Could someone explain the point of issuing guidelines for re-opening the economy................

[berg80]

"That there is no coherent federal plan to deal with the outbreak as it currently stands is horrifying enough — an absolute evacuation of presidential leadership that has already cost thousands of lives and will likely cost tens of thousands more. But the fact that there is also no planning to speak of for how we might leave behind the present crisis means all we can see looking forward from the darkness — is more darkness."

The man with no plan | Press Watch

Trump and the Coronavirus

presswatchers.org

 

[berg80]

Stated another way, the plan is to default on public problem solving, and then prevent the public from understanding the consequences of that default. To succeed this will require one of the biggest propaganda and freedom of information fights in U.S. history, the execution of which will, I think, consume the president’s re-election campaign. So much has already been made public that the standard script for a White House cover up (worse than the crime…) won’t apply. Instead, everything will ride on the manufacture of confusion. The press won’t be able to “expose” the plot because it will all happen in stark daylight. The facts will be known, and simultaneously they will be inconceivable.
...................................................................................................................................
The epidemiological models under review in the White House Situation Room in late March were bracing. In a best-case scenario, they showed the novel coronavirus was likely to kill between 100,000 and 240,000 Americans. President Trump was apprehensive about so much carnage on his watch, yet also impatient to reopen the economy — and he wanted data to justify doing so.
So the White House considered its own analysis. A small team led by Kevin Hassett — a former chairman of Trump’s Council of Economic Advisers with no background in infectious diseases — quietly built an econometric model to guide response operations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/34-days-of-pandemic-inside-trumps-desperate-attempts-to-reopen-america/2020/05/02/e99911f4-8b54-11ea-9dfd-990f9dcc71fc_story.html

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"Trump’s normal sales pitch is to juxtapose his results against a horrific alternative. He routinely says that, had he not been elected, the economy would have collapsed, the U.S. would have gone to war with North Korea, and so on. Why, this time, did he establish a target he couldn’t meet? Indeed, why did he throw out numbers that were obviously going to be exceeded very quickly?

A chief culprit in the blunder turns out to be Kevin Hassett, the former chair of the Council of Economic Advisers. Despite having no expertise in epidemiology, Hassett designed his own model and “White House aides interpreted the analysis as predicting that the daily death count would peak in mid-April before dropping off substantially, and that there would be far fewer fatalities than initially foreseen,” reports the Washington Post."

Trump Got Dow 36,000 Author to Forecast the Coronavirus. It Didn’t Go Well.

Why did Trump keep citing impossibly low death totals? Kevin Hassett, who is neither a public-health expert nor a good economist, made a model.

nymag.com

 

[lennypartiv]

The epidemiological models under review in the White House Situation Room in late March were bracing. In a best-case scenario, they showed the novel coronavirus was likely to kill between 100,000 and 240,000 Americans. President Trump was apprehensive about so much carnage on his watch, yet also impatient to reopen the economy — and he wanted data to justify doing so.

We have to open the economy. Yes there is a health risk, but we cannot risk our economy taking another downturn.

 

[berg80]

Trump Admin Muzzles CDC’s Guidelines On Reopening State And Local Economies

Trump Admin Muzzles CDC’s Guidelines On Reopening State And Local Economies

President Donald Trump's administration shelved the Center for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) guidelines advising state and local leaders on how to reopen the economy amid the COVID-19…

talkingpointsmemo.com

"President Donald Trump’s administration shelved the Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) guidelines advising state and local leaders on how to reopen the economy amid the COVID-19 outbreak.

The document, titled “Guidance for Implementing the Opening Up America Again Framework,” was slated to be released on May 1. In it, the CDC reportedly lays out detailed recommendations on safely reopening churches, schools, restaurants and other establishments that hold many people at once.

But according to the Associated Press, the administration told CDC scientists that the guide “would never see the light of day.”

An unnamed source told the AP that White House officials see such guidance as a “slippery slope” given that COVID-19 does not impact every area of the U.S. equally."

 

[berg80]

WTF?

US shelves detailed guide to reopening country

Trump administration buries detailed CDC advice on reopening

GAINESVILLE, Fla. (AP) — The Trump administration shelved a document created by the nation's top disease investigators with step-by-step advice to local authorities on how and when to reopen restaurants and other public places during the still-raging coronavirus outbreak.

apnews.com

GAINESVILLE, Fla. (AP) — The Trump administration has shelved a document created by the nation’s top disease investigators with step-by-step advice to local authorities on how and when to reopen restaurants and other public places during the still-raging coronavirus outbreak.

The 17-page report by a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention team, titled “Guidance for Implementing the Opening Up America Again Framework,” was researched and written to help faith leaders, business owners, educators and state and local officials as they begin to reopen.

 

[kyzr]

OMG berg give it a rest already. Does constantly whining about Trump make you forget that your candidate is Joe Biden??

 

[Care4all]

when you stop working your hardest, to kill more people, we will stop.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Could someone explain the point of issuing guidelines for re-opening the economy................

Because politics.

Politics motivate everyone in DC.

If Trump does not "do something" about a pandemic, his political opponents will pounce. If Trump does not issue guidelines on how to re-open, political opponents will pounce.

Dems (Pelosi) say COVID-19 is no big deal ----> Media has experts say that COVID-19 is no big deal----> Trump says COVID-19 is no big deal ---> Dems pounce, change assessment, criticize.

Trump says we can't shut down the economy---->Dems pounce, say we must quarantine everyone immediately and forever -----> Media asks why Trump has done nothing and report the same ----> Trump shuts everything down ----> Dems pounce, point to Trump's economic record ----> Media has the fucking nerve to ask loaded questions about how Trump will re-evaluate his economic policies that have caused the current economic collapse

It's all about making Americans miserable and blaming the other guy while pilfering the treasury.

.

 

[jknowgood]

................when Trump has been encouraging states to ignore them almost from the start?

Combating COVID-19 | The White House

The Biden-Harris plan to beat COVID-19

www.whitehouse.gov

I believe it was around 24 hours after the release of the guidelines, which most states that are re-opening have not met Guidelines call for 14-day drop in cases to reopen. No state has met them.
when the Tweeter-in-Chief began to call for a certain number of states to "liberate" themselves.
Trump’s ‘LIBERATE MICHIGAN!’ tweets incite insurrection. That’s illegal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/17/liberate-michigan-trump-constitution/

Presumably, he meant liberate themselves from the guidelines his admin had issued.

He released a plan for re-opening the economy and immediately suggested nobody follow it. What's up with that?

My sense is it's an attempt to sow confusion about who is ultimately responsible for the increase in deaths the admin says is going to happen after re-opening occurs. Trump has thrown out the earlier estimate of 60-100K deaths and admitted it will be higher.

Trump says 'there'll be more death' from coronavirus, but reopening is worth it

Trump said reopening parts of the nation's economy now would inevitably cost some Americans their lives. But he argued that the benefits outweighed the costs, in an interview on ABC.

www.cnbc.com

Trying to assign responsibility will be like a game of pin the tail on the donkey (pun intended). Or really pin the tail on anyone but Trump, who famously said he accepts no responsibility for anything to do with the outbreak of COVID.

Cuz Don just wants to run a re-election campaign without being mired down by a discussion about the deaths of 70K Americans. Or the thousands to follow. He'd much prefer to talk about Old Joe, or the useless wall Mexico was going to pay for that he is taking money from other projects to build. Or how mean the press is to him. Or the fictitious deep state.

Anything but COVID. Basically his has been an exercise of escaping accountability for the disastrous, somewhat preventable outbreak in the US from the beginning. We certainly understand why. The government's response has been an ongoing abomination of mistakes both of omission and commission. Don, he wants to claim total authority over things...........just not when things go badly. For him, the buck stops anywhere but in the Oval Office.

 

[jknowgood]

To keep you liberals from whining.

I wonder, when you say things about "you liberals" you do know you're talking about a majority of Americans, right?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/cont...-3-2020/9ac3c026-f68c-4733-82a0-daa6862d99b3/

Trust me, you are a minority.

 

[whitehall]

We are under freaking house arrest, the economy is damaged almost beyond repair, (mostly) democrat governors are mad with power and threatening to arrest people for visiting relatives while releasing convicted felons, the top democrat in congress takes the media on a tour of her designer ice cream hoard and the crazy left wants to blame the President. No surprises here.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

................when Trump has been encouraging states to ignore them almost from the start?

Combating COVID-19 | The White House

The Biden-Harris plan to beat COVID-19

www.whitehouse.gov

I believe it was around 24 hours after the release of the guidelines, which most states that are re-opening have not met Guidelines call for 14-day drop in cases to reopen. No state has met them.
when the Tweeter-in-Chief began to call for a certain number of states to "liberate" themselves.
Trump’s ‘LIBERATE MICHIGAN!’ tweets incite insurrection. That’s illegal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/17/liberate-michigan-trump-constitution/

Presumably, he meant liberate themselves from the guidelines his admin had issued.

He released a plan for re-opening the economy and immediately suggested nobody follow it. What's up with that?

My sense is it's an attempt to sow confusion about who is ultimately responsible for the increase in deaths the admin says is going to happen after re-opening occurs. Trump has thrown out the earlier estimate of 60-100K deaths and admitted it will be higher.

Trump says 'there'll be more death' from coronavirus, but reopening is worth it

Trump said reopening parts of the nation's economy now would inevitably cost some Americans their lives. But he argued that the benefits outweighed the costs, in an interview on ABC.

www.cnbc.com

Trying to assign responsibility will be like a game of pin the tail on the donkey (pun intended). Or really pin the tail on anyone but Trump, who famously said he accepts no responsibility for anything to do with the outbreak of COVID.

Cuz Don just wants to run a re-election campaign without being mired down by a discussion about the deaths of 70K Americans. Or the thousands to follow. He'd much prefer to talk about Old Joe, or the useless wall Mexico was going to pay for that he is taking money from other projects to build. Or how mean the press is to him. Or the fictitious deep state.

Anything but COVID. Basically his has been an exercise of escaping accountability for the disastrous, somewhat preventable outbreak in the US from the beginning. We certainly understand why. The government's response has been an ongoing abomination of mistakes both of omission and commission. Don, he wants to claim total authority over things...........just not when things go badly. For him, the buck stops anywhere but in the Oval Office.

Can you explain why you sometimes post as berg and other times as BWK?

 

[jknowgood]

"That there is no coherent federal plan to deal with the outbreak as it currently stands is horrifying enough — an absolute evacuation of presidential leadership that has already cost thousands of lives and will likely cost tens of thousands more. But the fact that there is also no planning to speak of for how we might leave behind the present crisis means all we can see looking forward from the darkness — is more darkness."

The man with no plan | Press Watch

Trump and the Coronavirus

presswatchers.org

Right now the majority of deaths is in new York. So that means mostly liberals are dying, by a liberal dictator.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

To keep you liberals from whining.

I wonder, when you say things about "you liberals" you do know you're talking about a majority of Americans, right?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/cont...-3-2020/9ac3c026-f68c-4733-82a0-daa6862d99b3/

Trust me, you are a minority.

He is Chinese so really he is not.

 

[berg80]

Because politics.

Politics motivate everyone in DC.

If Trump does not "do something" about a pandemic, his political opponents will pounce. If Trump does not issue guidelines on how to re-open, political opponents will pounce.

I agree everything in DC typically is seen through a political lens. But..............

"Traditionally, it’s been the CDC’s role to give the public and local officials guidance and science-based information during public health crises. During this one, however, the CDC has not had a regular, pandemic-related news briefing in nearly two months. CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield has been a member of the White House coronavirus task force, but largely absent from public appearances.

The dearth of real-time, public information from the nation’s experts has struck many current and former government health officials as dangerous."

.............isn't it obvious the reason these guidelines are being rescinded and or ignored is because doing what the medical experts recommend isn't what Trump wants to see happen? He wants an economic rebound no matter the cost to human lives.

 

[jknowgood]

Because politics.

Politics motivate everyone in DC.

If Trump does not "do something" about a pandemic, his political opponents will pounce. If Trump does not issue guidelines on how to re-open, political opponents will pounce.

I agree everything in DC typically is seen through a political lens. But..............

"Traditionally, it’s been the CDC’s role to give the public and local officials guidance and science-based information during public health crises. During this one, however, the CDC has not had a regular, pandemic-related news briefing in nearly two months. CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield has been a member of the White House coronavirus task force, but largely absent from public appearances.

The dearth of real-time, public information from the nation’s experts has struck many current and former government health officials as dangerous."

.............isn't it obvious the reason these guidelines are being rescinded and or ignored is because doing what the medical experts recommend isn't what Trump wants to see happen? He wants an economic rebound no matter the cost to human lives.

The experts say 85,000 will die from the lockdown. By drug overdoses and suicides. You really don't care about anything. Only to get Trump, no matter how many die.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

To keep you liberals from whining.

I wonder, when you say things about "you liberals" you do know you're talking about a majority of Americans, right?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/cont...-3-2020/9ac3c026-f68c-4733-82a0-daa6862d99b3/

The majority of Americans are liberals, but you commies have hijacked the moniker.

Liberal:

Liberal:

Liberal:

Liberal:

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NOT Liberal:

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NOT Liberal:

NOT Liberal:

NOT Liberal:

<------YOU

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

To keep you liberals from whining.

I wonder, when you say things about "you liberals" you do know you're talking about a majority of Americans, right?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/cont...-3-2020/9ac3c026-f68c-4733-82a0-daa6862d99b3/

The majority of Americans are liberals, but you commies have hijacked the moniker.

Liberal:

Liberal:

Liberal:

Liberal:

Liberal:

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NOT Liberal:

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NOT Liberal:

NOT Liberal:

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<------YOU

Could be the post of the year!

 

[bendog]

Stated another way, the plan is to default on public problem solving, and then prevent the public from understanding the consequences of that default. To succeed this will require one of the biggest propaganda and freedom of information fights in U.S. history, the execution of which will, I think, consume the president’s re-election campaign. So much has already been made public that the standard script for a White House cover up (worse than the crime…) won’t apply. Instead, everything will ride on the manufacture of confusion. The press won’t be able to “expose” the plot because it will all happen in stark daylight. The facts will be known, and simultaneously they will be inconceivable.
...................................................................................................................................
The epidemiological models under review in the White House Situation Room in late March were bracing. In a best-case scenario, they showed the novel coronavirus was likely to kill between 100,000 and 240,000 Americans. President Trump was apprehensive about so much carnage on his watch, yet also impatient to reopen the economy — and he wanted data to justify doing so.
So the White House considered its own analysis. A small team led by Kevin Hassett — a former chairman of Trump’s Council of Economic Advisers with no background in infectious diseases — quietly built an econometric model to guide response operations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/34-days-of-pandemic-inside-trumps-desperate-attempts-to-reopen-america/2020/05/02/e99911f4-8b54-11ea-9dfd-990f9dcc71fc_story.html

............................................................................................................................................
"Trump’s normal sales pitch is to juxtapose his results against a horrific alternative. He routinely says that, had he not been elected, the economy would have collapsed, the U.S. would have gone to war with North Korea, and so on. Why, this time, did he establish a target he couldn’t meet? Indeed, why did he throw out numbers that were obviously going to be exceeded very quickly?

A chief culprit in the blunder turns out to be Kevin Hassett, the former chair of the Council of Economic Advisers. Despite having no expertise in epidemiology, Hassett designed his own model and “White House aides interpreted the analysis as predicting that the daily death count would peak in mid-April before dropping off substantially, and that there would be far fewer fatalities than initially foreseen,” reports the Washington Post."

Trump Got Dow 36,000 Author to Forecast the Coronavirus. It Didn’t Go Well.

Why did Trump keep citing impossibly low death totals? Kevin Hassett, who is neither a public-health expert nor a good economist, made a model.

nymag.com

The "plan" is simply to insure Trump cannot be blamed when the numbers of sick and dying "surge" after states reopen. And there will be increases. If Trump's admin chose to provide standard tests and treatment products, as other administrations have done, we could reduce those numbers, but any reopening will increase the numbers of people infected. But with guidelines or even treatments, Trump would be blamed for any ineffectiveness

 

[Olde Europe]

There is going to be an inevitable bill for opening up too early to be paid in form of surging infections and death counts. We already know the White House's own models show as much. Anyone willing to bet against the White House pointing to the CDC guidance not being followed by State Governors, while assuming no responsibility for anything? That's what the CDC guidance is for.

Of course, the shut-down will cause lasting damage to the economy, businesses failing and jobs being eradicated at a staggering rate. Opening up and the inevitable surge of infections is likely going to overwhelm the healthcare system, and to destroy the economy even more, since even consumers with money will restrict their purchases to the bare minimum to avoid infections. What's lying ahead is likely the worst of all worlds.

Also keep in mind, the 7-day-average of new confirmed infections per day is still above 25,000, pointing to stubborn community spread to the tune of about 100,000 - PER DAY. That's just slightly down from the peak 31k. The next exponential outbreak, in case social distancing isn't meticulously followed, will not start from a few dozen cases - it will start from hundreds of thousands of carriers unaware they are infected.