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Which is why my question about whether or not a business would close their doors if taxpayers said no to subsidizing their costs was avoided. Amazon was told no but they moved there anyway.
Initially, they were moving to New York with 50,000 jobs, then I've seen 25,000 jobs.
This is their latest announcement which was in December of last year.
"Amazon announced that it would nevertheless expand operations in New York, adding 1,500 jobs and 335,000 square feet of office space."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...er-all-did-it-really-need-public-investments/
For New York, that's a drop in the bucket.
If I recall correctly, Amazon is expanding in NYC anyway. Turns out they really wanted access to their talented and educated population.There was no 25 thousand jobs. All the same, see above. The point is you support socialism for corporations.
If that's the case, which you have yet to prove, the company wouldn't have gotten all the incentives. The creation of 25,000 net new jobs, by 2028, were part of the conditions.
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Now they decided to go to northern VA, NY gets little or nothing.
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Less than a year after abandoning HQ2 in New York City, Amazon says it's opening a new 1,500-employee office in NYC
That's not 25,000 jobs like before, is it?
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No I’m saying the increase in taxes for a Medicare for all plan specifically would save consumers money. The slight increase in taxes would be offset greatly from the savings in medical costs per year.Are you trying to say that taxes don't eat up a paycheck ?The only one proposing taxing the middle class is Bernie’s Medicare for all plan which would ultimately save the middle class money and businesses money because one would not have to worry about the cost of co-pays, deductibles, and monthly premiums eating up their paychecks.Republicans do nothing for the middle class but Democrats will tax the shit out of them. How is that helping them.Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?
Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.
How can one possibly justify GOP policy?
Amazon is hiring 1500 now. I don’t think it should be a race to the bottom of who can bribe corporations the most. I applaud states for sticking up for their citizens and stopping the cycle of what is little better than extortion.If I recall correctly, Amazon is expanding in NYC anyway. Turns out they really wanted access to their talented and educated population.Amazon wanted cash.
New York State had also promised a $505 million capital grant to reimburse Amazon for the costs associated with building its office space.
This is what Amazon’s ‘HQ2’ was going to cost New York taxpayers
Taxpayers should not be on the hook for building a company's offices. Again, you are fine with socialism as long as it is going to billion dollar corporations.
Would Amazon closed their doors if all cities said "No" build your own buildings and pay taxes like everyone else?
So tell the class, how much it will cost NY for not having those 25,000 new high paying jobs?
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There was no 25 thousand jobs. All the same, see above. The point is you support socialism for corporations.
If that's the case, which you have yet to prove, the company wouldn't have gotten all the incentives. The creation of 25,000 net new jobs, by 2028, were part of the conditions.
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Now they decided to go to northern VA, NY gets little or nothing.
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So just so we are clear, you think that democrats want to end border security altogether? That’s just stupid lol. No democrat is saying that.Who, exactly, wants “open borders?” That’s just some non sense you say because someone tells you how stupid the wall idea is.The only one proposing taxing the middle class is Bernie’s Medicare for all plan which would ultimately save the middle class money and businesses money because one would not have to worry about the cost of co-pays, deductibles, and monthly premiums eating up their paychecks.Republicans do nothing for the middle class but Democrats will tax the shit out of them. How is that helping them.
What you're forgetting are all the illegals to get free healthcare because of open borders.
Then you're forgetting that the hospitals would all close, so who would get any healthcare?
Fact check: Delaney’s debate claim that ‘Medicare For All’ will shutter hospitals goes overboard
For Christ sake, you need to pay attention.
2020 Democrats all have the same immigration position: Open borders
Just because people point out how retarded the idea of a border wall is does not somehow mean they don’t want any border security.So just so we are clear, you think that democrats want to end border security altogether? That’s just stupid lol. No democrat is saying that.Who, exactly, wants “open borders?” That’s just some non sense you say because someone tells you how stupid the wall idea is.The only one proposing taxing the middle class is Bernie’s Medicare for all plan which would ultimately save the middle class money and businesses money because one would not have to worry about the cost of co-pays, deductibles, and monthly premiums eating up their paychecks.
What you're forgetting are all the illegals to get free healthcare because of open borders.
Then you're forgetting that the hospitals would all close, so who would get any healthcare?
Fact check: Delaney’s debate claim that ‘Medicare For All’ will shutter hospitals goes overboard
For Christ sake, you need to pay attention.
2020 Democrats all have the same immigration position: Open borders
Every Democratic is saying that.
If you don't know that, then you dont know anything.
You should be simply dismissed.
Just because people point out how retarded the idea of a border wall is does not somehow mean they don’t want any border security.So just so we are clear, you think that democrats want to end border security altogether? That’s just stupid lol. No democrat is saying that.Who, exactly, wants “open borders?” That’s just some non sense you say because someone tells you how stupid the wall idea is.What you're forgetting are all the illegals to get free healthcare because of open borders.
Then you're forgetting that the hospitals would all close, so who would get any healthcare?
Fact check: Delaney’s debate claim that ‘Medicare For All’ will shutter hospitals goes overboard
For Christ sake, you need to pay attention.
2020 Democrats all have the same immigration position: Open borders
Every Democratic is saying that.
If you don't know that, then you dont know anything.
You should be simply dismissed.
Trump has used the whole republican economic growth playbook and failed. Gdp growth is slowing and we have trillion dollar deficits,Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?
Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.
How can one possibly justify GOP policy?
Just because people point out how retarded the idea of a border wall is does not somehow mean they don’t want any border security.So just so we are clear, you think that democrats want to end border security altogether? That’s just stupid lol. No democrat is saying that.Who, exactly, wants “open borders?” That’s just some non sense you say because someone tells you how stupid the wall idea is.What you're forgetting are all the illegals to get free healthcare because of open borders.
Then you're forgetting that the hospitals would all close, so who would get any healthcare?
Fact check: Delaney’s debate claim that ‘Medicare For All’ will shutter hospitals goes overboard
For Christ sake, you need to pay attention.
2020 Democrats all have the same immigration position: Open borders
Every Democratic is saying that.
If you don't know that, then you dont know anything.
You should be simply dismissed.
Anyone who is not calling for SPENDING CUTS is not serious about the problem....
The 25,000 number was some number that they said may happen in the future. Still could happen, they just aren't getting taxpayers money to do.
It's really sad. You support taking money from taxpayers to give it to the richest guy in the world but condemn doing to the same so that people can access basic health care.
If I recall correctly, Amazon is expanding in NYC anyway. Turns out they really wanted access to their talented and educated population.If that's the case, which you have yet to prove, the company wouldn't have gotten all the incentives. The creation of 25,000 net new jobs, by 2028, were part of the conditions.
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Now they decided to go to northern VA, NY gets little or nothing.
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Less than a year after abandoning HQ2 in New York City, Amazon says it's opening a new 1,500-employee office in NYC
That's not 25,000 jobs like before, is it?
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It never was before either.
Amazon Was Never Going to Create 25,000 Jobs in Queens
Now that Governor Amazon Cuomo is grovelling for Amazon to come back to New York, it’s important to remember that the original sin of the “HQ2” deal is still true: Amazon was never going to bring 25,000 jobs to Long Island City.
That might surprise people, particularly since that number and its related economic activity have been the central arguments used to defend the deal. But to be clear, Amazon never actually promised to bring 25,000 jobs. Period. Go look for it.
Supporters point out that Amazon would get the full package of tax incentives, which are available to any company, only if it created the 25,000 jobs. That's absolutely true, but it proves the point. It shows that Amazon didn't need or really want the job incentives. Instead, it played off our failed economic development policies to get what it actually wanted.
What Amazon did care about, what it wanted more than anything, and what it would have gotten in the deal was a shiny new East River campus quickly, quietly, and cheaply.
Just because people point out how retarded the idea of a border wall is does not somehow mean they don’t want any border security.
You’re a moron if you think illegal immigration can be eliminated completely. It’s been declining for over a decade. It’s not some crisis just because it still happens and Trump told you to shit your pants over it.Just because people point out how retarded the idea of a border wall is does not somehow mean they don’t want any border security.So just so we are clear, you think that democrats want to end border security altogether? That’s just stupid lol. No democrat is saying that.Who, exactly, wants “open borders?” That’s just some non sense you say because someone tells you how stupid the wall idea is.
For Christ sake, you need to pay attention.
2020 Democrats all have the same immigration position: Open borders
Every Democratic is saying that.
If you don't know that, then you dont know anything.
You should be simply dismissed.
Yep, having all the illegals pinky promise to return to their own country sounds like a great solution...dumbass.
You’re a moron if you think illegal immigration can be eliminated completely. It’s been declining for over a decade. It’s not some crisis just because it still happens and Trump told you to shit your pants over it.Just because people point out how retarded the idea of a border wall is does not somehow mean they don’t want any border security.So just so we are clear, you think that democrats want to end border security altogether? That’s just stupid lol. No democrat is saying that.For Christ sake, you need to pay attention.
2020 Democrats all have the same immigration position: Open borders
Every Democratic is saying that.
If you don't know that, then you dont know anything.
You should be simply dismissed.
Yep, having all the illegals pinky promise to return to their own country sounds like a great solution...dumbass.
Let’s say we miraculously did that. Then what? How would that better the country? Be specific.You’re a moron if you think illegal immigration can be eliminated completely. It’s been declining for over a decade. It’s not some crisis just because it still happens and Trump told you to shit your pants over it.Just because people point out how retarded the idea of a border wall is does not somehow mean they don’t want any border security.So just so we are clear, you think that democrats want to end border security altogether? That’s just stupid lol. No democrat is saying that.
Every Democratic is saying that.
If you don't know that, then you dont know anything.
You should be simply dismissed.
Yep, having all the illegals pinky promise to return to their own country sounds like a great solution...dumbass.
Not looking for it to be eliminated completely dumbass, I'd be fine with cutting it by 80%.
Let’s say we miraculously did that. Then what? How would that better the country? Be specific.You’re a moron if you think illegal immigration can be eliminated completely. It’s been declining for over a decade. It’s not some crisis just because it still happens and Trump told you to shit your pants over it.Just because people point out how retarded the idea of a border wall is does not somehow mean they don’t want any border security.Every Democratic is saying that.
If you don't know that, then you dont know anything.
You should be simply dismissed.
Yep, having all the illegals pinky promise to return to their own country sounds like a great solution...dumbass.
Not looking for it to be eliminated completely dumbass, I'd be fine with cutting it by 80%.
Lol um okay then state it if it is so obvious.Let’s say we miraculously did that. Then what? How would that better the country? Be specific.You’re a moron if you think illegal immigration can be eliminated completely. It’s been declining for over a decade. It’s not some crisis just because it still happens and Trump told you to shit your pants over it.Just because people point out how retarded the idea of a border wall is does not somehow mean they don’t want any border security.
Yep, having all the illegals pinky promise to return to their own country sounds like a great solution...dumbass.
Not looking for it to be eliminated completely dumbass, I'd be fine with cutting it by 80%.
You've got to be kidding, you can't figure that one out?
Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89BLol um okay then state it if it is so obvious.Let’s say we miraculously did that. Then what? How would that better the country? Be specific.You’re a moron if you think illegal immigration can be eliminated completely. It’s been declining for over a decade. It’s not some crisis just because it still happens and Trump told you to shit your pants over it.Yep, having all the illegals pinky promise to return to their own country sounds like a great solution...dumbass.
Not looking for it to be eliminated completely dumbass, I'd be fine with cutting it by 80%.
You've got to be kidding, you can't figure that one out?
