Did sin enter the world through Adam, Satan or Yahweh?

[GreatestIam]

Very little thought is required here. Adam or sin never existed. Its a nice novel theory but has the validity of pure air.

It never happened.

Most know that sin, crime and evil are synonyms.

How do you define sin and do you not see crimes or evils being done?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

God created free will for humans.

Does Yahweh not negate free will every time he murders someone who wants to live?

Scriptures are clear that Yahweh does not offer or allow free will.

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DL

 

[james bond]

Does Yahweh not negate free will every time he murders someone who wants to live?

Scriptures are clear that Yahweh does not offer or allow free will.

Regards
DL

Clearly, the Bible states God gave humans free will. Thus, they are free to commit sin and evil. There is great temptation for humans (Satan?), but that doesn't mean its sin. It's only sin if one does it.

 

[GreatestIam]

I don't worry about your false portrayal of God. Eventually you will bow the knee and confess that Jesus is the Christ. You should change your ways before you come to the realization that what you profess now is not what you wanted before coming to the earth.

Thanks for your accusation, without evidence, pathetic piece of moral garbage.

Stupid people think of Jesus as the Christ.

Tell us where or when in scriptures Jesus is anointed Christ by his people.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Clearly, the Bible states God gave humans free will. Thus, they are free to commit sin and evil. There is great temptation for humans (Satan?), but that doesn't mean its sin. It's only sin if one does it.

More fucking lies. Is that all you have?

Try reading your filthy bible.

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Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.



Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

What is your choice of those two options?

Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

Regards
DL

 

[Slade3200]

There is No Sin in God.

Sin entered the world through Free Will. God creates all sentient beings with Free Will.

The First sin was EGO, and committed by Satan,
Then Envy and Covetousness committed by Satan
Then Lies, Slander and Rebellion committed by Satan.

Satan was given a chance to repent, but chose to take 1/3rd of the angels with him that he was able to corrupt to establish a rival kingdom to The Kingdom of God.

What we see on Earth is that Rival Kingdom as he became The Lord of this Earth when he was able to Usurp The Crown of Adam, and Adam's Throne in The Garden of Eden. Man was meant to live forever if he did not sin, but since he did sin, The Wages of Sin are death and therefore Sin and Death, and Sickness, Hatred, Strife, War, Murder and all sin entered in to The World when man chose The Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil, vs being Obedient and being allowed to eat of The Tree of Life.

Then through Satan once called Lucifer, who was Once The Covering Cherub over The Throne of God, Adam and Eve were corrupted and Sin entered The World.

Fear Not, though for The 2nd Adam has won both The Crown of Adam and Deed of The Earth back during his crucifixion, death burial and resurrection, and further more, The Holy One of Israel, The Prince of Peace, Emmanuel, The Messiah, Jesus The Christ, took back The Keys of Hell and defeated Death during his descent to Hell and Resurrection.

Now, this transfer of power does not fully occur until Jesus Christ Opens the Great Scroll, that Title Deed to Earth, when he breaks The Seals on The Scroll in The Book of Revelations and releases the 21 Judgments contained with in it, and once the Last Judgment Falls, Jesus comes to Claim his Lordship and Property over The Earth.

He Returns to defeat The Armies of Earth and Judge The Anti-Christ, The False Prophet and their followers, and cast everyone in to Hell, He will take his Place on Adam's Throne as The Second Adam, rule for 1,000 years, and then Satan will be released on Probation, to see who will allow themselves to be deceived by Satan and Who still has Rebellion in their Genetic Spiritual Line, and then The Final Judgment, and then Eternity, & Worlds without End in a Restored Earth and Restored Universe that will be perfect in it's design an machinations.

If there is no sin in God does that mean God is not all knowing?

 

[GreatestIam]

You mean all the epic tales that begin with the slaughter of children?

God breathed stories? I don't think they happened. I think they are grandiose Jewish stories.

Which had Jews reject the immoral Yahweh but that Christians somehow saw as good and moral.

Satan has Christians by the balls.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Free will, so Adam had a choice to make and he made the wrong choice

I like that you recognize the story as a myth.

How do you see a wrong choice, when he would not have ever reproduced if he would have chose differently?

He and we would also not know good from evil.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

It is a figurative story. A metaphor.

True, but it has been used by Christians to oppress women and gays forever and should be discredited as much as possible.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Didn't god make everything in the universe?

IDK.

It was not on the news.

If some god did, he would not deny Adam the knowledge of knowing him. Right?

Adam would have to recognise good and evil to label Yahweh good. Right?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Clearly, the Bible states God gave humans free will. Thus, they are free to commit sin and evil. There is great temptation for humans (Satan?), but that doesn't mean its sin. It's only sin if one does it.

The bible is clear with many examples that we do not have free will. Read your bible for the first time.
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Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.



Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

What is your choice of those two options?

Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

Regards
DL

 

[james bond]

More fucking lies. Is that all you have?

Try reading your filthy bible.

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Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.



Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

What is your choice of those two options?

Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

Regards
DL

Wow, you wrote a page on your WRONG beliefs.

I shouldn't say your beliefs are wrong even if they are. I found there is a word for it -- SINISTER.

It means to be on the left of the person. For example, oculus sinister means the LEFT eye.

>>What do you think is the truth?<<

Truth is truth. It is telling it like it is. Today, Jesus came to save us is the truth.

 

[GreatestIam]

Wow, you wrote a page on your WRONG beliefs.

I shouldn't say your beliefs are wrong even if they are. I found there is a word for it -- SINISTER.

It means to be on the left of the person. For example, oculus sinister means the LEFT eye.

>>What do you think is the truth?<<

Truth is truth. It is telling it like it is. Today, Jesus came to save us is the truth.

More lies.

Let's debate your immoral position, or are you juat another moral coward?

On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

Regards
DL

 

[james bond]

On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

Jesus died for all humans, but only those who believe in him will be saved. That's logical. I'm not sure what your moral way is. Is it human consensus on what is considered moral?

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Adam's sin not only disobeyed God's one rule, i.e. he lost God (God cannot be with sin so he left the universe), committed evil, and lost dominion over Earth to Satan. Satan became "god of the world and prince of the power of the air."

There was no way to make up for original sin until the way was provided by God the father.

Anyway, the rest is your beliefs sound like the antiChrist or not the chosen one and can be ignored.

 

[surada]

Clearly, the Bible states God gave humans free will. Thus, they are free to commit sin and evil. There is great temptation for humans (Satan?), but that doesn't mean its sin. It's only sin if one does it.

Jesus died for all humans, but only those who believe in him will be saved. That's logical. I'm not sure what your moral way is. Is it human consensus on what is considered moral?


Adam's sin not only disobeyed God's one rule, i.e. he lost God (God cannot be with sin so he left the universe), committed evil, and lost dominion over Earth to Satan. Satan became "god of the world and prince of the power of the air."

There was no way to make up for original sin until the way was provided by God the father.

Anyway, the rest is your beliefs sound like the antiChrist or not the chosen one.

Most traditional Christians think the story of Adam and Eve is about the transition from hunter/gatherers to agriculture.. The sin of Adam and Eve was to stop trusting in God's providence and beginning to plant and harvest.

Consider for a moment that Cain's offering of vegetables wasn't pleasing or good enough compared to Abel's meats and game.

 

[surada]

Jesus died for all humans, but only those who believe in him will be saved. That's logical. I'm not sure what your moral way is. Is it human consensus on what is considered moral?


Adam's sin not only disobeyed God's one rule, i.e. he lost God (God cannot be with sin so he left the universe), committed evil, and lost dominion over Earth to Satan. Satan became "god of the world and prince of the power of the air."

There was no way to make up for original sin until the way was provided by God the father.

Anyway, the rest is your beliefs sound like the antiChrist or not the chosen one and can be ignored.

Jesus never mentioned original sin.. It wasn't doctrine until 300 AD.. and even now Jews, Muslims and Orthodox Catholics don't buy into it.

The whole notion makes the children accountable for the sins of the fathers.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I didn't see anyone mentioning Demiurge, the God of the Old Testament that created the physical world.

 

[GreatestIam]

There was no way to make up for original sin until the way was provided by God the father.

There are a lot of errors in what you put, but if you cannot recognize an error in your thinking on an obvious one, there is no point in my correcting and explaining your other errors.

Your bible says that to correct is a high form of expressing love.

If I am wrong in my correction, please correct me.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

That is why you sing that Adam's sin is a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

Did you not know that of your religion?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Jesus died for all humans, but only those who believe in him will be saved.

Correct.

Your bible also shows that all will be believers, --- so you trying to make one set of souls to be more valuable to a universalist god is not correct.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Note the word "all", as befits the owner of all souls as they are all of equal value.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

I'm not sure what your moral way is. Is it human consensus on what is considered moral?

It is the way of using logos instead of mythos to seek the truth of things with Gnosis.

Meditation and free thinking and more of the Jesus/Eastern mystic Jesus that Eastern Orthodoxy favors.

We use the scriptures imbedded in the following explanation.
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Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and “I am”, represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.



Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.



The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.

Regards
DL