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Yes. Fully investigate.She just said it should be in her post...I'm not a conservative, and yes I believe the allegation should be investigated. I assume you still believe it should not?It should be investigated. Here is what I said when KAV went through this...
No. What I am saying is that victims of sexual assault can either report the crime or not. In terms of an outside observer judging it's severity, If you wait 35 minutes, you have credibility. If you wait 35 days, you have less credibility. If you wait 35 weeks, you have even less credibility. If you wait 35 months, you have still less. And I would argue that if you wait 35 years, you have zero credibility.Are you saying that victims of sexual assault have to either speak up within a certain time or forever hold their peace? You do realize sexual assault doesn't involve wedding vows?
Strange how conservatives trashed Ford’s allegations because of their age but readily accept Reade’s.
It should be investigated the same as any allegation of a crime, same as Kavanaugh.
The idea that “all women must be believed” removes it from that, and presupposes guilt and innocence.
The idea that “all women must be believed” removes it from that, and presupposes guilt and innocence.
You have to presuppose innocence. It is the way our justice system works: innocent until proven guilty. Not all countries are like that. I think it is a very important distinction.The idea that “all women must be believed” removes it from that, and presupposes guilt and innocence.
And you are presupposing innocence before any evidence is laid to bear. I myself don't think one phone call to Larry King is enough evidence, and the rightists on this board are presupposing guilt. Both you and they are doing the exact same thing and for the same reason. Presupposition spits in the face of actual justice.
None of you are blameless. None. Of. You.
Why does she need to?Perhaps I missed it but I have been looking for Sec. of State Hillary Clinton making this sort of a statement now that VP Joe Biden is in the crosshairs.
Hillary to Sexual Assault Victims: "You Have The Right To Be Heard, You Have The Right To Be Believed"
Posted on September 14, 2015
Hillary Clinton: Women Should Be Believed When They Claim Rape; "Have To Increase Prevention"
At a press conference held Monday in Cedar Falls, Iowa, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton addressed sexual assault on campus and how women should to respond to an attack. "There is a big divide between survivors who do not want to seek the criminal justice system for different...www.realclearpolitics.com
You have to presuppose innocence. It is the way our justice system works: innocent until proven guilty. Not all countries are like that. I think it is a very important distinction.
And I disagree it spits in the face of justice. Justice is taking the evidence and determining guilt or innocence through a jury system.
But you have to start from a base, either one is innocent and must prove guilt or one is guilty and must prove innocence.
What other base is there?
Biden is going to have to address this, one way or the other. Democrats aren't as tribal as Republicans, and the DNC knows it and knows this could keep people home in November.
I think that is hard to answer.
Men of a different generation and background can be more physically demonstrative than what is tolerated today. Is that sexual harassment? To a degree I think it has put many men in an intolerable position.
1. Behavior that was once socially ok isnt anymore and men are being judged on the behavior of yesterday by the standards of today (and by that I don’t mean rape and assault).
2. The other thing is the importance of human contact. Men must weigh every natural physical impulse to hug, touch a shoulder, comfort, in the framework of “is this sexual harassment”. I think that is a little sad, and it not only applies to women, but to kids. How will a teacher‘s natural desire to comfort a student going I be viewed?
We, and I will say it’s the libs on this, have put men in a bind. They have forced men to have to prove their innocence instead of tbe other way round.
We have gone from slut shaming women who speak up to requiring no more than an unsubstantiated allegation as proof with the “believe all women”. Where is the sane middle in this?
I agree with CandyCorn on this, the more time passes...the less I find it credible, especially when it involves a change of story. We will have to see what comes up in actual evidence.
That's not what i see. What i see is a bunch of my liberal friends already saying they are not voting for him in November.TDS morons are falling all over themselves to let Biden off the hook for this.
First as first in this year you mean right. I mean everybody in the world knows clinton was the first rapist president ever,Biden seems to want to continue the tradition of the democrats that Clinton got started thoughHopeful Biden, the first rapist presidential candidate of the democrat party.
And if he wins, he will be following the Republican rapist in office.Hopeful Biden, the first rapist presidential candidate of the democrat party.
Yeah how could anyone overlook clintonSo...does that mean you are condemning Trump too? How about Clinton?Perhaps Old Joe should threaten to sue all his accusers like the Groper-in-Chief did.What happened to believe all women?
The inconsistencies of Reade's story don't matter to the Trump dirty tricksters responsible for her ramping up the allegation over what she said originally. Their goal was always to get the allegation in the air supply as a way to negate the allegations against President Pussygrabber. It's a classic Karl Rove type move.
I am not a trump supporter in the least,you already know that,but to be fair,where is the evidence trump was,I have not seen. Any of it as of yet since he has been in officeA lawsuit is evidence of nothing, dingbat. Anyone can file a lawsuit for any reason.Then you certainly can not be talking about Trump.Name one in this forum.That's not what i see. What i see is a bunch of my liberal friends already saying they are not voting for him in November.TDS morons are falling all over themselves to let Biden off the hook for this.
For myself, if it comes down to him or Trump in the end, I will vote for Biden over Trump. There is no conceivable alternate candidate. When the right claims outrage...they need to realize that their own candidate is flawed in the sexual behavior department so is no moral high road.
I am viewing this as another Trump-Clinton choice. Our country may not survive another 4 years of Trump rule with our democratic institutions and values intact. Biden is boring and politically close to the center. Is that cynical? You bet. But I am seeing it as the devil’s choice and I will be keeping a close eye on the VP.
What do you mean no high-ground?
I am quite certain that someone who does not sexually harass women indeed, has a moral high-ground.
Just few posts ago you were reminding us about the role of evidence.
Now you claim president Trump has sexually harassed someone, with zero evidence.
I am using the same arguments you are using on Biden. Unlike Biden though, Trump has cases in court, for example this one: Trump lawyers ask for halt in suit from woman alleging rape. So...zero evidence? It has not been thrown out of court. Let’s see what happens in court, though like the Biden case, this too was 30 years ago.
This is why people have stopped playing your stupid games. Again, the accuser has filed a police report, it's not just a baseless accusation. Biden will be dragged through mud, he will be lucky if he can't recall where he is.
Anyone can file a police report, there is no evidence required. Let’s see where it goes.
Indeed,that example is night and day than with clintons, it’s documented and been proven the clintons were rapists,there were Arkansas state troopers who put their lives on the line and were willing to go to congress and testify to that,a mere lawsuit is not proof.
You would know,that’s what you are an expert at,pot meet kettleIt's the daily mail.
What's next? National Enquirer?
Ad Hominem - Attacking the person making the argument, rather than the argument itself, when the attack on the person is completely irrelevant to the argument the person is making
That is a point. I would like to see her take a lie detector test too.It's the daily mail.
Clip of Biden sex accuser's mother phoning into Larry King emerges
A 1993 clip has emerged alleging to show former Joe Biden staffer Tara Reade's mother Jeanette Altimus calling into Larry King about the former Vice President's alleged sexual assault of her daughter.www.dailymail.co.uk
And low and behold CNN has removed THIS EPISODE from the play store online so wtf. Is CNN literally trying to hide evidence that this woman is telling the truth? All other episodes are for sale but this one is missing.....
Up until this point I have said that I didn't believe this woman because who waits 30 years to make an accusation right? Well here is corroboration of the incident from 27 years ago. Evidence that CNN was apparently trying to scrub.
What's next? National Enquirer?
Perhaps Old Joe should threaten to sue all his accusers like the Groper-in-Chief did.
The inconsistencies of Reade's story don't matter to the Trump dirty tricksters responsible for her ramping up the allegation over what she said originally. Their goal was always to get the allegation in the air supply as a way to negate the allegations against President Pussygrabber. It's a classic Karl Rove type move.
Did she file assault charges in the 90’s? No.You all like to ignore the facts with Ford... Nothing she ever said could be backed up with any one confirming her stories. IN fact even her closest friend said she NEVER did this with Kavenaugh and doesn't remember anything like this ever happening. Ford never told anyone and was very veg on any critical details that a rape victim would see crystal clear.It should be investigated. Here is what I said when KAV went through this...
No. What I am saying is that victims of sexual assault can either report the crime or not. In terms of an outside observer judging it's severity, If you wait 35 minutes, you have credibility. If you wait 35 days, you have less credibility. If you wait 35 weeks, you have even less credibility. If you wait 35 months, you have still less. And I would argue that if you wait 35 years, you have zero credibility.Are you saying that victims of sexual assault have to either speak up within a certain time or forever hold their peace? You do realize sexual assault doesn't involve wedding vows?
Strange how conservatives trashed Ford’s allegations because of their age but readily accept Reade’s.
Bidens accuser has friends and family she told. Her facts are verifiable and witnesses corroborate her facts. Now we have taped evidence that she did indeed tell her mother and her mother called in to see what she could do for her.
Biden is in deep shit now. There is solid evidence that this did occur and witnesses are cooberating the story. I hope her complaint to the ethics committee, just after it occurred, appears soon, that would be the nail in the coffin for Joe. As I understand it a case number was generated but for some reason the supporting documentation, that would be required to grant a case number, is now missing. Curious things are happening...
Does something that wasn’t assault in the 90’s become assault 27 years later? No.
