bomber, the underwear bomber, and the mob that shot up the hotel in New Delhi which pissed off India, which in turn drew Paki troops onto the frontier, and Afghan border taliban were not attacked as planned. Tell me, who exactly is NSA hunting, terrorists or the Tea Party?

 

[depotoo]

"The simple fact he has 4 computers with him full of classified intellgence along with much printed data as well as his cavorting with the likes of China, Russia, etc. is enough to make anyone in their right mind cringe. They know he has this info due to all the reporting."

I understand that the fact exisits that this man presents a terrible risk. However, for my purposes, I find it much better for me to come to conclusions based on facts about the man, rather than conjecture of his intentions.

Considering this -

By Associated Press, Updated: Monday, June 24, 9:02 AM
HONG KONG — Officially, admitted leaker Edward Snowden was able to leave Hong Kong because U.S. authorities made a mistake in their arrest request, but the semiautonomous Chinese city also indicated displeasure over Snowden’s revelation that the former British colony had been a target of American hacking.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...be8460-dcbd-11e2-a484-7b7f79cd66a1_story.html

So we do know he is revealing some secrets. How much? Who knows. How far will he be pushed for info by some? Who knows. The facts remain he has revealed secrets. He is not to be trusted at this point.

 

[nitroz]

Watching Jay Carney now and he appears VERY upset.

Question:
If Obama reset or rebuilt relationships with these countries as he's claimed why are they thumbing their nose at us?

This whole scenario has made a mockery of us.

Honestly, I'm glad that they are doing so.

While they are benefiting from this, the American people are benefiting from this as well.


It sends a message to Washington.

 

[edthecynic]

I'll be surprised if he leaves Russia anytime soon. Bad move on his part.

The traitor made the mistake of bragging about the info he has to sell to the highest bidder, and Russia is thinking that if they hold him they can get the info for free.

The freelance spy has said that he has names of CIA agents and assets around the world, and he's threatening to disclose them. The last time that was done in this country, we saw a CIA station chief murdered in Greece. The filthy traitor boasted that he possesses the "full rosters of everyone working at the NSA, the entire intelligence community and undercover assets all around the world, the locations of every station we have, what their missions are and so forth."

And,of course, the America hating Tea Bag Brotherhood are hoping he sells the secrets to our enemies so they can blame Obama no matter how many of our agents are killed in the process. It's Benghazi on steroids.

Conjecture, demagoguery, and outright lies. Snowden never threatened to release the names of CIA agents or assets around the world. This was a claim Peter King made about Glenn Greenwald, which was ultimately debunked as the lie it was.

Nothing has been debunked and Greenwald has a history of anti-American rhetoric and is a fixture at international communist conferences.

Glenn Greenwald Regularly Attends Marxist-Leninist Conferences

New Zealand writer and researcher Trevor Loudon reports that Glenn Greenwald spoke to the Socialism 2011 conference and ended the evening of July 3, 2011, as part of a plenary entitled “Revolution and imperialism in the Middle East.” Prior to Glenn Greenwald’s talk to the group, on civil liberties under President Obama, people in attendance chanted “Palestine will be free” and “Wars of occupation will never bring liberation.”

Greenwald is also a featured speaker at the Socialism 2013 conference in Chicago this month.

“That Greenwald was willing to address a gathering of some of the most revolutionary, anti-American elements in the country speaks volumes about his personal views,” noted Loudon. “So Glenn Greenwald, the man who leaked America’s vital national security secrets on a massive scale, may not be the objective, impartial journalist he portrays himself to be.”

Indeed, the emerging evidence is that Greenwald, who writes for the British Guardian newspaper, works hand-in-glove with the International Marxist movement against the United States and its allies. This would help explain why China, Russia and other American adversaries and enemies stand to benefit from his disclosures.

As we have reported, Greenwald proudly accepted an award named in honor of Soviet agent and left-wing journalist I.F. Stone. He has encouraged people to donate money to WikiLeaks, the organization started by Julian Assange that disclosed classified information about U.S. counter-terrorism programs. Assange worked for Moscow-funded Russia Today (RT) before being granted asylum in the London embassy of the Marxist government of Ecuador.

Greenwald’s source in the NSA controversy, a former NSA contractor named Edward Snowden, is hiding out in Chinese Hong Kong and has been offered asylum in Russia.

snip/

Greenwald is a hero to the Marxists for challenging the NSA and “the surveillance state.” One account says, “During a speech at the Socialism 2012 conference, Greenwald called the creeping surveillance state—with the expansive NSA hoarding complex at its center—an impediment to any efforts to meaningfully challenge the political status quo.”

It appears to be the case that Greenwald—and apparently his “source,” Edward Snowden—see the NSA, the spy agency created in 1948, as standing in the way of the worldwide victory of “anti-imperialist” forces.

 

[Vandalshandle]

"He is not to be trusted at this point. "

...and those that are persecuting him are to be trusted?

 

[Redfish]

Watching Jay Carney now and he appears VERY upset.

Question:
If Obama reset or rebuilt relationships with these countries as he's claimed why are they thumbing their nose at us?

This whole scenario has made a mockery of us.

Honestly, I'm glad that they are doing so.

While they are benefiting from this, the American people are benefiting from this as well.


It sends a message to Washington.

yes, and the message is: you made a big mistake america. obama has made us weak, disrespected, and vulnerable.

but no one should be surprized, he has vowed to fundamentally change america--and he has, we will soon reach his goal of the USA as a third rate nation--and he will finally "get even" for slavery and evil capitalist profit.

you voted him in, you now have to deal with the damage he is doing. One Big Ass Mistake America.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The traitor made the mistake of bragging about the info he has to sell to the highest bidder, and Russia is thinking that if they hold him they can get the info for free.

The freelance spy has said that he has names of CIA agents and assets around the world, and he's threatening to disclose them. The last time that was done in this country, we saw a CIA station chief murdered in Greece. The filthy traitor boasted that he possesses the "full rosters of everyone working at the NSA, the entire intelligence community and undercover assets all around the world, the locations of every station we have, what their missions are and so forth."

And,of course, the America hating Tea Bag Brotherhood are hoping he sells the secrets to our enemies so they can blame Obama no matter how many of our agents are killed in the process. It's Benghazi on steroids.

Conjecture, demagoguery, and outright lies. Snowden never threatened to release the names of CIA agents or assets around the world. This was a claim Peter King made about Glenn Greenwald, which was ultimately debunked as the lie it was.

Nothing has been debunked and Greenwald has a history of anti-American rhetoric and is a fixture at international communist conferences.

Glenn Greenwald Regularly Attends Marxist-Leninist Conferences

New Zealand writer and researcher Trevor Loudon reports that Glenn Greenwald spoke to the Socialism 2011 conference and ended the evening of July 3, 2011, as part of a plenary entitled “Revolution and imperialism in the Middle East.” Prior to Glenn Greenwald’s talk to the group, on civil liberties under President Obama, people in attendance chanted “Palestine will be free” and “Wars of occupation will never bring liberation.”

Greenwald is also a featured speaker at the Socialism 2013 conference in Chicago this month.

“That Greenwald was willing to address a gathering of some of the most revolutionary, anti-American elements in the country speaks volumes about his personal views,” noted Loudon. “So Glenn Greenwald, the man who leaked America’s vital national security secrets on a massive scale, may not be the objective, impartial journalist he portrays himself to be.”

Indeed, the emerging evidence is that Greenwald, who writes for the British Guardian newspaper, works hand-in-glove with the International Marxist movement against the United States and its allies. This would help explain why China, Russia and other American adversaries and enemies stand to benefit from his disclosures.

As we have reported, Greenwald proudly accepted an award named in honor of Soviet agent and left-wing journalist I.F. Stone. He has encouraged people to donate money to WikiLeaks, the organization started by Julian Assange that disclosed classified information about U.S. counter-terrorism programs. Assange worked for Moscow-funded Russia Today (RT) before being granted asylum in the London embassy of the Marxist government of Ecuador.

Greenwald’s source in the NSA controversy, a former NSA contractor named Edward Snowden, is hiding out in Chinese Hong Kong and has been offered asylum in Russia.

snip/

Greenwald is a hero to the Marxists for challenging the NSA and “the surveillance state.” One account says, “During a speech at the Socialism 2012 conference, Greenwald called the creeping surveillance state—with the expansive NSA hoarding complex at its center—an impediment to any efforts to meaningfully challenge the political status quo.”

It appears to be the case that Greenwald—and apparently his “source,” Edward Snowden—see the NSA, the spy agency created in 1948, as standing in the way of the worldwide victory of “anti-imperialist” forces.

Zero evidence and guilt by association nonsense. Good work.

 

[depotoo]

"He is not to be trusted at this point. "

...and those that are persecuting him are to be trusted?

Persecuting him? When he is running around with intelligence we have on other countries and is receiving safe passage from those countries? This is not just about metadata the US govt. has been collecting on Americans. This goes much further than that. IF you can't understand its implications, then you must be very young and naive in thinking that these particular countries would not do just about anything to be able to get ahold of this information he has on them and our methods.

I was once young and naive. I wanted to believe the best in everyone. Guess what?

 

[Vandalshandle]

Frankly, I don't think that this guy has that much detailed information about spy's, moles, etc. He has got to know that it would put him at risk of torture and death, just walking around with it. Up to now, I have been thinking that his info is more general. As for the USA spying on China, well, I could have told you that, and the closest I ever came to the CIA was when I drove through Virginia on vacation once.

 

[Roadrunner]

The thrill is gone for the Germans too.

A few hundred showed up this time, far cry from last time.

 

[edthecynic]

The traitor made the mistake of bragging about the info he has to sell to the highest bidder, and Russia is thinking that if they hold him they can get the info for free.

The freelance spy has said that he has names of CIA agents and assets around the world, and he's threatening to disclose them. The last time that was done in this country, we saw a CIA station chief murdered in Greece. The filthy traitor boasted that he possesses the "full rosters of everyone working at the NSA, the entire intelligence community and undercover assets all around the world, the locations of every station we have, what their missions are and so forth."

And,of course, the America hating Tea Bag Brotherhood are hoping he sells the secrets to our enemies so they can blame Obama no matter how many of our agents are killed in the process. It's Benghazi on steroids.

This is a serious question. Did he really offer to sell this information? Do you have sources for that? I ask, because I do not get cable news, and this is the first that i have heard of this. If you have sound sources for this allegation, it would definately change my way of thinking about him.

No. This was a claim Rep. Peter King made regarding Glenn Greenwald, one of the journalists involved in the NSA story, and it was a lie then, as it is a lie now that it is being attributed to Edward Snowden.

“Not only did [Greenwald] disclose this information, he said he has names of CIA agents and assets around the world and threatening to disclose that,” King said when asked by host Megyn Kelly why he wants to prosecute the reporter. “I think [prosecuting reporters] should be very targeted and very selective and a rare exception. In this case, when you have someone who discloses secrets like this and threatens to release more, yes, there has to be legal action taken against him.”

Rep. Peter King Calls For Arrest Of Glenn Greenwald: Freedom Of Press ?Cherished,? But ?No Right Is Absolute? | Mediaite

Greenwald's response:

I was really staggered that a United States congressman, the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, actually could go on national television and make up an accusation, literally fabricated out of whole cloth, namely that I have threatened to uncover the names of covert CIA agents, as a way of arguing for my arrest and prosecution inside the United States for the crime of doing journalism.

Guardian's Greenwald blasts Rep. King's accusations in NSA case - CNN.com

Look how readily the America hating Tea Bag Brotherhood accept the word of an avowed Marxist Socialist, Greenwald, that he won't reveal America's agents to our enemies!!

 

[Roadrunner]

They are hunting honest Americans.

Honest Americans are the main threat to Obamanation.

 

[depotoo]

Frankly, I don't think that this guy has that much detailed information about spy's, moles, etc. He has got to know that it would put him at risk of torture and death, just walking around with it. Up to now, I have been thinking that his info is more general. As for the USA spying on China, well, I could have told you that, and the closest I ever came to the CIA was when I drove through Virginia on vacation once.

Of course all countries are spying on one another. The difference here is this information could alert them to agents within their countries, our methods, etc. and put the US in a very compromising position as well as our agents out there.

 

[RoadVirus]

And,of course, the America hating Tea Bag Brotherhood are hoping he sells the secrets to our enemies so they can blame Obama no matter how many of our agents are killed in the process.

Bullshit....and you know it.

 

[RoadVirus]

The simple fact he has 4 computers with him full of classified intellgence along with much printed data as well as his cavorting with the likes of China, Russia, etc. is enough to make anyone in their right mind cringe. They know he has this info due to all the reporting. The 4 computers were mentioned in the daily briefing with Jay Carney.

What's sad is that some dumbshit at the NSA thought it would be okay to give a contractor access to so much info.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

This is a serious question. Did he really offer to sell this information? Do you have sources for that? I ask, because I do not get cable news, and this is the first that i have heard of this. If you have sound sources for this allegation, it would definately change my way of thinking about him.

No. This was a claim Rep. Peter King made regarding Glenn Greenwald, one of the journalists involved in the NSA story, and it was a lie then, as it is a lie now that it is being attributed to Edward Snowden.



Rep. Peter King Calls For Arrest Of Glenn Greenwald: Freedom Of Press ?Cherished,? But ?No Right Is Absolute? | Mediaite

Greenwald's response:

I was really staggered that a United States congressman, the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, actually could go on national television and make up an accusation, literally fabricated out of whole cloth, namely that I have threatened to uncover the names of covert CIA agents, as a way of arguing for my arrest and prosecution inside the United States for the crime of doing journalism.

Guardian's Greenwald blasts Rep. King's accusations in NSA case - CNN.com

Look how readily the America hating Tea Bag Brotherhood accept the word of an avowed Marxist Socialist, Greenwald, that he won't reveal America's agents to our enemies!!

Look at ed making up more nonsense, rather than actually providing evidence for his original claims.

 

[edthecynic]

Conjecture, demagoguery, and outright lies. Snowden never threatened to release the names of CIA agents or assets around the world. This was a claim Peter King made about Glenn Greenwald, which was ultimately debunked as the lie it was.

Nothing has been debunked and Greenwald has a history of anti-American rhetoric and is a fixture at international communist conferences.

Glenn Greenwald Regularly Attends Marxist-Leninist Conferences

New Zealand writer and researcher Trevor Loudon reports that Glenn Greenwald spoke to the Socialism 2011 conference and ended the evening of July 3, 2011, as part of a plenary entitled “Revolution and imperialism in the Middle East.” Prior to Glenn Greenwald’s talk to the group, on civil liberties under President Obama, people in attendance chanted “Palestine will be free” and “Wars of occupation will never bring liberation.”

Greenwald is also a featured speaker at the Socialism 2013 conference in Chicago this month.

“That Greenwald was willing to address a gathering of some of the most revolutionary, anti-American elements in the country speaks volumes about his personal views,” noted Loudon. “So Glenn Greenwald, the man who leaked America’s vital national security secrets on a massive scale, may not be the objective, impartial journalist he portrays himself to be.”

Indeed, the emerging evidence is that Greenwald, who writes for the British Guardian newspaper, works hand-in-glove with the International Marxist movement against the United States and its allies. This would help explain why China, Russia and other American adversaries and enemies stand to benefit from his disclosures.

As we have reported, Greenwald proudly accepted an award named in honor of Soviet agent and left-wing journalist I.F. Stone. He has encouraged people to donate money to WikiLeaks, the organization started by Julian Assange that disclosed classified information about U.S. counter-terrorism programs. Assange worked for Moscow-funded Russia Today (RT) before being granted asylum in the London embassy of the Marxist government of Ecuador.

Greenwald’s source in the NSA controversy, a former NSA contractor named Edward Snowden, is hiding out in Chinese Hong Kong and has been offered asylum in Russia.

snip/

Greenwald is a hero to the Marxists for challenging the NSA and “the surveillance state.” One account says, “During a speech at the Socialism 2012 conference, Greenwald called the creeping surveillance state—with the expansive NSA hoarding complex at its center—an impediment to any efforts to meaningfully challenge the political status quo.”

It appears to be the case that Greenwald—and apparently his “source,” Edward Snowden—see the NSA, the spy agency created in 1948, as standing in the way of the worldwide victory of “anti-imperialist” forces.

Zero evidence and guilt by association nonsense. Good work.

Funny how flimsier guilt by association was good enough to link Obama to Ayres. Funny how the hypocritical Tea Bag Brotherhood can't live up to their own established standards.

 

[RoadVirus]

Watching Jay Carney now and he appears VERY upset.

Question:
If Obama reset or rebuilt relationships with these countries as he's claimed why are they thumbing their nose at us?

This whole scenario has made a mockery of us.

Honestly, I'm glad that they are doing so.

While they are benefiting from this, the American people are benefiting from this as well.


It sends a message to Washington.

yes, and the message is: you made a big mistake america. obama has made us weak, disrespected, and vulnerable.