Confederate statue removed from historic North Carolina courthouse

[Bush92]

Listen fucktard, the point of this thread has been discussed over and over. You are pretending that it has not, and making up a lot of shit, to justify, your being a race baiting asshole.

You are a piece of shit.

On the contrary, I've been expounding on this very subject for years, bringing in all manner of related history about its origins, probably more than any other poster. I know exactly what it's about and what it isn't about.

From one of those older threads, I like this:

Statues of Robert E. Lee should be festooned with a disclaimer stating "General Lee specifically told us not to do this, which tells us much about the agendas of those who went ahead and did it anyway".​

For over 5 generations, Confederate symbols, and southern pride, have been accepted as part of the wider American culture and Patriotism.

For you to act as though this did not happen, is just you being a liar.

Your motive, is race baiting of the worst sort.

"Accepted" huh.

------ by who?

By the nation as a whole. Are you really this incredibly fucking ignorant?

Got news fo' yo' ass. The nation as a whole never did "accept" it. Black impressions matter.

>> “In a city that I represent that’s 67 percent African American, to have a young African-American girl pass by that statue and look at it every day, I ask myself, ‘Am I really preparing her for a really good future? Is she feeling like she’s getting lifted up by the government, or is she being put down?’” Landrieu tells Anderson Cooper this week on 60 Minutes. “I mean, I think the answer’s pretty clear.”

On the broadcast this week, Cooper reports on the debate throughout the South to remove Confederate monuments, including the two that were at the center of the violence that broke out in Charlottesville last August.

Landrieu told Cooper that his decision to remove the Lee monument began with a conversation with an old friend, renowned jazz musician and New Orleans native Wynton Marsalis. Among other subjects, the two had been talking about plans for New Orleans ahead of the city’s 300th anniversary, which will occur this year.

“It was absolutely Wynton who said to me, ‘I really want you to think about taking that thing down,’” Landrieu says in the video above.

In an interview with 60 Minutes Overtime’s Ann Silvio, Marsalis says the statue — which stood prominently in a traffic circle called “Lee Circle” — was a “ definitive marker” in New Orleans. The statue featured Lee, arms crossed, in his Civil War regalia, and it faced north “as an affront to the Union,” Landrieu says.

The monument was also an insult to Marsalis’ uncle, who grew up on a plantation. Marsalis lived with him for a year when he was 6 years old.

“The only reason I noticed the statue was my great-uncle, who was born in 1883, always talked about that statue,” Marsalis says. “He’d point it out every time. He hated that statue.”

“It made my great-uncle feel bad,” Marsalis says. “So because it made him feel bad, I was aware of it.”

Today, Lee’s statue sits in a hastily built plywood shed, along with the other three Confederate statues that were removed from New Orleans. Landrieu asked that 60 Minutes not reveal the location.

On the broadcast, the mayor tells Cooper the monuments were a “lie.”

“In the sense that Robert E. Lee was used as an example to send a message to the rest of the country, and to all the people that lived here, that the Confederacy was a noble cause,” Landrieu says. “And that’s just not true.” << --- WyntonMarsalis.org

Do the math. Marsalis uncle was not a slave.

 

[Correll]

Listen fucktard, the point of this thread has been discussed over and over. You are pretending that it has not, and making up a lot of shit, to justify, your being a race baiting asshole.

You are a piece of shit.

On the contrary, I've been expounding on this very subject for years, bringing in all manner of related history about its origins, probably more than any other poster. I know exactly what it's about and what it isn't about.

From one of those older threads, I like this:

Statues of Robert E. Lee should be festooned with a disclaimer stating "General Lee specifically told us not to do this, which tells us much about the agendas of those who went ahead and did it anyway".​

For over 5 generations, Confederate symbols, and southern pride, have been accepted as part of the wider American culture and Patriotism.

For you to act as though this did not happen, is just you being a liar.

Your motive, is race baiting of the worst sort.

"Accepted" huh.

------ by who?

By the nation as a whole. Are you really this incredibly fucking ignorant?

Got news fo' yo' ass. The nation as a whole never did "accept" it. Black impressions matter.
.... << --- WyntonMarsalis.org

Why does a few voices raised, generations after the fact, trump the rest of the nation?

 

[Bush92]

On the contrary, I've been expounding on this very subject for years, bringing in all manner of related history about its origins, probably more than any other poster. I know exactly what it's about and what it isn't about.

From one of those older threads, I like this:

Statues of Robert E. Lee should be festooned with a disclaimer stating "General Lee specifically told us not to do this, which tells us much about the agendas of those who went ahead and did it anyway".​

For over 5 generations, Confederate symbols, and southern pride, have been accepted as part of the wider American culture and Patriotism.

For you to act as though this did not happen, is just you being a liar.

Your motive, is race baiting of the worst sort.

"Accepted" huh.

------ by who?

Racist ass clowns.

Please elaborate on your time as a slave? Without using the term “my people” because they are not YOUR people.

If they are not MY people then these traitors statues you honor so dearly are not YOUR people.

That’s true...they’re not. Statues honor bravery on battlefield.

 

[Correll]

Listen fucktard, the point of this thread has been discussed over and over. You are pretending that it has not, and making up a lot of shit, to justify, your being a race baiting asshole.

You are a piece of shit.

On the contrary, I've been expounding on this very subject for years, bringing in all manner of related history about its origins, probably more than any other poster. I know exactly what it's about and what it isn't about.

From one of those older threads, I like this:

Statues of Robert E. Lee should be festooned with a disclaimer stating "General Lee specifically told us not to do this, which tells us much about the agendas of those who went ahead and did it anyway".​

For over 5 generations, Confederate symbols, and southern pride, have been accepted as part of the wider American culture and Patriotism.


For you to act as though this did not happen, is just you being a liar.


Your motive, is race baiting of the worst sort.

Wow that's your weak ass argument. What is patriotic about being a traitor.

The issue of conflicting loyalties was resolved and accepted over 5 generations ago, by the very men that fought in that war.


Even a clown like you, cannot have missed something that has been part of your national culture for over one hundred and forty years, you ass clown.


Knock off your pathetic shit.

The pathetic shit is racist like you wanting to honor traitors.

You made the "point" such as it is, about the "treason".


I addressed it. I pointed out the history of how America as a whole dealt with that, and moved on, long ago.



You, in response, called me a name.


You lose and you are a fucking moron.


My point stands.



The issue of conflicting loyalties was resolved and accepted over 5 generations ago, by the very men that fought in that war.

 

[Bush92]

Listen fucktard, the point of this thread has been discussed over and over. You are pretending that it has not, and making up a lot of shit, to justify, your being a race baiting asshole.

You are a piece of shit.

On the contrary, I've been expounding on this very subject for years, bringing in all manner of related history about its origins, probably more than any other poster. I know exactly what it's about and what it isn't about.

From one of those older threads, I like this:

Statues of Robert E. Lee should be festooned with a disclaimer stating "General Lee specifically told us not to do this, which tells us much about the agendas of those who went ahead and did it anyway".​

For over 5 generations, Confederate symbols, and southern pride, have been accepted as part of the wider American culture and Patriotism.


For you to act as though this did not happen, is just you being a liar.


Your motive, is race baiting of the worst sort.

Wow that's your weak ass argument. What is patriotic about being a traitor.

The issue of conflicting loyalties was resolved and accepted over 5 generations ago, by the very men that fought in that war.


Even a clown like you, cannot have missed something that has been part of your national culture for over one hundred and forty years, you ass clown.


Knock off your pathetic shit.

The pathetic shit is racist like you wanting to honor traitors.

People fighting for what they believed was a just cause.

 

[Bush92]

Listen fucktard, the point of this thread has been discussed over and over. You are pretending that it has not, and making up a lot of shit, to justify, your being a race baiting asshole.

You are a piece of shit.

On the contrary, I've been expounding on this very subject for years, bringing in all manner of related history about its origins, probably more than any other poster. I know exactly what it's about and what it isn't about.

From one of those older threads, I like this:

Statues of Robert E. Lee should be festooned with a disclaimer stating "General Lee specifically told us not to do this, which tells us much about the agendas of those who went ahead and did it anyway".​

For over 5 generations, Confederate symbols, and southern pride, have been accepted as part of the wider American culture and Patriotism.


For you to act as though this did not happen, is just you being a liar.


Your motive, is race baiting of the worst sort.

Wow that's your weak ass argument. What is patriotic about being a traitor.

The issue of conflicting loyalties was resolved and accepted over 5 generations ago, by the very men that fought in that war.


Even a clown like you, cannot have missed something that has been part of your national culture for over one hundred and forty years, you ass clown.


Knock off your pathetic shit.

The pathetic shit is racist like you wanting to honor traitors.

How’s things in the White suburbs of Portland?

 

[Correll]

On the contrary, I've been expounding on this very subject for years, bringing in all manner of related history about its origins, probably more than any other poster. I know exactly what it's about and what it isn't about.

From one of those older threads, I like this:

Statues of Robert E. Lee should be festooned with a disclaimer stating "General Lee specifically told us not to do this, which tells us much about the agendas of those who went ahead and did it anyway".​

For over 5 generations, Confederate symbols, and southern pride, have been accepted as part of the wider American culture and Patriotism.


For you to act as though this did not happen, is just you being a liar.


Your motive, is race baiting of the worst sort.

Wow that's your weak ass argument. What is patriotic about being a traitor.

The issue of conflicting loyalties was resolved and accepted over 5 generations ago, by the very men that fought in that war.


Even a clown like you, cannot have missed something that has been part of your national culture for over one hundred and forty years, you ass clown.


Knock off your pathetic shit.

The pathetic shit is racist like you wanting to honor traitors.

People fighting for what they believed was a just cause.

That is the way that Americans have looked at it, for well over 5 generations.


Including the generation that actually fought that war.


That these liberals think they are entitled to renege on forgiveness granted by those Heroes, is unbelievable.


They are such clowns.

 

[Pogo]

On the contrary, I've been expounding on this very subject for years, bringing in all manner of related history about its origins, probably more than any other poster. I know exactly what it's about and what it isn't about.

From one of those older threads, I like this:

Statues of Robert E. Lee should be festooned with a disclaimer stating "General Lee specifically told us not to do this, which tells us much about the agendas of those who went ahead and did it anyway".​

For over 5 generations, Confederate symbols, and southern pride, have been accepted as part of the wider American culture and Patriotism.

For you to act as though this did not happen, is just you being a liar.

Your motive, is race baiting of the worst sort.

"Accepted" huh.

------ by who?

By the nation as a whole. Are you really this incredibly fucking ignorant?

Got news fo' yo' ass. The nation as a whole never did "accept" it. Black impressions matter.
.... << --- WyntonMarsalis.org

Why does [sic] a few voices raised, generations after the fact, trump the rest of the nation?

They doesn't [sic]. This is Charlottesville's business. Not yours, not mine. Charlottesville's.

And again --- there's nothing you can answer to this --- IT'S THEIR FUCKING LAND. **YOU** don't dick-tate what THEY can do with their own fucking land, just as THEY don't dick-tate to YOU what you can do with yours.

 

[Correll]

For over 5 generations, Confederate symbols, and southern pride, have been accepted as part of the wider American culture and Patriotism.

For you to act as though this did not happen, is just you being a liar.

Your motive, is race baiting of the worst sort.

"Accepted" huh.

------ by who?

By the nation as a whole. Are you really this incredibly fucking ignorant?

Got news fo' yo' ass. The nation as a whole never did "accept" it. Black impressions matter.
.... << --- WyntonMarsalis.org

Why does [sic] a few voices raised, generations after the fact, trump the rest of the nation?

They doesn't [sic]. This is Charlottesville's business. Not yours, not mine. Charlottesville's.

And again --- there's nothing you can answer to this --- IT'S THEIR FUCKING LAND. **YOU** don't dick-tate what THEY can do with their own fucking land, just as THEY don't dick-tate to YOU what you can do with yours.

Your cowardly pretense that this is not part of a larger issue, is not fooling anyone, not even yourself.


You are just making yourself look, like the dishonest coward that you are, and that we all know you are. Including yourself.

 

[Bush92]

For over 5 generations, Confederate symbols, and southern pride, have been accepted as part of the wider American culture and Patriotism.

For you to act as though this did not happen, is just you being a liar.

Your motive, is race baiting of the worst sort.

"Accepted" huh.

------ by who?

By the nation as a whole. Are you really this incredibly fucking ignorant?

Got news fo' yo' ass. The nation as a whole never did "accept" it. Black impressions matter.
.... << --- WyntonMarsalis.org

Why does [sic] a few voices raised, generations after the fact, trump the rest of the nation?

They doesn't [sic]. This is Charlottesville's business. Not yours, not mine. Charlottesville's.

And again --- there's nothing you can answer to this --- IT'S THEIR FUCKING LAND. **YOU** don't dick-tate what THEY can do with their own fucking land, just as THEY don't dick-tate to YOU what you can do with yours.

That’s right...and they gave a legal permit for one group to march in the city and another didn’t have it.

 

[Pogo]

"Accepted" huh.

------ by who?

By the nation as a whole. Are you really this incredibly fucking ignorant?

Got news fo' yo' ass. The nation as a whole never did "accept" it. Black impressions matter.
.... << --- WyntonMarsalis.org

Why does [sic] a few voices raised, generations after the fact, trump the rest of the nation?

They doesn't [sic]. This is Charlottesville's business. Not yours, not mine. Charlottesville's.

And again --- there's nothing you can answer to this --- IT'S THEIR FUCKING LAND. **YOU** don't dick-tate what THEY can do with their own fucking land, just as THEY don't dick-tate to YOU what you can do with yours.

That’s right...and they gave a legal permit for one group to march in the city and another didn’t have it.

Nobody needed a fucking "permit" to manage the city's own land, Dumbass.

 

[Bush92]

By the nation as a whole. Are you really this incredibly fucking ignorant?

Got news fo' yo' ass. The nation as a whole never did "accept" it. Black impressions matter.
.... << --- WyntonMarsalis.org

Why does [sic] a few voices raised, generations after the fact, trump the rest of the nation?

They doesn't [sic]. This is Charlottesville's business. Not yours, not mine. Charlottesville's.

And again --- there's nothing you can answer to this --- IT'S THEIR FUCKING LAND. **YOU** don't dick-tate what THEY can do with their own fucking land, just as THEY don't dick-tate to YOU what you can do with yours.

That’s right...and they gave a legal permit for one group to march in the city and another didn’t have it.

Nobody needed a fucking "permit" to manage the city's own land, Dumbass.

Talking about the city permit that the preservationist group had to march?

 

[Correll]

By the nation as a whole. Are you really this incredibly fucking ignorant?

Got news fo' yo' ass. The nation as a whole never did "accept" it. Black impressions matter.
.... << --- WyntonMarsalis.org

Why does [sic] a few voices raised, generations after the fact, trump the rest of the nation?

They doesn't [sic]. This is Charlottesville's business. Not yours, not mine. Charlottesville's.

And again --- there's nothing you can answer to this --- IT'S THEIR FUCKING LAND. **YOU** don't dick-tate what THEY can do with their own fucking land, just as THEY don't dick-tate to YOU what you can do with yours.

That’s right...and they gave a legal permit for one group to march in the city and another didn’t have it.

Nobody needed a fucking "permit" to manage the city's own land, Dumbass.

Are you pretending, or are you really that stupid?

 

[Correll]

Got news fo' yo' ass. The nation as a whole never did "accept" it. Black impressions matter.
.... << --- WyntonMarsalis.org

Why does [sic] a few voices raised, generations after the fact, trump the rest of the nation?

They doesn't [sic]. This is Charlottesville's business. Not yours, not mine. Charlottesville's.

And again --- there's nothing you can answer to this --- IT'S THEIR FUCKING LAND. **YOU** don't dick-tate what THEY can do with their own fucking land, just as THEY don't dick-tate to YOU what you can do with yours.

That’s right...and they gave a legal permit for one group to march in the city and another didn’t have it.

Nobody needed a fucking "permit" to manage the city's own land, Dumbass.

Talking about the city permit that the preservationist group had to march?

He is pretending to be too stupid to keep his lies in order. Or maybe he really is that stupid. I'm not sure.

 

[pknopp]

When are you going to stop?

Stop what? Calling you cowardly race baiting assholes on being cowardly race baiting assholes?


I will never stop calling cowardly race baiting assholes like you, on your cowardly race baiting assholeness.


NEVER.


I will always be here, in your face.


Deal with it.

Nothing to deal with, you are a racist ass clown that is fighting to keep those racist monuments in place.

Your excuse for your race baiting and being a fucking asshole is noted and dismissed. YOu are still the bad guy here, asshole.

Only to racist who want to keep racist, traitors monuments in place.

Why are you such an asshole? Why do you race bait? Everyone knows, but do you have the balls to admit it, or are you too much of a pussy?

Let's see if you are man enough to admit you are a racist ass clown fighting to keep racist monuments of traitors up.

Except that we both know, that Confederate symbols have been accepted as part of American culture for over 5 generations.


So, that is just you being an ass clown.


Nothing racist about regional pride. YOu are a subhuman lying piece of shit.

Separate water fountains, hotels and schools were accepted for many years also.

 

[Leo123]

Let's take down the Statue of Liberty then.

Statue of Liberty.... Statue of Liberty ...........
---- OK that has WHAT to do with the Cult of the Lost Cause?

You said history is in books not statues.

Which, it is.

--------- And?

And, according to what you posted we don’t need the Statue Of Liberty either then. Shall we tear it down too?

And we're right back to where we started, which is --------- WHAT does the Statue of Liberty have to do with the Cult of the Lost Cause? Don't think I ever got an answer on that.

Why don't you just answer the question? I think you can't. I'll try yet again. You said history is in books in response to the tearing down of a historic statue. It seemed to me you were discounting our historic statues, monuments, etc. I then posed a question as to whether you would be OK with the tearing down of the Statue of Liberty then, your answer included "Cult of the lost Cause" which has nothing to do with the subject we were discussing. Maybe you could explain just what the fuck you are talking about? Some of US don't ascribe to lefty-talk.

 

[Correll]

Stop what? Calling you cowardly race baiting assholes on being cowardly race baiting assholes?


I will never stop calling cowardly race baiting assholes like you, on your cowardly race baiting assholeness.


NEVER.


I will always be here, in your face.


Deal with it.

Nothing to deal with, you are a racist ass clown that is fighting to keep those racist monuments in place.

Your excuse for your race baiting and being a fucking asshole is noted and dismissed. YOu are still the bad guy here, asshole.

Only to racist who want to keep racist, traitors monuments in place.

Why are you such an asshole? Why do you race bait? Everyone knows, but do you have the balls to admit it, or are you too much of a pussy?

Let's see if you are man enough to admit you are a racist ass clown fighting to keep racist monuments of traitors up.

Except that we both know, that Confederate symbols have been accepted as part of American culture for over 5 generations.


So, that is just you being an ass clown.


Nothing racist about regional pride. YOu are a subhuman lying piece of shit.

Separate water fountains, hotels and schools were accepted for many years also.

Equality before the law, was the goal for many generations, and was eventually achieved, long ago.


And during that whole time, the celebration of confederate symbols was seen as harmless regional pride and part of the larger American culture, utterly unconnected to the issue of equality.


Even back to, and including the generation of men that fought and paid the price of that war.



To pretend, now, suddenly that this has become an issue, for the children of the children of the children of the children of those who were freed by those men, so long ago,


is absurd.

 

[pknopp]

Nothing to deal with, you are a racist ass clown that is fighting to keep those racist monuments in place.

Your excuse for your race baiting and being a fucking asshole is noted and dismissed. YOu are still the bad guy here, asshole.

Only to racist who want to keep racist, traitors monuments in place.

Why are you such an asshole? Why do you race bait? Everyone knows, but do you have the balls to admit it, or are you too much of a pussy?

Let's see if you are man enough to admit you are a racist ass clown fighting to keep racist monuments of traitors up.

Except that we both know, that Confederate symbols have been accepted as part of American culture for over 5 generations.


So, that is just you being an ass clown.


Nothing racist about regional pride. YOu are a subhuman lying piece of shit.

Separate water fountains, hotels and schools were accepted for many years also.

Equality before the law, was the goal for many generations, and was eventually achieved, long ago.


And during that whole time, the celebration of confederate symbols was seen as harmless regional pride and part of the larger American culture, utterly unconnected to the issue of equality.


Even back to, and including the generation of men that fought and paid the price of that war.



To pretend, now, suddenly that this has become an issue, for the children of the children of the children of the children of those who were freed by those men, so long ago,


is absurd.

You've lost. Get over it. Isn't that what we told Hillary?

 

[Correll]

Your excuse for your race baiting and being a fucking asshole is noted and dismissed. YOu are still the bad guy here, asshole.

Only to racist who want to keep racist, traitors monuments in place.

Why are you such an asshole? Why do you race bait? Everyone knows, but do you have the balls to admit it, or are you too much of a pussy?

Let's see if you are man enough to admit you are a racist ass clown fighting to keep racist monuments of traitors up.

Except that we both know, that Confederate symbols have been accepted as part of American culture for over 5 generations.


So, that is just you being an ass clown.


Nothing racist about regional pride. YOu are a subhuman lying piece of shit.

Separate water fountains, hotels and schools were accepted for many years also.

Equality before the law, was the goal for many generations, and was eventually achieved, long ago.


And during that whole time, the celebration of confederate symbols was seen as harmless regional pride and part of the larger American culture, utterly unconnected to the issue of equality.


Even back to, and including the generation of men that fought and paid the price of that war.



To pretend, now, suddenly that this has become an issue, for the children of the children of the children of the children of those who were freed by those men, so long ago,


is absurd.

You've lost. Get over it. Isn't that what we told Hillary?

But I did not lose. Americans fought and then put the fight behind them, long before I was born. In no way was it a loss for me.


If anyone loss, it was the idea that America would be divided by the conflict. The policy was to heal the wounds of the war, and that was done, successfully, generations before either of us were born.


SInce then, the celebration of confederate symbols, have been accepted as a completely harmless form of regional pride, within the larger American culture, for many generations.


Seriously, what the fuck are you even talking about?

 

[pknopp]

Only to racist who want to keep racist, traitors monuments in place.

Let's see if you are man enough to admit you are a racist ass clown fighting to keep racist monuments of traitors up.

Except that we both know, that Confederate symbols have been accepted as part of American culture for over 5 generations.


So, that is just you being an ass clown.


Nothing racist about regional pride. YOu are a subhuman lying piece of shit.

Separate water fountains, hotels and schools were accepted for many years also.

Equality before the law, was the goal for many generations, and was eventually achieved, long ago.


And during that whole time, the celebration of confederate symbols was seen as harmless regional pride and part of the larger American culture, utterly unconnected to the issue of equality.


Even back to, and including the generation of men that fought and paid the price of that war.



To pretend, now, suddenly that this has become an issue, for the children of the children of the children of the children of those who were freed by those men, so long ago,


is absurd.

You've lost. Get over it. Isn't that what we told Hillary?

But I did not lose. Americans fought and then put the fight behind them, long before I was born. In no way was it a loss for me.


If anyone loss, it was the idea that America would be divided by the conflict. The policy was to heal the wounds of the war, and that was done, successfully, generations before either of us were born.


SInce then, the celebration of confederate symbols, have been accepted as a completely harmless form of regional pride, within the larger American culture, for many generations.


Seriously, what the fuck are you even talking about?

Get over it.