Cons say the government doesn't create jobs....

[bripat9643]

You are completely misguided. Capital gains investments are not companies investing in supplying a demand. You're talking about the source the company turns to in order to fund various ventures which may or may not pan out. Venture capitalists risk their wealth for the chance of realizing a profit on their investment... a capital gain. Tax that gain too much and they are just better off not investing and keeping their wealth in securities or tax shelters.

The .003% tax is cute, but who here believes that would; a.) produce enough revenue to even pay for one of Obama's vacations? b.) remain at .003% after liberal democrats get it instituted? c.) do anything to stimulate the economy? What it WOULD do is have an effect on stocks traded. Especially for large stock trades and the more risky trades.

Yes, I know the economy doesn't care if what we are spending is taxpayer dollars or dollars earned through production, talent, ingenuity, etc. Obama has proven that. We can actually GROW the economy that way for a while, and we have done this the past few years at about 1~2% or so. The problem is, it's not sustainable.

Corporations are sitting on $6 trillion in record profits, so where's all the investments?

I'll tell you where, they're waiting for demand to go up.

They're waiting for the Kenyan communist to leave office.

 

[bripat9643]

M-kay... YOU said:
Are you proposing we sit back and let the free market provide infrastucture? Complete lunacy, you want to pay a toll every half mile?

I replied:
Hmmm.... Has anyone EVER encountered a privately-owned toll road?

Then your quoted response above. Doesn't make sense.

My point was, the government is the only people I know of who collect tolls on roads. I've never encountered a privately-owned toll road and just wondered if anyone had. It sounded like you didn't want the private sector to handle infrastructure because we'd have toll roads every half mile... but private sector capitalists don't build toll roads.

And while we're on this quote... GOVERNMENT doesn't provide ANY goddamn thing. WE provide... in the form of taxes, or in some cases, tolls. Government has no other source of income other than the taxpayers. It doesn't produce anything for profit.

You totally miss the point....the Government IS We the People

Read the Preamble to the Constitution

No, the government is not the same as We The People.

Let's do read the Preamble:

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

You'll notice it doesn't say "We the people are henceforth, The Government."

What it says is, We the people establish this Constitution. The "government" doesn't exist yet... the Constitution will outline the powers the government will have. It outlines a government with three equal branches, the legislative, executive and judicial. It outlines how we elect or appoint those positions. At no point does the Constitution indicate the government becomes 'one' with those who control it.

Sad that you miss the power of our Constitution

We the People established the constitution of our own government. That constitution enabled common men to elect their own representatives in that government

Again... YOU said "We The People ARE the Government!" I challenged that with the very source you cited, the Preamble of the Constitution. Now you are walking back your previous statement and admitting that it was flawed. Man established the Constitution which outlines the structure of the government.

No, the Constitution did not enable man... Men enabled the Constitution. Men are enabled by their Creator who endowed them with inalienable rights, including the right to self-govern.

You obviously have no clue as to what "We the People" entails
I never said We the People are the government....I said the Government is us. We the People created it, We the People elect the representatives, We the People fund it

"Men are enabled by their Creator who endowed them with inalienable rights, including the right to self-govern" This is from the Declaration of Independence not the Constitution

I didn't vote for any of the scumbags currently office, so how did I create it? Did I create Social Security, Medicare, Welfare? Nope.

 

[PredFan]

You are as usual, confused.

The government does NOT create jobs and both Bush and Trump would tell you that. If you had a functioning brain cell to your name, you'd know what they meant but you are an idiot so it has to be explained to you.

What they mean is to create an environment where private businesses can create jobs. Like reducing taxes, giving tax incentives, cutting regulations, and basically getting the goverent out if the way.

Another ignorant left wing nut thread killed. My job is done here.

Shove that right wing bullshit up your ass, fuckface.

I personally worked on a DOE contract for 4 years. That's 4 years collecting a paycheck. That's 4 years with a fucking job, you asshole.

You were sucking off the taxpayers and providing them with nothing of value in return. You were a drain on the economy, a boat anchor, a useless tick on the ass of society.

Furthermore, it doesn't matter how much taxes or regulations are reduced, the only thing that creates jobs, is demand.

Demand comes from people with jobs. So what you've said is that jobs create jobs.

When will you libturds ever tire of regurgitating this idiocy?

No company, let me repeat, NO COMPANY is going to invest capitol in a market that's not in demand.

Really? What was the demand for the iPhone before Apple invested billions of dollars in it?

He's a moron, he doesn't even know what he's arguing about.

 

[bripat9643]

Wrong. We are definitely not the government. If I was, then why can't I stop paying taxes?

Sure you can

Use your constitutional rights to seek the repeal of all taxes. If you can get enough We the People to go along, you can do it

Good luck anarchist

In other words, I can't. The vast majority of people want the border sealed. They vote accordingly. Has the border been sealed?

Nope. Your theory of us being the government is obviously a fiction.

The border can't be sealed 100%. It is a simplistic fantasy of the right wing

They can be sealed 95%, and that's good enough.

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Half of all illegal immigrants never crossed the border illegally, how is a bigger fence going to stop that?

It's more like 40% of illegals overstayed their visas.

So?

 

[bripat9643]

You obviously have no clue as to what "We the People" entails
I never said We the People are the government....I said the Government is us. We the People created it, We the People elect the representatives, We the People fund it

"Men are enabled by their Creator who endowed them with inalienable rights, including the right to self-govern" This is from the Declaration of Independence not the Constitution

And since "We the People", who created the government, that created the environment businesses could thrive, corporate America is obligated to put that money back into the system for the benefit of "We the People".

Sorry, but that's just pure horseshit. About the only thing government does that business can't do for itself is provide for the national defence. Furthermore, we all benefit from that, not just that.

It's about time you numskulls realized that when you tax business everyone pays. Calling for taxes in business is just a sleazy way to impose taxes on everyone. Anyone who does it is a scumbag.

 

[Camp]

Building a wall or a fence is just another conservative proposal that will never be attained because they will never approve of raising revenue to pay for it. They will not approve a one percent raise in taxes for people making over ten million dollars a year or a one cent per gallon tax on gasoline to pay for their proposed wall and fence.

Horseshit. The fence will cost far less than a 1% increase in taxes. It will cost less than a 0.25% in taxes. IT will be far cheaper than the welfare, free schooling and free healthcare we provide to illegals.

Liberals only wail about the cost of something when it foils their schemes to impose tyranny and loot us all.

I never complained about the cost dick head. I said the conservatives would not raise the revenue to pay for it. I gave a random number but I will be glad to concede your number might be closer than mine. But the baggers and repubs still won't raise revenue because their the masters only care about one thing. Keeping taxes low. Everything else, like the fence and wall garbage is just kool aid to keep you nutters happy. It's all bullshit you suckers fall for every four years. Once the primaries are over we won't hear anymore of the nonsense they feed you guys.

 

[bripat9643]

You are as usual, confused.

The government does NOT create jobs and both Bush and Trump would tell you that. If you had a functioning brain cell to your name, you'd know what they meant but you are an idiot so it has to be explained to you.

What they mean is to create an environment where private businesses can create jobs. Like reducing taxes, giving tax incentives, cutting regulations, and basically getting the goverent out if the way.

Another ignorant left wing nut thread killed. My job is done here.

Shove that right wing bullshit up your ass, fuckface.

I personally worked on a DOE contract for 4 years. That's 4 years collecting a paycheck. That's 4 years with a fucking job, you asshole.

Furthermore, it doesn't matter how much taxes or regulations are reduced, the only thing that creates jobs, is demand. No company, let me repeat, NO COMPANY is going to invest capitol in a market that's not in demand.

Exactly

Trying to imply that all tax dollars that a company pays would otherwise go to creating more jobs is ridiculous

How is that "ridiculous?"

 

[rightwinger]

You totally miss the point....the Government IS We the People

Read the Preamble to the Constitution

No, the government is not the same as We The People.

Let's do read the Preamble:

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

You'll notice it doesn't say "We the people are henceforth, The Government."

What it says is, We the people establish this Constitution. The "government" doesn't exist yet... the Constitution will outline the powers the government will have. It outlines a government with three equal branches, the legislative, executive and judicial. It outlines how we elect or appoint those positions. At no point does the Constitution indicate the government becomes 'one' with those who control it.

Sad that you miss the power of our Constitution

We the People established the constitution of our own government. That constitution enabled common men to elect their own representatives in that government

Again... YOU said "We The People ARE the Government!" I challenged that with the very source you cited, the Preamble of the Constitution. Now you are walking back your previous statement and admitting that it was flawed. Man established the Constitution which outlines the structure of the government.

No, the Constitution did not enable man... Men enabled the Constitution. Men are enabled by their Creator who endowed them with inalienable rights, including the right to self-govern.

You obviously have no clue as to what "We the People" entails
I never said We the People are the government....I said the Government is us. We the People created it, We the People elect the representatives, We the People fund it

"Men are enabled by their Creator who endowed them with inalienable rights, including the right to self-govern" This is from the Declaration of Independence not the Constitution

I didn't vote for any of the scumbags currently office, so how did I create it? Did I create Social Security, Medicare, Welfare? Nope.

We the People voted them in and support Social Security, Medicare and Welfare

You are welcome to run for office if you can get enough We the People to vote for you

 

[rightwinger]

You are as usual, confused.

The government does NOT create jobs and both Bush and Trump would tell you that. If you had a functioning brain cell to your name, you'd know what they meant but you are an idiot so it has to be explained to you.

What they mean is to create an environment where private businesses can create jobs. Like reducing taxes, giving tax incentives, cutting regulations, and basically getting the goverent out if the way.

Another ignorant left wing nut thread killed. My job is done here.

Shove that right wing bullshit up your ass, fuckface.

I personally worked on a DOE contract for 4 years. That's 4 years collecting a paycheck. That's 4 years with a fucking job, you asshole.

Furthermore, it doesn't matter how much taxes or regulations are reduced, the only thing that creates jobs, is demand. No company, let me repeat, NO COMPANY is going to invest capitol in a market that's not in demand.

Exactly

Trying to imply that all tax dollars that a company pays would otherwise go to creating more jobs is ridiculous

How is that "ridiculous?"

Because all profit is not converted into jobs

Demand for your product created more jobs, tax cuts do not

 

[bripat9643]

...they will never approve of raising revenue to pay for it. They will not approve a one percent raise in taxes...

It's because some people are too illiterate to understand that you don't always raise revenues by increasing tax rates. Here is a general rule of thumb: The more you tax something, the less of it you will have. So the more you increase taxes the less you get of whatever you're taxing. Illiterate liberals such as yourself don't realize this. You live in a vacuum where the thing your increasing the taxes on will continue unfettered without change.

Currently, someone who earns income of more than $10 million a year pays the top marginal tax rate of 39.6% and there are quite a few people in America who fall in this bracket. However... raise that rate to 70% or 92% as some have proposed, and suddenly you're going to discover there aren't hardly any Americans earning incomes over $10 million a year. You see... when you are earning that kind of income, you really don't need an income anymore. You can simply stop earning income and avoid the confiscatory taxes, then put all your wealth into securities and tax-free investments.

So this is what happens in reality... not in Liberal Utopialand where all your idiotic plans come to fruition and solve all the problems of the world. They have done extensive studies on increasing the top marginal tax rates and how it effects revenues. What they found is, every time (in modern history) we've raised the top marginal tax rates it has resulted in a decrease of revenue as compared to GDP. Subsequently, every time we've lowered the top marginal rates, we've experienced an increase in revenues as compared to GDP.

You are living in a delusional world of political commentary theories. When you need funds you go out and raise funds. Need something you can't afford, go out an get another job or ask the boss for overtime. Sure, it will put you in a higher tax bracket and cause you to pay more taxes, but it will also give you a bigger income to apply to your budget. In the end, your paycheck revenue is increased. If people making 10 million a year want to quit earning to avoid paying 1% more tax, let them. There are lines of competitors waiting to take their places.

No, the problem is, you've been immersed in Socialist kool-aid for too long and it's making you talk crazy. Competition? What the hell are you talking about? People who are making $10m a year aren't competing with others who want to be making $10m but can't because all the money is being made.

You've very modestly offered "1%" up as a proposed increase... much more 'conservative' than ANY of your liberal counterparts who have talked about 10%, 20%, 40%, 60% increases. But let's just stick with your 1%... that puts the top marginals at 40.6% tax rate on their earned incomes. Of course, there would be many who would not be effected and would just pay the tax. But there will also be a certain number who will look at this and say... Hey, I can move my operations to Mexico and only have to pay 35%. --Bye-bye jobs, bye-bye tax revenues. Or maybe they say... Hey, you know our CEO is going to get zapped by that new tax rate, so why don't we renegotiate his contract to pay him a salary of $9.9 million plus a condo in the Caymans? You see... there's always a way to get around an income tax rate for people like this. And they are really smart about it as well. They are basically two steps ahead of any liberal with a tax idea.

Finally, let me talk about a real life example. I don't know anyone who makes $10m a year... wish I did! I do know that Nick Saban makes $5m a year to coach the Alabama football team. So let's apply this tax increase idea to his earned income. Bottom line, it will result in less money going into Nick Saban's pocket at the end of the day. At some point Saban says... "Ya know what? This ain't worth it anymore! I'm tired of working my ass off and all my money going to pay my tax bill.... I'm going fishing!" I mean, the guy has wealth, money is not the issue, it's the principle of the matter. And yes, there would be another coach at Alabama... he wouldn't be Saban and he wouldn't be earning $5m a year.

I suggested that special projects, like building a fence, wall or other project to secure the southern border is only important to conservatives until you mention paying for it. You prove the point by driving all over the map and pretending to read my mind and positions on all things related to economics to find excuses why the program can not be paid for. The next suggestion to come will be to decrease funding for entitlements and public aid to pay for it.
Meantime, about 100 workers have six month long jobs in my area building pedestrian sidewalks and bike lanes along a busy highway. The project will no doubt save some lives because I live in a busy beach resort and we loose a couple of pedestrians and bike riders every summer. The government is paying for the project, hence the government created the jobs.

Can you quote any conservative who objects to paying for the cost of the wall? We'll just take the required funds out of Obamacare after it's rescinded.

 

[bripat9643]

No, the government is not the same as We The People.

Let's do read the Preamble:

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

You'll notice it doesn't say "We the people are henceforth, The Government."

What it says is, We the people establish this Constitution. The "government" doesn't exist yet... the Constitution will outline the powers the government will have. It outlines a government with three equal branches, the legislative, executive and judicial. It outlines how we elect or appoint those positions. At no point does the Constitution indicate the government becomes 'one' with those who control it.

Sad that you miss the power of our Constitution

We the People established the constitution of our own government. That constitution enabled common men to elect their own representatives in that government

Again... YOU said "We The People ARE the Government!" I challenged that with the very source you cited, the Preamble of the Constitution. Now you are walking back your previous statement and admitting that it was flawed. Man established the Constitution which outlines the structure of the government.

No, the Constitution did not enable man... Men enabled the Constitution. Men are enabled by their Creator who endowed them with inalienable rights, including the right to self-govern.

You obviously have no clue as to what "We the People" entails
I never said We the People are the government....I said the Government is us. We the People created it, We the People elect the representatives, We the People fund it

"Men are enabled by their Creator who endowed them with inalienable rights, including the right to self-govern" This is from the Declaration of Independence not the Constitution

I didn't vote for any of the scumbags currently office, so how did I create it? Did I create Social Security, Medicare, Welfare? Nope.

We the People voted them in and support Social Security, Medicare and Welfare

You are welcome to run for office if you can get enough We the People to vote for you

Really? You voted for Roosevelt and all the other Democrat criminals who approved the world's biggest Ponzi scheme?

 

[bripat9643]

You are as usual, confused.

The government does NOT create jobs and both Bush and Trump would tell you that. If you had a functioning brain cell to your name, you'd know what they meant but you are an idiot so it has to be explained to you.

What they mean is to create an environment where private businesses can create jobs. Like reducing taxes, giving tax incentives, cutting regulations, and basically getting the goverent out if the way.

Another ignorant left wing nut thread killed. My job is done here.

Shove that right wing bullshit up your ass, fuckface.

I personally worked on a DOE contract for 4 years. That's 4 years collecting a paycheck. That's 4 years with a fucking job, you asshole.

Furthermore, it doesn't matter how much taxes or regulations are reduced, the only thing that creates jobs, is demand. No company, let me repeat, NO COMPANY is going to invest capitol in a market that's not in demand.

Exactly

Trying to imply that all tax dollars that a company pays would otherwise go to creating more jobs is ridiculous

How is that "ridiculous?"

Because all profit is not converted into jobs

Demand for your product created more jobs, tax cuts do not

Tax cuts create demand, moron. All demand comes from people with jobs. So the "demand creates jobs" theory is really saying that jobs create jobs. It's astounding how many times morons like you are willing to ride that wheel of circular logic.

 

[bripat9643]

We can find money for a useless border fence but not essential infrastructure that helps We the People

I am going to assume this is a question. It appears to be but you didn't use any punctuation. Come to think of it, you never do. The short answer is yes. We can find money to build a border fence because that falls under national security and is one of the federal government's primary obligations. Infrastructure projects are not.

If you think an infrastructure project benefits "We the People" in your community, you guys can take your suggestions to the county commission or city council. If it's an idea that means a benefit to "We the People" in your whole state, you guys can go to the state legislators. If needed, you can put an initiative on the ballot and vote for it.

The Federal government was never intended or designed to take care of those things. Again, the Constitution outlines a very specific role for the Federal government and it does not include funding infrastructure projects in local communities. Whether it benefits people or not, it's not the job of Federal government.

Infrastructure is in the constitution.....border fences are not

Could a local community build the Hoover Dam?

No, only Postal Roads are actually mentioned in the Constitution.

 

[Boss]

We can find money for a useless border fence but not essential infrastructure that helps We the People

I am going to assume this is a question. It appears to be but you didn't use any punctuation. Come to think of it, you never do. The short answer is yes. We can find money to build a border fence because that falls under national security and is one of the federal government's primary obligations. Infrastructure projects are not.

If you think an infrastructure project benefits "We the People" in your community, you guys can take your suggestions to the county commission or city council. If it's an idea that means a benefit to "We the People" in your whole state, you guys can go to the state legislators. If needed, you can put an initiative on the ballot and vote for it.

The Federal government was never intended or designed to take care of those things. Again, the Constitution outlines a very specific role for the Federal government and it does not include funding infrastructure projects in local communities. Whether it benefits people or not, it's not the job of Federal government.

Infrastructure is in the constitution.....border fences are not

Could a local community build the Hoover Dam?

Infrastructure is NOT in the Constitution. Read it!

Don't know if a local community could build it.... probably not. Does the Hoover Dam just serve a local community? If not, why the hell do you offer it as an example?

 

[bripat9643]

We can find money for a useless border fence but not essential infrastructure that helps We the People

I am going to assume this is a question. It appears to be but you didn't use any punctuation. Come to think of it, you never do. The short answer is yes. We can find money to build a border fence because that falls under national security and is one of the federal government's primary obligations. Infrastructure projects are not.

If you think an infrastructure project benefits "We the People" in your community, you guys can take your suggestions to the county commission or city council. If it's an idea that means a benefit to "We the People" in your whole state, you guys can go to the state legislators. If needed, you can put an initiative on the ballot and vote for it.

The Federal government was never intended or designed to take care of those things. Again, the Constitution outlines a very specific role for the Federal government and it does not include funding infrastructure projects in local communities. Whether it benefits people or not, it's not the job of Federal government.

Infrastructure is in the constitution.....border fences are not

Could a local community build the Hoover Dam?

Infrastructure is NOT in the Constitution. Read it!

Don't know if a local community could build it.... probably not. Does the Hoover Dam just serve a local community? If not, why the hell do you offer it as an example?

Like all left-wingers, the Constitution he believes in is entirely imaginary.

 

[Boss]

You are as usual, confused.

The government does NOT create jobs and both Bush and Trump would tell you that. If you had a functioning brain cell to your name, you'd know what they meant but you are an idiot so it has to be explained to you.

What they mean is to create an environment where private businesses can create jobs. Like reducing taxes, giving tax incentives, cutting regulations, and basically getting the goverent out if the way.

Another ignorant left wing nut thread killed. My job is done here.

Shove that right wing bullshit up your ass, fuckface.

I personally worked on a DOE contract for 4 years. That's 4 years collecting a paycheck. That's 4 years with a fucking job, you asshole.

Furthermore, it doesn't matter how much taxes or regulations are reduced, the only thing that creates jobs, is demand. No company, let me repeat, NO COMPANY is going to invest capitol in a market that's not in demand.

Exactly

Trying to imply that all tax dollars that a company pays would otherwise go to creating more jobs is ridiculous

How is that "ridiculous?"

Because all profit is not converted into jobs

Demand for your product created more jobs, tax cuts do not

Tax cuts create demand, moron. All demand comes from people with jobs. So the "demand creates jobs" theory is really saying that jobs create jobs. It's astounding how many times morons like you are willing to ride that wheel of circular logic.

And quite technically speaking, jobs DO create jobs. More jobs means more people have income to spend and this increase in demand creates more jobs.

The problem with wingnut is he can't think dynamically. I guess he figures if the rich person doesn't run out there with his tax rebate and use it to directly hire someone, the money just becomes inconsequential. Like maybe the rich person uses it to get fires started in the fireplace or to line their bird cage. Maybe they just like to stack all their money under the mattress and sleep on it? Anything but actually spending it on stuff.... which would create jobs.

 

[rightwinger]

Sad that you miss the power of our Constitution

We the People established the constitution of our own government. That constitution enabled common men to elect their own representatives in that government

Again... YOU said "We The People ARE the Government!" I challenged that with the very source you cited, the Preamble of the Constitution. Now you are walking back your previous statement and admitting that it was flawed. Man established the Constitution which outlines the structure of the government.

No, the Constitution did not enable man... Men enabled the Constitution. Men are enabled by their Creator who endowed them with inalienable rights, including the right to self-govern.

You obviously have no clue as to what "We the People" entails
I never said We the People are the government....I said the Government is us. We the People created it, We the People elect the representatives, We the People fund it

"Men are enabled by their Creator who endowed them with inalienable rights, including the right to self-govern" This is from the Declaration of Independence not the Constitution

I didn't vote for any of the scumbags currently office, so how did I create it? Did I create Social Security, Medicare, Welfare? Nope.

We the People voted them in and support Social Security, Medicare and Welfare

You are welcome to run for office if you can get enough We the People to vote for you

Really? You voted for Roosevelt and all the other Democrat criminals who approved the world's biggest Ponzi scheme?

We the People could have dumped Social Security at any time over the last 75 years

But it seems We the People like it

 

[Billo_Really]

Just keep doing it! Dumbass. Lol.

Well, if it isn't the Green Bore-nut?

If you can't answer a simple question, then you're the dumbass!

 

[jon_berzerk]

...Cons say Obama doesn't deserve credit for cutting unemployment in have, because the government can't create jobs.

But now Jeb Bush is promising to create 19 million jobs. And Trump is promising to create the most jobs of any previous POTUS.

Hypocrisy IS the GOP.

of course the government creates jobs

many many needless jobs

which produce nothing more then a bureaucracy

 

[rightwinger]

...Cons say Obama doesn't deserve credit for cutting unemployment in have, because the government can't create jobs.

But now Jeb Bush is promising to create 19 million jobs. And Trump is promising to create the most jobs of any previous POTUS.

Hypocrisy IS the GOP.

of course the government creates jobs

many many needless jobs

which produce nothing more then a bureaucracy

Police, teachers, firemen, soldiers, engineers, scientists, doctors, lawyers....all useless