Dems Big Push for 2014: Minimum Wage

[Doubletap]

The welfare state is the natural result of a population that believe you are your brothers keeper, whether you choose that or not.

 

[dblack]

Because it is a stupid question. You apparently can't differentiate between a 1 or 2 dollar increase in minimum wage and an increase of around $20 an hour.

The problem is, opponents of minimum have to create absurd strawmen that nobody wants, and debunk, instead of addressing real world situations. You do this because your positions in the real world have zero proof.

If you had proof minimum wage increases in the past had resulted in unemployment, you would be posting it everywhere, but you don't, so you come up with this crap.

I don't care enough to go looking for proof. But you're still not answering the question, and I'm wondering why. If $1 or $2 per hour increase in minimum wage has no negative repercussions, why not go for $10 or $20?

Right there. You don't find proof for your beliefs, you just go based of emotions. But apparently you care enough to post bullshit without proof.

I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just asking you a question. In your refusal to answer it, I'm guessing that you're admitting that raising the MW a small amount would have small negative consequences, and that raising it a lot would have larger negative consequences - otherwise, why not raise it a lot? Is there another reason why we should hold back?

 

[Stephanie]

The welfare state is the natural result of a population that believe you are your brothers keeper, whether you choose that or not.

Yep, they've been sold that for years and now have no problems taking off the backs of others through, welfare, food stamps, etc
Now demanding a business pay them more an hour
I think it's 47% of people receive some from of government aid
A few more percent, we'll be in the hands of the Government
but you can't get that through their heads

 

[Iceman]

I don't care enough to go looking for proof. But you're still not answering the question, and I'm wondering why. If $1 or $2 per hour increase in minimum wage has no negative repercussions, why not go for $10 or $20?

Right there. You don't find proof for your beliefs, you just go based of emotions. But apparently you care enough to post bullshit without proof.

I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just asking you a question. In your refusal to answer it, I'm guessing that you're admitting that raising the MW a small amount would have small negative consequences, and that raising it a lot would have larger negative consequences - otherwise, why not raise it a lot? Is there another reason why we should hold back?

What small negative consequences? What proof do you have of small negative consequences arising from past increases in minimum wage?

 

[dblack]

Right there. You don't find proof for your beliefs, you just go based of emotions. But apparently you care enough to post bullshit without proof.

I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just asking you a question. In your refusal to answer it, I'm guessing that you're admitting that raising the MW a small amount would have small negative consequences, and that raising it a lot would have larger negative consequences - otherwise, why not raise it a lot? Is there another reason why we should hold back?

What small negative consequences? What proof do you have of small negative consequences arising from past increases in minimum wage?

I'm not offering any. I'm willing to take your word for it. If you're right, if there are no negative consequences, why not do it more? Have you thought about it?

 

[Iceman]

I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just asking you a question. In your refusal to answer it, I'm guessing that you're admitting that raising the MW a small amount would have small negative consequences, and that raising it a lot would have larger negative consequences - otherwise, why not raise it a lot? Is there another reason why we should hold back?

What small negative consequences? What proof do you have of small negative consequences arising from past increases in minimum wage?

I'm not offering any. I'm willing to take your word for it. If you're right, if there are no negative consequences, why not do it more? Have you thought about it?

Ok then, since there are no negative consequences, lets carry on with this increase in minimum wage...

How's this, when a bill comes up proposing a $30/hr minimum wage, you let me know.

 

[dblack]

What small negative consequences? What proof do you have of small negative consequences arising from past increases in minimum wage?

I'm not offering any. I'm willing to take your word for it. If you're right, if there are no negative consequences, why not do it more? Have you thought about it?

Ok then, since there are no negative consequences, lets carry on with this increase in minimum wage...

How's this, when a bill comes up proposing a $30/hr minimum wage, you let me know.

If it came up, would you support it?

 

[BobPlumb]

Well, first off, I never suggested raising minimum wage to $20, nor is that what is on the table.

Please, cite the negative effects, with proof, from raising the minimum wage "just a little".

If the minimum wage increase is very small, then the effects will also be very small. That's why the $20 minimum wage is not on the table. Most everyone knows that the higher the minimum is raised above true market value, the more devistating it will be. The people/politicians that want to raise the minimum by a small amount are just making a feel good policy change that they can strut around and brag about while the minimum wage earner will still not be earning the so called "living wage".

Of course this is what is eventually going to happen. The minimum wage will be raised a small amount. It will calm down those calling for an increase for a year or two while the effect on the economy will be barely measurable if at all.

Ok, so you have no proof, you are a hack.

And you are an idiot?

 

[1776]

Why only $15/hr....go for $20, $100, $1000.....

Why are liberals such low aimers.....ask for $1,000,000/hr.

 

[velvtacheeze]

Since the 'free market' isn't helping increase living standards among most Americans, time for the state to step in and better allocate incomes. No, not everyone should earn the same amount. But the bottom need to have their wages upped, and it should be tied to inflation going forward, to keep companies's from abusing their lowest paid.

If this means that the upper income employees earn less, I'm okay with that.

Are you ok with government telling you how to make a living? Because that's what you're asking for.

Yes. Yes I am. I'm totally okay with government, whose representatives are chosen by the people, telling business how they will be run.

 

[dblack]

Since the 'free market' isn't helping increase living standards among most Americans, time for the state to step in and better allocate incomes. No, not everyone should earn the same amount. But the bottom need to have their wages upped, and it should be tied to inflation going forward, to keep companies's from abusing their lowest paid.

If this means that the upper income employees earn less, I'm okay with that.

Are you ok with government telling you how to make a living? Because that's what you're asking for.

Yes. Yes I am. I'm totally okay with government, whose representatives are chosen by the people, telling business how they will be run.

Well, I appreciate your honesty, if nothing else. I don't want to live under a government that dictates to us like that.

 

[DiamondDave]

Are you ok with government telling you how to make a living? Because that's what you're asking for.

Yes. Yes I am. I'm totally okay with government, whose representatives are chosen by the people, telling business how they will be run.

Well, I appreciate your honesty, if nothing else. I don't want to live under a government that dictates to us like that.

He's a totalitarianism loving piece of shit.. there is nothing to appreciate with them

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Dems are not very smart then Boop if that is indeed their plan for the new years agenda.

Employment for the young is still terribly hard to find and increasing the minimum wage will only serve to make those stats worse. Add the new burden of raising their wages along with the upcoming mandate for businesses of the ACA and you have a recipe for disaster.

Give Sally or Timmy a big raise then cut their hours to compensate for the lost revenue then fire them completely if possible to avoid the ACA.

Logic seems to be completely void in the Democratic party.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Dems are not very smart then Boop if that is indeed their plan for the new years agenda.

Employment for the young is still terribly hard to find and increasing the minimum wage will only serve to make those stats worse. Add the new burden of raising their wages along with the upcoming mandate for businesses of the ACA and you have a recipe for disaster.

Give Sally or Timmy a big raise then cut their hours to compensate for the lost revenue then fire them completely if possible to avoid the ACA.

Logic seems to be completely void in the Democratic party.

Yes! Sally and Timmy have traditionally been liable for their own health care. You have made an excellent point.

 

[JWBooth]

Politically, I hope they are very successful and that the GOPers go along with them.
The resulting negative economic impact will kill what is left of their combined political dominance.

As for the effect it will have on the rest of us...not so much.

 

[Mac1958]

Are you ok with government telling you how to make a living? Because that's what you're asking for.

Yes. Yes I am. I'm totally okay with government, whose representatives are chosen by the people, telling business how they will be run.

Well, I appreciate your honesty, if nothing else. I don't want to live under a government that dictates to us like that.

Yeah, I run into this situation quite a bit, too. You ask a question about allowing more and more and more government control of our lives, kind of assuming that most people don't want to live under a more authoritarian rule, and holy crap, some actually do. Kind of surprising that some are so willing to give up controls over their lives to people they don't even know. Much less to professional politicians, who prove their unworthiness of such trust with such consistency.

These folks passionately hold on to this romantic notion of We the People living under the benevolent, loving, trustworthy authority of peers, a true collectivist nirvana in which we are all one, all the same.

I don't ask questions like that any more.



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[Remodeling Maidiac]

Dems are not very smart then Boop if that is indeed their plan for the new years agenda.

Employment for the young is still terribly hard to find and increasing the minimum wage will only serve to make those stats worse. Add the new burden of raising their wages along with the upcoming mandate for businesses of the ACA and you have a recipe for disaster.

Give Sally or Timmy a big raise then cut their hours to compensate for the lost revenue then fire them completely if possible to avoid the ACA.

Logic seems to be completely void in the Democratic party.

Yes! Sally and Timmy have traditionally been liable for their own health care. You have made an excellent point.

Indeed I did make an excellent point. None of you on the left will care anyhow.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Yes. Yes I am. I'm totally okay with government, whose representatives are chosen by the people, telling business how they will be run.

Well, I appreciate your honesty, if nothing else. I don't want to live under a government that dictates to us like that.

Yeah, I run into this situation quite a bit, too. You ask a question about allowing more and more and more government control of our lives, kind of assuming that most people don't want to live under a more authoritarian rule, and holy crap, some actually do. Kind of surprising that some are so willing to give up controls over their lives to people they don't even know. Much less to professional politicians, who prove their unworthiness of such trust with such consistency.

These folks passionately hold on to this romantic notion of We the People living under the benevolent, loving, trustworthy authority of peers, a true collectivist nirvana in which we are all one, all the same.

I don't ask questions like that any more.



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Ask not what your country can do for you and instead demand that they do it all because you're too fucking lazy to do it for yourself.

Sad times

 

[The Rabbi]

Are you ok with government telling you how to make a living? Because that's what you're asking for.

Yes. Yes I am. I'm totally okay with government, whose representatives are chosen by the people, telling business how they will be run.

Well, I appreciate your honesty, if nothing else. I don't want to live under a government that dictates to us like that.

HE is in favor of National Socialism. Why should anyone be surprised?

 

[LeftofLeft]

Republicans should talk about how they are going to bring 2014 Black Unemployment back to Black Unemployment in 2005 levels. Then, the Democrats can demonstrate how arbitrary increases in minimum wage is going to help reduce Black Unemployment.