D-Tlaib: ""There’s always kind of a calming feeling, I tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust"

[Slade3200]

I don’t care much about whatever cherry picked situations you’ve experienced, you don’t define the masses by the actions of a few. It’s a simple rule

wrong again----my experience with "MUSLIM EDUCATION" thruout the world is extensive-----based on candid conversation with
hundreds of its victims and lots of their very own writings over a bit more than 50 years. No 'cherry picking' All of science is based on STATS --------ask any physicist
Science is actually the art of PREDICTION------more than 50 years ago-----I PREDICTED ----after a visit to a mosque as a guest
-----a few of these kids are going to kill when they grow up

I can’t debate with this kind of stupid. Bad apples exist in every religion, culture and society. We don’t judge the masses by the actions of a few.

what are you talking about? I did not allude to "actions of a few"
or "bad apples" or ANY JUDGEMENT OF MASSES. I spoke
of CULTURE AND EDUCATION Do you know any muslims
well? Do you know any people who lived in MUSLIM COUNTRIES? -----did the events of 9-11-01 SURPRISE
YOU ?

Yes, my old roommate and business partner was from Pakistan. I know several other Muslims who are great people. I’ve spent time in Istanbul. I can easily separate normal Muslims from jihadists and terrorists who warp the religion to justify their violence. It’s a shame you can’t.

excellent example----I have had lots of close friends from both
Pakistan and India. In fact the two docs who hosted me at a mosque -50 years ago-----were --one from India and one from Pakistan.
As to Turkey----I have relatives thru marriage born in Turkey and also
a few colleagues---both Muslim and Christian from Turkey. Ever have a CANDID conversation as to actual BELIEFS or education
with ANYONE?. "warp the religion" ??? Ever know anyone
who lived in a REAL MUSLIM COUNTRY as a real muslim or non-muslim? -----under real shariah?---
not "warped shariah"-------real shariah? What are you calling
"warp the religion" ? Is the religion WARPED by the
Pakistani government? Did your Pakistani business partner
complain to you that his education in Pakistan was "warped"?

Yes I have had many in depth conversations about their education and religion and nobody I’ve ever encountered stands behind the violence that terrorist commit. The Bible has it’s “eye for an eye” type passages but most Christians don’t take that stuff literally, as such, the Muslims that I’ve encounter have expressed the same interpretations of their religion and focus on the more positive elements.

Furthermore, I don’t see how you think it’s productive to demonize a religion that over a billion people believe in. All your doing is insulting and dividing a large segment of people. That’s not how positive change is initiated. Creating bonds, understanding, cooperatives based on common goals is how that stuff is done.

What’s your end game?

 

[Slade3200]

No one has to twist her words into something they aren't. She does an extremely fine job of giving a revisionist history account where Palestinians welcomed the Jews and worked hard to carve out a safe haven for them ...

Sounds like a Norman Al-Hassan-Hussein Rockwell Painting...

Except the truth is the man she revered as a hero went to Hitler, sided with him, and contributed in the Halaucist against the Jews.

You’re right, nobody has to twist her words, theres enough to critique by taking an honest look at her statement... yet you still do twist and spin what she says. The title of your OP says it all. Do better

I read slut rashida's WHOLE STATEMENT------it stinks ---
unfortunately it is based on the shit muslims world over
lick off the mosque floors--------during the weekly
Khutbah Jumaat feces fling

I am fascinated with "SLADE" 's evaluation of my post as
"funny" slade, dear-----what is "funny" about it?

I find it amusing when people let emotion trump logic

It’s the liberal national platform

It’s at the top of both platforms

 

[Slade3200]

She was talking about a personal calming feeling not her calm people. Same as saying “I was assured of...” “I felt good about...” etc. Are you really not understanding or are you just doing a piss poor spin job?

She was talking about a personal calming feeling not her calm people.

Fine. Why did she have her calm feeling? Because the Jews were finally safe?

Are you really not understanding

I'm really not understanding what she was trying to say.

Simply stated, she felt good about how her people helped the Jews during the holocaust. That was her intended message. Now take issue with the historical accuracy of what she said about that whole situation, that’s fine. But don’t try and say she felt calm about the holocaust. That’s a lie and we all know it.

She said the Holocaust was "horrific",
but "felt calming" about her own folk taking an active part and trying to finish what Nazis couldn't?

That's total moral degradation and corruption, and You're insulting everyone's intelligence by trying to excuse her open racism as virtue.

I’m insulting everybody’s intelligence who claims she said she felt calmed by the holocaust like many are. I’m fine with you taking issue about any false historical claims but that’s besides my point. I’m not making any excuses for her, just looking for honest conversation

That's the thing, You're still doing the act pretending it wasn't a Freudian slip..
What You're trying to portray as "beyond the point" is exactly what makes it even more shockingly vile exactly in that context You try to disconnect from what she said.

I don't see in the Arab attempt against the survivors, to finish what they didn't mange during the Holocaust in a joint effort as anything less than one and the same act, and nothing she ever utters in this relation has been anything but a cover and normalization of an attempted genocide against a minority.

I don’t presume to know what history she was taught, but my instincts would be to question, listen and debate when it comes to historical inaccuracies that differ from what I’ve learned. That’s how conversations should take place. And she should be challenged about what she said. But when the reaction is “she said she was calmed by the holocaust” that’s a straight up distortion of what she said aimed to grow hatred and used to be a political hit job and click bait.

 

[busybee01]

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What an imbecile you are. The very same Democrat leadership you claim is defending her comments, and Omar's, actually passed a resolution recently, condemning recent anti-Semitic comments made by Omar.

That's a lie.

dimocrap scum watered it down to condemn all 'hateful' comments, leaving the representative from D-Shutzstaffel out of it.

What a liar you are.

But, you're a dimocrap scumbag

par for the course, lying scumbag

McCarthy: GOP frustrated that Dems 'watered down' anti-Semitism resolution - CNNPolitics

Draft text of the resolution was originally written to focus specifically on condemning anti-Semitism, but Democrats later changed the language to make the measure into a much broader condemnation of hate and intolerance of all kinds.

How horrible speaking out against all forms of hate and intolerance like that of Stephen King. His spewing of hateful rhetoric is okay.

you think that the term "DUALIE" represents "hateful rhetoric"?

King is a racist. He should be kicked out of Congress.

yes he is------as is rashida

Hardly. Her criticism of Israel does not make one a anti-Semite. You would like to use that to shut down any debate on Israel. That is not how it works.

It seems that the Israelis are trying to get us involved in a war against Iran. They clearly are playing us to take care of their enemies.

 

[rylah]

She was talking about a personal calming feeling not her calm people.

Fine. Why did she have her calm feeling? Because the Jews were finally safe?

Are you really not understanding

I'm really not understanding what she was trying to say.

Simply stated, she felt good about how her people helped the Jews during the holocaust. That was her intended message. Now take issue with the historical accuracy of what she said about that whole situation, that’s fine. But don’t try and say she felt calm about the holocaust. That’s a lie and we all know it.

She said the Holocaust was "horrific",
but "felt calming" about her own folk taking an active part and trying to finish what Nazis couldn't?

That's total moral degradation and corruption, and You're insulting everyone's intelligence by trying to excuse her open racism as virtue.

I’m insulting everybody’s intelligence who claims she said she felt calmed by the holocaust like many are. I’m fine with you taking issue about any false historical claims but that’s besides my point. I’m not making any excuses for her, just looking for honest conversation

That's the thing, You're still doing the act pretending it wasn't a Freudian slip..
What You're trying to portray as "beyond the point" is exactly what makes it even more shockingly vile exactly in that context You try to disconnect from what she said.

I don't see in the Arab attempt against the survivors, to finish what they didn't mange during the Holocaust in a joint effort as anything less than one and the same act, and nothing she ever utters in this relation has been anything but a cover and normalization of an attempted genocide against a minority.

I don’t presume to know what history she was taught, but my instincts would be to question, listen and debate when it comes to historical inaccuracies that differ from what I’ve learned. That’s how conversations should take place. And she should be challenged about what she said. But when the reaction is “she said she was calmed by the holocaust” that’s a straight up distortion of what she said aimed to grow hatred and used to be a political hit job and click bait.

No she basically said she was calmed by the idea it were her ancestors who failed to finish the Holocaust survivors during and right after. What a generosity those Nazi's demonstrate by failing, .real good deed on their part, 'safe haven', right?

Her Freoudian slip just couldn't be more vile degradation of truth, and many say outright Holocaust support,
and spread of racist blood libel against the targeted minority for genocide..

 

[toomuchtime_]

There’s always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s passports. And just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away and it was forced on them.

(Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib)




Shall I make the lie larger, or do you get it?


BTW.....is she a Democrat in good standing?

Is she an anti-Semite?

Why are you avoiding the question? It’s very simple. Do you think she said the holocaust gave her a calming effect? Yes or No

Of course she did and the fact that she added on a lie about the Arabs giving safe refuge to Jews put an exclamation point on it. However, Tlaib is just another ignorant bigot, what's really troubling is that because of the Democrats' embrace of Identity politics, valuing who someone is above what they say or do, Tlaib and Omar will be protected by the leadership no matter how racist or evil their statements are.

No she didn’t answer my question, she jumped to the false historical claim which is valid criticism but not my point. My gripe is with the low life spinners like the OP trying to dishonestly claim she said the holocaust calms her.

lol "There's always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust". Just what is it about the Holocaust that you imagine give her a calming feeling? Do you think she is calmed by the claim that "her people" lost everything because of the Holocaust? Obviously, she is still smoldering with hate over Holocaust Remembrance Day, which she references by saying she celebrated it and then corrects herself, and took the opportunity to sat the Holocaust was a great tragedy for her people. Which part do you imagine had a calming effect on her, her "celebration" of Holocaust Remembrance Day or her belief "her people" last everything because of the Holocaust.

Stop being such a tool. The only reason the Democratic leadership is trying to defend her indefensible remarks is because she and Omar are protected by the Congressional Black Caucus, and to condemn her hateful remarks would split the Party.

If you can’t understand simple English then I can’t help ya. Most on the right have fessed up to the fact she wasn’t talking about the holocaust, but the hacks like yourself still holding on to a warped interpretation are only making yourselves look like fools

So you've got nothing to offer but personal insults.

 

[WillMunny]

That's really interesting, because this non-religious American got a "calming feeling" when that Aussie hero wiped out 50 muslim diseasebags in Christchurch. Because it does reduce the amount of 60-generation first-cousin INBREDS contaminating the human gene pool, as muslim walking fungus infections are.

When I think of Pisslam, I'm reminded of Star Trek's android Data facing an evil alien entity (which looks like a giant oil-slick) and he says, "Fascinating. You are a lifeform with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Logically, I believe you should be destroyed." Well guess what, in real life I have the same attitude towards the most DEMONSTRABLY VIOLENT religious hate ideology on this planet.

 

[toomuchtime_]

There’s always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s passports. And just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away and it was forced on them.

(Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib)




Shall I make the lie larger, or do you get it?


BTW.....is she a Democrat in good standing?

Is she an anti-Semite?

Why are you avoiding the question? It’s very simple. Do you think she said the holocaust gave her a calming effect? Yes or No

Of course she did and the fact that she added on a lie about the Arabs giving safe refuge to Jews put an exclamation point on it. However, Tlaib is just another ignorant bigot, what's really troubling is that because of the Democrats' embrace of Identity politics, valuing who someone is above what they say or do, Tlaib and Omar will be protected by the leadership no matter how racist or evil their statements are.

No she didn’t answer my question, she jumped to the false historical claim which is valid criticism but not my point. My gripe is with the low life spinners like the OP trying to dishonestly claim she said the holocaust calms her.

lol "There's always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust". Just what is it about the Holocaust that you imagine give her a calming feeling? Do you think she is calmed by the claim that "her people" lost everything because of the Holocaust? Obviously, she is still smoldering with hate over Holocaust Remembrance Day, which she references by saying she celebrated it and then corrects herself, and took the opportunity to sat the Holocaust was a great tragedy for her people. Which part do you imagine had a calming effect on her, her "celebration" of Holocaust Remembrance Day or her belief "her people" last everything because of the Holocaust.

Stop being such a tool. The only reason the Democratic leadership is trying to defend her indefensible remarks is because she and Omar are protected by the Congressional Black Caucus, and to condemn her hateful remarks would split the Party.

LOL

What an imbecile you are. The very same Democrat leadership you claim is defending her comments, and Omar's, actually passed a resolution recently, condemning recent anti-Semitic comments made by Omar.

lol Idiot, Pelosi tried to pass such a resolution, but the Congressional Black Caucus threatened to oppose it if she put it up for a vote, so instead she offered a resolution that opposed all hate speech without referring to Omar. Later, Pelosi said she didn't think Omar was an antisemite. Under pressure from the Congressional Black Caucus and others on the left, the leadership of the Democratic Party has now fully endorsed anti semitism and your pathetic efforts to explain away Tlaib anti semitism is further proof of it.

 

[Faun]

That's really interesting, because this non-religious American got a "calming feeling" when that Aussie hero wiped out 50 muslim diseasebags in Christchurch. Because it does reduce the amount of 60-generation first-cousin INBREDS contaminating the human gene pool, as muslim walking fungus infections are.

When I think of Pisslam, I'm reminded of Star Trek's android Data facing an evil alien entity (which looks like a giant oil-slick) and he says, "Fascinating. You are a lifeform with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Logically, I believe you should be destroyed." Well guess what, in real life I have the same attitude towards the most DEMONSTRABLY VIOLENT religious hate ideology on this planet.

The dark, deranged ramblings of maniacal Republicans never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Faun]

Why are you avoiding the question? It’s very simple. Do you think she said the holocaust gave her a calming effect? Yes or No

Of course she did and the fact that she added on a lie about the Arabs giving safe refuge to Jews put an exclamation point on it. However, Tlaib is just another ignorant bigot, what's really troubling is that because of the Democrats' embrace of Identity politics, valuing who someone is above what they say or do, Tlaib and Omar will be protected by the leadership no matter how racist or evil their statements are.

No she didn’t answer my question, she jumped to the false historical claim which is valid criticism but not my point. My gripe is with the low life spinners like the OP trying to dishonestly claim she said the holocaust calms her.

lol "There's always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust". Just what is it about the Holocaust that you imagine give her a calming feeling? Do you think she is calmed by the claim that "her people" lost everything because of the Holocaust? Obviously, she is still smoldering with hate over Holocaust Remembrance Day, which she references by saying she celebrated it and then corrects herself, and took the opportunity to sat the Holocaust was a great tragedy for her people. Which part do you imagine had a calming effect on her, her "celebration" of Holocaust Remembrance Day or her belief "her people" last everything because of the Holocaust.

Stop being such a tool. The only reason the Democratic leadership is trying to defend her indefensible remarks is because she and Omar are protected by the Congressional Black Caucus, and to condemn her hateful remarks would split the Party.

LOL

What an imbecile you are. The very same Democrat leadership you claim is defending her comments, and Omar's, actually passed a resolution recently, condemning recent anti-Semitic comments made by Omar.

lol Idiot, Pelosi tried to pass such a resolution, but the Congressional Black Caucus threatened to oppose it if she put it up for a vote, so instead she offered a resolution that opposed all hate speech without referring to Omar. Later, Pelosi said she didn't think Omar was an antisemite. Under pressure from the Congressional Black Caucus and others on the left, the leadership of the Democratic Party has now fully endorsed anti semitism and your pathetic efforts to explain away Tlaib anti semitism is further proof of it.

LOLOL

Imbecile, I already posted Omar's anti-Semitic remarks AND the resolution the House did pass to show Omar's anti-Semitic remarks were condemned and rejected.

Denying that only serves to make you appear even dumber than you appeared before.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Of course she did and the fact that she added on a lie about the Arabs giving safe refuge to Jews put an exclamation point on it. However, Tlaib is just another ignorant bigot, what's really troubling is that because of the Democrats' embrace of Identity politics, valuing who someone is above what they say or do, Tlaib and Omar will be protected by the leadership no matter how racist or evil their statements are.

No she didn’t answer my question, she jumped to the false historical claim which is valid criticism but not my point. My gripe is with the low life spinners like the OP trying to dishonestly claim she said the holocaust calms her.

lol "There's always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust". Just what is it about the Holocaust that you imagine give her a calming feeling? Do you think she is calmed by the claim that "her people" lost everything because of the Holocaust? Obviously, she is still smoldering with hate over Holocaust Remembrance Day, which she references by saying she celebrated it and then corrects herself, and took the opportunity to sat the Holocaust was a great tragedy for her people. Which part do you imagine had a calming effect on her, her "celebration" of Holocaust Remembrance Day or her belief "her people" last everything because of the Holocaust.

Stop being such a tool. The only reason the Democratic leadership is trying to defend her indefensible remarks is because she and Omar are protected by the Congressional Black Caucus, and to condemn her hateful remarks would split the Party.

LOL

What an imbecile you are. The very same Democrat leadership you claim is defending her comments, and Omar's, actually passed a resolution recently, condemning recent anti-Semitic comments made by Omar.

lol Idiot, Pelosi tried to pass such a resolution, but the Congressional Black Caucus threatened to oppose it if she put it up for a vote, so instead she offered a resolution that opposed all hate speech without referring to Omar. Later, Pelosi said she didn't think Omar was an antisemite. Under pressure from the Congressional Black Caucus and others on the left, the leadership of the Democratic Party has now fully endorsed anti semitism and your pathetic efforts to explain away Tlaib anti semitism is further proof of it.

LOLOL

Imbecile, I already posted Omar's anti-Semitic remarks AND the resolution the House did pass to show Omar's anti-Semitic remarks were condemned and rejected.

Denying that only serves to make you appear even dumber than you appeared before.

It's always hard to tell if you are as stupid as you seem or just a liar. No resolution passed that referred to Omar's anti semitic statements.

 

[Likkmee]

I get all teary eyed when homeless puppies get put down.
They never even offered credit.

 

[Slade3200]

Simply stated, she felt good about how her people helped the Jews during the holocaust. That was her intended message. Now take issue with the historical accuracy of what she said about that whole situation, that’s fine. But don’t try and say she felt calm about the holocaust. That’s a lie and we all know it.

She said the Holocaust was "horrific",
but "felt calming" about her own folk taking an active part and trying to finish what Nazis couldn't?

That's total moral degradation and corruption, and You're insulting everyone's intelligence by trying to excuse her open racism as virtue.

I’m insulting everybody’s intelligence who claims she said she felt calmed by the holocaust like many are. I’m fine with you taking issue about any false historical claims but that’s besides my point. I’m not making any excuses for her, just looking for honest conversation

That's the thing, You're still doing the act pretending it wasn't a Freudian slip..
What You're trying to portray as "beyond the point" is exactly what makes it even more shockingly vile exactly in that context You try to disconnect from what she said.

I don't see in the Arab attempt against the survivors, to finish what they didn't mange during the Holocaust in a joint effort as anything less than one and the same act, and nothing she ever utters in this relation has been anything but a cover and normalization of an attempted genocide against a minority.

I don’t presume to know what history she was taught, but my instincts would be to question, listen and debate when it comes to historical inaccuracies that differ from what I’ve learned. That’s how conversations should take place. And she should be challenged about what she said. But when the reaction is “she said she was calmed by the holocaust” that’s a straight up distortion of what she said aimed to grow hatred and used to be a political hit job and click bait.

No she basically said she was calmed by the idea it were her ancestors who failed to finish the Holocaust survivors during and right after. What a generosity those Nazi's demonstrate by failing, .real good deed on their part, 'safe haven', right?

Her Freoudian slip just couldn't be more vile degradation of truth, and many say outright Holocaust support,
and spread of racist blood libel against the targeted minority for genocide..

“She basically said... Freudian slip...”????? come on, grow up

 

[WEATHER53]

You’re right, nobody has to twist her words, theres enough to critique by taking an honest look at her statement... yet you still do twist and spin what she says. The title of your OP says it all. Do better

I read slut rashida's WHOLE STATEMENT------it stinks ---
unfortunately it is based on the shit muslims world over
lick off the mosque floors--------during the weekly
Khutbah Jumaat feces fling

I am fascinated with "SLADE" 's evaluation of my post as
"funny" slade, dear-----what is "funny" about it?

I find it amusing when people let emotion trump logic

It’s the liberal national platform

It’s at the top of both platforms

See, once again, taking some one else’s words and applying it to suit yourself shows an inability to form your own thoughts. That because you can’t think but can emote.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

That's really interesting, because this non-religious American got a "calming feeling" when that Aussie hero wiped out 50 muslim diseasebags in Christchurch. Because it does reduce the amount of 60-generation first-cousin INBREDS contaminating the human gene pool, as muslim walking fungus infections are.

When I think of Pisslam, I'm reminded of Star Trek's android Data facing an evil alien entity (which looks like a giant oil-slick) and he says, "Fascinating. You are a lifeform with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Logically, I believe you should be destroyed." Well guess what, in real life I have the same attitude towards the most DEMONSTRABLY VIOLENT religious hate ideology on this planet.

You seem like a violent predator, and a Zionist Neocon too, surprise, surprise.

 

[WEATHER53]

Calming feeling thinking about all the Palestinians did for the Jews yet it was the Palestinians who had to face the lack of appreciation from the Jews.
I’m not sure but lack of gratitude probably is better than ovens.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Imagine if Trump said, "When I think of the Parkland school shooting, I get a calming feeling"? Or, "when I think of all the gays killed in the Orlando gay club shooting, I experience kind of a calming feeling."

Tlaib needs to be expelled from the House.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Imagine if Trump said, "When I think of the Parkland school shooting, I get a calming feeling"? Or, "when I think of all the gays killed in the Orlando gay club shooting, I experience kind of a calming feeling."

Tlaib needs to be expelled from the House.

She has the full support of the Congressional Black Caucus so the Democratic leadership has no choice but to support anything she says.

 

[TrueTT]

The Jews did not buy all of the lands they currently own- or what was to be apportioned to them as part of the British Mandate.

Just look at the map of the partition plan in 1947 and then compare it to the Israeli map at the point of then 1949 Armistice.

The Jews should’ve taken all of it- not because they bought it. But because as Jews they have the legitimate rights as indigenous peoples to the land of Israel. From the river to the sea.

Let's check:


One would expect to see commonplace examples of Jews stealing, strong-arming, swindling, blackmailing; basically resorting to any trick up their sleeve to pry land out of Arab hands. In reality, the Jewish technique of accumulating land was simple ... they bought it. Both the concern and the complaints of Jews dispossessing Arabs centered on how much land the Jews were purchasing, not stealing, from land owners:

• The British investigation into the Arab riots during 1936-39 identifies "Arab alarm at the continued Jewish purchase of land"1, not Jewish theft of land, as one of the motivating factors.

• "Conversely, the main Ottoman and Arab complaint against the Zionists was about land sales..."2

• "Meanwhile, Jewish land purchase continued apace, exacerbating Palestinian disquiet."3

• "Arab discontent on account of Jewish immigration and the sale of lands to Jews which has been a permanent feature of political opinion in Palestine for the past ten years, began to show signs of renewed activity from the beginning of 1933, developing in intensity until it reached a climax in the riots of October and November."4

• "In the beginning of the 1930s, the national value of the land and its transfer from one people to the other became one of the main issues in the political conflict between the two communities. The Arabs insisted that His Majesty's Government put an end to land purchase by the Jews, claiming that it threatened their national existence."5

• "Though they had profited from the enhanced trade and employment opportunities generated by the new Jewish settlements, Palestinian Arabs had grown increasingly concerned about the rise of Jewish immigration and land purchases."

6

• "An article published in July 1911 by Mustafa Effendi Tamr, a teacher of mathematics at a Jerusalem school" reads, "You are selling the property of your fathers and grandfathers for a pittance to people who will have no pity on you, to those who will act to expel you and expunge your memory from your habitations and disperse you among the nations. This is a crime that will be recorded in your names in history, a black stain and disgrace that your descendants will bear, which will not be expunged even after years and eras have gone by. ... Opposition to land sales was one of the principal focal points around which the Arab national idea in Palestine coalesced."

7

• "Of course, the Zionists bought the land from Arab landholders, who moved to cities or even left the country. They were all too willing to sell, for the price paid by the purchasers was often many times more than anyone else would or could pay."

32

• King Abdallah of Jordan complains several times in his memoirs about Jews acquiring land in Palestine. Not once does he accuse the Jews of stealing it from the Arabs. Each time he mentions it, the complaint is how much land they are buying:
  • "... the fears of the Arab political leaders are supported by the fact that the sale of land continues unrestricted and every day one piece of land after another is torn from the hands of the Arabs.

8

• "According to my information the Jews have requested the continuance of the mandate so that they can buy up more land and bring in additional immigrants. No other country has gone through such a trial as Palestine."

9

• "Or are you among those who believe that there is no harm in continuing the present deleterious mandate despite the Jewish usurpers it has brought and despite the demonstrated inability of those Palestinians now at the political helm to prevent their compatriots from selling their land? Furthermore, it is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping."

10

• "‘Know each of you that in the end every Arab who sells land of the Arab patrimony or who pimps for the Jews will soon receive his due, which is certain death.’ The placards were signed by an organization calling itself ‘Revenge.’ ‘Our problem is the outcome of the sale of our land. The amazing thing is that we sell to the Jews and then scream and wail and ask for the government’s help,’"11

• "The land policy of the Zionist movement in the pre-state era was based on purchase of land on the open market by Jewish institutions (mainly the JNF) and subsequent freezing of the ownership so as to ensure that the purchased land would be in Jewish hands in perpetuity."33

Not only was the land being legally purchased, it was being purchased at drastically inflated prices. Arab land owners were making a killing selling their land during the waves of Jewish immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Despite the animosity against selling land to Jews coming from elitist Arabs, it simply made good economic sense for landlords to sell while they could exploit the thriving market Jewish demand was creating. Sometimes the land being purchased was nothing more than sand dune, malarial swamps and marshes, or other unattractive plots of waste. Even so, it was payday for many landlords; a day many hadn't seen in a long time and one that wouldn't come again:

• "Until 1936 ... the Jews acquired about 25,000 dunam in the Beit-Shean Valley ... The soil was of the poorest quality, in scattered parcels of land, and it was impossible to establish even one settlement on it. The Jewish purchasers paid the full price for these lands; in addition the Government compelled them to cover all the outstanding debts that the sellers had accumulated. (In most cases not one penny of these bad debts had been paid for years.)"12

• "The Jewish authorities have nothing with which to reproach themselves in the matter of the Sursock lands. They paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay."13

• "He [the Arab] may sell his land for a fantastic price and add to the congestion in the other zones by moving there. An Arab living a short distance away, just across the zone boundary, cannot obtain anything approximating the same sum for land of equal quality.”14

• "The Jews were paying exorbitant prices to wealthy landowners for small tracts of arid land. “In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semiarid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre."15

• "The settlers were ready to pay much more than the economic value of the land. The same or better land is available a few kilometers to the east or north of the Palestine frontiers at one tenth or less of the Palestinian price."16

• “Between 1880 and 1914 over sixty thousand Jews entered Palestine … Many settled on wasteland, sand-dunes and malarial marsh, which they then drained, irrigated and farmed. In 1909 a group of Jews founded the first entirely Jewish town, Tel Aviv, on the sandhills north of Jaffa. The Jews purchased their land piecemeal, from European, Turkish and (principally) Arab landlords, mostly at extremely high prices.”17

• “By 1925 over 2,600 Jews had settled in the [Jezreel] valley, and 3,000 acres of barren hillside had been afforested. This previously uncultivated land, bought at highly inflated prices, became the pattern of all subsequent Jewish National Fund settlements in Palestine.”18

• "In his 'note of reservations' to the Report of the Woodhead Commission, Sir Alison Russel says: 'It does not appear to me that to permit an Arab to sell his land for three or four times its value, and to go with the money to a different part of the Arab world where land is cheap, can be said to "prejudice" his rights and position.'"19

• "The average price paid by Jews for the rural land they bought in Palestine during 1944 amounted to over $1000 per acre or about $250 per dunam (including the value of buildings, orchards and other improvements). These prices are, of course, highly inflated …"20

• "... land brokers sometimes purchased their shares or parcels at a very low price and sold them at ten and twenty multiples to Jewish buyers. Peasants who were in musha' villages were particularly incensed at landlords, land brokers, or agents after learning that they had been swindled."21

• "Aharon Danin of KKL told of an interesting conversation he had at the beginning of the 1940s with Khaled Zu’bi (brother of Sayf al-Din), who helped him buy land in the Zu’biyya villages east of Nazareth: He [Zu’bi] said, ‘Look, who knows better than me that your work is pure. You pay money for everything, top dollar, many times more than what the land is worth. But that doesn’t change the fact that you are dispossessing us. You are dispossessing us with money, not by force, but the fact is that we are leaving the land.’ I say to him: ‘You are from this Zu’biyya tribe which is located here, in Transjordan, and in Syria, what difference does it make to you where you are, if you are here or if you and your family are there? …’ He said: ‘It’s hard for me to tell you, but in any case the graves of my forefathers are here. I feel that we are leaving this place. It’s our fault and not yours.’"30

Footnotes:
1 Great Britain, and William Robert Wellesley Peel Peel. Palestine Royal Commission Report. London: H.M. Stationery Office, 1937.
2 Western Imperialism in the Middle East 1914 - 1958 by D. K. Fieldhouse, Pg. 125
3 Palestine and Israel: The Uprising and Beyond by David McDowall, Pg. 23
4 Report by His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of the Administration of Palestine and Trans-Jordan, 31 December 1933
5 "The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine" by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 199.
6 Oren, Michael. Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East, 1776 to the PresentPg. 368
7 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 45
8 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pg. 81. In a letter written to the High Commissioner for Transjordan, Sir Arthur Wauchope on July 25, 1934.
9 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pg. 88. In a letter written to 'Abd al-Hamid Sa'id on June 5, 1938.
10 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pp. 88-89. In a letter written to 'Abd al-Hamid Sa'id on June 5, 1938.
11 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 219-220.
12 Avneri, Aryeh L. The Claim of Dispossession: Jewish Land-Settlement and the Arabs 1878-1948. Efal, Israel: Yad Tabenkin, 1982. 168.
13 Hope Simpson Report, Pg. 51
14 Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, Chapter I
15 Bard, Mitchell G. Myths and Facts: A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict. 2006. 19.
16 Jewish Colonisataion and Arab Development in Palestine by David Horowitz, Central Zionist Archives, Record Group S90/File 76, 7 October 1945
17 Gilbert, Martin, and Martin Gilbert. The Routledge Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. London: Routledge, 2002. 3.
18 Gilbert, Martin, and Martin Gilbert. The Routledge Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. London: Routledge, 2002. 12.
19 Schechtman, Joseph B. Population Transfers in Asia. New York: Hallsby Press, 1949. 101
20 Schechtman, Joseph B. Population Transfers in Asia. New York: Hallsby Press, 1949. 112
21 Stein, Kenneth W. One Hundred Years of Social Change: The Creation of the Palestinian Refugee Problem. 1991.
22 Stein, Kenneth W. One Hundred Years of Social Change: The Creation of the Palestinian Refugee Problem. 1991.
23 Report by His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of the Administration of Palestine and Trans-Jordan, 31 December 1933
24 The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 197.
25 The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 215.
26 Morris, Benny. 1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War. New Haven [Conn.]: Yale University Press, 2008 14
27 Morris, Benny. 1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War. New Haven [Conn.]: Yale University Press, 2008 83
28 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 225.
29 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 173.
30 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 200.


Middle East Piece - Jewish Land Purchase and Dispossession

You just completely disregarded what I stated regarding the 1948 war lol.

Everything you've said....err, linked.... is true.

It's also true that Israel acquired more land than what was apportioned to them (and rightfully so) during the first Arab-Israeli war.

Israeli soldiers displayed indefatigability of the highest order in the face of a multi-pronged Arab assault. Brilliant tactics, logistics command, military planning and navigation of the terrain despite having only arrived there in a matter of a few decades.

I am here to shout down the pro-Palestinian/Arab/Muslim propagandists who want to claim that all of that is somehow moral or sinful.

"... land than what was apportioned to them..."


The King of Jordan says they purchased it.



BTW....I've been to both Israel and Jordan. Same land....but what each has done with it is dramatic.

They purchased significant portions of it, yes. Others was subsumed upon military victories.

I’ve been to Israel, Jordan, the West Bank and Lebanon and I agree with you.

"Jews Legally Purchased ‘Palestinian’ Land Before The Holocaust. Rashida Lied.

In the 1800s, Jewish zionists, which are diaspora Jews who wanted to return to their biblical homeland, started buying land in the region of Palestine, which belonged to the Ottoman Empire (the Turks). The Empire made these land purchases very difficult, discriminatorily restricting Jews’ ability to purchase land in the region as much as they could through legislation. By the 1900s, land purchase became easier and Zionists accelerated their land purchases of the Turk-controlled land.

According to the Ottoman census of 1875, Jews constituted a majority of the population of Jerusalem. By 1905, they comprised two-thirds of Jerusalem. The Encyclopedia Britannica of 1910 stated Jerusalem’s population as 60,000, of which 40,000 were Jews. The population of both Jews and Christians surpassed that of Muslims in Jerusalem by the start of the twentieth century.

After WWI, the Ottoman Empire was no more, and the British took control of the land known as Palestine. The 1917 Balfour Declarationhad declared Great Britain’s support for the establishment of Jewish sovereignty in Palestine, in recognition of the ancient Jewish claim and connection to the land of Israel, describing this land as the “national home for the Jewish people.” The League of Nations (predecessor the the UN) unanimously adopted the British Mandate in 1922, overturning Ottoman-era restrictions and creating a legal right for Jewish people to settle anywhere between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

Meanwhile in the early 1900’s in Europe, pogroms began. These were public lynchings of Jews and burnings of Jewish homes, businesses, schools, and places of worship. The Holocaust followed after WWII began in 1939. By 1945, six million Jewish people were murdered. The scale of the eradication was unprecedented. Consider a single weekend in Ukraine in 1941, in which 33,771 children, women, men, and elders were shot dead because they were born of “Jewish blood.”


This type of history revisionism is part of the Palestinian propaganda movement. Palestinian propaganda includes revisionist history, brainwashing children, “pallywood” distortions, manipulation of leftist politics, calls to Jihad, and manipulation of the media, amongst other similarly disturbing techniques. And of course there’s the outlandish anti-semitic Jew-blaming for anything and everything, like earth quakes.

A staple of the Palestinian propaganda ideology, as parroted by Tlaib, is the concept that Jews took their land. Luckily, those Jews kept the receipts from the land purchases."
Jews Legally Purchased ‘Palestinian’ Land Before The Holocaust. Rashida Lied.

Once again, I am not disputing any of this.

But there is a discrepancy between the lands which Jews had purchased during the British occupation and the lands shown on the map of Israel in 1949 after then Armistice was signed.

Now I don’t think this is problematic at all. After all, they took it in a defensive war just as they had taken the Gaza and West Bank two decades later, or the entirety of Sinai from Egypt in 73.

 

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Not really,

She is talking about the sacrifices they made to establish the state of Israel

The Arabs in Israel joined with Hitler, you lying pig.