Did George Stephanopoulos trick Trump or help Trump?

[RealDave]

There's nothing perfectly legal about hiring a firm to invent dirt and then use it to illegally spy on political opponents.......and then use it to try to overthrow a presidency just because you lost.

No one hired a firm to CREATE dirt. They hired a firm to investigate a candidate, which is used by all politicians, every single one of them... and they even hire people to do opposition research on themselves, to find out what their competition is going to find out about themselves. GPS was hired by the Washington Free Beacon, to do opposition research on Candidate Trump, who is a Conservative news source...

They did as much research as they could on Donald Trump, with his dealings in the USA, but kept hitting dead ends in the USA, all roads on Trump and his Business doings, lead to Russia.... the Free Beacon then stopped this oppo research because Candidate Trump, had won the Primary... The Wash Free Beacon was doing this opposition research on behalf of another Republican Candidate.

GPS was then hired by the DNC and the Clinton campaign, through the Law Firm that handled ALL OF THE DNC and Clinton campaign Legal issues.... if anyone running as a Democratic candidate in any race, including local, and federal senators, legislators, congress critters... if they had a campaign legal question, they went to this law firm handling their account for an answer or to see if it was legal... like if Russians approached them to give them help in their election run, all of the candidates would have run it by the law firm, to see if it was legal.... (UNLIKE what Donny Junior did....he sought no legal advice at all....when the Russian gvt approached him with dirt on Hillary.)

this firm was paid millions to handle the DNC and Clinton campaign accounts.... Clinton Campaign was a NEW account, but this firm had been the DNC's law firm for YEARS prior to this election in 2016.

In Congressional hearings, with Fusion GPS Glenn Simpson, it came out that Christopher Steele was paid around $150,000 by them, for the investigation in to Trump's Russian ties... they hired Steele because he had previous expertise in Russia.

Steele gathered information from his research and compiled some field notes of what he was being told or found out.

He never said they were true or factual, they were simply what he was finding out, or that was being said.... and that these field notes, later labeled by the press, The Dossier, needed to be investigated to find out the facts/evidence in support of, or deniable evidence... he said the job was too big, for him alone to do...

some of the information he came across was very disturbing and fishy, so he turned it over to the FBI....and then to McCain because he felt the FBI was not doing anything or taking it seriously, as any human being with a sense of ethics would.

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When Steele was hired by Fusion GPS/ DNC/Clinton Campaign for opposition research, Trump had just won the primary a couple of weeks earlier...

All polling said Clinton had a LOCK on winning the presidency against him.... something like a 90% chance of her winning against candidate Trump.

NO ONE NEEDED to fabricate some opposition research against Trump in order to win or as a safety net... Steele's investigation began months before we even knew the Russians had stolen the DNC emails and released them, via wikileaks on July 22, 2016, a couple of days before the DNC convention.

Personally I think your logic and your judgement is highly questionable.

No, actually it is your logic and your judgement, that is conspiracy and insensible.... it makes no sense, at all!

And when it comes to interference in elections....it's clear that the media is the guilty of this.

The media, got Donald Trump elected, giving him coverage 24/7 during the campaign, while giving none to Hillary, other than email email emails private server private server private server, FBI Comey announcement, FBI comey reopening the investigation. Even Bernie got more coverage from the Media, than Hillary.

What I think is you believe everything the media tells you and you assume that everything Trump does is illegal.
You're just not levelheaded.

What I think is that you believe everything Trump and FOX News tells you about their made up accusations and made up out of thin air conspiracy theories that absolutely make no sense.... a rewriting of history and actually facts.

Is it possible that Carter Page, after he left the campaign, FISA warrant could have been done unfairly on him...? Sure it is possible.... and the IG is investigating it, and we will find out.

But this has NOTHING at all to do with the FBI beginning their investigation of the Trump campaign for witting or unwitting workings with the Russians who were illegally trying to influence our presidential election. The Mueller report shows 140 contacts between the Russians and the Trump campaign, during the period.

Trump lied, and said there were NONE, Trump also lied and said their were no business deals in the workings.... when he was working a Trump Moscow deal, up until the moment he won.

He also lied about the Trump tower meeting with his son, Kushner, and Manafort to get dirt on Hillary

Lying is a consciousness of guilt...

They hired Fusion GPS to find dirt. Fusion GPS provided faked information they couldn't varify. Hillary gave this fake information to supporters in the DOJ and they used it to commit perjury in court to begin a spying operation against a political opponent.

A deal isn't a deal unless you sign a contract. Just looking into building in Russia isn't a deal. Exploring options isn't a deal. Even if Trump had decided to build, which laws was he breaking????

Everything you believe is coming from media sources that are skilled at manipulation and deception. Half-truths designed to mislead people who are gullible.

Unverified does not mean fake.

An eyewitness to a crime is still evidence even if it can not be verified. How fucking stupid are you people?

Trying to get a deal IS doing business activities.

It is not whether the business was legal, it was that he LIED about it.

 

[peach174]

The DNC and Hillary's campaign paid for dirt on Trump.
Steel went to the Russians and gave the info to the FBI.
FBI fell for fake dossier and then tried to cover it up.

 

[HappyJoy]

Clinton didn't hire a foreign government. She paid a firm for oppo-research. Two key points, she paid and not a foreign government. Trump and his fellow cohorts accepted an offer from the Russian government and for free, they didn't have to pay for it which is a campaign finance violation since it's supposed to be reported.

Glad we could settle that.

A meaningless difference.
so far the only thing that you have settled is that you are a delusioal partisan hack.

Not meaningless. One is illegal the other isn't.

Ultimately the money came from Clinton and was used to hire foreign agents.

Which is legal. She didn't depend on free help from characters who mostly likely would expect something in return. One reason why it's illegal.

in any case Trump isn't offering to pay for the information he is simply inviting people who know things to make them known. Nobody is stupid enough to think that staronce information starts at coming in it's only going to be on one political party. All of Washington DC is a filthy cesspool of perverted human beings who once they believe they are outside the scope of observation and of legality are capable of every vile act imaginable. There has to be volumes of good dirt available on every member of Congress who has visited foreign countries. I want all of it. I'm sure Graham doesn't like it because he among others has a tremendous amount to hide.

Jo

He's inviting illegal activity.

 

[iceberg]

There's nothing perfectly legal about hiring a firm to invent dirt and then use it to illegally spy on political opponents.......and then use it to try to overthrow a presidency just because you lost.

No one hired a firm to CREATE dirt. They hired a firm to investigate a candidate, which is used by all politicians, every single one of them... and they even hire people to do opposition research on themselves, to find out what their competition is going to find out about themselves. GPS was hired by the Washington Free Beacon, to do opposition research on Candidate Trump, who is a Conservative news source...

They did as much research as they could on Donald Trump, with his dealings in the USA, but kept hitting dead ends in the USA, all roads on Trump and his Business doings, lead to Russia.... the Free Beacon then stopped this oppo research because Candidate Trump, had won the Primary... The Wash Free Beacon was doing this opposition research on behalf of another Republican Candidate.

GPS was then hired by the DNC and the Clinton campaign, through the Law Firm that handled ALL OF THE DNC and Clinton campaign Legal issues.... if anyone running as a Democratic candidate in any race, including local, and federal senators, legislators, congress critters... if they had a campaign legal question, they went to this law firm handling their account for an answer or to see if it was legal... like if Russians approached them to give them help in their election run, all of the candidates would have run it by the law firm, to see if it was legal.... (UNLIKE what Donny Junior did....he sought no legal advice at all....when the Russian gvt approached him with dirt on Hillary.)

this firm was paid millions to handle the DNC and Clinton campaign accounts.... Clinton Campaign was a NEW account, but this firm had been the DNC's law firm for YEARS prior to this election in 2016.

In Congressional hearings, with Fusion GPS Glenn Simpson, it came out that Christopher Steele was paid around $150,000 by them, for the investigation in to Trump's Russian ties... they hired Steele because he had previous expertise in Russia.

Steele gathered information from his research and compiled some field notes of what he was being told or found out.

He never said they were true or factual, they were simply what he was finding out, or that was being said.... and that these field notes, later labeled by the press, The Dossier, needed to be investigated to find out the facts/evidence in support of, or deniable evidence... he said the job was too big, for him alone to do...

some of the information he came across was very disturbing and fishy, so he turned it over to the FBI....and then to McCain because he felt the FBI was not doing anything or taking it seriously, as any human being with a sense of ethics would.

--------------------------

When Steele was hired by Fusion GPS/ DNC/Clinton Campaign for opposition research, Trump had just won the primary a couple of weeks earlier...

All polling said Clinton had a LOCK on winning the presidency against him.... something like a 90% chance of her winning against candidate Trump.

NO ONE NEEDED to fabricate some opposition research against Trump in order to win or as a safety net... Steele's investigation began months before we even knew the Russians had stolen the DNC emails and released them, via wikileaks on July 22, 2016, a couple of days before the DNC convention.

Personally I think your logic and your judgement is highly questionable.

No, actually it is your logic and your judgement, that is conspiracy and insensible.... it makes no sense, at all!

And when it comes to interference in elections....it's clear that the media is the guilty of this.

The media, got Donald Trump elected, giving him coverage 24/7 during the campaign, while giving none to Hillary, other than email email emails private server private server private server, FBI Comey announcement, FBI comey reopening the investigation. Even Bernie got more coverage from the Media, than Hillary.

What I think is you believe everything the media tells you and you assume that everything Trump does is illegal.
You're just not levelheaded.

What I think is that you believe everything Trump and FOX News tells you about their made up accusations and made up out of thin air conspiracy theories that absolutely make no sense.... a rewriting of history and actually facts.

Is it possible that Carter Page, after he left the campaign, FISA warrant could have been done unfairly on him...? Sure it is possible.... and the IG is investigating it, and we will find out.

But this has NOTHING at all to do with the FBI beginning their investigation of the Trump campaign for witting or unwitting workings with the Russians who were illegally trying to influence our presidential election. The Mueller report shows 140 contacts between the Russians and the Trump campaign, during the period.

Trump lied, and said there were NONE, Trump also lied and said their were no business deals in the workings.... when he was working a Trump Moscow deal, up until the moment he won.

He also lied about the Trump tower meeting with his son, Kushner, and Manafort to get dirt on Hillary

Lying is a consciousness of guilt...

They hired Fusion GPS to find dirt. Fusion GPS provided faked information they couldn't varify. Hillary gave this fake information to supporters in the DOJ and they used it to commit perjury in court to begin a spying operation against a political opponent.

A deal isn't a deal unless you sign a contract. Just looking into building in Russia isn't a deal. Exploring options isn't a deal. Even if Trump had decided to build, which laws was he breaking????

Everything you believe is coming from media sources that are skilled at manipulation and deception. Half-truths designed to mislead people who are gullible.

Unverified does not mean fake.

An eyewitness to a crime is still evidence even if it can not be verified. How fucking stupid are you people?

Trying to get a deal IS doing business activities.

It is not whether the business was legal, it was that he LIED about it.

lied? you mean like with a cloth?

 

[Care4all]

There's nothing perfectly legal about hiring a firm to invent dirt and then use it to illegally spy on political opponents.......and then use it to try to overthrow a presidency just because you lost.

No one hired a firm to CREATE dirt. They hired a firm to investigate a candidate, which is used by all politicians, every single one of them... and they even hire people to do opposition research on themselves, to find out what their competition is going to find out about themselves. GPS was hired by the Washington Free Beacon, to do opposition research on Candidate Trump, who is a Conservative news source...

They did as much research as they could on Donald Trump, with his dealings in the USA, but kept hitting dead ends in the USA, all roads on Trump and his Business doings, lead to Russia.... the Free Beacon then stopped this oppo research because Candidate Trump, had won the Primary... The Wash Free Beacon was doing this opposition research on behalf of another Republican Candidate.

GPS was then hired by the DNC and the Clinton campaign, through the Law Firm that handled ALL OF THE DNC and Clinton campaign Legal issues.... if anyone running as a Democratic candidate in any race, including local, and federal senators, legislators, congress critters... if they had a campaign legal question, they went to this law firm handling their account for an answer or to see if it was legal... like if Russians approached them to give them help in their election run, all of the candidates would have run it by the law firm, to see if it was legal.... (UNLIKE what Donny Junior did....he sought no legal advice at all....when the Russian gvt approached him with dirt on Hillary.)

this firm was paid millions to handle the DNC and Clinton campaign accounts.... Clinton Campaign was a NEW account, but this firm had been the DNC's law firm for YEARS prior to this election in 2016.

In Congressional hearings, with Fusion GPS Glenn Simpson, it came out that Christopher Steele was paid around $150,000 by them, for the investigation in to Trump's Russian ties... they hired Steele because he had previous expertise in Russia.

Steele gathered information from his research and compiled some field notes of what he was being told or found out.

He never said they were true or factual, they were simply what he was finding out, or that was being said.... and that these field notes, later labeled by the press, The Dossier, needed to be investigated to find out the facts/evidence in support of, or deniable evidence... he said the job was too big, for him alone to do...

some of the information he came across was very disturbing and fishy, so he turned it over to the FBI....and then to McCain because he felt the FBI was not doing anything or taking it seriously, as any human being with a sense of ethics would.

--------------------------

When Steele was hired by Fusion GPS/ DNC/Clinton Campaign for opposition research, Trump had just won the primary a couple of weeks earlier...

All polling said Clinton had a LOCK on winning the presidency against him.... something like a 90% chance of her winning against candidate Trump.

NO ONE NEEDED to fabricate some opposition research against Trump in order to win or as a safety net... Steele's investigation began months before we even knew the Russians had stolen the DNC emails and released them, via wikileaks on July 22, 2016, a couple of days before the DNC convention.

Personally I think your logic and your judgement is highly questionable.

No, actually it is your logic and your judgement, that is conspiracy and insensible.... it makes no sense, at all!

And when it comes to interference in elections....it's clear that the media is the guilty of this.

The media, got Donald Trump elected, giving him coverage 24/7 during the campaign, while giving none to Hillary, other than email email emails private server private server private server, FBI Comey announcement, FBI comey reopening the investigation. Even Bernie got more coverage from the Media, than Hillary.

What I think is you believe everything the media tells you and you assume that everything Trump does is illegal.
You're just not levelheaded.

What I think is that you believe everything Trump and FOX News tells you about their made up accusations and made up out of thin air conspiracy theories that absolutely make no sense.... a rewriting of history and actually facts.

Is it possible that Carter Page, after he left the campaign, FISA warrant could have been done unfairly on him...? Sure it is possible.... and the IG is investigating it, and we will find out.

But this has NOTHING at all to do with the FBI beginning their investigation of the Trump campaign for witting or unwitting workings with the Russians who were illegally trying to influence our presidential election. The Mueller report shows 140 contacts between the Russians and the Trump campaign, during the period.

Trump lied, and said there were NONE, Trump also lied and said their were no business deals in the workings.... when he was working a Trump Moscow deal, up until the moment he won.

He also lied about the Trump tower meeting with his son, Kushner, and Manafort to get dirt on Hillary

Lying is a consciousness of guilt...

When HRC paid about 3 million to GPS it was in order "to receive a thing of value".
No spinning. No bullshit. No brainer!
Had HRC won the election no one would have ever heard about GPS.

Gosh, ya'll are just filled with bull shat!

I just looked it up.

Perkins Cole paid GPS $1 million for the opposition research and expenses for the so called dossier, NOT $3 million or the $12 million claimed by Trump, and the precise amount Christopher Steele was paid, was $168,000.

The Trump-Russia dossier cost $168,000, not $12 million, like president claimed

 

[kyzr]

Hillary hired opposition research, all perfectly legal... even with the PI hired by GPS, being a British citizen.

the Trump campaign worked with the Russian Intelligence service and Russian Oligarch who funded the Internet research center of trolls and fake news, who also STOLE Dnc and Podesta emails etc....

-Manafort gave inside polling data to Kiliminik on multiple occasions throughout the campaign, who passed it on to russian intelligence that was interfering....

the only reason Manafort was not charged with Conspiracy, was that without access to the GRU's records and people involved, they could not establish what the Russians did with the inside Trump polling data, passed on to them.

-Donny Jr said he'd love the Russian govt's help and love the Russian gvt dirt they had on Hillary... the only reason he was not charged with the Campaign finance law that he BROKE, was because he may not have known, that it was breaking campaign finance law... and the law requires one knowing they were breaking the law.... any other campaign worker would have run it by the Campaign Lawyer.... but hey... Trump's all think they are the say all, be all....

The two, can not even be compared.

It is against the law for Foreign Countries to interfere in our democratic election process... yes, a real crime, with a US CODE Statute.... not just against the rules and Campaign Finance laws..

President Trump saying he would do it again, even now that he and his son etc now KNOW it is against the law in several ways, is the Man of Lawlessness at work, right before our very eyes and shameful....

but NOT as shameful, as his acolytes, who bow, at his feet... and wash his feet with their own tears, and wipe them clean with their own hair....

There's nothing perfectly legal about hiring a firm to invent dirt and then use it to illegally spy on political opponents.......and then use it to try to overthrow a presidency just because you lost.

Personally I think your logic and your judgement is highly questionable.

And when it comes to interference in elections....it's clear that the media is the guilty of this.

What I think is you believe everything the media tells you and you assume that everything Trump does is illegal.
You're just not levelheaded.

No one invented anything. The Clinton campaign hired a opposition research firm. They sent a guy to Russia to see what Trump was doing in Russia. This dossier was not used to get the FISA warrant to find out why a Trump campaign advisor was speaking to the Russians.

Investigate your asses off. While you are at it, investigate why Trump lied about his campaign's Russian contacts, why he lied about his business dealings in Russia, and lied about the Trump Tower meeting.

1. Yes the unverified dossier was used to get a FISA warrant against Carter Page, who was NOT charged with anything. Stay tuned, FBI indictments coming
2. Trump's activities were investigated by Mueller and NO COLLUSION, NO OBSTRUCTION was the outcome.
3. It's Barr's turn at bat, he and Durham, Huber, and Horowitz should have a few more indictments than the Mueller Investigation.

Wow. Just fucking Wow. Mueller did not say no obstruction. How fucking stupid are you.
The dossier was not used to get a warrant. Carter got picked up on a wire tap on a suspected Russian operative.

Like I say, investigate all you want. Can't wait until they turn up collusion evidence.

1. Yes the dossier was used to illegally get a FISA warrant
"With the release of the House Intelligence Committee Memo, it is manifestly clear that the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the FBI participated in a fraud on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) in order to surveil Carter Page, a U.S. citizen. The FBI and the DOJ deliberately and intentionally advanced unverified opposition research paid for by one political party (the Democratic National Committee) designed to harm the opposing party by creating a fictional Russian collusion story as reliable fact. All this took place in the midst of a U.S. presidential election.
FISA Memo Released and Fraud on the FISA Court Revealed | American Center for Law and Justice"

2. Mueller did not say that the president was guilty of obstruction, he did not recommend indictment, he documented close calls and said he couldn't "exonerate" the president, which is NOT his job. Mueller either indicts or does not indict. Not indicting means "innocent of".

 

[Care4all]

The DNC and Hillary's campaign paid for dirt on Trump.
Steel went to the Russians and gave the info to the FBI.
FBI fell for fake dossier and then tried to cover it up.

uh... NOPE! not even close!

 

[SAYIT]

George asked Trump what he would do if a foreign country offered him dirt on a political opponent, accept it or report it to the FBI. Trump said he'd do both, he called it "oppo research", which the dems used as the excuse for their "Steele Dossier" on Trump using foreign intel assets as well as paying Russians for info.

The democrats as well as the MSM are going berserk!
Lindsay Graham said Trump's response was a "mistake".

Trump Says He Would Accept Campaign Dirt From Foreign Goverments, Not Tell FBI - News & Guts Media

Lets take a poll on who the furor helps or hurts...

It's just another media tempest-in-a-teapot … certainly not the hysterical constitutional crisis they make everything out to be. I'd say the furor further damaged their creds but I'm not certain that is possible:

Most Americans say they have lost trust in the media
The results of a new Knight Foundation and Gallup poll released on Tuesday won’t come as a huge surprise to most journalists: Trust in the media is down. Again.

 

[BS Filter]

Hillary hired opposition research, all perfectly legal... even with the PI hired by GPS, being a British citizen.

the Trump campaign worked with the Russian Intelligence service and Russian Oligarch who funded the Internet research center of trolls and fake news, who also STOLE Dnc and Podesta emails etc....

-Manafort gave inside polling data to Kiliminik on multiple occasions throughout the campaign, who passed it on to russian intelligence that was interfering....

the only reason Manafort was not charged with Conspiracy, was that without access to the GRU's records and people involved, they could not establish what the Russians did with the inside Trump polling data, passed on to them.

-Donny Jr said he'd love the Russian govt's help and love the Russian gvt dirt they had on Hillary... the only reason he was not charged with the Campaign finance law that he BROKE, was because he may not have known, that it was breaking campaign finance law... and the law requires one knowing they were breaking the law.... any other campaign worker would have run it by the Campaign Lawyer.... but hey... Trump's all think they are the say all, be all....

The two, can not even be compared.

It is against the law for Foreign Countries to interfere in our democratic election process... yes, a real crime, with a US CODE Statute.... not just against the rules and Campaign Finance laws..

President Trump saying he would do it again, even now that he and his son etc now KNOW it is against the law in several ways, is the Man of Lawlessness at work, right before our very eyes and shameful....

but NOT as shameful, as his acolytes, who bow, at his feet... and wash his feet with their own tears, and wipe them clean with their own hair....

There's nothing perfectly legal about hiring a firm to invent dirt and then use it to illegally spy on political opponents.......and then use it to try to overthrow a presidency just because you lost.

Personally I think your logic and your judgement is highly questionable.

And when it comes to interference in elections....it's clear that the media is the guilty of this.

What I think is you believe everything the media tells you and you assume that everything Trump does is illegal.
You're just not levelheaded.

No one invented anything. The Clinton campaign hired a opposition research firm. They sent a guy to Russia to see what Trump was doing in Russia. This dossier was not used to get the FISA warrant to find out why a Trump campaign advisor was speaking to the Russians.

Investigate your asses off. While you are at it, investigate why Trump lied about his campaign's Russian contacts, why he lied about his business dealings in Russia, and lied about the Trump Tower meeting.

1. Yes the unverified dossier was used to get a FISA warrant against Carter Page, who was NOT charged with anything. Stay tuned, FBI indictments coming
2. Trump's activities were investigated by Mueller and NO COLLUSION, NO OBSTRUCTION was the outcome.
3. It's Barr's turn at bat, he and Durham, Huber, and Horowitz should have a few more indictments than the Mueller Investigation.

Wow. Just fucking Wow. Mueller did not say no obstruction. How fucking stupid are you.
The dossier was not used to get a warrant. Carter got picked up on a wire tap on a suspected Russian operative.

Like I say, investigate all you want. Can't wait until they turn up collusion evidence.

1. Yes the dossier was used to illegally get a FISA warrant
"With the release of the House Intelligence Committee Memo, it is manifestly clear that the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the FBI participated in a fraud on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) in order to surveil Carter Page, a U.S. citizen. The FBI and the DOJ deliberately and intentionally advanced unverified opposition research paid for by one political party (the Democratic National Committee) designed to harm the opposing party by creating a fictional Russian collusion story as reliable fact. All this took place in the midst of a U.S. presidential election.
FISA Memo Released and Fraud on the FISA Court Revealed | American Center for Law and Justice"

2. Mueller did not say that the president was guilty of obstruction, he did not recommend indictment, he documented close calls and said he couldn't "exonerate" the president, which is NOT his job. Mueller either indicts or does not indict. Not indicting means "innocent of".

The Democrats are playing word games. No one can be exonerated unless they are indicted first. If you aren't charged or indicted, you are innocent by default. Mueller deliberately used "exonerated" so Democrats could play this game.

 

[Care4all]

There's nothing perfectly legal about hiring a firm to invent dirt and then use it to illegally spy on political opponents.......and then use it to try to overthrow a presidency just because you lost.

No one hired a firm to CREATE dirt. They hired a firm to investigate a candidate, which is used by all politicians, every single one of them... and they even hire people to do opposition research on themselves, to find out what their competition is going to find out about themselves. GPS was hired by the Washington Free Beacon, to do opposition research on Candidate Trump, who is a Conservative news source...

They did as much research as they could on Donald Trump, with his dealings in the USA, but kept hitting dead ends in the USA, all roads on Trump and his Business doings, lead to Russia.... the Free Beacon then stopped this oppo research because Candidate Trump, had won the Primary... The Wash Free Beacon was doing this opposition research on behalf of another Republican Candidate.

GPS was then hired by the DNC and the Clinton campaign, through the Law Firm that handled ALL OF THE DNC and Clinton campaign Legal issues.... if anyone running as a Democratic candidate in any race, including local, and federal senators, legislators, congress critters... if they had a campaign legal question, they went to this law firm handling their account for an answer or to see if it was legal... like if Russians approached them to give them help in their election run, all of the candidates would have run it by the law firm, to see if it was legal.... (UNLIKE what Donny Junior did....he sought no legal advice at all....when the Russian gvt approached him with dirt on Hillary.)

this firm was paid millions to handle the DNC and Clinton campaign accounts.... Clinton Campaign was a NEW account, but this firm had been the DNC's law firm for YEARS prior to this election in 2016.

In Congressional hearings, with Fusion GPS Glenn Simpson, it came out that Christopher Steele was paid around $150,000 by them, for the investigation in to Trump's Russian ties... they hired Steele because he had previous expertise in Russia.

Steele gathered information from his research and compiled some field notes of what he was being told or found out.

He never said they were true or factual, they were simply what he was finding out, or that was being said.... and that these field notes, later labeled by the press, The Dossier, needed to be investigated to find out the facts/evidence in support of, or deniable evidence... he said the job was too big, for him alone to do...

some of the information he came across was very disturbing and fishy, so he turned it over to the FBI....and then to McCain because he felt the FBI was not doing anything or taking it seriously, as any human being with a sense of ethics would.

--------------------------

When Steele was hired by Fusion GPS/ DNC/Clinton Campaign for opposition research, Trump had just won the primary a couple of weeks earlier...

All polling said Clinton had a LOCK on winning the presidency against him.... something like a 90% chance of her winning against candidate Trump.

NO ONE NEEDED to fabricate some opposition research against Trump in order to win or as a safety net... Steele's investigation began months before we even knew the Russians had stolen the DNC emails and released them, via wikileaks on July 22, 2016, a couple of days before the DNC convention.

Personally I think your logic and your judgement is highly questionable.

No, actually it is your logic and your judgement, that is conspiracy and insensible.... it makes no sense, at all!

And when it comes to interference in elections....it's clear that the media is the guilty of this.

The media, got Donald Trump elected, giving him coverage 24/7 during the campaign, while giving none to Hillary, other than email email emails private server private server private server, FBI Comey announcement, FBI comey reopening the investigation. Even Bernie got more coverage from the Media, than Hillary.

What I think is you believe everything the media tells you and you assume that everything Trump does is illegal.
You're just not levelheaded.

What I think is that you believe everything Trump and FOX News tells you about their made up accusations and made up out of thin air conspiracy theories that absolutely make no sense.... a rewriting of history and actually facts.

Is it possible that Carter Page, after he left the campaign, FISA warrant could have been done unfairly on him...? Sure it is possible.... and the IG is investigating it, and we will find out.

But this has NOTHING at all to do with the FBI beginning their investigation of the Trump campaign for witting or unwitting workings with the Russians who were illegally trying to influence our presidential election. The Mueller report shows 140 contacts between the Russians and the Trump campaign, during the period.

Trump lied, and said there were NONE, Trump also lied and said their were no business deals in the workings.... when he was working a Trump Moscow deal, up until the moment he won.

He also lied about the Trump tower meeting with his son, Kushner, and Manafort to get dirt on Hillary

Lying is a consciousness of guilt...

They hired Fusion GPS to find dirt. Fusion GPS provided faked information they couldn't varify. Hillary gave this fake information to supporters in the DOJ and they used it to commit perjury in court to begin a spying operation against a political opponent.

A deal isn't a deal unless you sign a contract. Just looking into building in Russia isn't a deal. Exploring options isn't a deal. Even if Trump had decided to build, which laws was he breaking????

Everything you believe is coming from media sources that are skilled at manipulation and deception. Half-truths designed to mislead people who are gullible.

Unverified does not mean fake.

An eyewitness to a crime is still evidence even if it can not be verified. How fucking stupid are you people?

Trying to get a deal IS doing business activities.

It is not whether the business was legal, it was that he LIED about it.

lied? you mean like with a cloth?

You do know that her server was NOT subpoenaed by Congress when the server was wiped clean... only the emails for Benghazi and Lybia were subpoenaed by congress and those emails had already been gathered, collected and sent to the government. NOTHING was illegal about cleaning that server, PERIOD.

the FBI did NOT request her server until 5 months after it was wiped clean.

Ya'll are promoting a lie, that Trump told you to say and somehow convinced you to believe.

 

[iceberg]

There's nothing perfectly legal about hiring a firm to invent dirt and then use it to illegally spy on political opponents.......and then use it to try to overthrow a presidency just because you lost.

No one hired a firm to CREATE dirt. They hired a firm to investigate a candidate, which is used by all politicians, every single one of them... and they even hire people to do opposition research on themselves, to find out what their competition is going to find out about themselves. GPS was hired by the Washington Free Beacon, to do opposition research on Candidate Trump, who is a Conservative news source...

They did as much research as they could on Donald Trump, with his dealings in the USA, but kept hitting dead ends in the USA, all roads on Trump and his Business doings, lead to Russia.... the Free Beacon then stopped this oppo research because Candidate Trump, had won the Primary... The Wash Free Beacon was doing this opposition research on behalf of another Republican Candidate.

GPS was then hired by the DNC and the Clinton campaign, through the Law Firm that handled ALL OF THE DNC and Clinton campaign Legal issues.... if anyone running as a Democratic candidate in any race, including local, and federal senators, legislators, congress critters... if they had a campaign legal question, they went to this law firm handling their account for an answer or to see if it was legal... like if Russians approached them to give them help in their election run, all of the candidates would have run it by the law firm, to see if it was legal.... (UNLIKE what Donny Junior did....he sought no legal advice at all....when the Russian gvt approached him with dirt on Hillary.)

this firm was paid millions to handle the DNC and Clinton campaign accounts.... Clinton Campaign was a NEW account, but this firm had been the DNC's law firm for YEARS prior to this election in 2016.

In Congressional hearings, with Fusion GPS Glenn Simpson, it came out that Christopher Steele was paid around $150,000 by them, for the investigation in to Trump's Russian ties... they hired Steele because he had previous expertise in Russia.

Steele gathered information from his research and compiled some field notes of what he was being told or found out.

He never said they were true or factual, they were simply what he was finding out, or that was being said.... and that these field notes, later labeled by the press, The Dossier, needed to be investigated to find out the facts/evidence in support of, or deniable evidence... he said the job was too big, for him alone to do...

some of the information he came across was very disturbing and fishy, so he turned it over to the FBI....and then to McCain because he felt the FBI was not doing anything or taking it seriously, as any human being with a sense of ethics would.

--------------------------

When Steele was hired by Fusion GPS/ DNC/Clinton Campaign for opposition research, Trump had just won the primary a couple of weeks earlier...

All polling said Clinton had a LOCK on winning the presidency against him.... something like a 90% chance of her winning against candidate Trump.

NO ONE NEEDED to fabricate some opposition research against Trump in order to win or as a safety net... Steele's investigation began months before we even knew the Russians had stolen the DNC emails and released them, via wikileaks on July 22, 2016, a couple of days before the DNC convention.

Personally I think your logic and your judgement is highly questionable.

No, actually it is your logic and your judgement, that is conspiracy and insensible.... it makes no sense, at all!

And when it comes to interference in elections....it's clear that the media is the guilty of this.

The media, got Donald Trump elected, giving him coverage 24/7 during the campaign, while giving none to Hillary, other than email email emails private server private server private server, FBI Comey announcement, FBI comey reopening the investigation. Even Bernie got more coverage from the Media, than Hillary.

What I think is you believe everything the media tells you and you assume that everything Trump does is illegal.
You're just not levelheaded.

What I think is that you believe everything Trump and FOX News tells you about their made up accusations and made up out of thin air conspiracy theories that absolutely make no sense.... a rewriting of history and actually facts.

Is it possible that Carter Page, after he left the campaign, FISA warrant could have been done unfairly on him...? Sure it is possible.... and the IG is investigating it, and we will find out.

But this has NOTHING at all to do with the FBI beginning their investigation of the Trump campaign for witting or unwitting workings with the Russians who were illegally trying to influence our presidential election. The Mueller report shows 140 contacts between the Russians and the Trump campaign, during the period.

Trump lied, and said there were NONE, Trump also lied and said their were no business deals in the workings.... when he was working a Trump Moscow deal, up until the moment he won.

He also lied about the Trump tower meeting with his son, Kushner, and Manafort to get dirt on Hillary

Lying is a consciousness of guilt...

They hired Fusion GPS to find dirt. Fusion GPS provided faked information they couldn't varify. Hillary gave this fake information to supporters in the DOJ and they used it to commit perjury in court to begin a spying operation against a political opponent.

A deal isn't a deal unless you sign a contract. Just looking into building in Russia isn't a deal. Exploring options isn't a deal. Even if Trump had decided to build, which laws was he breaking????

Everything you believe is coming from media sources that are skilled at manipulation and deception. Half-truths designed to mislead people who are gullible.

Unverified does not mean fake.

An eyewitness to a crime is still evidence even if it can not be verified. How fucking stupid are you people?

Trying to get a deal IS doing business activities.

It is not whether the business was legal, it was that he LIED about it.

lied? you mean like with a cloth?

You do know that her server was NOT subpoenaed by Congress when the server was wiped clean... only the emails for Benghazi and Lybia were subpoenaed by congress and those emails had already been gathered, collected and sent to the government. NOTHING was illegal about cleaning that server, PERIOD.

the FBI did NOT request her server until 5 months after it was wiped clean.

Ya'll are promoting a lie, that Trump told you to say and somehow convinced you to believe.

you do know they were onto her and it was coming. she knew it.

there is NO FUCKING VALID REASON (Legal) to be in newsgroups looking to change header information on your e-mail. this happened shortly after the senate committee requested all her work related mail. so you're full of shit and hiding behind words to dodge the facts you don't like. i ain't playing that bullshit game of yours.

she also got to pick and choose what to send in - a complete and total foul. if trump were asked to turn over his computer / information and he deleted it instead, you gonna be ok with that?

you are letting her do shit you'd NEVER allow trump to do. YOU are the one pushing lies and bullshit. i'm just countering your pom poms with facts.

 

[Care4all]

Hillary hired opposition research, all perfectly legal... even with the PI hired by GPS, being a British citizen.

the Trump campaign worked with the Russian Intelligence service and Russian Oligarch who funded the Internet research center of trolls and fake news, who also STOLE Dnc and Podesta emails etc....

-Manafort gave inside polling data to Kiliminik on multiple occasions throughout the campaign, who passed it on to russian intelligence that was interfering....

the only reason Manafort was not charged with Conspiracy, was that without access to the GRU's records and people involved, they could not establish what the Russians did with the inside Trump polling data, passed on to them.

-Donny Jr said he'd love the Russian govt's help and love the Russian gvt dirt they had on Hillary... the only reason he was not charged with the Campaign finance law that he BROKE, was because he may not have known, that it was breaking campaign finance law... and the law requires one knowing they were breaking the law.... any other campaign worker would have run it by the Campaign Lawyer.... but hey... Trump's all think they are the say all, be all....

The two, can not even be compared.

It is against the law for Foreign Countries to interfere in our democratic election process... yes, a real crime, with a US CODE Statute.... not just against the rules and Campaign Finance laws..

President Trump saying he would do it again, even now that he and his son etc now KNOW it is against the law in several ways, is the Man of Lawlessness at work, right before our very eyes and shameful....

but NOT as shameful, as his acolytes, who bow, at his feet... and wash his feet with their own tears, and wipe them clean with their own hair....

There's nothing perfectly legal about hiring a firm to invent dirt and then use it to illegally spy on political opponents.......and then use it to try to overthrow a presidency just because you lost.

Personally I think your logic and your judgement is highly questionable.

And when it comes to interference in elections....it's clear that the media is the guilty of this.

What I think is you believe everything the media tells you and you assume that everything Trump does is illegal.
You're just not levelheaded.

No one invented anything. The Clinton campaign hired a opposition research firm. They sent a guy to Russia to see what Trump was doing in Russia. This dossier was not used to get the FISA warrant to find out why a Trump campaign advisor was speaking to the Russians.

Investigate your asses off. While you are at it, investigate why Trump lied about his campaign's Russian contacts, why he lied about his business dealings in Russia, and lied about the Trump Tower meeting.

1. Yes the unverified dossier was used to get a FISA warrant against Carter Page, who was NOT charged with anything. Stay tuned, FBI indictments coming
2. Trump's activities were investigated by Mueller and NO COLLUSION, NO OBSTRUCTION was the outcome.
3. It's Barr's turn at bat, he and Durham, Huber, and Horowitz should have a few more indictments than the Mueller Investigation.

Wow. Just fucking Wow. Mueller did not say no obstruction. How fucking stupid are you.
The dossier was not used to get a warrant. Carter got picked up on a wire tap on a suspected Russian operative.

Like I say, investigate all you want. Can't wait until they turn up collusion evidence.

1. Yes the dossier was used to illegally get a FISA warrant
"With the release of the House Intelligence Committee Memo, it is manifestly clear that the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the FBI participated in a fraud on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) in order to surveil Carter Page, a U.S. citizen. The FBI and the DOJ deliberately and intentionally advanced unverified opposition research paid for by one political party (the Democratic National Committee) designed to harm the opposing party by creating a fictional Russian collusion story as reliable fact. All this took place in the midst of a U.S. presidential election.
FISA Memo Released and Fraud on the FISA Court Revealed | American Center for Law and Justice"

.

Your link is outdated and outright wrong, in ALL of its key details.... once the Democratic unredacted release of the FISA warrant were presented, it cleared up every single Republican/Nunes LIE.

Here are just a couple of the Republican Nunes's LIES:

The FISA court was told the dossier was compiled as OPPOSITION research by another candidate, so the court was very aware of such.... republicans LIED.

The newspaper articles were NOT used to back up Steele's contentions in the dossier, the articles were used to show that when Page was contacted by the news media, he LIED about his Moscow visit and meetings with Russians when they asked Page about it. Nunes and Republicans LIED about the news articles being used to support what Steele had said.


READ THE REST HERE:

5 Takeaways From the Release of the Democratic Memo

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/ig/ig00/20180205/106838/hmtg-115-ig00-20180205-sd002.pdf

 

[Flash]

Stephanopolis is a shithead that ran cover for Slick Willy's lies. A real asshole that lost all his credibility years ago.

 

[deanrd]

There's nothing perfectly legal about hiring a firm to invent dirt and then use it to illegally spy on political opponents.......and then use it to try to overthrow a presidency just because you lost.

No one hired a firm to CREATE dirt. They hired a firm to investigate a candidate, which is used by all politicians, every single one of them... and they even hire people to do opposition research on themselves, to find out what their competition is going to find out about themselves. GPS was hired by the Washington Free Beacon, to do opposition research on Candidate Trump, who is a Conservative news source...

They did as much research as they could on Donald Trump, with his dealings in the USA, but kept hitting dead ends in the USA, all roads on Trump and his Business doings, lead to Russia.... the Free Beacon then stopped this oppo research because Candidate Trump, had won the Primary... The Wash Free Beacon was doing this opposition research on behalf of another Republican Candidate.

GPS was then hired by the DNC and the Clinton campaign, through the Law Firm that handled ALL OF THE DNC and Clinton campaign Legal issues.... if anyone running as a Democratic candidate in any race, including local, and federal senators, legislators, congress critters... if they had a campaign legal question, they went to this law firm handling their account for an answer or to see if it was legal... like if Russians approached them to give them help in their election run, all of the candidates would have run it by the law firm, to see if it was legal.... (UNLIKE what Donny Junior did....he sought no legal advice at all....when the Russian gvt approached him with dirt on Hillary.)

this firm was paid millions to handle the DNC and Clinton campaign accounts.... Clinton Campaign was a NEW account, but this firm had been the DNC's law firm for YEARS prior to this election in 2016.

In Congressional hearings, with Fusion GPS Glenn Simpson, it came out that Christopher Steele was paid around $150,000 by them, for the investigation in to Trump's Russian ties... they hired Steele because he had previous expertise in Russia.

Steele gathered information from his research and compiled some field notes of what he was being told or found out.

He never said they were true or factual, they were simply what he was finding out, or that was being said.... and that these field notes, later labeled by the press, The Dossier, needed to be investigated to find out the facts/evidence in support of, or deniable evidence... he said the job was too big, for him alone to do...

some of the information he came across was very disturbing and fishy, so he turned it over to the FBI....and then to McCain because he felt the FBI was not doing anything or taking it seriously, as any human being with a sense of ethics would.

--------------------------

When Steele was hired by Fusion GPS/ DNC/Clinton Campaign for opposition research, Trump had just won the primary a couple of weeks earlier...

All polling said Clinton had a LOCK on winning the presidency against him.... something like a 90% chance of her winning against candidate Trump.

NO ONE NEEDED to fabricate some opposition research against Trump in order to win or as a safety net... Steele's investigation began months before we even knew the Russians had stolen the DNC emails and released them, via wikileaks on July 22, 2016, a couple of days before the DNC convention.

Personally I think your logic and your judgement is highly questionable.

No, actually it is your logic and your judgement, that is conspiracy and insensible.... it makes no sense, at all!

And when it comes to interference in elections....it's clear that the media is the guilty of this.

The media, got Donald Trump elected, giving him coverage 24/7 during the campaign, while giving none to Hillary, other than email email emails private server private server private server, FBI Comey announcement, FBI comey reopening the investigation. Even Bernie got more coverage from the Media, than Hillary.

What I think is you believe everything the media tells you and you assume that everything Trump does is illegal.
You're just not levelheaded.

What I think is that you believe everything Trump and FOX News tells you about their made up accusations and made up out of thin air conspiracy theories that absolutely make no sense.... a rewriting of history and actually facts.

Is it possible that Carter Page, after he left the campaign, FISA warrant could have been done unfairly on him...? Sure it is possible.... and the IG is investigating it, and we will find out.

But this has NOTHING at all to do with the FBI beginning their investigation of the Trump campaign for witting or unwitting workings with the Russians who were illegally trying to influence our presidential election. The Mueller report shows 140 contacts between the Russians and the Trump campaign, during the period.

Trump lied, and said there were NONE, Trump also lied and said their were no business deals in the workings.... when he was working a Trump Moscow deal, up until the moment he won.

He also lied about the Trump tower meeting with his son, Kushner, and Manafort to get dirt on Hillary

Lying is a consciousness of guilt...

When HRC paid about 3 million to GPS it was in order "to receive a thing of value".
No spinning. No bullshit. No brainer!
Had HRC won the election no one would have ever heard about GPS.

And they did what they were supposed to do. They turned all their information over to the FBI and not to Hillary Clinton.

Finally something we can both agree on.

 

[deanrd]

There's nothing perfectly legal about hiring a firm to invent dirt and then use it to illegally spy on political opponents.......and then use it to try to overthrow a presidency just because you lost.

No one hired a firm to CREATE dirt. They hired a firm to investigate a candidate, which is used by all politicians, every single one of them... and they even hire people to do opposition research on themselves, to find out what their competition is going to find out about themselves. GPS was hired by the Washington Free Beacon, to do opposition research on Candidate Trump, who is a Conservative news source...

They did as much research as they could on Donald Trump, with his dealings in the USA, but kept hitting dead ends in the USA, all roads on Trump and his Business doings, lead to Russia.... the Free Beacon then stopped this oppo research because Candidate Trump, had won the Primary... The Wash Free Beacon was doing this opposition research on behalf of another Republican Candidate.

GPS was then hired by the DNC and the Clinton campaign, through the Law Firm that handled ALL OF THE DNC and Clinton campaign Legal issues.... if anyone running as a Democratic candidate in any race, including local, and federal senators, legislators, congress critters... if they had a campaign legal question, they went to this law firm handling their account for an answer or to see if it was legal... like if Russians approached them to give them help in their election run, all of the candidates would have run it by the law firm, to see if it was legal.... (UNLIKE what Donny Junior did....he sought no legal advice at all....when the Russian gvt approached him with dirt on Hillary.)

this firm was paid millions to handle the DNC and Clinton campaign accounts.... Clinton Campaign was a NEW account, but this firm had been the DNC's law firm for YEARS prior to this election in 2016.

In Congressional hearings, with Fusion GPS Glenn Simpson, it came out that Christopher Steele was paid around $150,000 by them, for the investigation in to Trump's Russian ties... they hired Steele because he had previous expertise in Russia.

Steele gathered information from his research and compiled some field notes of what he was being told or found out.

He never said they were true or factual, they were simply what he was finding out, or that was being said.... and that these field notes, later labeled by the press, The Dossier, needed to be investigated to find out the facts/evidence in support of, or deniable evidence... he said the job was too big, for him alone to do...

some of the information he came across was very disturbing and fishy, so he turned it over to the FBI....and then to McCain because he felt the FBI was not doing anything or taking it seriously, as any human being with a sense of ethics would.

--------------------------

When Steele was hired by Fusion GPS/ DNC/Clinton Campaign for opposition research, Trump had just won the primary a couple of weeks earlier...

All polling said Clinton had a LOCK on winning the presidency against him.... something like a 90% chance of her winning against candidate Trump.

NO ONE NEEDED to fabricate some opposition research against Trump in order to win or as a safety net... Steele's investigation began months before we even knew the Russians had stolen the DNC emails and released them, via wikileaks on July 22, 2016, a couple of days before the DNC convention.

Personally I think your logic and your judgement is highly questionable.

No, actually it is your logic and your judgement, that is conspiracy and insensible.... it makes no sense, at all!

And when it comes to interference in elections....it's clear that the media is the guilty of this.

The media, got Donald Trump elected, giving him coverage 24/7 during the campaign, while giving none to Hillary, other than email email emails private server private server private server, FBI Comey announcement, FBI comey reopening the investigation. Even Bernie got more coverage from the Media, than Hillary.

What I think is you believe everything the media tells you and you assume that everything Trump does is illegal.
You're just not levelheaded.

What I think is that you believe everything Trump and FOX News tells you about their made up accusations and made up out of thin air conspiracy theories that absolutely make no sense.... a rewriting of history and actually facts.

Is it possible that Carter Page, after he left the campaign, FISA warrant could have been done unfairly on him...? Sure it is possible.... and the IG is investigating it, and we will find out.

But this has NOTHING at all to do with the FBI beginning their investigation of the Trump campaign for witting or unwitting workings with the Russians who were illegally trying to influence our presidential election. The Mueller report shows 140 contacts between the Russians and the Trump campaign, during the period.

Trump lied, and said there were NONE, Trump also lied and said their were no business deals in the workings.... when he was working a Trump Moscow deal, up until the moment he won.

He also lied about the Trump tower meeting with his son, Kushner, and Manafort to get dirt on Hillary

Lying is a consciousness of guilt...

When HRC paid about 3 million to GPS it was in order "to receive a thing of value".
No spinning. No bullshit. No brainer!
Had HRC won the election no one would have ever heard about GPS.

Gosh, ya'll are just filled with bull shat!

I just looked it up.

Perkins Cole paid GPS $1 million for the opposition research and expenses for the so called dossier, NOT $3 million or the $12 million claimed by Trump, and the precise amount Christopher Steele was paid, was $168,000.

The Trump-Russia dossier cost $168,000, not $12 million, like president claimed

And it’s so not fair. Hillary didn’t even get to keep the information. Because fusion turned it over to the FBI. Because that’s what the law says they were supposed to do and they did.

Trump said he wouldn’t do that. But he’s already an unindicted co-conspirator in multiple Felonies. So what’s a few more?

 

[Care4all]

There's nothing perfectly legal about hiring a firm to invent dirt and then use it to illegally spy on political opponents.......and then use it to try to overthrow a presidency just because you lost.

Personally I think your logic and your judgement is highly questionable.

And when it comes to interference in elections....it's clear that the media is the guilty of this.

What I think is you believe everything the media tells you and you assume that everything Trump does is illegal.
You're just not levelheaded.

No one invented anything. The Clinton campaign hired a opposition research firm. They sent a guy to Russia to see what Trump was doing in Russia. This dossier was not used to get the FISA warrant to find out why a Trump campaign advisor was speaking to the Russians.

Investigate your asses off. While you are at it, investigate why Trump lied about his campaign's Russian contacts, why he lied about his business dealings in Russia, and lied about the Trump Tower meeting.

1. Yes the unverified dossier was used to get a FISA warrant against Carter Page, who was NOT charged with anything. Stay tuned, FBI indictments coming
2. Trump's activities were investigated by Mueller and NO COLLUSION, NO OBSTRUCTION was the outcome.
3. It's Barr's turn at bat, he and Durham, Huber, and Horowitz should have a few more indictments than the Mueller Investigation.

Wow. Just fucking Wow. Mueller did not say no obstruction. How fucking stupid are you.
The dossier was not used to get a warrant. Carter got picked up on a wire tap on a suspected Russian operative.

Like I say, investigate all you want. Can't wait until they turn up collusion evidence.

1. Yes the dossier was used to illegally get a FISA warrant
"With the release of the House Intelligence Committee Memo, it is manifestly clear that the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the FBI participated in a fraud on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) in order to surveil Carter Page, a U.S. citizen. The FBI and the DOJ deliberately and intentionally advanced unverified opposition research paid for by one political party (the Democratic National Committee) designed to harm the opposing party by creating a fictional Russian collusion story as reliable fact. All this took place in the midst of a U.S. presidential election.
FISA Memo Released and Fraud on the FISA Court Revealed | American Center for Law and Justice"

2. Mueller did not say that the president was guilty of obstruction, he did not recommend indictment, he documented close calls and said he couldn't "exonerate" the president, which is NOT his job. Mueller either indicts or does not indict. Not indicting means "innocent of".

The Democrats are playing word games. No one can be exonerated unless they are indicted first. If you aren't charged or indicted, you are innocent by default. Mueller deliberately used "exonerated" so Democrats could play this game.

he used that term because there was plenty of evidence that the President could have been indicted for, IF HE WERE NOT a sitting president. He was passing it on to the Congress, the only means there is to do any kind of reprimand, for his illegal or wrong doings, that the Constitution gives us.

1000 ex prosecutors and AG's, both Republican and Democratic, said the evidence that Mueller collected on President Trump's obstruction of justice presented in the Mueller report, would have resulted in an indictment for any human being walking this earth... except the president, because the DOJ has a rule, that says the sitting President can NOT be indicted for his CRIMES.

Remember, a criminal indictment does not mean they are guilty... the person being charged criminally, is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

 

[basquebromance]

Trump wants to betray the country he took an oath to protect just to win an election. he doesn't give a shit.

 

[Thinker101]

There's nothing perfectly legal about hiring a firm to invent dirt and then use it to illegally spy on political opponents.......and then use it to try to overthrow a presidency just because you lost.

No one hired a firm to CREATE dirt. They hired a firm to investigate a candidate, which is used by all politicians, every single one of them... and they even hire people to do opposition research on themselves, to find out what their competition is going to find out about themselves. GPS was hired by the Washington Free Beacon, to do opposition research on Candidate Trump, who is a Conservative news source...

They did as much research as they could on Donald Trump, with his dealings in the USA, but kept hitting dead ends in the USA, all roads on Trump and his Business doings, lead to Russia.... the Free Beacon then stopped this oppo research because Candidate Trump, had won the Primary... The Wash Free Beacon was doing this opposition research on behalf of another Republican Candidate.

GPS was then hired by the DNC and the Clinton campaign, through the Law Firm that handled ALL OF THE DNC and Clinton campaign Legal issues.... if anyone running as a Democratic candidate in any race, including local, and federal senators, legislators, congress critters... if they had a campaign legal question, they went to this law firm handling their account for an answer or to see if it was legal... like if Russians approached them to give them help in their election run, all of the candidates would have run it by the law firm, to see if it was legal.... (UNLIKE what Donny Junior did....he sought no legal advice at all....when the Russian gvt approached him with dirt on Hillary.)

this firm was paid millions to handle the DNC and Clinton campaign accounts.... Clinton Campaign was a NEW account, but this firm had been the DNC's law firm for YEARS prior to this election in 2016.

In Congressional hearings, with Fusion GPS Glenn Simpson, it came out that Christopher Steele was paid around $150,000 by them, for the investigation in to Trump's Russian ties... they hired Steele because he had previous expertise in Russia.

Steele gathered information from his research and compiled some field notes of what he was being told or found out.

He never said they were true or factual, they were simply what he was finding out, or that was being said.... and that these field notes, later labeled by the press, The Dossier, needed to be investigated to find out the facts/evidence in support of, or deniable evidence... he said the job was too big, for him alone to do...

some of the information he came across was very disturbing and fishy, so he turned it over to the FBI....and then to McCain because he felt the FBI was not doing anything or taking it seriously, as any human being with a sense of ethics would.

--------------------------

When Steele was hired by Fusion GPS/ DNC/Clinton Campaign for opposition research, Trump had just won the primary a couple of weeks earlier...

All polling said Clinton had a LOCK on winning the presidency against him.... something like a 90% chance of her winning against candidate Trump.

NO ONE NEEDED to fabricate some opposition research against Trump in order to win or as a safety net... Steele's investigation began months before we even knew the Russians had stolen the DNC emails and released them, via wikileaks on July 22, 2016, a couple of days before the DNC convention.

Personally I think your logic and your judgement is highly questionable.

No, actually it is your logic and your judgement, that is conspiracy and insensible.... it makes no sense, at all!

And when it comes to interference in elections....it's clear that the media is the guilty of this.

The media, got Donald Trump elected, giving him coverage 24/7 during the campaign, while giving none to Hillary, other than email email emails private server private server private server, FBI Comey announcement, FBI comey reopening the investigation. Even Bernie got more coverage from the Media, than Hillary.

What I think is you believe everything the media tells you and you assume that everything Trump does is illegal.
You're just not levelheaded.

What I think is that you believe everything Trump and FOX News tells you about their made up accusations and made up out of thin air conspiracy theories that absolutely make no sense.... a rewriting of history and actually facts.

Is it possible that Carter Page, after he left the campaign, FISA warrant could have been done unfairly on him...? Sure it is possible.... and the IG is investigating it, and we will find out.

But this has NOTHING at all to do with the FBI beginning their investigation of the Trump campaign for witting or unwitting workings with the Russians who were illegally trying to influence our presidential election. The Mueller report shows 140 contacts between the Russians and the Trump campaign, during the period.

Trump lied, and said there were NONE, Trump also lied and said their were no business deals in the workings.... when he was working a Trump Moscow deal, up until the moment he won.

He also lied about the Trump tower meeting with his son, Kushner, and Manafort to get dirt on Hillary

Lying is a consciousness of guilt...

When HRC paid about 3 million to GPS it was in order "to receive a thing of value".
No spinning. No bullshit. No brainer!
Had HRC won the election no one would have ever heard about GPS.

Gosh, ya'll are just filled with bull shat!

I just looked it up.

Perkins Cole paid GPS $1 million for the opposition research and expenses for the so called dossier, NOT $3 million or the $12 million claimed by Trump, and the precise amount Christopher Steele was paid, was $168,000.

The Trump-Russia dossier cost $168,000, not $12 million, like president claimed

And it’s so not fair. Hillary didn’t even get to keep the information. Because fusion turned it over to the FBI. Because that’s what the law says they were supposed to do and they did.

Trump said he wouldn’t do that. But he’s already an unindicted co-conspirator in multiple Felonies. So what’s a few more?

Of course the FBI got a copy of the dossier, they were in on it dumbass.

 

[RealDave]

There's nothing perfectly legal about hiring a firm to invent dirt and then use it to illegally spy on political opponents.......and then use it to try to overthrow a presidency just because you lost.

Personally I think your logic and your judgement is highly questionable.

And when it comes to interference in elections....it's clear that the media is the guilty of this.

What I think is you believe everything the media tells you and you assume that everything Trump does is illegal.
You're just not levelheaded.

No one invented anything. The Clinton campaign hired a opposition research firm. They sent a guy to Russia to see what Trump was doing in Russia. This dossier was not used to get the FISA warrant to find out why a Trump campaign advisor was speaking to the Russians.

Investigate your asses off. While you are at it, investigate why Trump lied about his campaign's Russian contacts, why he lied about his business dealings in Russia, and lied about the Trump Tower meeting.

1. Yes the unverified dossier was used to get a FISA warrant against Carter Page, who was NOT charged with anything. Stay tuned, FBI indictments coming
2. Trump's activities were investigated by Mueller and NO COLLUSION, NO OBSTRUCTION was the outcome.
3. It's Barr's turn at bat, he and Durham, Huber, and Horowitz should have a few more indictments than the Mueller Investigation.

Wow. Just fucking Wow. Mueller did not say no obstruction. How fucking stupid are you.
The dossier was not used to get a warrant. Carter got picked up on a wire tap on a suspected Russian operative.

Like I say, investigate all you want. Can't wait until they turn up collusion evidence.

1. Yes the dossier was used to illegally get a FISA warrant
"With the release of the House Intelligence Committee Memo, it is manifestly clear that the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the FBI participated in a fraud on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) in order to surveil Carter Page, a U.S. citizen. The FBI and the DOJ deliberately and intentionally advanced unverified opposition research paid for by one political party (the Democratic National Committee) designed to harm the opposing party by creating a fictional Russian collusion story as reliable fact. All this took place in the midst of a U.S. presidential election.
FISA Memo Released and Fraud on the FISA Court Revealed | American Center for Law and Justice"

2. Mueller did not say that the president was guilty of obstruction, he did not recommend indictment, he documented close calls and said he couldn't "exonerate" the president, which is NOT his job. Mueller either indicts or does not indict. Not indicting means "innocent of".

The Democrats are playing word games. No one can be exonerated unless they are indicted first. If you aren't charged or indicted, you are innocent by default. Mueller deliberately used "exonerated" so Democrats could play this game.

So OJ didn't do it?

The DNC and Hillary's campaign paid for dirt on Trump.
Steel went to the Russians and gave the info to the FBI.
FBI fell for fake dossier and then tried to cover it up.

All legakl.

Trump[ said he would accept foreign help & not tell the FBI.

What part of that are you too fucking stupid to get?

 

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What doesn't kill Trump makes him stronger. though he was wounded again and again, he never bleeds out.

he's been under investigation for 50 years. bring it on, Dems!